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clconversion
01-06-2005, 07:02 AM
Ok i just recieved my K04 kit in tha mail last night but now I am thinking about also getting the J31 file put in when I send the computer out But what I need to know is which FMIC is going to be the best one to get and what size injectors will i need to work best btw I have a 3000 A4 ATW DBW

Thanks in advance

4ingDrive
01-06-2005, 07:11 AM
Damn a 3000 A4? Does it fly?

clconversion
01-06-2005, 07:12 AM
haha sorry my bad 2000

OutkastSL
01-06-2005, 09:00 AM
don't know exact which one is better but i've heard good reviews on the spp fmic, evoms fmic, and atp fmic. the evoms is pricey at $1200, so i'm leaning towards the spp and atp.

http://www.evoms.com/a%20main%20frames.htm

http://www.atpturbo.com/

http://www.supremepowerparts.com/

Burntaudi
01-06-2005, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by OutkastSL
don't know exact which one is better but i've heard good reviews on the spp fmic, evoms fmic, and atp fmic. the evoms is pricey at $1200, so i'm leaning towards the spp and atp.

http://www.evoms.com/a%20main%20frames.htm

http://www.atpturbo.com/

http://www.supremepowerparts.com/

ATP doesn't even make a fitment for Audi A4...if they do it's not listed on their site.
If you decide to use the SPP beware that you have to cut a big chunck out of your subframe to make it fit...if plan to ever go back to stock to sell the car the subframe will have to be replaced.
EVOMS is a bolt on deal very minor triming to make it fit and it will fit behind a stock bumper. Thats what I have it was worth spending the extra money....you get what you pay for.

OutkastSL
01-06-2005, 09:50 AM
i didn't know that about the spp, thanks for that info. atp has a kit but you have to call them, i think it's $900-1000.

clconversion
01-06-2005, 10:18 AM
I'm being told by one supplier that Neuspeed is making one that will fit have you guys heard anything about this one ?

brettuzzi
01-06-2005, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by clconversion
I'm being told by one supplier that Neuspeed is making one that will fit have you guys heard anything about this one ?

Judging by previous encounters, stories, etc... I would say that Neuspeed is the tuner equivalent of a Toyota Corolla... great reliability, fairly cheap.. just doesn't have a whole lot of zing.

Their chip for my engine gives me 30hp. GIAC gives me 45hp. Sure GIAC is more expensive... and technically neuspeed has more bang for the buck... but would you really rather have a neuspeed chip?



I would strongly argue that if they made a FMIC, until they proved otherwise, it would follow the same "neuspeed" standard of cheap, little bit of performance, but not the best.

clconversion
01-06-2005, 11:12 AM
Yes I can agree with you that the Neuspeed chip arn't the greatest but they make pretty good exhaust quiet ones which that is what i'm looking for I hate loud exhaust and for the FMIC I don't see how they could screw that up I don't know of anyone having one but I think they are pretty new on the market

Monchichi8
01-06-2005, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by OutkastSL
don't know exact which one is better but i've heard good reviews on the spp fmic, evoms fmic, and atp fmic. the evoms is pricey at $1200, so i'm leaning towards the spp and atp.

http://www.evoms.com/a%20main%20frames.htm

http://www.atpturbo.com/

http://www.supremepowerparts.com/

tHANKS for posting that EVOMS link.....Screw the KO4 kit...that T-28 kit looks way better! Never seen their site.

clconversion
01-06-2005, 11:35 AM
yea but look at the price of that thing its crazy

94jedi
01-06-2005, 11:52 AM
for just under 2k the ATP Stg 2 seems intriguing. I'm wondering why I don't here more about this kit if it's such a good deal though.

OutkastSL
01-06-2005, 12:01 PM
yeah...it's a lot cheaper than i thought, but it's only a gt28/t25 turbo. i'd rather spend the extra $400 for the gt28rs turbo kit. i would like to do this but not sure what software to run and if the tip tranny can handle it or not, probably not.

94jedi
01-06-2005, 12:36 PM
I wonder how the gt28 compare to the K04???The PES t-28 is not the same as the gt28 from the ATP kit is it?

