View Full Version : Stuck! I need help
snosk8tr123
11-15-2009, 11:39 PM
I really like the b8 s4, but I also love the new m-sport 335's. I need to decide asap and can't. Need some help. Here is the M-sport sedan with a few mods for reference.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=313905
Comes with that body kit and m steering wheel and other things.
fatbrembos
11-15-2009, 11:53 PM
woow, well honestly im more of a s4 fan, love the quattro, plus the new v6T, is pretty great i gotta tell you runs smooth, but its still a beast, and honestly ive never been a bmw fan, even though they are great cars, but for what you pay id go with the s4, the interior is nicer (wayyyy nicer) the look of the car is simply unique and plus no one will mistake you for a a4, but a bmw 335 still looks like a 325, so youll constantlly get the " is that a 325 or 335" and plus the interior is not nice at all
but at the end of the day your the one driving it right, im just giving a opinion
good luck
J-jizzle
11-16-2009, 12:25 AM
The S4 beat the BMW in the previous issue of Car & Driver if that helps.
akasch
11-16-2009, 01:18 AM
My personal opinion is that the S4s interior is way nicer than the 335, but not gunna lie that BMW is so sick!
dt113
11-16-2009, 02:34 AM
that 335 you showed is sick, but i think that bodykit isn't just m-sport package, its the M performace bumper, which means more expansive
sunnytks
11-16-2009, 04:15 AM
I have the same situation as you but at the end I ordered the S4. The 335 has facelifted and will changed in 2011 or 12. it seems the B8 S4 will last longer. Also, as other people said, BMW's interior is boring, I had the new X5 and I really hate the interior.
McBee
11-16-2009, 05:32 AM
If you look for performance only, 335 is very fun....but if you anxiously want not only performance..S4 is the way to go!! it got the combination of mercedes(technologies) and bmw(performmance)...
AvantB8
11-16-2009, 05:33 AM
If the money is any issue here, the decision should be easy.
To get the 335 with the options of the S4 (some of them do not exist on 335), you will pay at least $2000 extra for the Bimmer.
Base S4, which is equivalent to the 335xi + Sports Pkg + Premium + Cold, is $2k cheaper.
To get it to look the way the car in your link looks, you will be spending much more...
They are very close competitors, and performance-wise almost identical. I like the Supercharger better than the Turbos.
I like the 6MT of the Audi MUCH better than the BMW.
The steering is better on the Bimmer, IMO.
riegeraudi
11-16-2009, 05:54 AM
Alright I'll make it easy for you.
1. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325423
the link is for vwong who has both and read what he has to say comparing both.
2. New 3er coming out soon so your lovely car would look old very soon.
3. e90post.com go there and read all the problems relating to 335i problems. And there are many. This is probably your best source since this is what turned me away from the 335i.
4. S4 way better on the road than the 335i which is were you do 95% of your driving.
5. Interior S4 is the best in segment
6. HPFP failure in 335i is brutally repetitive
If you are considering that car I would rather buy the M3 honestly. Don't have as many problems and rides much better than the 335i and also on the track is much better handler. If you want the best road car than the S4 is probably just as good or if not better though because of more low end torque and better interior.
Okan509
11-16-2009, 08:43 AM
That 335 has alittle bit more than a few mods wouldn't you say? haha
Women and men admire S4s and the people who drive them!! men admire bmws, which is ok, but it doesn't help with the women coefficient. crazy, but some truth to it. My wife forbids me to buy a bmw, which really bit back in 2003...because the bmw was a nice car that year for comparison sake. Lucky for me, the b8 has raised its game, so I am not hurting with the "rules" this time around.
snosk8tr123
11-16-2009, 04:06 PM
I went and got some quotes today for lease payments. A $52000 335i vs a $48000 s4. After all negotiations, the BMW is about $125 cheaper per month, despite being a more expensive car. Is the s4 worth $125 more per month? ALSO keep in mind that BMW has the free maintenance and free brake pads, rotors, clutches, etc etc.
lease gives the edge to the bmw.
Okan509
11-16-2009, 09:11 PM
They replace the clutch? I don't think they replace the clutch if you burn it out in early miles due to your driving habits... My friend has a 335i and he had to fight with his dealer for a free clutch after like 20,000 miles.... (he must drive like shit for that to happen) but nonetheless
snosk8tr123
11-16-2009, 09:24 PM
i think i'm leaning more towards the bmw now... or taking over an m3 lease. $125/month difference is pretty significant. and especially when the bmw has a higher msrp.
