Looking for know-it-alls!

[NastyNate]

Here's the chance for all of you experienced, jaded (flame-the-noob) modders to redeem yourselves. I have searched the forums far and wide. I have even looked at OTHER (inferior) forums for advice. I even asked former B7 owners and Audi technicians for advice...

I'm in the classic conundrum of all new modders (B7 2.0Tqm). Chip, suspension, exhaust, and not necessarily in that order (although maybe yes). Oh, and getting away from the 17" OEM wheels would be fantastic as well, although everyone puts that low on the list...

I want a new exhaust for performance/sound/whatever!
- Go ahead and drop $1000 for small performance gains
- Sounds cool as you drive past Beverly Hills High
(kidding, I love the sound of a good exhaust)

Good mod, but a lot of $$ for a little gain...

So I wanna chip. and I hear things like:
- Upgrade your DV, save yourself the trouble!
- What about an HPFP? You need that before you chip, save yourself the trouble!
- Know everything you're gonna do to the car before you make this decision, and then in spite of that, go with the closest shop!

Okay, so that's about $500 before base mod without any labor (although I'd do it myself). not including the psychic powers of your nearest palmreader to see what the future holds.

I want a better stance (incl. wheels). I'd kill to not be featured in 4x4 Monthly, so a suspension would be great!
- Don't do springs w/o shocks!
- Put in CO's and save yourself the trouble!
- RS4 Swaybar FTW! (this might be the lone cheap mod that everyone should do)
- Suspension comes before wheels, everyone knows that! (find me more than one pic post of the stock (non-Sline) wheels on a lowered suspension)

Okay, so we're talking about around $700 in parts for the cheap solution - and there's no pics showing what we get for the $$ and for the work that we put in (or for the $300 of labor that we pay for).

To all of the "PAY TO PLAY!" peeps, I hear ya! I know we're driving german luxury sedans/wagons. I make enough money to support the addiction, but c'mon! I get it that some of us spent $35k+ or more on the car new, but I just got one for much less. I've owned 2 BMW's and 4 different VAG cars, so I get it.

I've got my flame-retardant jammies on, so flame on if you need to, but I'd prefer comments about the so-called prerequisites to BASE MODS that I see all the time. To be clear, I don't want a prescription, I just want comments/advice.

Did I mention that I searched? [:D] Thanks!

[audidrver]

its all in here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267071

[dblock110]

what the fuck are you talking about haha

i read your entire post, but dont understand what you want haha

[dblock110]

i agree on the suspension b4 wheels comment lol .everyone says to do that, but i never see lowered cars on stock wheels

i do see stock suspension on new wheels tho

[07BlackA4]

i do see stock suspension on new wheels tho

and it looks awful.

i didnt take pictures of my stock wheels after i got my suspension but i can tell you it looked 100x better than the pictures i see of aftermarket wheels paired with stock (non-sport) suspension.

[Hyphy]

Here's the chance for all of you experienced, jaded (flame-the-noob) modders to redeem yourselves. I have searched the forums far and wide. I have even looked at OTHER (inferior) forums for advice. I even asked former B7 owners and Audi technicians for advice...
-okay.

I'm in the classic conundrum of all new modders (B7 2.0Tqm). Chip, suspension, exhaust, and not necessarily in that order (although maybe yes). Oh, and getting away from the 17" OEM wheels would be fantastic as well, although everyone puts that low on the list...

I want a new exhaust for performance/sound/whatever!
- Go ahead and drop $1000 for small performance gains
- Sounds cool as you drive past Beverly Hills High
(kidding, I love the sound of a good exhaust)

Good mod, but a lot of $$ for a little gain...
either go custom, Miltek, or AWE. b/w those choices you can't go wrong for exhausts.
So I wanna chip. and I hear things like:
- Upgrade your DV, save yourself the trouble! - tru...it will save you the hassle of replacing the stock DV.
- What about an HPFP? You need that before you chip, save yourself the trouble! - no it's not neccessary to upgrade this. if you do want to in the future you cant (stage 2+).
- Know everything you're gonna do to the car before you make this decision, and then in spite of that, go with the closest shop! - true..a close shop is a lot more convienient than having to drive all over town...

Okay, so that's about $500 before base mod without any labor (although I'd do it myself). not including the psychic powers of your nearest palmreader to see what the future holds.