OutkastSL
01-06-2005, 01:45 PM
i'm not totally sure, but i think the housing is similar for the pes vs atp, but internally it's different.

Burntaudi
01-06-2005, 02:29 PM
Be warned the ATP kit is really not the bolt on that it apears to be. You need to do some fabrication to make it fit and you also need to pull out your AC compressor, Their manifold is also a poor design it makes the turbo sit way to far forward in the engine compartment. Did I mention that their software sucks also....you pretty much need to custom tune it....good luck youv'e been warned.

Crisqo
01-06-2005, 07:15 PM
Ho'w Greddy one?
Anyone try>?

Burntaudi
01-06-2005, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Crisqo
Ho'w Greddy one?
Anyone try>?
The intercooler it's self is fairly nice...but if you install it acording to the way that Greedy designed you need to cut about 2/3rd's of your bumper support out.

clconversion
01-07-2005, 06:29 AM
can u just take the bumper support right out is that a option or no ?

Burntaudi
01-07-2005, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by clconversion
can u just take the bumper support right out is that a option or no ?

Not really the bumper support is part of what the bumper cover attachs too. Personnally I wouldn't wanna hack mine up either what do you think is taking most of the impact in case of a front end collision. We all hope we don't get in a accident....but that's why it's called a accident.

IndieRockSteve
01-07-2005, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by 94jedi
I wonder how the gt28 compare to the K04???The PES t-28 is not the same as the gt28 from the ATP kit is it?

They're the same, the GT28RS has a more aggressive pitch and blade design, but the T28 and GT28 are the same, just marketing for when Garrett wanted to try and get back into the tuner market.

MKGIY
01-07-2005, 11:31 AM
Actually the T28 and Gt28 are nto the same. The T28 is a sleeve bearing turbo while the Gt28 is a ball bearing turbo. The GT28RS is a dual ball bearing turbo.

Mike

TomRitt18944
01-10-2005, 02:29 PM
I have atp's gt28rs kit, and Its a good bang for the buck but be prepare its not plug and play.

For intercoolers, If you have the tools make your own, its much cheaper and just as good. I'm currently buying parts for my new intercooler, using either a precision or spearco core, probably z-flow. My last intercooler I made was non brand core and was 24x7x2.75 and you couldnt possibly fit a bigger core under the stock bumper! Hope that helps

TomRitt18944
01-10-2005, 02:39 PM
O and I also used to have the k04 kit, and the gt28rs although I dont having it running 100% is faster than my ko4 with pc-16 310cc injectors. The spoolup is hardly noticable, and I thought it would be late spoolup b/cI went with the .86 rather than the .64 but I could have went with the gt2871 because the gt28rs .86 spoolup doesnt bother me at all. Other than that and the obvious power difference, the only big difference is the gt28rs pulls well into the redline where as the k04 would die down around 5200rpm.

O and I'm only running 12psi on my gt28rs right now :)

sighpost
01-10-2005, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by TomRitt18944
O and I also used to have the k04 kit, and the gt28rs although I dont having it running 100% is faster than my ko4 with pc-16 310cc injectors. The spoolup is hardly noticable, and I thought it would be late spoolup b/cI went with the .86 rather than the .64 but I could have went with the gt2871 because the gt28rs .86 spoolup doesnt bother me at all. Other than that and the obvious power difference, the only big difference is the gt28rs pulls well into the redline where as the k04 would die down around 5200rpm.

O and I'm only running 12psi on my gt28rs right now :)

you running a standalone or did ATP tune it for you?

TomRitt18944
01-10-2005, 04:08 PM
Yea atp for now. I'll probably go upsolute later but for n-dbw atp's programming isn;t nearly as bad as everyone says. I know a guy with the same set-up made 290whp on 19psi. Most people just flame atp's programming with no real experience with it. And for $45 for the beta file its hard to beat.

