(viziers's) - FWD to AWD Conversion Project

[viziers]

Just as the tile states ive finally started my conversion yesterday will have some pics hopefully later this evening.....

So far ive got the rear of the car on jack stands got the exhaust off tires off, E-brake lines off, shocks disconnected sensors unhooked now i just have to try and get the brake assembly off that the hard part because the brakes have NEVER been of the car ever.... They arent exactly located in a prime spot to get at them to apply any significant force to brake them free so i sprayed them with wd40 (all i have untill i get to store for some PB Blaster) in hopes tolosen them a bit..If that doesnt work the ill just take the lines off the calipers and try to take them off when i drop the rear that way the shocks wont be in the way..

Dont say use an impact gun because i already tried that with a 1100lbs torque 1/2" gun and it didnt even budge it!!!!![down]



vizi

[scoobycarolan]

Wow, and they didn't budge? Good luck on the conversion!

[Charles]

What do you mean, your brakes? The caliper? The disc?

[IceMole]

Lets see some pics!

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

Lets see some pics!

Please

[dblock110]

personall, i would sell te car then buy an AWD, this is insane

[A4CE1]

probably would have saved money and time by selling the fwd and buying an awd... no? good luck!

[/\G]

this is the most ridicluous undertaking I have seen in a while. you have balls my friend...good luck!

[DoThisMyWay]

Nice project! Been following the thread in the B6 section.

[bcramer]

I respect your decision to go this route, but I think you're a fool for doing it.

The ONLY time I think FWD to AWD conversions are a cool thing, is when an AWD of the same car is not offered. Which is obviously not the case this time.

Regardless... Good luck and I hope things turn out the way you want them to.

[ZEM930]

Easier to sell and buy a quattro??? Props for going the extra mile though!

[dougyfresh]

I'm assuming you've been reading this?
http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259582

Good Luck! You'll be stoked once power goes to all four wheels.

[greene08]

Isn't there some extra computer modules you'll need as well to update the traction control and torque split programming? This seems like a MASSIVE undertaking...

[Bllzll]

props for attempting this [up]

BUT, this is going to kill resale value. Can you imagine trying to sell this as a quattro, and then carfax and VIN number showing its a FWD. Then having to explain to the potential buyer that you retrofitted quattro... that person is most likely going to run for the hills before you can even finish explaining.

[kooltechie]

you're a brave man, Viziers.
best of luck!

[Shnab]

I just hope the car will be reliable after doing all this work to it

[viziers]

Hey all ill have an update soon as well as let you know some of thie issues and differences ive found so far and the little mishap i had..[headbang] With pics of course.....[up]


vizi

[viziers]

props for attempting this [up]

BUT, this is going to kill resale value. Can you imagine trying to sell this as a quattro, and then carfax and VIN number showing its a FWD. Then having to explain to the potential buyer that you retrofitted quattro... that person is most likely going to run for the hills before you can even finish explaining.


Resale........ hell the car already has 111,000 miles on it by the time i go to sell her she will probably have close to 300,000 mlies on her.. Yea im not selling this car ever...... Ill own this car until the wheels fall of it.. Then itll be time for the duct tape and bubble gum...[:p]


And as far as sell this and buy a QT well i got a hell of a deal on some of the pieces so it made it worth it for me.. Plus i know exactly how this car has been run and what its been through because im the 1st owner of it...


vizi

[viziers]

Wow, and they didn't budge? Good luck on the conversion!

The bolts that wouldn't come off were the ones that hold the bracket to the wheel spindle i let them sit over night with the WD40 and then when i got the rear out of the car it was much easier to get at them because the shock or anything else wasn't in the way.....



vizi

[viziers]

Isn't there some extra computer modules you'll need as well to update the traction control and torque split programming? This seems like a MASSIVE undertaking...


Nope no modules QT is mechanical from what i understand... And actually this whole conversion is really easy to do.


vizi

[ed1380]

1/2" impact gun pushing 1100ft/lb? you sure its not 3/4 or 1"?

good luck with the conversion.

[viziers]

I just hope the car will be reliable after doing all this work to it

It will still have its reliability when im done.. Everything gets torqued to specs it it has one...


vizi

[viziers]

I'm assuming you've been reading this?
http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259582

Good Luck! You'll be stoked once power goes to all four wheels.

Yup when it all started... lol



P.S. Im still working on the pics for some reason its not letting me post them....[headbang]

vizi

[Quattro]

good luck, post a DIY!!! not sure how many people would attempt this!

props to you sir

[dirtybrd]

Quattro is 100% mechanical. This was just done on a B6, this is the same thing. Everything is just removing FWD parts and replacing them with AWD parts.