I want a better stance (incl. wheels). I'd kill to not be featured in 4x4 Monthly, so a suspension would be great!
- Don't do springs w/o shocks! -agreed
- Put in CO's and save yourself the trouble! -unless u find a nice set of spring and shock package (h&rs with koni shocks are nice)
- RS4 Swaybar FTW! (this might be the lone cheap mod that everyone should do) - GET IT
- Suspension comes before wheels, everyone knows that! (find me more than one pic post of the stock (non-Sline) wheels on a lowered suspension) sure...http://www.atdesigner.com/audi/maine06_2009-lowered/lowered03.jpg
This car is on-
The Koni FSD/Eibach pro kit

Okay, so we're talking about around $700 in parts for the cheap solution - and there's no pics showing what we get for the $$ and for the work that we put in (or for the $300 of labor that we pay for).

To all of the "PAY TO PLAY!" peeps, I hear ya! I know we're driving german luxury sedans/wagons. I make enough money to support the addiction, but c'mon! I get it that some of us spent $35k+ or more on the car new, but I just got one for much less. I've owned 2 BMW's and 4 different VAG cars, so I get it.

I've got my flame-retardant jammies on, so flame on if you need to, but I'd prefer comments about the so-called prerequisites to BASE MODS that I see all the time. To be clear, I don't want a prescription, I just want comments/advice.

Did I mention that I searched? [:D] Thanks!

i tried..

[maka]

well for me(due to snow, goo canada:P) i can't go lower than my sport suspension. i'm going to be rocking vmr rs4 reps 19" :D

[Grishbok]

the pre-requisites will depend entirely on your power goal. If you are going with a big turbo, that would include fuel injectors, new fuel pump, new tune, turbo manifold, tubing, exhaust, intake, etc.

If you are going for just a chip tune, the pre-requisites would be an upgrade diverter valve. That alone will run the chip tune sufficiently.

You can continue to increase your performance mods, but you will eventually exceed the parameters of the chip tune and may need to get a new custom tune to support it.

To stress the point, the pre-requisites are entirely dependent on what your overall power goal is for the car.

[maka]

the pre-requisites will depend entirely on your power goal. If you are going with a big turbo, that would include fuel injectors, new fuel pump, new tune, turbo manifold, tubing, exhaust, intake, etc.

If you are going for just a chip tune, the pre-requisites would be an upgrade diverter valve. That alone will run the chip tune sufficiently.

You can continue to increase your performance mods, but you will eventually exceed the parameters of the chip tune and may need to get a new custom tune to support it.

To stress the point, the pre-requisites are entirely dependent on what your overall power goal is for the car.

Would the new revision D diverter valve be sufficient for up to stage II+ chipping?

[Grishbok]

stage 2+? yeah, itll support the k03 boost levels perfectly fine.

[p1nk50ck]

wow, this guy played you all like a fiddle. and all it took was "looking for you know-it-alls?". that's like going up to a couple of drunk girls and asking them "whos the better kisser?". i expected more from the haters on this site.

to the OP, i know you said that you searched, but obviously not that hard. all of the questions you asked are within the first 3 pages of this section of the forum.

[maka]

stage 2+? yeah, itll support the k03 boost levels perfectly fine.

Thanks[up]

[Hyphy]

wow, this guy played you all like a fiddle. and all it took was "looking for you know-it-alls?". that's like going up to a couple of drunk girls and asking them "whos the better kisser?". i expected more from the haters on this site.

to the OP, i know you said that you searched, but obviously not that hard. all of the questions you asked are within the first 3 pages of this section of the forum.

Noone got played. I'm sorry, i refuse to be one of those 'haters' because he doesn't know how to properly search. Everyone started out the same at some point in time. I, on the other hand did not expect you to criticize me or anyone else that is determined to help anyone who may or may not have the knowledge or capability (if you will) to provide his own answers; thus the whole point of having a FORUM!

edit: you own a IS300. I like you, again.

[maka]

Noone got played. I'm sorry, i refuse to be one of those 'haters' because he doesn't know how to properly search. Everyone started out the same at some point in time. I, on the other hand did not expect you to criticize me or anyone else that is determined to help anyone who may or may not have the knowledge or capability (if you will) to provide his own answers; thus the whole point of having a FORUM!

edit: you own a IS300. I like you, again.

[up] he just seemed bitter, his post was completely unnecessary/unhelpful. He took as much time writing that as it would have taken him to answer Op's questions.
[race]

[NastyNate]

its all in here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267071

Gee thanks. I never saw that sticky that's right at the top of the list! [/sarcasm]

I've scoured that FAQ, I've done a lot of searching, but my basic questions are not answered clearly. Thanks for the effort though.

[NastyNate]

i agree on the suspension b4 wheels comment lol .everyone says to do that, but i never see lowered cars on stock wheels

i do see stock suspension on new wheels tho

There we go, I want to see that setup!!!