AB18
01-10-2005, 08:39 PM
It would be nice to have a t-28s but for autocross i like my ko4 much better. Yeah the ko4 makes about 30hp less but it spools, i think, a good bit quciker. With the j31 file i think you making 320tq which isnt too bad, because i think the t-28 turbos only make around 300tq in the kits. I could be wrong so dont quote me on that.

OutkastSL
01-10-2005, 09:43 PM
tomritt, as you mentioned that it was not "plug and play," can you clearify on how much modifications you needed to make to install the atp kit? have you dyno'd your car to get some numbers with the 12 psi chip? i'm interested in purchasing one soon because i'm not too happy with the k04.

TomRitt18944
01-11-2005, 04:41 AM
Well I'm still putting it together, I'm a college student and found it easier to buy it part by part, so I bought most of the atp kit but found my turbo, exhaust manifold, and oil/coolant lines elsewhere. The things the kit does not include that are required are injectors, fmic, fuel pump, adjustable fpr, plumb back for bypass valve. I don't have the fuel pump yet which is why I'm only running 12psi, and I also don't have a fmic yet so I had to extend the tube that goes to the crossover pipe to turbo. The atp software doesn't use the n75 so you must use a mbc. I havn't dynoed it but in a couple weeks when I have my fuel pump, and fmic, I will dyno at about 24psi and see what happens. Like I said this is not a kit for somebody who doesn't like to tinker around with things, I love doing that so this is perfect for me.

Hope that helps, sorry to get this off topic!

IndieRockSteve
01-11-2005, 09:34 AM
wish i had that kind of money while I was paying for/going to school...

TomRitt18944
01-11-2005, 11:16 AM
Yea Every break and every week of summer working 70-80 hrs, but in the end I geuss its worth it.

IndieRockSteve
01-11-2005, 01:59 PM
yea, I bought my Jeep in 99 and dropped $7K on my home theatre, the rest of my summer job moneys were to pay for school and living.

of course, I did by my A4 during Grad school...

TomRitt18944
01-11-2005, 03:08 PM
I was real close to going that route, projector and bose, but decided on the turbo kit instead. I already decided next year on 1.8t gt2871 rabbit convertible. Looking forward to that :)

Ans to keep this on topic does anybody have any pics of z-flows behind a stock bumper? I'm curious about the core siZe as well as tubing routing, b/c Im shopping for a core and wanted a 20-24 inch long by 6 high z flow core but I dont think its going to happen behind the stock bumper. Might have to go with the regular flowing spearco, precision, or griffen core.

A4Rob
01-11-2005, 11:14 PM
Listen to Burnt, he knows his stuff ; )

IndieRockSteve
01-12-2005, 06:23 AM
ack, Bose, stay far far away.
hrm, the turbo kit cost would just about cover my front speakers, or my pre-amp.
prbly the only thing I love more than my car...

TomRitt18944
01-12-2005, 06:37 AM
Lol, I just wanted something plug and play, and that was all I'd really heard besides Polk. what did you end up getting?


For anybody building there own intercooler I found very good prices here. http://www.roadraceengineering.com/intercoolers.htm

Silvant
01-12-2005, 08:14 AM
back on subject -
APR FMIC.

TomRitt18944
01-12-2005, 08:24 AM
I agree if your going to buy one, this seems like the best.

clconversion
01-12-2005, 08:33 AM
but definetly not the best looking

TomRitt18944
01-12-2005, 10:12 AM
I like the look, its jjust different

czand1
01-12-2005, 06:48 PM
If your not lookin for ultimate power the 2kA4 J31 setup is as good as it gets with K04. But you always want more. I am using the Kenitic K04 with MBC set to control overboost at 22 because of hybrid turbo. Works well and lookin foward to dynoing it soon. Used to have Neuspeed SK04 software and was a dog-- Dynoed at 182 with Neuspeed and 197 with MBC set at 18. J31 seems far stronger and had to replace clutch after J31. Lookin foward to putting it on the Dyno. Recently ran a 2003 BMW m3 from 60 to 120 MPH and lost by a car and a half. Though that was pretty strong and sure surprised me. The J31 gave me a little jump with the 5speed but his six speed pulled away in the long run. Its still a nice set up but does not pull as hard in high rpms as one would like. Real nice for everyday driving as it always has power. At 55 MPH close to 300 foot pounds or Torque will be available to you! Have greedy myself and works nice with RS4 or S4 bumper but looks horrible and my guess does not work well with greedy stock type installation. Bigger injectors also seem to work well with this set up. I tried using my TT225 injectors from my SK04 set up but could not get it right. Switched to TT180 317cc and works great! You can find lots of Jetta 317cc injectors cheap also

