H&R sport or super sport springs

[DUBSPORTN]

Let me start with a statement or a promise to myself. I am a long time VW owner and modding everything on the car is still in my blood. I purchased my S4 as a retirement from that, by promising myself not to heavily mod my S4. With that said everytime I walk up to the car I say "damm I'm riding high."
I dont want to put coils, but I havent put just springs on a car since I was 17LOL
Anyone here put on H&R sport or super sport springs on the S4, for reference sport springs lower 1.5 and super sport lower 2.0 inches. Experiences and pics welcom.

Thanks for helping me try to fight the modding bug
-Antonio

my car
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff312/dubsportn/022-1.jpg

[S4-Tommy]

Yes i put the Sport Springs on my S4 Avant. But I removed them because they lowered 2,5 inches and therefore it rubbed.

[HyperM3]

First off, your car looks great with the "Hollow Wheels", havent seen them on a car before.

Secondly, its never really recommended to change JUST springs and staying with stock shocks. The OEM shocks are designed for the OEM springs and when you change that, the valving doesnt work well and you can wear them out much quicker. If youre going to do springs, you should do new shocks that match with them as well. They dont have to be coilovers but at least rated for the same spring rate.

Me, Im hoping Hotchkiss comes out with some sways for the car.

[L0U]

Yes i put the Sport Springs on my S4 Avant. But I removed them because they lowered 2,5 inches and therefore it rubbed.

It's pretty amature that a company would sell stuff that doesn't work. Just goes to show how slapped together kits can be, and that the same spring is used for many applications...even when it doesn't fit right. More testing is needed from the h&r...rookies.

[haulin oats]

I ordered sport springs. I feel that the back end would be too low with the super sports (an additional .5" lower than the sport).

I should have them in a couple weeks.

Steve

[S4-Tommy]

It's pretty amature that a company would sell stuff that doesn't work. Just goes to show how slapped together kits can be, and that the same spring is used for many applications...even when it doesn't fit right. More testing is needed from the h&r...rookies.

So it is...

The S4 is too heavy for the springs therefore they lower too much. The springs are for cars with an axle load of 1100 kg and above. The S4 has 1185 kg on his front axle. Maybe the springs work on lighter cars as the 3,2 FSI or the 3,0 TDI...on the S4 they don't.

[zee007]

Worth considering Eibach springs - not a huge drop, and are manufactuired to the highest standards (TUV). Stasis use them for their coilovers, and my delaership is happy to fit them and still stand by warranty (they wouldn't even consider H&R which I think is saying something)....

[Relentless]

I'm hestitant about getting suspension for my s4, just because I know the audi adjusts the suspension while your driving... how do the aftermarket companies compensate for this?

[DUBSPORTN]

I ordered sport springs. I feel that the back end would be too low with the super sports (an additional .5" lower than the sport).

I should have them in a couple weeks.

Steve

Post some pics and experience when you get them, I am in no rush to do anything if I have to coils then so be it. Wouldn't be the 1st time with coils on a VAG car

[S4-Tommy]

Herr u are. Some pics with H&R 30/30, right after installation.
You can see that they are much lower than OEM S line. A few weeks after installation they went down for another 1 cm.

http://www.audi4ever.at/fdb/pics/5622_42243347a1150ec44f9414678d71ad7e.jpg

http://www.audi4ever.at/fdb/pics/5622_06d8523de0b46d79e3507ec4d03e20a6.jpg

http://www.audi4ever.at/fdb/pics/5622_3074b9055dabb4ac250fcbebfc419a31.jpg

[Rabbit222]

Looks damn hot though dude!

I was about to post and ask the same question about H&R lowering springs. The S4 is definitely too high in stock form and needs to go lower...Having had coilovers on my ex S3 it would make sense to go the same route but i'm not in the mood of forking out $$$ for that just yet.

[DUBSPORTN]

Looks damn hot though dude!

I was about to post and ask the same question about H&R lowering springs. The S4 is definitely too high in stock form and needs to go lower...Having had coilovers on my ex S3 it would make sense to go the same route but i'm not in the mood of forking out $$$ for that just yet.

I hear a mixed bag so far early adapters to suspensions had issues with springs rushed out and people with s4 sedans using a4 avant springs to compensate for the weight. S4tommy perhaps your advant is heavier than than the sedan, but seeing is believing. I like the drop in your pictures but no more than that and if they went lower it will rub as you discribed. Hopefully Oats gets his springs fast and we see how they look on a sedan.

[S-Fore]

I thought that Bilstein used Eibach Springs and Stasis used Hypercoil. I may be wrong though.

Worth considering Eibach springs - not a huge drop, and are manufactuired to the highest standards (TUV). Stasis use them for their coilovers, and my delaership is happy to fit them and still stand by warranty (they wouldn't even consider H&R which I think is saying something)....

[DUBSPORTN]

I pulled the trigger on the h&r springs will have them in a few days.
I will post pics on install and 1 week later for an update

[haulin oats]

Did you get your springs installed? I am picking mine up today, but most likely won't have them installed for a week or so. What springs did you order? Sport, or Super Sport?