[NastyNate]

well for me(due to snow, goo canada:P) i can't go lower than my sport suspension. i'm going to be rocking vmr rs4 reps 19" :D

Hyphy made a good try, but again, those are S-line wheels if I'm not mistaken...

Maka, i feel for you - you'll never want to post that picture, although I'm sure it will look sweet (but not perfect).

[NastyNate]

the pre-requisites will depend entirely on your power goal. If you are going with a big turbo, that would include fuel injectors, new fuel pump, new tune, turbo manifold, tubing, exhaust, intake, etc.

If you are going for just a chip tune, the pre-requisites would be an upgrade diverter valve. That alone will run the chip tune sufficiently.

You can continue to increase your performance mods, but you will eventually exceed the parameters of the chip tune and may need to get a new custom tune to support it.

To stress the point, the pre-requisites are entirely dependent on what your overall power goal is for the car.

Thank you Grishbok, this is the type of thing I was looking for. I'm sure there are plenty of people who chipped before upgrading the DV, let's hear some of those experiences.

[NastyNate]

Noone got played. I'm sorry, i refuse to be one of those 'haters' because he doesn't know how to properly search. Everyone started out the same at some point in time. I, on the other hand did not expect you to criticize me or anyone else that is determined to help anyone who may or may not have the knowledge or capability (if you will) to provide his own answers; thus the whole point of having a FORUM!

edit: you own a IS300. I like you, again.

I appreciate your point, Hyphy. But, as I've mentioned a few times now, no one has pointed me to a pic of stock wheels on lowered suspension... I know how to use a search engine... I hoped to credentialize myself a little bit by asking some of the right questions.

[wayneB7]

wow, this guy played you all like a fiddle. and all it took was "looking for you know-it-alls?". that's like going up to a couple of drunk girls and asking them "whos the better kisser?". i expected more from the haters on this site.

to the OP, i know you said that you searched, but obviously not that hard. all of the questions you asked are within the first 3 pages of this section of the forum.

Heheheh .. not only that but the original post had no clear question, and goodness knows this forum has no clear answers to most questions. That said, the only thing that I saw in that post was a bit of a summation of various 'conclusions' on cartain points, with a request -- back to the same people -- for summary answers.

In other words a stirring of the pot all over again. The answers are not going to be any closer to the truth this time around. That said, this is not a criticism of the OP -- he has a right to ask the questions as he sees fit. To me it is clear that he did use 'search' a lot since he put forth the various summations thus far. His post just pouinted out one of the major truths about fora such as these -- there is more often than not, no one answer. [:)]

[Geoffafa]

Here's the chance for all of you experienced, jaded (flame-the-noob) modders to redeem yourselves. I have searched the forums far and wide. I have even looked at OTHER (inferior) forums for advice. I even asked former B7 owners and Audi technicians for advice...

I'm in the classic conundrum of all new modders (B7 2.0Tqm). Chip, suspension, exhaust, and not necessarily in that order (although maybe yes). Oh, and getting away from the 17" OEM wheels would be fantastic as well, although everyone puts that low on the list...

I want a new exhaust for performance/sound/whatever!
- Go ahead and drop $1000 for small performance gains
- Sounds cool as you drive past Beverly Hills High
(kidding, I love the sound of a good exhaust)

Exhaust although not very cost effective as far as price to power is concerned, does make the car sound incredible. You can search Youtube and find several vid's about exhaust to choose the sound you like best. I personally run a Milltek cat-back exhaust with a e-code TP, with a muffler delete. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_B90tZR7aA

Good mod, but a lot of $$ for a little gain...

So I wanna chip. and I hear things like:Chip should be first, it will be your best power to price gain!
- Upgrade your DV, save yourself the trouble! The diverter valves on our cars will most likely blow once you attain the boost pressure from stage 2. Our car / DV is used to seeing 10-11 lb spikes, so when you are spiking 20-22, the rubber diaphragm will want to explode from all the extra air pressure.
- What about an HPFP? You need that before you chip, save yourself the trouble! The fuel cut in the B7 is inevitable with out a HPFP. I ran into this problem once i flashed stage 2 APR. I did the fuel pump, but later came to the conclusion that the APR software didn't run correctly on my car, so I flashed REVO. Long story short anything above stage 2 will most likely require you to buy the upgraded HPFP
- Know everything you're gonna do to the car before you make this decision, and then in spite of that, go with the closest shop!

Okay, so that's about $500 before base mod without any labor (although I'd do it myself). not including the psychic powers of your nearest palmreader to see what the future holds.

