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HORROR BUSINESS
01-20-2010, 05:14 PM
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb151/toomuchhorrorbusiness/goodone.gif

Is anyone else here running airride on a quattro car?
(Besides Keegan who I sold my old set up to)

I wanna know what other people are running or thinking about running, besides Bagyard.
For a long time airride was deemed impossible on the b5 quattro chassis but that is not true. There are several solutions if you know how to make them work and aren't afraid to do what it takes. [wrench]

This is a thread for discussing that subject matter.

Anyone?

LowSantorin
01-20-2010, 05:40 PM
you just sucked me back into AZ with this thread [up] [wrench]

Coopa
01-20-2010, 05:41 PM
VirginaBeachA4 is doing his iirc. "Gunch" and "Jesster" from vortex bagged their a4's. Those are just some I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there out there. More people will chime in.

Sandeman
01-20-2010, 05:50 PM
badass! one of a kind if u asked me, SUBSCRIBED, thanks

HORROR BUSINESS
01-20-2010, 06:10 PM
you just sucked me back into AZ with this thread [up] [wrench]
[wrench]


VirginaBeachA4 is doing his iirc. "Gunch" and "Jesster" from vortex bagged their a4's. Those are just some I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there out there. More people will chime in.

Yeah we were taliking through Pm's. I just gave him this link.

Gunch was running the same set-up as me and Jess has Bagyards. I've been talking to the both of them since the beginning of their air builds.

Bagyard makes a high quality product, but they are about $1300+ just for their rear struts. There is plenty of other options on the market, just not bolt on out of the box .

h4robkr123
01-20-2010, 06:52 PM
Just out of curiosity what set up were you running? It would be nice to hear what others are running other than bagyard because even though bagyard makes an awesome product it can be expensive for some, and other companies make like products for cheaper. Also what kind of fab work did it require to run this set up?

I'd love to do this this coming summer when money comes in (broke student).

GLXTACY
01-20-2010, 07:01 PM
I'm interested in this as well, i know mason tech is working on the rears for b5 quattro and they have the fronts alread. So far their fronts are cheaper then bagyards. Ive looked into both and still looking into more options as well.

h4robkr123
01-20-2010, 07:07 PM
There is a user on here who is friends with the own of mason-tech but I forgot his name. He should be able to give an update on how far they are coming along on the rear set up for the B5. He posted in the other bag thread.

the_pirate
01-20-2010, 07:10 PM
Holy balls $1300 just for the rears? I got my front and rears for $1500 through Mason Tech...I'm not quattro though, I guess thats the upsides of owning a frontRACK [:D]

GLXTACY
01-20-2010, 07:10 PM
ive been emailing mason tech the past couple of days and they are hoping for the end of february for the rears

Tifun
01-20-2010, 08:10 PM
There's another company making rears....let me find it again.

Tifun
01-20-2010, 08:13 PM
HPS. They have 3 options. We put HPS on my buddies car. They are very very nice. I think Eurojet is the only US based dealer of them. Really for the majority of us(quattro) are having the issues with the rears. So those of you who have custom built rears please post up your rear setup/build so we can grow as a community.

here's the PDF with the HPS listing.
http://www.hps-airride.com/hps_bilder/03_produkte/NEW_Application2010.pdf

Link to their main page, select English if you want to continue :P
http://www.hps-airride.com/index.html

There's about 10 guys over on vortex that have done air that I know of. I'm always lurking in their pneumatic forum. It has a ton of really good information and plenty of people who can answer any question needed. I added some of those guys to my buddy list over there, I'll shoot some a PM and see if they are willing to pop in and drop some info.

Coopa
01-20-2010, 09:41 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who creeps the air suspension section of vortex[cool]

Tifun
01-20-2010, 09:48 PM
Yeah I'm in there a lot lurking around just reading. The nice thing about those HPS is you can still get some decent handling with their baller setup.

jayraudi9
01-20-2010, 09:54 PM
Holy balls $1300 just for the rears? I got my front and rears for $1500 through Mason Tech...I'm not quattro though, I guess thats the upsides of owning a frontRACK [:D]

pmd


OP: is your sn Taj Franz on vortex?

