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anmagro
06-15-2009, 07:33 PM
1998 2.8L 30V Quattro. The Problem is that the front end of my car sits higher than the back. So much that its about 3/4 of an inch diff or more. Im lowering on stock non-sport shocks because they have no leaks and are in great shape as said by my audi tech.

The question is....witch after maket springs will allow the wheel gap to be equal between the front and rear of my car.

IM NOT getting coil overs.

IM NOT upgrading the shocks right now.

All other advice would be great on the question at hand [up]

Silverstreak98
06-15-2009, 08:04 PM
I've heard good things about the Vogtland lowering springs, was definitely looking into those with Bilstein shocks before I got my coilovers.

These are the ones I was looking at.....CLICK (http://www.purems.com/products/product.php/II=1174)

Car isn't gonna ride great with the stock shocks, and when they blow you'll have to replace them anyways. IMO it doesn't make sense to just change the springs when you have non-sport shocks, at least get some sport shocks. You'll be in a lot better shape that way.

anmagro
06-15-2009, 08:07 PM
I understand that the ride might be a bit bouncy but...

I was looking at those before. I just need to know witch ones are going to help level out the car the best....

duzeco
06-15-2009, 08:14 PM
Most springs will lower the front more. When you look at springs online they'll usually say something like f2.0- r1.5. I have H&R Race springs on oem sports. The back is still a little lower, but it def. evened out the overall stance a bit more. With a 2.8 maybe the front will be even lower? As to which one's do it the best... no clue. IMO H&R did a good job.

anmagro
06-15-2009, 08:30 PM
Yes, the 2.8 will most likely have a lower front than the 1.8T because of the weight of the engine. Im trying to get this straight because im not going to buy the springs....put them on....and then be unhappy with what i just did and have to live with it.

duzeco
06-15-2009, 08:48 PM
I think the only way you're really going to get all the corners exactly the same is with CO's. But since that's out, good luck. I would get shocks too. I know you're not, but seriously you're not going to want to do this install twice... It's not particularly a fun one. rewarding once you're all done though[up]

wesleyfbm
06-15-2009, 09:05 PM
i have neuspeed..its aight. i ordered coils tho.

anmagro
06-15-2009, 09:08 PM
neuspeed on my same set up? are they more even than not? hows the drop?

Silverstreak98
06-15-2009, 09:15 PM
The Vogtland springs have different springs for the 2.8 and the 1.8 so it should be fine.

Sounds like you already have an existing problem if your front is that much higher than the back.

Take the concrete blocks out of the trunk....?

J Ozzie
06-15-2009, 09:25 PM
i think a 1.75'' drop would be nice. I have h&R Sports which are 1.3 1.2r i want the tucked look.

anmagro
06-15-2009, 09:32 PM
U have non-sport shocks? ^

J Ozzie
06-15-2009, 09:35 PM
Yup

bastosmafka
06-15-2009, 10:21 PM
I had vogtland sports with koni yellows on my 2.8 and the back was lower than the front.. Ill stick to h+r sports or race if you want it flush with the fender. But if you were to lower it might as well get shocks to go with it. Bilstiens are probably your best choice and you'll have the option of using the grooves to adjust hieght a little more.

anmagro
06-15-2009, 10:33 PM
Oh man, im hearing so many different things. I just need to know witch one is going to be more level. lols.

Kronic Budz
06-16-2009, 01:32 AM
my vogtland sports are pretty much dead even front and rear. The rear might be 1/8 of an inch lower if that. You cant even tell in person. 2 fingers fit comfy in the front and more snug in the back. the fender that is. hope this helps.

mexican47
06-16-2009, 02:13 AM
my neuspeed race lowered my car 2in F and ~ 1.75 R... its deffinately noticeable tho (at least to me, but then again im kind of a perfectionist lol) GL

J Ozzie
06-16-2009, 02:28 AM
my neuspeed race lowered my car 2in F and ~ 1.75 R... its deffinately noticeable tho (at least to me, but then again im kind of a perfectionist lol) GL

I wana see a nice close up of your car and how low she realllllllly is [:D]

lifwanian
06-16-2009, 02:50 AM
Since your shocks are in "great shape", keep your money, save up for CO, and sell your shocks!

