How many people would buy an S4 Avant in the US

[JetBlue]

Assuming they would only bring the DSG? There is probably not enough demand to justify bringing both transmissions and the DSG would far outsell the 6 spd in the US. So would you still want it if only DSG was available. This is the decision that Audi USA is trying to figure out.

[fatbrembos]

have to say, i absolutly hate DSG but a avant is a avant, if they were to bring the b8 s4 avant to the US even though its dsg i would probably buy one but simply because its a an avant but DSG is a big NONO

[najjar22]

have to say, i absolutly hate DSG but a avant is a avant, if they were to bring the b8 s4 avant to the US even though its dsg i would probably buy one but simply because its a an avant but DSG is a big NONO

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[Eteled]

x3

Whats the alternative - A6 avant with tiptronic.

DSG is better then an auto, but not a manual. Why can't Audi USA offer both or let custom orders for the manual. We shouldn't have to compromise!

[sevenstarz]

I would buy an S4 Avant with DSG tomorrow.

Peace

[Ray Khan]

Yes avant, No DSG

[Rabbit222]

I hated DSG until i bought my S4 in DSG....its just so damn quick, its scary!

[Machupo]

I prefer manual transmissions, but I already own an S6 avant, so I've shown which is more important to me :)


I would buy a new S-series Avant in a heartbeat.

[Twowheelsgood]

I've got an S4 (DSG) on order but would have opted for an S-Avant if one were available. My goal with the S4 was to have a practical car for everyday use that's fun to drive. The Avant would be even more practical with no loss of fun. Maybe even a little gain-of-fun. Aren't some wagons structurally stiffer than comparable sedans by virtue of their shoe box perimeters?

[DucatiSim]

Just my opinon, but I think station wagons are ugly. Not sure why Eurpoeans like them so much.

[NWS4Guy]

Just my opinon, but I think station wagons are ugly. Not sure why Eurpoeans like them so much.

Totally agree. And to answer the OP - not enough. Hence the decision NOT to bring them over anymore. A handful of rabid followers doesn't mean it will make financial sense for them.

[mercury26]

Definitive, YES on an S4 Avant. A definitive, NO if only with DSG.

I am getting rid of my current car because I really dislike owning an Automatic transmission. It is a GTI with DSG, however you slice it is an Auto. No third pedal, makes it an Auto. I canNOT stand driving an Auto. Is my point coming across? :)

Since the engine and 6sp MT transmission are already federalized, I do not see a reason why they would not offer both. But then again if you applied my logic, I would be driving an A4 Avant with 6sp MT today.

Audi is on my sh*t list right now. There product planning and offering has alienated a long standing VW / Audi loyalist. I special ordered a German wagon with AWD and 6sp MT from the only company that still offers them, BMW.

Cheers,

Chuck

[mercury26]

Just my opinon, but I think station wagons are ugly. Not sure why Eurpoeans like them so much.

Yup, just your opinion.

Cheers,

Chuck

[Dr GP]

No Avant, DEFINITELY no DSG

[joshthedoc]

I had a '07 S4 Avant tiptronic and I loved it. I could fit my surfboards and bikes in it, and destroy just about anybody on the road. If there was an S4 Avant available I would be first on the list. Just got a 2010 S4 (with DSG I might add). I hope I can manage.

[jonnyz1245]

much prefer a 6 speed...

Looking to replace my 05 allroad with another similar wagon.

I was talking to my dealer rep at the PDX auto show a couple weeks ago and he said he had heard talk that Audi usa is considering bringing the S4 Avant to the US. Lets hope its true. I will be pulling the trigger about a year from now so hope they bring it 2011

[Cingulus]

I would be down for the Avant S4. I love my A3, but need more power and would love AWD.

Shaun

[xtrema]

As nice as avant is, I won't buy one.

[Silververtu]

I would trade in mine current Avant for the new S4 avant, doesn't matter what transmission I will get.

[A4Ber]

Damn...I will go trade in mine right now...shit...

[RS4Fiend]

B8 S4 avant is a B8 S4 avant. where do i sign?