GLXTACY
01-21-2010, 07:30 AM
I also looked into HPS and eurojet discontinued selling them anymore.

lowandslow4now
01-21-2010, 08:06 AM
I am liking this. This forum has been changing alot and I like were it is going. It is good to see more of a balance between looks and performance. I think this should be a sticky on top for information for those in the future.

GLXTACY
01-21-2010, 11:07 AM
Alright while looking through VirginiaBeachA4 air ride build thread, someone gave a link to Ksports' air ride. Now I'm new to the whole air ride but its something im trying to learn and plan on doing pretty soon. I emailed them about a price for just the bags/struts and it's a lot cheaper then most. The thing is with my lack of knowledge on this subject I dont know how their quality is.

dcampana
01-21-2010, 12:01 PM
yeah i was the one that linked the ksports. i have NO clue the quality though. i was looking at doing a bag set up, but plans have changed and i am going full sleeper.. i love the neck snap i see when i pull at the track on cars.

the bagged set up on my coupe quattra will be where i go.

Lazer Viking
01-21-2010, 12:01 PM
pmd


OP: is your sn Taj Franz on vortex?

yes, he is taj

GLXTACY
01-21-2010, 02:07 PM
Alright I have a question and hope someone can help me answer it. This is the setup that Ive been thinking about piecing the fronts together but I'm new to this and want to get everything planned out. I want to use bilstein sport struts with Universal Air "Aero Sport" bags. Is there anything else I would need to complete the setup? Would i need to fab up brackets?

edelgado
01-21-2010, 02:54 PM
The Brackets are already fab'd up by UAS, its the Front McPhearson Strut Bag Mounts([01-ST-F] is the part#). You would need to weld these on to the Strut. And of course you would need a tank, compressor, and valves.

the_pirate
01-21-2010, 03:02 PM
GLXTACY you can get front struts and bags from Mason-Tech that bolt right on.

I too like the direction AZ has been going lately...people are finally keeping an open mind around here. [up]

GLXTACY
01-21-2010, 03:40 PM
The Brackets are already fab'd up by UAS, its the Front McPhearson Strut Bag Mounts([01-ST-F] is the part#). You would need to weld these on to the Strut. And of course you would need a tank, compressor, and valves.

Awesome thanks for your help!


GLXTACY you can get front struts and bags from Mason-Tech that bolt right on.

I too like the direction AZ has been going lately...people are finally keeping an open mind around here. [up]

Yea I know, I was just comparing prices if I put them together compared to buying it complete.

Tifun
01-21-2010, 08:06 PM
Anyone have links to the Ksports? I know they make pretty decent suspension for JDM cars. My buddy has had good luck with their coilovers and they looked to be nice quality. In my head Ksport is to JDM as ST is to euro....nice stuff good price, has all the features you want, yet not quite the best product available but certainly capable of staying on the same level.

Tifun
01-21-2010, 08:08 PM
nm, found it.

http://www.ksportusa.com/asp/air_suspension_detail.asp?product_id=as01

I'm trying to get everything crammed into this thread lol. Every option, then this can be added to the B5 wiki......


Unless I am reading their listing wrong they only have suspension available for the fwd. So fronts are there for quattro folks, yet still again, no rears. Looks like a pretty legit kit for the money. Good intro setup until you realize the management is prolly one of the most important parts haha.

GLXTACY
01-21-2010, 08:33 PM
Audi A4 Quattro B5 95-01 - CAU021-AB $3,900.00

Nope its there, i also have been emailing them and they have it for quattro

Tifun
01-21-2010, 08:38 PM
I had to look at it like 5 more times haha. They have it after the B7 listing, took me a minute to actually find it. If you get info on it, see if you can get them to shoot you some pics of the actual product so we can see what $3900 looks like.

GLXTACY
01-21-2010, 08:45 PM
alright will do, they said $1400 for just the bags/struts front and rear.

Tifun
01-21-2010, 08:49 PM
Really? That is way worth it imo. I want different management and have my tank and compressor already picked out so I can hide it all out of sight and still use my trunk.