[viziers]

Quattro is 100% mechanical. This was just done on a B6, this is the same thing. Everything is just removing FWD parts and replacing them with AWD parts.


Exactly......[wrench]



vizi

[killerb7]

For sure post a DIY. Ill for sure do this.

[harryd14]

this seems llike a serious project... how long do you expect it to take you? good luck with everything tho! and lets see those pic when you get them working!!! [up] [up]

[WayzataAudi]

...you shoulda just done RWD. i dont even know that its possible but you would be prolly the only one on here running one, and itd be sick. good luck though broseff it sounds insane!

[ringofsteel]

when complete I will send you a quattro badge. Congrats, and good luck! QUATTRO FTMW![:D]

[cecaa]

I don't have the courage to do this, but I admire your attitude of the doing the project.

Sure it is easier to sell fwd and buy an awd but I understand it as a passion of modifying cars, same reasoning as selling audi for honda for more power.

whatever it comes out, let us be posted!!
best of luck to you!

[minameismud]

Quattro is 100% mechanical. This was just done on a B6, this is the same thing. Everything is just removing FWD parts and replacing them with AWD parts.

...and...turning the engine 90 degrees...

[LimiTed]

wow. can i send u my quattro badge? u have balls for doing this.

[A4RingPimp]

SUBSCRIBED FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please keep us updated on the progress![wrench][up]

U are going where none of us have gone before! [hail][hail][hail]

[viziers]

...and...turning the engine 90 degrees...



Wrong the motor is longitudal...in the B7's


vizi

[Alkemix]

you beat me to it. By almost an hour.

[viziers]

you beat me to it. By almost an hour.


Lol..... i was wondering what he was talking about at first because my brain was fried out from all the work...lol


vizi

[viziers]

Ok i got everything back together with pics from along the way for got to snap a few but no big deal... But to my question...

I have the STASIS QT Exhaust and when i installed it i first put the entire exhaust on with the bolts and all very losely and the tightened it from the front to the rear and i noticed the the exhaust rest very firmly on the rear crossmember bar ( That bar may not be there on a Qt if anyone wants to check for me) and the exhaust also rides against the rear CV joint gaurds. Is this common on the after market exhausts because the pipe diameter is larger than the stock one.


Where the 7" crossmember bar attaches to the body don't know it the QT has it or not but need to know.. Pic shows where it hits and there is a lot of preassure on that bar frpm the exhaust....
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/ExhausthittingCrossmember.jpg


Here is the Exhaust hitting the CV Heat shield/Protector.....
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/ExhausthittingCVshield2.jpg


vizi

[viziers]

Here are some pics.. More to come..

My Sending unit. Can anyone tell me which connector pin is the POSITIVE side and which is the NEGATIVE side?? Or have a wiring diagram?? i gotta figure out with this harness thing for a temp gas guage until i can get the correct harness..
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/Sendingunit.jpg


Pass Side Electrical Connections.
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/PassengerSideElectricalConnections.jpg

Driver Side Electrical Connections.
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/DriverSideElectricalConnections.jpg

Electrical Connections pass through inside of car.
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/DriveSideInnerElectricalPlugPassThr.jpg



vizi

[minameismud]

Wrong the motor is longitudal...in the B7's


vizi

thought it was mounted transverse in FWDs. my bad.

[viziers]

thought it was mounted transverse in FWDs. my bad.

No big deal..Its always a learning process for everyone.. We learn somthing new everyday.. [wrench] [cool]


vizi

[gfcipriani]

This is a wild mod. props to you for attempting it. hope it all works out - major contribution here! +rep!

[viziers]

This is a wild mod. props to you for attempting it. hope it all works out - major contribution here! +rep!

Thanks man its been interesting thats for sure...


Ok so far the differences are:

1. There are atleat 1 of the two crossmembers on a FWD that are different. The Rear Crossmember may or may nor be the same as the QT front Crossmember
EX: The front Crossmember on a FWD is a flat bar and on a QT it looks to have a dip in it for accomidate the exhaust to hang a bit lower.

2. There is an exhaust hanger that attaches to the mid muffler that isnt on a FWD but is on a QT so to the dealer for that little item...

