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a4rings
07-16-2009, 02:22 PM
whats up guys. so about 2 years ago i lowered my car with used neuspeed race springs on the stock sport springs (i know dumb) and even from the beginning the car sat a little higher on the driver side both front and rear, but the rear was more noticeable.
Now a few months back i got in an accident which took out my front bumper and the passenger side fender and a few other things like radiator support etc. now i notice that when you look at the car from back, you can see that the front passenger side sits lowerand the whole car is leaning towards the front passenger side. Also even after getting my car alligned at the audi dealership, the car stil pulls to the right. Also both of the front shocks seem to be blown because they sit MUCH lower than they did when i first put them on with the race spring (there is NO finger gaps at all and my wheel hits the fenderwhell all the time where at first it would never hit the fenderliner).
Also thers alot of clunking and body roll that was not there before the accident and the stiffness of the suspension has been deteriorating for the past few thousand miles even before the accident. (like 15k since i put the race springs on the oem sport shocks)

Now my question is, is it possible for the springs to be bad without being physically broken? I have been told that it is the springs that actually hold the car up so the ride height problems are probably spring related. I have also been told that bent control arms could cause ride height issues?
Do you guys think that if i just change the shocks everything will be alright? im trying to decide if i want to risk getting bilstein shocks and reusing the springs because i dotn want to spend soo much coilovers because im in the process of buying a new car and just want to get my a4 in good condition for daily driving.

Here are some pics i took of the front suspension, do you guys see anything bent? thanks alot for the help guys

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_0999.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_1000.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_1001.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_1002.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_1003.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_1004.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_1005.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_1006.jpg

revolution337
07-16-2009, 02:33 PM
im no expert, but i dont see anything that pops out at me that could be wrong

never_enough
07-16-2009, 02:38 PM
maybe your sway bar is tweaked. try unhooking the links and see how it looks. the sudden jar from the accident may have wanged it pretty good.

B6JoeS4
07-16-2009, 03:09 PM
i dont see anything that pops out at me that could be wrong

he is under the car with just a jack holding it. no jackstands. especially dangerous because its the cheap jack from harbor freight (i have the same one)

please please use jackstands.

revolution337
07-16-2009, 03:31 PM
i meant with his suspension.

dj spiel
07-16-2009, 03:49 PM
haha wow...yeah dude, you trying to kill urelf? use some jackstands homey

discontained
07-16-2009, 05:40 PM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/a4rings/102_1006.jpg

is that the snub mount? if soo jeez... i would replace with a apr mount! [up]

danphines
07-16-2009, 05:59 PM
maybe this?? im not an expert but it looks bent

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo331/danphines/bentaudi.jpg

bjmeur01
07-16-2009, 06:00 PM
The only thing that I notice that looks off is the bad cv boot, everything else looks normal.

onemoremile
07-16-2009, 10:47 PM
The control arms are bent to clear the spring.

Blown shocks will not cause a car to sag. You could drill a couple holes right through the sides of the shock bodies and the car won't sag. Two things control ride height; the distance from the lower shock mount to the lower spring perch, and the spring.

onemoremile
07-16-2009, 10:48 PM
Fix your CV boot.

a4rings
07-17-2009, 10:31 AM
is that the snub mount? if soo jeez... i would replace with a apr mount! [up]

haha it's a neuspeed snub. Wat makes u think the apr is that much better?

a4rings
07-17-2009, 11:05 AM
Fix your CV boot.


Yea I already got a jhm axle So do you think the springs could just go bad without physically breaking? Could blown frot shocks be the reason my tire rubs on my fender on really tight uphill turns or if I hit a bump? Because when I originally put the suspension on it would never rubb. And my rides pretty bouncy now. Basically I'm asking if you guys think Ishould just replace the shocks with bilsteins or if I need to replace the springs too (don't have time to wait for findng a good deal on nice coilovers and don't want shitty vmaxx coils)

onemoremile
07-17-2009, 01:47 PM
It sounds like your shocks are toast. Springs are the muscle and shocks are the control. Without good shocks the body motion will tend to be exaggerated and will bounce over large bumps. While bad shocks shouldn't contribute to rubbing under cornering, if you've also got worn out springs then it could compress enough to rub. That would feel like a lot of body roll from the driver's seat.

Bilstein HDs are great if you never intend to lower it otherwise go with the sports or Konis. Konis have a slightly smoother ride.

You can measure your springs while installed to see how different they are. They should be pretty close. Also look to see if any coils are laying on top of each other and if that is the same on both sides.

a4rings
07-17-2009, 07:44 PM
It sounds like your shocks are toast. Springs are the muscle and shocks are the control. Without good shocks the body motion will tend to be exaggerated and will bounce over large bumps. While bad shocks shouldn't contribute to rubbing under cornering, if you've also got worn out springs then it could compress enough to rub. That would feel like a lot of body roll from the driver's seat.


yea i have alot of body roll that never used to be there. your saying that this should be attributed to worn out springs or blown shocks? also wat are the bilstein hd's? im pretty sure i was looking at the bilstein sports. anyone know the cheapest place to get them?

ghost6303
07-17-2009, 07:52 PM
if your ride is bouncy-ier then normal that would mean that the shocks arent dampening the up and down forces from the springs. if the ride was rougher/bumpier then normal it might be the springs.

billstein HD's = heavy duty. good dampening for stock height suspension, but they do not work well with lowering springs. cheapest i found 18 months ago was flebay $510 shipped.

onemoremile
07-19-2009, 12:38 AM
The Bilstein HD is a Bilstein Sport with a longer shaft for use with stock height springs. I run them with Shine Racing springs.