Stolky
11-16-2009, 10:21 PM
I've just gone through the exact same decision process...335 M sport vs. S4. At first I was intrigued by the S4, but the BMW lease was WAY better. I was about to order the 335, then Audi greatly improved its lease deal. The Bimmer is still a bit better pound for pound in terms of the payment, but the S4 is just too enticing, for me at least, to pass up. Very comparable performance between the two, but the Audi is fresher, more unusual, and more modern. You can't go wrong with either, though. They're both an awful lot of automobile for the dough.
snosk8tr123
11-16-2009, 10:27 PM
^ya i know i'll be happy either way. both these cars are awesome.
riegeraudi
11-16-2009, 10:39 PM
Really please go to e90post.com if you haven't already and search for HPFP problems or just read the threads on starting problems etc., before you choose the 335i. If I was you I rather spend a little more and get a M3 or find one CPO. The 335i just having too many problems. Really do yourself a favor and read on e90post.com before making this decision. I can't stress this enough. Many die hard BMW fans either bought an M3 or the S4 because they didn't want to deal with the 335i HPFP problems anymore.
snosk8tr123
11-16-2009, 10:42 PM
Really please go to e90post.com if you haven't already and search for HPFP problems or just read the threads on starting problems etc., before you choose the 335i. If I was you I rather spend a little more and get a M3 or find one CPO. The 335i just having too many problems. Really do yourself a favor and read on e90post.com before making this decision. I can't stress this enough. Many die hard BMW fans either bought an M3 or the S4 because they didn't want to deal with the 335i HPFP problems anymore.
as long as it's under warranty I really don't mind.. but now I found this car and it caught my attention.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319989
I just don't know if I want a used car... or a red car haha.
Stolky
11-16-2009, 11:00 PM
Man, that thing is sweet. I've seen the coupe in person in red, the color is stunning. That looks like an awfully good deal.
As someone who as an M3, whose wife has a 335i, and who has just ordered an S4 for a replacement for my wife's 335i, I think I have a fair bit of experience with the BMW alternatives and have given a lot of thought to the S4.
To those folks who are trashing the 335i based on the HPFP issue, I respectfully suggest that you are barking up the wrong tree. The 335i is a very reliable car in general, and like all cars has some issues. Take a look at the threads concerning the suspension issues and the transmission issues for the manu-matic S4, and you will see that there are issues with Audi as well, which by the way tends to have a worse overall reputation for reliability than BMW. The S4 also is a new car, so there is still the shakeout period. The BMW forums are some of the most active car forums around, and you will find out about every problem, and it will be magnified.
Don't get me wrong -- love the S4, as is evidenced by the fact that we ordered it.
Now, as far as comparison is concerned, as other posts I have made indicate, the 335i is a very sweet car, but in my view the main issues that I have with it are the lack of a spare tire, the somewhat harsh ride caused by the run flat tires and associated suspension configuration, and the more "stark" interior. But it is a hell of a car, and if I were a bit more price sensitive, I would go for one with a sport suspension in a heartbeat, particularly given the lease and financing deals and the discounting available (real pricing is lower for the BMW, regardless of list price comparisons). It has great grunt, sharp handling, is quite reliable and is a lot of fun. As I was ok with a few actual dollars more, the S4 is quite a fun ride, nicer interior, and has regular tires with a spare.
As for the M3, if you can get over the MPG (there is no other way to say it but that it is lousy), it is simply a superior ride. It is a wonderful combination of very compliant as a daily driver -- it can be driven quite calmly, and is wonderful that way -- with a beast of a machine that has quick steering, a great suspension, and plenty of acceleration. So the red M3 lease takeover (that is a hell of a deal if it is real) is pretty darn attractive if you don't mind a short term experience and getting a slightly used car. There also are still some new 2009 M3s around that have some decent discounts available.
Net net: If payment is main issue, go with the 335i -- great car. If you have a little more cash and want regular tires with a spare and a bit more pizzaz, get the S4. If you are after the best small sedan/coupe/four seat convertible currently on the market and can deal with paying through the nose for gas, get the M3.
fatbrembos
11-17-2009, 02:26 AM
the m3 in red looks pretty nice to say the truth, but i think im gonna have to stick with the s4
Okan509
11-17-2009, 06:33 AM
Ah! I could never not do black interior... but to each his own, love the red hoewever. So the m 335i comes with that rear spoiler stock? that thing looks mean as fuck
snosk8tr123
11-17-2009, 09:43 AM
As someone who as an M3, whose wife has a 335i, and who has just ordered an S4 for a replacement for my wife's 335i, I think I have a fair bit of experience with the BMW alternatives and have given a lot of thought to the S4.