Your ride will never be even with just springs unless you start taking things out like the spare tire...

If you get regular springs on non-sport shocks, you wont have much of a drop
If you get race springs on non-sport shocks, you'll get a good drop, but ride will be shit.

dmaize
06-16-2009, 07:55 AM
I think the only way you're really going to get all the corners exactly the same is with CO's. But since that's out, good luck. I would get shocks too. I know you're not, but seriously you're not going to want to do this install twice... It's not particularly a fun one. rewarding once you're all done though[up]

lets see a photo of your car on HRs

somebody5788
06-16-2009, 08:10 AM
I understand that the ride might be a bit bouncy but...

I was looking at those before. I just need to know witch ones are going to help level out the car the best....

I've posted pix of my setup for you several times. Mine are 1/16 or 1/8" difference front to back and the front is actually the lower one. I am running 235's and I have no rubbing and a good stance. It is the most practical setup for DD where there is snow and may actually last a while on your non sport shocks. So one more time I am running Vogtland sports on my 30v 2.8. Here are some pictures of my ride height which I have not posted for you yet.

Back
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/somebody5788/My%20cars/A4/IMG_0486.jpg

Front
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/somebody5788/My%20cars/A4/IMG_0487.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/somebody5788/My%20cars/A4/18%20Flik%20Artic/rimssun.jpg

somebody5788
06-16-2009, 08:13 AM
Since your shocks are in "great shape", keep your money, save up for CO, and sell your shocks!

Your ride will never be even with just springs unless you start taking things out like the spare tire...

If you get regular springs on non-sport shocks, you wont have much of a drop
If you get race springs on non-sport shocks, you'll get a good drop, but ride will be shit.

Shocks do not effect height!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unless they have an adjustable perch which most do not.

Unless I am wrong and the perch height on sport vs non sport is different but I understood it was only the shock itself and taller springs. Either way you will have the same amount lower on the non sport as you would sport to springs.

wesleyfbm
06-16-2009, 08:42 AM
1.8t on my stock wheels. neuspeed race with stock non sports. the rear was prob 1/8th higher. not low enough for me but i got the springs for $140 new.

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/wesleyfbm/001-4.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/wesleyfbm/002-5.jpg

seanj130
06-16-2009, 10:05 AM
well i have out my strut towers right now, and my springs will be here in a few minutes, and i bought the H n R race springs.. ill let you know how they ride, pm me if you woul dlike a picture of Race on non sport with 16 inch wheels and 55 seriers tires, i will be doign the struts soon. once my friend lowers his on coils im taking his billienstein struts

A4udiRed
06-16-2009, 02:31 PM
i am relativley new to audi...i think its all i'll ever drive, but how do you know if the stock spings are sport or not?

wesleyfbm
06-16-2009, 02:56 PM
the sports are about 3/4" lower than the non sports. not exactly sure what the fine print is on them..bout all i know. you can def tell in comparison.

mexican47
06-16-2009, 03:10 PM
I wana see a nice close up of your car and how low she realllllllly is [:D]

all i got is phone pics but here are a couple, the front is REALLY low :)
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/mexican47/downsized_0512091233b.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/mexican47/downsized_0512091233c.jpg
makes the mazda ^^^ look like a 4x4 :)
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/mexican47/IMGA2954.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/mexican47/IMGA2957.jpg

A4udiRed
06-16-2009, 03:39 PM
yeah, my front is pretty low I think I have the sport ones. I found a bunch of others that have the same rims that I have that are sports.

anmagro
06-17-2009, 12:06 AM
MY DECISION.....

So, mexican....because your front is so low, there is no way that i can go nuespeed race....even tho i really like the way it sits. I cant go that route because of the NY and NYC roads that mean that i have to climb a hill to get into most gas stations over here. I would bottom out every 5 seconds. Vogtland Sports is what i choose because they seem to help the car sit more level. Any Race spring will put me to low. Im going Vogtland Sport on Stock Non-Sport Shocks.