[MiracleWhips]

I'm in.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j24/plutoloko1/clintonhitit7be.jpg

[bmacf]

I would definitely trade in my 2001 S4 Avant for a 2011 S4 Avant with DSG. My current S4 is an awesome car and it's time to replace it with something newer.

[rmrc]

Just discussed this with my Stasis rep yesterday. I'd write the check today.

[02rubya4]

Just my opinon, but I think station wagons are ugly. Not sure why Eurpoeans like them so much.

they like them because they have the same amount of space as a decent sized suv without the large gas bill. last time i was in switzerland in comparison gas was ~5.70 a gallon, i dont blame them.


and on topic, i would get an s4 avant, if i could afford it and if it was the main family car.

[Iheart1980]

Bring it! I would buy a DSG Avant.

[Alkivar]

when my passat wagon dies... S4 Avant would be my preferred choice for a replacement.

[dpn]

I would love to buy a B8 S4 but ONLY if it was a MT. No automatics for me.

[Phillyb7s4]

100% buy it

[quicksilver_S]

Does anybody know how much will an s4 avant be in the US? I would trade my B5 S4 avant for a B8 S4 DSG avant anytime. DSG will be much better than the tip i have right now. DSG has come a long way from being 'automatics'

[ause0008]

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X3 Not to judge, but I dont get the whole avant thing. Also, I love the insane speed of my DSG in my S4, plus in S mode it is instantly in the gear I want when I want it now that it has adapted to my driving style!

[HobbesA5]

Since the engine and 6sp MT transmission are already federalized, I do not see a reason why they would not offer both.
It doesn't work that way. For every combination of engine, transmission and vehicle Audi brings to the U.S. they have to undergo a separate (expensive) certification process. Even though the S4 sedan is certified for both DSG and manual transmissions, they would have to certify both versions of any Avant they brought over.

[cory_can]

Absolutely....I would trade my B8 A4 Avant in for an S4 Avant if it was offered in NA.


Just my opinon, but I think station wagons are ugly. Not sure why Eurpoeans like them so much.

I feel the same way about sedans......they look like every other car on the road.

.....for all of the S4 Avant lovers in NA, there may be hope.

Have a look at this thread:
"North America come and get your RS6 and RS4 Avant" (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?344437-North-America-come-and-get-your-RS6-and-RS4-Avant%21%21)

Currently Horchaus is only bringing over RS6/RS4 Avants but I would assume he may be able to extend this to B8 S4 Avants pretty soon.

[D's Avant]

I would purchase a S4 Avant in a heartbeat with a MT as my #1 option, DSG I guess.

[JetBlue]

Absolutely....I would trade my B8 A4 Avant in for an S4 Avant if it was offered in NA.



I feel the same way about sedans......they look like every other car on the road.

.....for all of the S4 Avant lovers in NA, there may be hope.

Have a look at this thread:
"North America come and get your RS6 and RS4 Avant" (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?344437-North-America-come-and-get-your-RS6-and-RS4-Avant%21%21)

Currently Horchaus is only bringing over RS6/RS4 Avants but I would assume he may be able to extend this to B8 S4 Avants pretty soon.

Has anyone confirmed this yet? If this is really true I may be down for selling my M3 and my A4 for an RS6.

BTW, I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see another 6 spd S4 Avant. There is simply not enough demand for them to go through the cost of federalizing them. My understanding is that at least two and possibly four must be crash tested on top of all the other tests required. When you think about the fact that they cannot sell even a couple of hundred per year the economics do not work out. Now if you add the 6 spd buyers to the people that would buy a DSG car they could probably sell around 800-1000 per year which might make more financial sense. The problem for Audi is that 6 spd buyers will not settle for anything buy a 6 spd.[headbang]

[cory_can]

here is the thread that started it all and there is considerably more discussion about the possibility....

http://forums.quattroworld.com/rs4b7/msgs/24077.phtml

[SoCalS4Avant]

I'd be in for ANY S4 Avant.

Keeping the fingers crossed that Audi sees the light.

[SoCalS4Avant]

BTW - where are you getting your info Jet? Are they really considering it, or is it just one Avant lover's pipe dream?