To those folks who are trashing the 335i based on the HPFP issue, I respectfully suggest that you are barking up the wrong tree. The 335i is a very reliable car in general, and like all cars has some issues. Take a look at the threads concerning the suspension issues and the transmission issues for the manu-matic S4, and you will see that there are issues with Audi as well, which by the way tends to have a worse overall reputation for reliability than BMW. The S4 also is a new car, so there is still the shakeout period. The BMW forums are some of the most active car forums around, and you will find out about every problem, and it will be magnified.
Don't get me wrong -- love the S4, as is evidenced by the fact that we ordered it.
Now, as far as comparison is concerned, as other posts I have made indicate, the 335i is a very sweet car, but in my view the main issues that I have with it are the lack of a spare tire, the somewhat harsh ride caused by the run flat tires and associated suspension configuration, and the more "stark" interior. But it is a hell of a car, and if I were a bit more price sensitive, I would go for one with a sport suspension in a heartbeat, particularly given the lease and financing deals and the discounting available (real pricing is lower for the BMW, regardless of list price comparisons). It has great grunt, sharp handling, is quite reliable and is a lot of fun. As I was ok with a few actual dollars more, the S4 is quite a fun ride, nicer interior, and has regular tires with a spare.
As for the M3, if you can get over the MPG (there is no other way to say it but that it is lousy), it is simply a superior ride. It is a wonderful combination of very compliant as a daily driver -- it can be driven quite calmly, and is wonderful that way -- with a beast of a machine that has quick steering, a great suspension, and plenty of acceleration. So the red M3 lease takeover (that is a hell of a deal if it is real) is pretty darn attractive if you don't mind a short term experience and getting a slightly used car. There also are still some new 2009 M3s around that have some decent discounts available.
Net net: If payment is main issue, go with the 335i -- great car. If you have a little more cash and want regular tires with a spare and a bit more pizzaz, get the S4. If you are after the best small sedan/coupe/four seat convertible currently on the market and can deal with paying through the nose for gas, get the M3.
I looked at the spare for the s4. It has one of those donut things that can only go so far and has like a 40 or 50mph speed limit. So I guess it's not that much of an improvement from run flats. My A4 had a full spare of the titanium package rim. All cars should come like that!!
snosk8tr123
11-17-2009, 09:44 AM
Ah! I could never not do black interior... but to each his own, love the red hoewever. So the m 335i comes with that rear spoiler stock? that thing looks mean as fuck
No that trunk was added
riegeraudi
11-17-2009, 11:46 AM
I looked at the spare for the s4. It has one of those donut things that can only go so far and has like a 40 or 50mph speed limit. So I guess it's not that much of an improvement from run flats. My A4 had a full spare of the titanium package rim. All cars should come like that!!
If you drive your car on trips than the donut spare S4 is definitely a huge improvement over the runflats. Imagine you get a flat on the highway and the nearest town is fairly small. You think they will have runflats in the 335i size? Probably not. Then you will have to waste some money on a temporary tire and hope that one doesn't blow or you will definitely be stuck somewhere.But if you stay in the city then not a issue at all. Of course the full size would be the best.
snosk8tr123
11-17-2009, 12:58 PM
^true. I would go aftermarket within a few months on either car anyways
AvantB8
11-17-2009, 05:52 PM
I looked at the spare for the s4. It has one of those donut things that can only go so far and has like a 40 or 50mph speed limit. So I guess it's not that much of an improvement from run flats. My A4 had a full spare of the titanium package rim. All cars should come like that!!
You have not had a car with the RFTs, right?
I owned an E90 for 4.5 years -- a great car. Had no issues with it, except the RFTs -- horrible! I had 31k miles on the car when I sold it, third set of the RFTs -- each tire was $400 to replace. THe comfort was terrible. The noise was so bad that I could not talk on the phone at 60+ mph.
So, having NO RFTs is an improvement, donut or matched spare...
snosk8tr123
11-17-2009, 06:29 PM
You have not had a car with the RFTs, right?
I owned an E90 for 4.5 years -- a great car. Had no issues with it, except the RFTs -- horrible! I had 31k miles on the car when I sold it, third set of the RFTs -- each tire was $400 to replace. THe comfort was terrible. The noise was so bad that I could not talk on the phone at 60+ mph.
So, having NO RFTs is an improvement, donut or matched spare...
Ya i know, my sister and my dad drive bmw's, so i definately know how bad RFT can be.