I want a better stance (incl. wheels). I'd kill to not be featured in 4x4 Monthly, so a suspension would be great!
- Don't do springs w/o shocks!
- Put in CO's and save yourself the trouble! I'm a fan of coilovers personally, but then again, i like to be really low. to each his own on suspension.
- RS4 Swaybar FTW! (this might be the lone cheap mod that everyone should do) Must do! Our pencil thin RSB is not very safe when spirited dirving is in your blood, trust me, I almost put my Audi into a wall before i got the RS4 RSB because of the understeer.
- Suspension comes before wheels, everyone knows that! (find me more than one pic post of the stock (non-Sline) wheels on a lowered suspension)

Okay, so we're talking about around $700 in parts for the cheap solution - and there's no pics showing what we get for the $$ and for the work that we put in (or for the $300 of labor that we pay for).

To all of the "PAY TO PLAY!" peeps, I hear ya! I know we're driving german luxury sedans/wagons. I make enough money to support the addiction, but c'mon! I get it that some of us spent $35k+ or more on the car new, but I just got one for much less. I've owned 2 BMW's and 4 different VAG cars, so I get it.

I've got my flame-retardant jammies on, so flame on if you need to, but I'd prefer comments about the so-called prerequisites to BASE MODS that I see all the time. To be clear, I don't want a prescription, I just want comments/advice.

Did I mention that I searched? [:D] Thanks!


Another thing not mentioned is the PCV fix. Eurojet sells one, and lately a few people have been running oil catch cans. The PCV valve is also a piece that tends to blow when you get up to stage two power. I recommend you do this along with the DV at the time you go stage 2, just to save yourself from running like crap and leaking boost all the way to the shop to get them replaced.

Hope this info can be put to good use, and hope to see you as a regular here in the future [up]

[NastyNate]

Another thing not mentioned is the PCV fix. Eurojet sells one, and lately a few people have been running oil catch cans. The PCV valve is also a piece that tends to blow when you get up to stage two power. I recommend you do this along with the DV at the time you go stage 2, just to save yourself from running like crap and leaking boost all the way to the shop to get them replaced.

Hope this info can be put to good use, and hope to see you as a regular here in the future [up]

Great feedback Geoff, thanks much. I hope I'm a regular here too - we'll see how much tolerance the wife has for my modding. It sounds like I should chip first and deal with DV and PCV issues later. I'm running an APR trial right now, and the power is pretty sweet. I have to make a conscious effort to not be at WOT constantly!

I have checked out those Youtube exhaust clips, and I also really like the Millitek system. AWE sounds great but I think it would get old, especially when I'm trying to be sneaky.

I've also decided that my first contribution will be to show people how much better (hopefully) our cars look with just a new suspension on stock wheels. I'll probably post pics next week or so - just in time for my new 710's that are scheduled to arrive at VMR next week.

[Geoffafa]

Great feedback Geoff, thanks much. I hope I'm a regular here too - we'll see how much tolerance the wife has for my modding. It sounds like I should chip first and deal with DV and PCV issues later. I'm running an APR trial right now, and the power is pretty sweet. I have to make a conscious effort to not be at WOT constantly!

I have checked out those Youtube exhaust clips, and I also really like the Millitek system. AWE sounds great but I think it would get old, especially when I'm trying to be sneaky.

I've also decided that my first contribution will be to show people how much better (hopefully) our cars look with just a new suspension on stock wheels. I'll probably post pics next week or so - just in time for my new 710's that are scheduled to arrive at VMR next week.

Yeah by far the nicest tone of exhaust IMO would be the Milltek, and when you delete the mufflers = pure sex. But you won't be sneaking anywhere haha. There are some pics floating around of stockies lowered. I know my good friend (HID@Wolfcars) is running the stock ti wheels slammed on kw v1 coilovers.

BTW, V710's [up] great wheels, I loved them on my car, I had to sell them because I picked up a nice set of work wheels at an offer i couldn't pass.

here's how my car looked on the VMR's

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g154/GrYaN3413/16fcffc6.jpg


And here's how it sits as of yesterday, Stasis SS sitting at 22.75 Rear and 23 Front.

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=b40f9a39f3&view=att&th=121f54f30b43bf6e&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=1305855736248532992-1&zw

[NastyNate]

Yeah by far the nicest tone of exhaust IMO would be the Milltek, and when you delete the mufflers = pure sex. But you won't be sneaking anywhere haha. There are some pics floating around of stockies lowered. I know my good friend (HID@Wolfcars) is running the stock ti wheels slammed on kw v1 coilovers.