3. The E-brake cables for a FWD are longer than a QT's cables so they will be replaced. Now it not totally necessary to replace them as i was able to route them as they origianlly were but on the driver side the cable can't exqctly fit around the fuel tank so it cuts across the bottom of the tank and hangs about an inch from the tank. (It works but its to low for me so they will be replaced)

4. The fuel gauge....... Its not working [headbang] because i still need to figure out this little electrical issue. It reads full even with just 5 gal of gas in her...Or i guess i can get a fuel pump with the sender built into it... Anyone have one they want to donate to me??? [:D]


So far the things ive listed are very easy fixes.. But i guess for the next person to do this they will know and can be better prepared with their parts list...Being that im the Guinea pib for the B7 model..[wrench][evilsmile]

vizi

[viziers]

So after this conversion is done then its going in the shop on June 3rd to have the bottom end done Forged rods and a CM fx400 Stage3 clutch.[wrench] Then onto the GT3076r [drive]


vizi

[viziers]

1/2" impact gun pushing 1100ft/lb? you sure its not 3/4 or 1"?

good luck with the conversion.

Yup good ole 1/2" S&K Impact guns....[up]


vizi

[viziers]

good luck, post a DIY!!! not sure how many people would attempt this!

props to you sir

Yes the DIY is comming soon.. Just gotta get it all compiled together and in order. Ill also list the different parts i needed that AWD uses and FWD doesn't.


vizi

[redlabel81]

Crazy!! In a good way :) You must really love your car!
How much do you think this is going to run you when it's all done?

[viziers]

It was roughly $1500 for all parts.. Can be more if you don't shop around take your time to locate parts at good prices plus haggling a bit never hurts either...[>_<]


vizi

[IceMole]

vizi you still need to know about that crossmember brace?

[Josh_877]

damn i havent posted in the b7 section in a long time....and i see this!

haha this is crazy! good luck tho vizi [up][up]

[viziers]

vizi you still need to know about that crossmember brace?

yes i do IceNole thank you..


vizi

[viziers]

damn i havent posted in the b7 section in a long time....and i see this!

haha this is crazy! good luck tho vizi [up][up]


Ha ha... yea it was bound to happen sometime..Im lad i was the first B7 to do it to.. Atleast i think im the first to do it on a B7...lol Thanks Josh....


vizi

[viziers]

Adrian from Euro Source Auto is gonna check to see the differences in the Fuel pump harness from my tank to the tank i have now for the fuel gauge..

vizi

[rusty91]

wow! props to you man for attempting this! good luck!

[viziers]

wow! props to you man for attempting this! good luck!

Thanks Man.... Hope if my time frame works out ill have the motor done in 2 weeks as well for the other mods...[evilsmile]


vizi

[cstarky15]

should be interesting when all done.

for the crossmembers under the car. I only see one and it is closer to the front wheels. this is a picture of my car: the red is part of the exhaust and the green is the cross member:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/cstarky15/untitled1-1.jpg

[Subaru71]

hey, glad to see you finally started! As far as the exhaust goes, that little brace that it is hitting is definitely no there on quattros, but it should have quite a bit of clearance near the CV joints.. so there must be something wrong..

I would say try to remove and wiggle the rear subframe? Maybe the bolts are different than the FWD versions?

And also to everyone else bashing him on this..

1. This car is easier to convert than almost anything.. the engine is longitudinal.. the tranny is in the same place.. its just missing the stuff in the rear.

2. Its actually BETTER that he is converting a car that comes in quattro.. because all the parts are readily available and he can be sure that they all bolt up correctly.. a conversion on another car would involve all kinds of gears and linkage to get the power back.. and then it would still not have enough research to have the AWD working the way you want it to.

3. It would be much harder to go rwd.. because the car has a center differential and a front differential. you would have to invent your own rwd transmission.. which gets costly.

Viz if you need any help let me know.. I've had my rear end off my car before.. so I kinda still remember how everything goes.. also I can look through the repair manual for you. Good Luck!

[AE Performance]

Subscribed! Awesome work!!

[MichiganAudiDvr]

This must be the #1 most stupid thing I have ever seen someone try to do on this forum.

That said...enjoy the immense frustration you are about to cause yourself...I'll pray that it all works once you get all 4 wheels back on.

[viziers]

This must be the #1 most stupid thing I have ever seen someone try to do on this forum.

That said...enjoy the immense frustration you are about to cause yourself...I'll pray that it all works once you get all 4 wheels back on.