Thanks alot guys. Ill be SURE to Post up picks in the Wheel and Suspention Thread. And maby some before and afters in another.

anmagro
06-17-2009, 12:08 AM
I also realize that wheel and tire size have ALOT to do with wheel gap and even ride height....and that makes sense.

speedydragon
06-17-2009, 12:16 AM
st coilovers...the shocks are made by KW, so it's safe to assume that they're quality. And they cost right in the spring/shock combo. I know you mentioned you're not getting coilovers, but it'd be awesome if you could give them some though.

mexican47
06-17-2009, 12:42 AM
MY DECISION.....

So, mexican....because your front is so low, there is no way that i can go nuespeed race....even tho i really like the way it sits. I cant go that route because of the NY and NYC roads that mean that i have to climb a hill to get into most gas stations over here. I would bottom out every 5 seconds. Vogtland Sports is what i choose because they seem to help the car sit more level. Any Race spring will put me to low. Im going Vogtland Sport on Stock Non-Sport Shocks.

Thanks alot guys. Ill be SURE to Post up picks in the Wheel and Suspention Thread. And maby some before and afters in another.

good choice, i hear vogtland sports lowere quite a bit too

somebody5788
06-17-2009, 10:57 AM
I love my Vogtland springs. But he's right the tire rim combo makes a much larger difference then the springs lol.

anmagro
06-17-2009, 11:27 AM
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......link to ST Coil over purchase site please? How much are these things.

a4fann
06-17-2009, 12:00 PM
I don't see any low cars in here but maybe that's at my inner vw talking, to the op I would highly reccomend saving up for coils you will be much happier with the adjustability.

anmagro
06-17-2009, 01:22 PM
on Purems.com and awetuning.com buying springs and shocks apart from one another is like 200-400 dollars more than in a kit! Shit! Am i really going to by paying more in the long run?

anmagro
06-17-2009, 01:23 PM
Is $550.00 really the avg price for Bilstein Sport Shocks all around ?????? Dam.....

mexican47
06-17-2009, 04:43 PM
Is $550.00 really the avg price for Bilstein Sport Shocks all around ?????? Dam.....

pretty much lol

NastyNate
06-19-2009, 06:34 AM
Is $550.00 really the avg price for Bilstein Sport Shocks all around ?????? Dam.....

Nah, you can find them for about $450, and lots of places will ship for free.

Silverstreak98
06-19-2009, 07:14 AM
Is $550.00 really the avg price for Bilstein Sport Shocks all around ?????? Dam.....

This is why I just put up the extra couple hundred bucks and got some coilovers.

J Ozzie
06-19-2009, 12:40 PM
all i got is phone pics but here are a couple, the front is REALLY low :)
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/mexican47/downsized_0512091233b.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/mexican47/downsized_0512091233c.jpg
makes the mazda ^^^ look like a 4x4 :)
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/mexican47/IMGA2954.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/mexican47/IMGA2957.jpg

FAIL


Haha im kidding budd... our cars are almost twins and if it looks mint.. im going to go with the same setup you have. the thing i have to worry about is stupid 1ft high speed bumps.

anmagro
06-19-2009, 04:10 PM
Nah, you can find them for about $450, and lots of places will ship for free.

Really? Well if i could get one of these sites then that would be great. Link(s)?

mexican47
06-19-2009, 04:28 PM
FAIL


Haha im kidding budd... our cars are almost twins and if it looks mint.. im going to go with the same setup you have. the thing i have to worry about is stupid 1ft high speed bumps.

haha nice, yeah i wanna go lower tho :)
the roads over here aren't too bad and not very many speed bumps either so i wanna go about 1" lower...

anmagro
06-23-2009, 12:31 AM
Nah, you can find them for about $450, and lots of places will ship for free.

$450 for a full set? Does anyone have a link? Im going on vacation soon and i want to know exactly what im getting when i get back. [up]

onemoremile
06-23-2009, 01:52 AM
For what its worth, I had my car cornerbalanced on coilovers and no two corners were the same height. The largest deviation was over 1/4".

anmagro
06-23-2009, 09:10 AM
For what its worth, I had my car cornerbalanced on coilovers and no two corners were the same height. The largest deviation was over 1/4".

More info on.....

ST Coilovers, Price, Place to buy. I hope they can be orderd off a real site.

and...

The Best price for Bilsteins (just struts) online.

onemoremile
06-23-2009, 09:19 AM
Here is the info on the ST group buy. They are the same internally as the KW V1 that I ran.