GLXTACY
01-21-2010, 08:52 PM
that was what i was thinking as well, i just didnt know about their quality or reputation. I emailed them for pictures so we'll see.

Tifun
01-21-2010, 08:57 PM
In the end a bag is a bag for the most part. The shock is my main concern at this point. Would be interested to know what brand/type of bags they do use though.

Insomniac
01-21-2010, 10:38 PM
so I can hide it all out of sight and still use my trunk.

[up][up]
That is what I would do as well. Don't really want to display the stuff unless its a complete show car or something.
My birthday is on income tax day so here's hoping for a huge return so I can buy a bday present for myself[wrench]

Tifun
01-24-2010, 08:39 PM
bump. Anything else we can add here? Mainly setups that have been custom built. You guys are hoarding your details.

sparkyvw
01-24-2010, 09:32 PM
my buddys s4 from last year that was on airride

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/stapo69/DSC00260.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/stapo69/DSC00253.jpg


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/stapo69/DSC00267-1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/stapo69/DSC00243-3.jpg

Coopa
01-24-2010, 09:47 PM
Fuck yes^
Saw this over on vortex a while ago. Was my wallpaper for a while haha

HORROR BUSINESS
01-24-2010, 11:55 PM
bump. Anything else we can add here? Mainly setups that have been custom built. You guys are hoarding your details.

I've been slacking on my own damn thread. [down]

For my rears I was using these:

http://www.airassisted.com/images/airovershock_sleeve.jpg

http://www.airassisted.com/AirOver-Shocks/c185/p620/Sleeve-Extra-Long-AirOverTM-Shock-Pair/product_info.html

A custom machined spacer was installed to aid them to bolt up. The dampening adjustment knobs were removed so that area could fit into the "mounting box" (I don't know the proper terminology here. Lol). The plate that mounts the bag to the shock body was rotated so the mounting eyelets lined up with each other.

Looked like this:
(Borrowed from Gunch)
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm90/gunchs4/Build%20Thread/0076.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm90/gunchs4/Build%20Thread/0044.jpg

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm90/gunchs4/Build%20Thread/0038-1.jpg

Here's mine mounted up:

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb151/toomuchhorrorbusiness/bags006.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb151/toomuchhorrorbusiness/bags1.jpg

Fronts:
(Aerosports on shortened struts)

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb151/toomuchhorrorbusiness/bags007.jpg


I'm working on a new version of the rears. I thought they were too bouncy for my liking and I would prefer a little more lift for when I'm running super low et's.
I'll let you know what I figure out.

Or I was thinking about hitting up HPS or Ksport and checking their stuff out, but I already have an extra set of what I used last time. ehh.

the_pirate
01-25-2010, 03:34 PM
Taj did you cut the bottom of the strut and weld it back together?

HORROR BUSINESS
01-27-2010, 07:12 PM
Yes, they were cut and about 1.5"-2" removed.

VirginiaBeachA4
02-12-2010, 01:29 PM
Taj the. Only thing I am stumped on and is keeping me from progressing is the rear strut. I don't understand exactly what you did with the airover models you had other the. The top spherical mount was rotated to be alighned with the bottom mount but what else did you do?

HORROR BUSINESS
02-12-2010, 10:38 PM
Taj the. Only thing I am stumped on and is keeping me from progressing is the rear strut. I don't understand exactly what you did with the airover models you had other the. The top spherical mount was rotated to be alighned with the bottom mount but what else did you do?

On the pic below…

See the spacer that is in between the eyelet and the plate with the fitting?

That did not come on the struts from Airlift. That piece was custom made to aid in the fitment. It is basically just a spacer so the eyelet can reach into the control arm to mount properly. If I were to do it again I'd have them made a little bit thicker and have them step down to a smaller diameter.

They don't have to be exactly the same dimensions as mine. Basically, whatever works.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm90/gunchs4/Build%20Thread/0076.jpg

VirginiaBeachA4
02-13-2010, 04:34 AM
Oh ok. I see. So the mounts I need to choose for the rears are both bushings eyelet right?