Im not trying to be rude but you really dont know what you are talking about this HAS already been done to a B6, and mine is DONE except for the tranny and drive shaft which is going in while the motor is being built. and the QUATTRO system is purely mechanical!!!!!


vizi

[viziers]

should be interesting when all done.

for the crossmembers under the car. I only see one and it is closer to the front wheels. this is a picture of my car: the red is part of the exhaust and the green is the cross member:
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/cstarky15/untitled1-1.jpg

Thats awesome that helps immensly (sp?) SO there is only 1 crossmember and it is in the from and IS angles.. cool. Thank you very much...

+rep for ya my friend...


vizi

[cstarky15]

Thats awesome that helps immensly (sp?) SO there is only 1 crossmember and it is in the from and IS angles.. cool. Thank you very much...

+rep for ya my friend...


vizi

You bet. Let me know if you'd like a better picture of it. Hmm, I'll go drive it up on the ramp and see what I can get you right now. [;)]

[viziers]

Where the 7" crossmember bar attaches to the body don't know it the QT has it or not but need to know.. Pic shows where it hits and there is a lot of preassure on that bar frpm the exhaust....
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/ExhausthittingCrossmember.jpg


I dont know if ya saw this pic but here is the bar that is on a FWD its just behind the mid muffler on the bottom of the pic.

And i have Adrian from Euro Source Auto looking at the fuel tank wireing for a Qt tank..


vizi

[viziers]

hey, glad to see you finally started! As far as the exhaust goes, that little brace that it is hitting is definitely no there on quattros, but it should have quite a bit of clearance near the CV joints.. so there must be something wrong..

I would say try to remove and wiggle the rear subframe? Maybe the bolts are different than the FWD versions?

And also to everyone else bashing him on this..

1. This car is easier to convert than almost anything.. the engine is longitudinal.. the tranny is in the same place.. its just missing the stuff in the rear.

2. Its actually BETTER that he is converting a car that comes in quattro.. because all the parts are readily available and he can be sure that they all bolt up correctly.. a conversion on another car would involve all kinds of gears and linkage to get the power back.. and then it would still not have enough research to have the AWD working the way you want it to.

3. It would be much harder to go rwd.. because the car has a center differential and a front differential. you would have to invent your own rwd transmission.. which gets costly.

Viz if you need any help let me know.. I've had my rear end off my car before.. so I kinda still remember how everything goes.. also I can look through the repair manual for you. Good Luck!

Thank you very much i sure will.......

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

I can Imagine you are dumping your exhaust for a new one right ?

Looks like you did.

FYI for the rest: FWD and QT exhaust are significantly different.

[cstarky15]

Here is a picture of it from the front of the car looking back:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/cstarky15/DSCF0808.jpg

and just for you the part number 8E0-804-813-C It is held in place by 4 screws

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

I have an in tank fuel pump just sitting in my garage PM me if you are interested.

Did you switch to the smaller QT fuel tank ???

[MichiganAudiDvr]

Im not trying to be rude but you really dont know what you are talking about this HAS already been done to a B6, and mine is DONE except for the tranny and drive shaft which is going in while the motor is being built. and the QUATTRO system is purely mechanical!!!!!


vizi

So what? What's the point of "retro" modding AWD? Still stupid. In the end you just get what everyone else has from the factory - only your "retro version" will never officially have AWD when you run the VIN.

Why not buy a different car if you want Quattro. Lot easier, and will probably cost you much less if you are smart about your purchase and sale.

[Ur-Quattro]

This must be the #1 most stupid thing I have ever seen someone try to do on this forum.

That said...enjoy the immense frustration you are about to cause yourself...I'll pray that it all works once you get all 4 wheels back on.

[>_>] [down][down][down][down][down][down][down][down]

In regards to the second worthless contribution you just made to this discussion, obviously you didn't even bother to, ya know, READ THE THREAD. He specifically says there is no plan to sell the car......jackass

What did the hand say to the face again....?

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/image/monkey-slap.jpg

Good luck, vizi - +rep to you for this, as well!

[viziers]

So what? What's the point of "retro" modding AWD? Still stupid. In the end you just get what everyone else has from the factory - only your "retro version" will never officially have AWD when you run the VIN.

Why not buy a different car if you want Quattro. Lot easier, and will probably cost you much less if you are smart about your purchase and sale.

Well if you read the whold thread you would see why i have not traded this in for a QT.......Oh and no its is cheaer for me to do the conversion than to buy one that already has QT!!!!

Just because the VIN says its a FWD it doesnt take a genius to look under the car to see that its a QT [rolleyes]

vizi

[viziers]

I can Imagine you are dumping your exhaust for a new one right ?

Looks like you did.