BTW, V710's [up] great wheels, I loved them on my car, I had to sell them because I picked up a nice set of work wheels at an offer i couldn't pass.

here's how my car looked on the VMR's

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g154/GrYaN3413/16fcffc6.jpg


And here's how it sits as of yesterday, Stasis SS sitting at 22.75 Rear and 23 Front.

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=b40f9a39f3&view=att&th=121f54f30b43bf6e&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=1305855736248532992-1&zw

Wow, Geoff - I hadn't seen that older pic of your car yet. [up] So hot! The second pic didn't come through for some reason, but I'd love to see it sitting that low. Too low for me, probably, but I'm glad someone's doing it!

[Geoffafa]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g154/GrYaN3413/moarlow.jpg



trying again.

[freeflow]

[up] u've got the answers u need above

I had my stock DV go after about 5k following my APR, but just put it in stock mode, went to my dealer, and had the new D- DV installed under warranty. 15k later, and no issues and i drive WOTADL [drive] no need to upgrade until yours blows tho.

And RS4 Sway... do it immediately following ur chip (easy DIY install - GET BRACKETS & BUSHINGS THO). then suspension, then exhaust or wheels. HPFP only really necessary when going stage 2

EDIT: And Geoff, ur car looks sexx! I almost like the look of the VMRs better tho IMO even tho they rnt as nice

[NastyNate]

[up] u've got the answers u need above

I had my stock DV go after about 5k following my APR, but just put it in stock mode, went to my dealer, and had the new D- DV installed under warranty. 15k later, and no issues and i drive WOTADL [drive] no need to upgrade until yours blows tho.

And RS4 Sway... do it immediately following ur chip (easy DIY install - GET BRACKETS & BUSHINGS THO). then suspension, then exhaust or wheels. HPFP only really necessary when going stage 2

EDIT: And Geoff, ur car looks sexx! I almost like the look of the VMRs better tho IMO even tho they rnt as nice

Yes, thanks everyone for your input. I ordered the RS4 sway last week and it should get here today! I knew I needed it when I was exercising the car just after I got it, and experienced the understeer on an on-ramp. It would be an exaggeration to say that I almost hit a wall, but I really want that corrected.

Sway will be DIY if I can just get a day without rain! [=(] Can't wait to get these mods done so that I can post my first pics. [wrench]

[Geoffafa]

Yes, thanks everyone for your input. I ordered the RS4 sway last week and it should get here today! I knew I needed it when I was exercising the car just after I got it, and experienced the understeer on an on-ramp. It would be an exaggeration to say that I almost hit a wall, but I really want that corrected.

Sway will be DIY if I can just get a day without rain! [=(] Can't wait to get these mods done so that I can post my first pics. [wrench]


I wasn't exaggerating, I was taking a sweeping turn on the expressway when i had stock suspension and no RSB, at 130-135... not too fun..



EDIT: And Geoff, ur car looks sexx! I almost like the look of the VMRs better tho IMO even tho they rnt as nice

Thanks man, but don't worry. I have a trick up my sleeves for these wheels. Hint hint 3 piece wheels [;)] They will poke, they will stretch, they will own every other wheel on this forum [:D]

excuse the cockiness. I'm just confident on the turn out.

[freeflow]

I wasn't exaggerating, I was taking a sweeping turn on the expressway when i had stock suspension and no RSB, at 130-135... not too fun..

Jesussss.... i cant imagine taking a turn like that completely stock. I took an off-ramp stock at about 60 and almost lost it into the wall. Ordered my rs4 sway that day haha



Thanks man, but don't worry. I have a trick up my sleeves for these wheels. Hint hint 3 piece wheels [;)] They will poke, they will stretch, they will own every other wheel on this forum [:D]

excuse the cockiness. I'm just confident on the turn out.

I have total faith in your modding skills [hail] can't wait to see

[Hyphy]

Hyphy made a good try, but again, those are S-line wheels if I'm not mistaken...



No they aren't. I drive a non s-line and i have those wheels. [;)]

[Geoffafa]

stockie mcfockies right there. those are 17's s-lines are 18. single five spoke.

[NastyNate]

stockie mcfockies right there. those are 17's s-lines are 18. single five spoke.

Okay fair enough... but the stock wheels on my 2005.5 are different. Those were double five spoke, mine are single five spoke...

[Hyphy]

Okay fair enough... but the stock wheels on my 2005.5 are different. Those were double five spoke, mine are single five spoke...

That is because they changed the wheels with the '06+ (year).