[ItsDubC]

That avant is money right there; I wish NA would get the S4 avant. Looks like the exact same stance as my A4 on H&R OE Sports.

[zee007]

I thought that Bilstein used Eibach Springs and Stasis used Hypercoil. I may be wrong though.

They use a combo of Eibach or Hyper coil (take a look at their white paper: http://www.stasisengineering.com/white_papers/Ohlins%20SL%20white%20paper.pdf)

- Stasis/Ohlins Steel body CCJ Dampers
- Eibach or Hypercoil Linear rate springs

[L0U]

white paper is a funny name. My white paper comes on a roll.

[DUBSPORTN]

Installed springs today, the car looks amazing and I will post pics tomorrow. Alignment is ok but the front camber is not perfect but thats to be expected with the car being lowered. I have 19s on the car and no rubbing so far I will update you guys in a week to see how much more it settles

[Relentless]

How does this affect the handling and the whole electrical system?

[DUBSPORTN]

How does this affect the handling and the whole electrical system?

I dont have dymamic ride control only sports diff

[Relentless]

I dont have dymamic ride control only sports diff

well same same but it still has some basics. like if you go into car in hte MMI you can adjust the suspension to sport mode...

[DUBSPORTN]

well same same but it still has some basics. like if you go into car in hte MMI you can adjust the suspension to sport mode...

no I cannot, I can only control the diff using the controls on the dash, I dont have the options for sport mode suspension because I dont have ads or drc. I have a prem plus.

[Relentless]

no I cannot, I can only control the diff using the controls on the dash, I dont have the options for sport mode suspension because I dont have ads or drc. I have a prem plus.

oh ok, sorry I forgot I had the prestige package. Any idea that the springs could mess with my MMI?

[DUBSPORTN]

oh ok, sorry I forgot I had the prestige package. Any idea that the springs could mess with my MMI?

I dont believe so, because the drc only corrects damping not height, but I'm not an expert on that perhaps the height will affect the damping on the shock.

[haulin oats]

lets see the pics!!!

[DUBSPORTN]

lets see the pics!!!

ok here are the pics of the car with the sport springs installed

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff312/dubsportn/029-2.jpg
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[Mick4]

Pics look great, perfect height i.m.o. How is the ride now, and in the corners are you noticing any crisper handling? Stock has too much body roll for me coming from an E46 and I'm not sure if I'm ready to invest in $3k in coilovers just yet as the Chip and exhaust will be higher on my list. I'm new to suspension modifications but would expect some degree of difference just from a lower center of gravity?

[DUBSPORTN]

Pics look great, perfect height i.m.o. How is the ride now, and in the corners are you noticing any crisper handling? Stock has too much body roll for me coming from an E46 and I'm not sure if I'm ready to invest in $3k in coilovers just yet as the Chip and exhaust will be higher on my list. I'm new to suspension modifications but would expect some degree of difference just from a lower center of gravity?

The ride is a little better than stock due to the lower center of gravity, but with coils the ride would be fantatic. I am happy with the results I did this mod for cosmetic reasons. If I was really going to do suspension work I would have installed coils, sways, and camber kits for a more racing feel to the suspension.

[hano]

Are those the sport or super sport? I'm looking to get springs for my car. Was thinking of getting the Stasis/Ohlins coilovers but they are ridiculously expensive... too much for me right now.

[Okan509]

READDDDDDDD sport springs.... goddamn. That looks great, you should get some spacers, 5mm front and 15mm rear should be perfect. What is the ET on those wheels?

[L0U]

Those are the same as the stock 19s. ET43. 5mm and 5mm is about as much as you can go. (the rear could use more, but there is nothing that works between 5 and 13mm, the 10 would be perfect if it was available)

A few have run the 43et with 5 and 5 so far.

[DUBSPORTN]

Those are the same as the stock 19s. ET43. 5mm and 5mm is about as much as you can go. (the rear could use more, but there is nothing that works between 5 and 13mm, the 10 would be perfect if it was available)

A few have run the 43et with 5 and 5 so far.

I had 5 mm all around but the vibration is too much to handle. They dont make 5mm spacers with the lip for the wheels so its hit or miss with the spacers, and I have tried like 5 times already and each time they vibrate.

[haulin oats]

Just got my sport springs installed. It's pretty low for a spring drop. There is no wheel gap on the front, and a little bit on the back. I'm hoping that it doesn't settle too much lower in the front. If they do, I will sell my Sport Springs, and get a set of OE sport. I don't want to lose drivability by being too low.

I don't have any pictures yet, I'll try to snap a couple tonight if I have time.

-Steve

[DUBSPORTN]

need some pics



Just got my sport springs installed. It's pretty low for a spring drop. There is no wheel gap on the front, and a little bit on the back. I'm hoping that it doesn't settle too much lower in the front. If they do, I will sell my Sport Springs, and get a set of OE sport. I don't want to lose drivability by being too low.

I don't have any pictures yet, I'll try to snap a couple tonight if I have time.

-Steve

[riegeraudi]

Are those the sport or super sport? I'm looking to get springs for my car. Was thinking of getting the Stasis/Ohlins coilovers but they are ridiculously expensive... too much for me right now.