VirginiaBeachA4
02-13-2010, 04:44 AM
another thing, on suicidedoors website, they offer and extra long shock, a medium and a short. if i get the extra long one, i dont think i would need to add that spacer would i?

link:

http://www.suicidedoors.com/catalog/airover-shocks/sleeve-style

GLXTACY
02-13-2010, 07:53 AM
Well k-sport is out of the question now. They emailed me the other day saying that with quattro they wont work properly.

VirginiaBeachA4
02-13-2010, 09:14 AM
just go with the AirOver shocks that Horror posted. thats the best bet and they are only ~$500 and for fronts you can get the Uvair universal aerosports and put them over whatever strut you have now and all you have to get done is shorten the front strut and extend the rear AirOver strut.

HORROR BUSINESS
02-13-2010, 09:24 AM
another thing, on suicidedoors website, they offer and extra long shock, a medium and a short. if i get the extra long one, i dont think i would need to add that spacer would i?

link:

http://www.suicidedoors.com/catalog/airover-shocks/sleeve-style

Yeah you need the bushing style on both ends.

You need the extra long length and still need some sort of spacer so the eyelet can reach where it needs to mount in the control arm. Be prepared to trouble shoot some problems if you're going with the airover strut for the rear. Mine were a bitch to get to seal using that spacer. Also, they don't have a whole lot of lift.

If you want something that will bolt right up and be trouble free then they are not for you.

VirginiaBeachA4
02-13-2010, 09:27 AM
Yeah you need the bushing style on both ends.

You need the extra long length and still need some sort of spacer so the eyelet can reach where it needs to mount in the control arm. Be prepared to trouble shoot some problems if you're going with the airover strut for the rear. Mine were a bitch to get to seal using that spacer. Also, they don't have a whole lot of lift.

If you want something that will bolt right up and be trouble free then they are not for you.

what exactly do you mean they were a bitch to seal? can i just add a spacer to the other side?

HORROR BUSINESS
02-13-2010, 03:42 PM
It has to be air tight or your bags will leak. I machined some recesses in them for o-rings and that worked well.

Tifun
02-15-2010, 12:50 PM
Got some goodies for the build.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4359726597_984d0dffc2_b.jpg

The valves are huge, 1/2 inch so I will be putting mufflers in so I don't jump the car off the ground. From here I plan to change the tank to a different DOT one and using DOT plastic lines. All I'll need now is management and well the bags....but, this is a great start.

JEmm
02-15-2010, 12:51 PM
How heavy is that? Looks huge.

Tifun
02-15-2010, 01:05 PM
It is lol, 25lbs maybe 30. I wont be using the tank or the base. I plan to hide 100% of it. I want to still use my trunk, so the idea is that I will dismantle it and construct a new setup. Viarr pumps and easy street valves.

JEmm
02-15-2010, 01:47 PM
It is lol, 25lbs maybe 30. I wont be using the tank or the base. I plan to hide 100% of it. I want to still use my trunk, so the idea is that I will dismantle it and construct a new setup. Viarr pumps and easy street valves.

O ok. Well won't you still have to put the tank in the trunk and make a false floor? I don't know of a better place to put it...

VirginiaBeachA4
02-15-2010, 05:22 PM
Got some goodies for the build.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4359726597_984d0dffc2_b.jpg

The valves are huge, 1/2 inch so I will be putting mufflers in so I don't jump the car off the ground. From here I plan to change the tank to a different DOT one and using DOT plastic lines. All I'll need now is management and well the bags....but, this is a great start.
i went with 3/8" valves and everything else and the line will be a 1/2". i got one viair 400c and 5 gallon tanks.

Lelix
02-15-2010, 05:26 PM
Got some goodies for the build.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4359726597_984d0dffc2_b.jpg

The valves are huge, 1/2 inch so I will be putting mufflers in so I don't jump the car off the ground. From here I plan to change the tank to a different DOT one and using DOT plastic lines. All I'll need now is management and well the bags....but, this is a great start.

Looks good, what do you plan to do for the rears?