[SWAG ON]

Yes, if I didn't already buy my 2010 a4 avant [headbang]

[Dimcorner]

I wouldn't mind a Avant S4 in DSG. The A6 avant is just straight automatic right?

[L0U]

avant in usa.....I guess that means keep them out of canada.

[i_eat_staples]

i would give it serious consideration

[fatbrembos]

NO DSG PERIOD

no to the avant? what? crazy

[bryzf1]

I'd sell my RS4 and buy one if they offered it in a 6spd... wouldn't sell it for the DSG

[JetBlue]

BTW - where are you getting your info Jet? Are they really considering it, or is it just one Avant lover's pipe dream?

Just a pipe dream and my quest to get people to understand that we will probably never see another 6 spd S or RS avant. If a majority of those people were open to buying a DSG car we might have a shot at getting the S4 here...

[riegeraudi]

Just a pipe dream and my quest to get people to understand that we will probably never see another 6 spd S or RS avant. If a majority of those people were open to buying a DSG car we might have a shot at getting the S4 here...

We are having similiar discussion in the S4 avant in Singapore thread and the main reason it looks like Audi is not selling the Avant in North America is not really low demand but profit margin. The fellow has probably the only S4 manual Avant available in Singapore, so obviously there is no demand for the wagon over there either but he got one because he paid a very high price for it. I think Audi is not selling the Avant in North America because the profit margin is small and the S4 market is already being represented by the S4 sedan.

[Raz5219]

I would definitely buy an Avant. I actually think the A4/S4 looks better as an avant than a sedan. I'm not a fan of the Sedan's stubby rear. The avant takes care of that problem.

[SoCalS4Avant]

We are having similiar discussion in the S4 avant in Singapore thread and the main reason it looks like Audi is not selling the Avant in North America is not really low demand but profit margin. The fellow has probably the only S4 manual Avant available in Singapore, so obviously there is no demand for the wagon over there either but he got one because he paid a very high price for it. I think Audi is not selling the Avant in North America because the profit margin is small and the S4 market is already being represented by the S4 sedan.

Funny you say that. That's almost word-for-word the answer I got from AOA. They stated that they were focusing in on the sedan reprsenting the S4 here in the US. Essentially I was told - f-u Avant lovers! lol

[MMIXR8]

I would have purchased an S4 Avant instead of the sedan, but I'm unlikely to trade my 2010 S4 in for a 2011 S4 Avant.

I am looking for a new car for my wife though, and I'd love and S6 Avant for her!

[audiboi]

Thing is, for those of you that demand to have an S4 Avant in Manual transmission nonetheless or overall, some of you got an A4 Avant, some of you got an S4 sedan, some of you got a Q5, or another Audi product. The rest bought a competitive make. So in the end, for all of you that demand an S4 Avant, without the option, most, still bought an Audi. To lose 150 to 300 customers a year and save on federalizing the car and dealer floorplan / trucking / incentives / all the other costs associated with getting the right car to the right buyer, it doesn't make financial sense to offer it at all.

[SoCalS4Avant]

I haven't bought anything. I'm holding out hope!

[zee007]

To lose 150 to 300 customers a year and save on federalizing the car and dealer floorplan / trucking / incentives / all the other costs associated with getting the right car to the right buyer, it doesn't make financial sense to offer it at all.

I gotta say - I disagree. Yes, there are costs associated, but ulimately, they are passed on to the consumer. Otherwise, Audi wouldn't be in business. The fact is, they make the vehicles already, and already market, service and support them in many countries and economies across the Globe. To add NA to the list would come at a price - granted. However, chances are, those who really want the vehicle would stump up the extra cash to buy it. Take any vehicle (like the RS4 or R8 as examples) where they are "exclusive" which adds a premium. And the bottom line is - there was a demand for the vehicle which helped Audi up the prices and bring the vehicle to this side of the pond.

I'd have an S4 Avant tomorrow (alongside the S5) if they released it - and truth be told, I'm rather disappointed with the big wigs at AoA for not releasing one over here...