IndieRockSteve
01-13-2005, 06:49 AM
czand1,

thanks for the info, do you remember roughly how much the TT810 317cc injectors cost?

czand1
01-13-2005, 07:53 PM
You need to check the year jetta 1.8. There is a website some where that lists all the injectors and sizes and years. I have it at home but am on the road. I would look at vortex or ebay. I have seen them as cheap as 50-125 for all 4 used. The tt180's are a little harder to find. you can also use the 310 bosch. You will need an adjustable FuelvPressure Reg. I would reccomend ECStuning.com. Get the one with gauge. I have a vag and am in Rhode Island if u need some help tuining it. But with K04 on 2000 a4-J31 is a must. Check matt in florida he has dyno chart of regular GIAC K04 software and J31- Big differance!

AB18
01-13-2005, 08:12 PM
czand1, Im on regular ko4 software now and thinking of getting a fmic and bigger injectors and seeing if i can get the j31 file, is this strictly a 2000, or with the other mods will it work on my 99.? Oh-btw dude u see a big differnece with the j-31, as compared to the others?

TomRitt18944
01-13-2005, 09:53 PM
Yea no j31 for dbc, your best bet is fmic, 310cc and the giac pc-16 file

spec-4
01-14-2005, 01:34 AM
speaking of gt28r's, ill have mine up for grabs with all the requisite parts (well at least what the APR III+ kit would replace). only 5k on it. if your interested, pls email me at bfortega@umd.edu.

IndieRockSteve
01-14-2005, 01:57 PM
czand1, I might take you up on that near the summer when I got the the stuff installed and am ready to do the FPR and injectors.

czand1
01-14-2005, 07:11 PM
Here is the website
http://clam.rutgers.edu/~dreadsct/resell/1.8T_injectors.htm

Look for part # years and models on vortex or ebay for the 317CC
EV12 is long neck just like stock for your year. ev6 is short neck both will work!

mmart6545
01-14-2005, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by IndieRockSteve
They're the same, the GT28RS has a more aggressive pitch and blade design, but the T28 and GT28 are the same, just marketing for when Garrett wanted to try and get back into the tuner market.

I believe most of this info is incorrect

mmart6545
01-14-2005, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by AB18
It would be nice to have a t-28s but for autocross i like my ko4 much better. Yeah the ko4 makes about 30hp less but it spools, i think, a good bit quciker. With the j31 file i think you making 320tq which isnt too bad, because i think the t-28 turbos only make around 300tq in the kits. I could be wrong so dont quote me on that.

This is very true....the k04 makes lots of low end torque with the J31 file and it sure is fun. The difference is the power underneath the curve. The "big turbo" people may have similar peak numbers as the k04 kits, but the true amount of power isnt even comparable.

Think of the k04 kit as an autocross setup. Think of a big turbo as a "drag racing" solution.

IndieRockSteve
01-27-2005, 03:22 PM
czand1,
ok, I'm ready to buy the fpr and injectors.

some q's:
Do you recommend spending the time to find the TT injectors like your using, or should I just go with the Jetta's? (are they easy to find new?)
you say the EV12 or EV6 both will work, would there be a reason for me to get the EV6 over the EV12?
ECS has two FPR's with guages, does it matter?

thanks

TomRitt18944
01-27-2005, 09:52 PM
I used to half the blue fpr from ecs but it only went down to 4 bar so i returned it and got the silver one which is much better. Worth the money, and I also like the gauge

czand1
02-04-2005, 05:52 PM
Go with the silver one. Whatever injectors you can find at the right price is the way to go. Some say the long necks can have carbon problems. But do not listen to everything you here.