Tifun
02-15-2010, 11:38 PM
Tank is a 5gal, but that tank is either temp or wont get used. Plans are initially to use a DOT pancake tank and sit it in the spare tire well. Then run my solenoids where my CD changer sat. Then if needed build a false floor up just enough to cover. I hope to use my oem trunk carpet. I really want it to look as oem as possible and not be seen. I'm personally not a fan of showing all that crap off. It's just an ugly tank......I also will being doing everything 100% DOT approved. I want reliability so cheap China tanks wont be used unless they are DOT approved. The tank I've been looking at has 6 bungs. 4 to the lines out, 1 line in and 1 which I will split for an air chuck so I can use it for whatever....tire pressure, quick impacting for wheel change, possibly to feed air jacks down the road. Also prolly put a splitter so I can get stupid and put train horns somewhere haha. The compressors are 450c's. Should fill up pretty damn fast in all reality. I just gotta get the valves muffled down cause jumping the car off the ground might sound cool, it isn't lol, I don't want to make an adjustment and jump everytime haha.

VirginiaBeachA4
02-16-2010, 12:40 PM
Tank is a 5gal, but that tank is either temp or wont get used. Plans are initially to use a DOT pancake tank and sit it in the spare tire well. Then run my solenoids where my CD changer sat. Then if needed build a false floor up just enough to cover. I hope to use my oem trunk carpet. I really want it to look as oem as possible and not be seen. I'm personally not a fan of showing all that crap off. It's just an ugly tank......I also will being doing everything 100% DOT approved. I want reliability so cheap China tanks wont be used unless they are DOT approved. The tank I've been looking at has 6 bungs. 4 to the lines out, 1 line in and 1 which I will split for an air chuck so I can use it for whatever....tire pressure, quick impacting for wheel change, possibly to feed air jacks down the road. Also prolly put a splitter so I can get stupid and put train horns somewhere haha. The compressors are 450c's. Should fill up pretty damn fast in all reality. I just gotta get the valves muffled down cause jumping the car off the ground might sound cool, it isn't lol, I don't want to make an adjustment and jump everytime haha.

i got all my parts from suicidedoors.com, which is in IN. they have good tanks, not cheapo shit.

Tifun
02-16-2010, 01:45 PM
K, BDA has some nice options, I sent some messages over on vortex about these for the rears.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4345596358_8b185e5181_o.jpg

ridetech and suicide doors both sent me to air ride company who make some really nice stuff. Jeremy is the guy I am working with over there to come up with some other viable options. Stupid rears lol. Everyone can do and has fronts :P

VirginiaBeachA4
02-16-2010, 02:13 PM
K, BDA has some nice options, I sent some messages over on vortex about these for the rears.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4345596358_8b185e5181_o.jpg

ridetech and suicide doors both sent me to air ride company who make some really nice stuff. Jeremy is the guy I am working with over there to come up with some other viable options. Stupid rears lol. Everyone can do and has fronts :P

those are the bagyards and cost about $1300. my build is a budget build and i will be going with the AirOver shocks modified.

GLXTACY
04-27-2010, 12:09 PM
anybody else trying a new setup or anyone else have new information on possibilities?

VirginiaBeachA4
04-29-2010, 05:29 PM
anybody else trying a new setup or anyone else have new information on possibilities?

i had these made

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs484.ash1/26515_1398318683631_1402194149_31094996_901704_n.j pg
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31094998&id=1402194149
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs484.ash1/26515_1398319443650_1402194149_31094998_7720545_n. jpg
http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs484.snc3/26515_1401125513800_1402194149_31102457_3176110_n. jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs464.ash1/25514_1411736459067_1402194149_31132785_6344507_n. jpg

sold my alphards though
http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs540.snc3/30636_1430279242625_1402194149_31176002_7824425_n. jpg

and cut up the top of the wheel wells for the control arms. (looks rough, i know)
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs448.snc3/25704_1421793310482_1402194149_31155634_1397217_n. jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs468.ash1/25704_1421793870496_1402194149_31155635_6839063_n. jpg

GLXTACY
04-29-2010, 08:17 PM
so you had a spacer made? What bag/strut combo is that?

VirginiaBeachA4
04-29-2010, 08:45 PM
so you had a spacer made? What bag/strut combo is that?

Yes I did. Took like one day to make and put it in between the eyemount and top of bag just like horror business did. I'm using the same bag strut as horror did. The AirOver by airlift.