Wait for Bilstein PSS9's or PSS10's they should be cheaper and they are also great coilovers. KW should also have the KW V3 out sooner or later and those are also great. I used to have shock and spring combo on my B5 and when I went to coilovers it was night and day. Better ride and handling so my recommendation would to save up for coilovers.

[madmadS4]

sorry to bring up this old thread - but does anyone have experience or pictures of the H&R 'Super Sport' springs?

[HyperM3]

sorry to bring up this old thread - but does anyone have experience or pictures of the H&R 'Super Sport' springs?

Not that Ive seen and to be honest, the drop on the Sport(not OE Sport) is more than plenty of a drop. Im rubbing every now and then with those so with the super sport(race?) springs, it will be undriveable.

[Okan509]

Not that Ive seen and to be honest, the drop on the Sport(not OE Sport) is more than plenty of a drop. Im rubbing every now and then with those so with the super sport(race?) springs, it will be undriveable.

Yeah I agree. You would have to sacrifice offset and wheel size to run the super sports without having more issues. The sports are generally very low and look great, still with you being able to push offsets to the edge as well.

[redhair1129]

DUBSPORTN car looks great with the sport spring on!!!

By the way, does anyone know could the audi drive select suspension could install aftermaket springs? such as the H&R sport spring?

[S4Tokyo]

DUBSPORTN car looks great with the sport spring on!!!

By the way, does anyone know could the audi drive select suspension could install aftermaket springs? such as the H&R sport spring?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/385005-Full-ADS-suspension-(drop)

Not sure this answers your question....yes some have done (add HR OE Springs to OEM ADS Damper). The performance of ADS seems to drop a little - I presume for Comfort only setting - but as regards effect on durability of Damper using shorter / lower Springs, it seems the jury is still out on that. Some feedback but not a lot.

[redhair1129]

Thanks, s4tokyo

[adbender]

i pulled the trigger and have decided to install h&r oe sport along with an apr exhaust this month...

From what i have read and pics i have seen...it does not seem to significantly compromise ride and looks very classy...the drop they should have done in the first place.

Spoke to the the services guys at my dealership and several reputable tuner shops....no one expressed concerns.

For guys with S5s, eo sports seem to be favoured over sport.

Will send pics and impression at the end of the month.


cant hurt to be conservative with springs...they may settle a touch.

[S4Tokyo]

Thanks, s4tokyo

Some additional Owner feedback, ALTHOUGH with A4 application and not the heavier S4 as I understand. Check post #'s 18 & 29;

http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?t=2753321

[vdubjetta02]

some of you guys are such babies about "drivability" when your hardly that low....Once you own a few slammed cars, you learn how to drive one and it no longer becomes a hassle. It becomes the way you drive

i have driven slammed cars in the winter in the rocky mountains for 5 years and never had a problem.

[CBRmatt600]

some of you guys are such babies about "drivability" when your hardly that low....Once you own a few slammed cars, you learn how to drive one and it no longer becomes a hassle. It becomes the way you drive

i have driven slammed cars in the winter in the rocky mountains for 5 years and never had a problem.

My B7 with the stock sport suspension has scraped the ground a number of times over certain bumps, speed bumps, and generally horrible road conditions. I think your average driver doesn't want to be constantly concerned about ruining their car because it sits ridiculously low.

[redhair1129]

some of you guys are such babies about "drivability" when your hardly that low....Once you own a few slammed cars, you learn how to drive one and it no longer becomes a hassle. It becomes the way you drive

i have driven slammed cars in the winter in the rocky mountains for 5 years and never had a problem.

so what's yr point?

[Seinsmeld13]

so what's yr point?

His point is that when driving a lowered car you are more aware of your surroundings ie: parking up against a curb. You get use to parking well away to avoid scrapping the front end. Now when I drive other cars i do the same. A lowered car makes you more aware of your surroundings. Last winter I drove my lowered TT and GTI without incident. That is his point. I would hate to rub this front end up against a curb, ouch that would be costly.

[Seinsmeld13]

We all agree the lowered car is a much better look. However based on my past experience lowering springs alone will shorten the life of your stock dampers. I will be going coil over which is heads and tails above lowering springs only. I suggest if you decide to go with lowering springs that you change the dampers as well with something designed for the spring such as a Koni FSD damper when they become available. You get what you pay for in life, $300 springs or $2,000 coil over there is a huge difference.

[DUBSPORTN]

i pulled the trigger and have decided to install h&r oe sport along with an apr exhaust this month...

From what i have read and pics i have seen...it does not seem to significantly compromise ride and looks very classy...the drop they should have done in the first place.

Spoke to the the services guys at my dealership and several reputable tuner shops....no one expressed concerns.

For guys with S5s, eo sports seem to be favoured over sport.

Will send pics and impression at the end of the month.


cant hurt to be conservative with springs...they may settle a touch.


I went the same way here you go! APR exhaust and sport springs

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[Voltrons_Head]

That looks terrific.

[madmadS4]

very sharp - I even like the Space Shuttle with its huge rockets blasting