[HJK]

no. don't like station wagons :P :D

[riegeraudi]

The question is if Audi wanted say $20k more for the Avant than the sedan to make up for the cost and lack of sales how many would actually purchase the Avant instead of the sedan. The Sedan might also have to be raised also because the Avant sales would eat into the sedan sales. This is probably the reason AoA is not offering the Avant.

[audiboi]

I gotta say - I disagree. Yes, there are costs associated, but ulimately, they are passed on to the consumer. Otherwise, Audi wouldn't be in business. The fact is, they make the vehicles already, and already market, service and support them in many countries and economies across the Globe. To add NA to the list would come at a price - granted. However, chances are, those who really want the vehicle would stump up the extra cash to buy it. Take any vehicle (like the RS4 or R8 as examples) where they are "exclusive" which adds a premium. And the bottom line is - there was a demand for the vehicle which helped Audi up the prices and bring the vehicle to this side of the pond.

Not all costs are passed on to the customer and manufacturers don't always make money on every carline they sell. A lot of times manufacturers will lose money on cars in order to improve the brand image. Think RS cars and R8. In return, the general public has a higher opinion of Audi and Audi would sell more A4 sedans because of it. Toyota did the same thing with the Lexus LS for the first several years of production when the brand was emerging in the early 90s, in order to create a luxury brand out of air. Additionally, the US market gets cars way cheaper than other markets such as the UK, and with exchange rates the way they are, there is very little margin on the importer side... All of this and unfortunately in the US, wagons aren't that highly thought of.

Believe me, if my RS was offered in Avant form, I would have jumped all over it, and if I could have found an S4 Avant when I leased my sedan, I would have taken that too. But, I am one of a few hundred people who would prefer an Audi Sport Avant over a Sedan in the US, and that's just the way it is.

[riegeraudi]

Funny you say that. That's almost word-for-word the answer I got from AOA. They stated that they were focusing in on the sedan reprsenting the S4 here in the US. Essentially I was told - f-u Avant lovers! lol

I was reading the other thread and was wondering exactly why Audi would sell one in Singapore and none in North America. The reason most likely that the Avant doesn't have to do a separate testing/registration different to the sedan, and as long as a customer is willing to pay then it is a simple cut me the check and we will deliver your avant. While in North America AoA most likely would have to test another model and register it with the government etc. For AoA this is a lot of extra work and administration and more hires at head office just to sell a couple of cars that they would not really make money on. Not to mention would eat into the sedan sales which would make the sedan line less profitable or actually raise the cost of the sedan if they can't sell their target volume because the Avant eating into the sedan sales.

[DetailersDomain]

i would love to have one for sure.

[bmesS4]

I would buy one even if we could only get DSG.

[VAstyle]

I don't understand the difference. The cars are all made in the same factory right? Why can't they just freaking ship them over if it's ordered? I'd buy and S4 avant DSG tomorrow if I could. I'm thinking about getting an A6 Avant DSG. Same engine, but way bigger. Priced very similar as well.

[Warren S]

I would seriously consider an S4 Avant, with DSG. But I'll understand AoA not bringing it over due to the lack of market demand here in the U.S.

[Jack Foulard]

I would buy a B8 S4 avant. The q5 is not an option for me. If its not available here in the next few years, then I will not end up driving an Audi.

Competing with oneself is not a bad idea-it gived the customer 2 options ( having S4 avant and say a Q5-since Audi seems to think that they will shove everyone into a Q5 somehow). Not me. Thanks

[Kerby]

Just got back from Europe, I went to the Audi dealership in London, the big one off the highway near Heathrow...

I'm telling you right now, if the S4 Avant was in the US today, I would've bought it yesterday!

[SoCalS4Avant]

^ Pics or it didn't happen! [:D].

I know what you're saying, though.

[CLOUT]

I'd sell my RS4 and buy one if they offered it in a 6spd... wouldn't sell it for the DSG

+1

[Compulsive]

I would buy a B8 S4 Avant yesterday in either DSG or 6spd manual.

[imolafem]

I would buy the S4 Avant DSG in a heartbeat!

[sillyboy]

100%. I would trade in the RS4 tomorrow for one, and mod the F*^& out of that S/C Engine....