FYI for the rest: FWD and QT exhaust are significantly different.

yea i went with the Satsis QT exhaust i picked it up from the good man Subaru71. thanks agaon man!!!![up]


vizi

[viziers]

Here is a picture of it from the front of the car looking back:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/cstarky15/DSCF0808.jpg

and just for you the part number 8E0-804-813-C It is held in place by 4 screws


Yup thats the baby i need!!!!! Thanks a bunch again cstarky15...[hail][up]


vizi

[viziers]

I have an in tank fuel pump just sitting in my garage PM me if you are interested.

If need be i sure will thanks a bunch.....[up]

Did you switch to the smaller QT fuel tank ???


Nope this sucker is a tight fit and took i think about 17gal from being completly empty....


vizi

[viziers]

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Good luck, vizi - +rep to you for this, as well!

Thanks man i appreciate it...[up]


vizi

[ringofsteel]

vizi, fuck that negative dooooooosch! Awesome on the build. Some people may have forgotten how to BUILD cars. SOME people think that you should just buy it having someone else do the work. That is straight laziness. Hot rods, choppers, euro are about customizing and making ones own. Props to you have the money,time effort, imagination to take this on.[:D][up]

oh and this coming from a LAWYER answers alot, and having:

* About MichiganAudiDvr

Current Vehicle Modifications:
APR 93, RS4 Rear Sway Bar, APR Snub Mount, LED city lights, E-Code Bi-Xenon conversion, 15/35% Tint, "G" revision diverter valve, new high pressure fuel pump and cam.
Location:
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Occupation:
Attorney
My Garage:
06 Audi A4Q 2.0T, Arctic White

Why didnt you just save your time and money and buy a used car with all this already on it.?? DOOOOOOSCH BAG!

[Msu2312]

all i can say is good for you for doing this:) ignore the haters and shoot us pics when its done ! +rep

[viziers]

Thank you all for the support, It is greatly appreciated...

Ill be posting up pics as well as a DIY with pics along the way...


vizi

[Subaru71]

:D

[4RingRook]

Kick ass project!

Props to you vizi! [up]

[4RingRook]

So what? What's the point of "retro" modding AWD? Still stupid. In the end you just get what everyone else has from the factory - only your "retro version" will never officially have AWD when you run the VIN.

Why not buy a different car if you want Quattro. Lot easier, and will probably cost you much less if you are smart about your purchase and sale.

http://www.noobstore.com/prodimages/sign-gtfo-art-280.gif

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

Do people understand this car is going all out BT ?

This car is never going back to the dealer to be sold as stock.

Its going to get the shit driven off it, then a connoisseur might be able to get its hand on it in a few years down the road.

I see true enthusiast are scarce ...

Look at me I have a chip, I already done more to the car than 75% of Audi drivers. That must a VAG guru.

[volcomic]

Nice work! Welcome to the Quattro club [up]

[Unleaded20T]

props to you my friend, i wish i had the balls to do something closer to what you are doing.

if you dont mind asking when you post the DIY, can you please consider posting the price of all the parts?

[volcomic]

if you dont mind asking when you post the DIY, can you please consider posting the price of all the parts?

He said it was $1500, but he also mentioned that he got some good deals on some of the parts...


It was roughly $1500 for all parts.. Can be more if you don't shop around take your time to locate parts at good prices plus haggling a bit never hurts either...[>_<]

[ABL2point0T]

I say good job, this is an interesting build and he's from NC too. Props[up]

[viziers]

Do people understand this car is going all out BT ?

This car is never going back to the dealer to be sold as stock.

Its going to get the shit driven off it, then a connoisseur might be able to get its hand on it in a few years down the road.

I see true enthusiast are scarce ...

Look at me I have a chip, I already done more to the car than 75% of Audi drivers. That must a VAG guru.

HID is correct there is a BT in the very near future!!!! Its just gonna take a bit of time gotta take rests due to a broken/healing neck [headbang]


vizi

[viziers]

Nice work! Welcome to the Quattro club [up]



Thank you.

vizi

[viziers]

I say good job, this is an interesting build and he's from NC too. Props[up]


Yup i am in Nc. There are now 2 awd conversions in Nc 02VW1.8T and me..


vizi

[viziers]

The one thing that stinks is the conditions i have to work in GRAVEL driveway, granted ive done it this way all my life......

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/DSCF1737-1.jpg


So in my old age ive gotton a weeeee little bit wiser and came up with this!!
















Its a 3/4" x 2' x 4' pressure treated plywood with two pieces of 22gauge plate steel bolted to the plywood w/wooden supports on the back to control flexing.. Works great with a hydraulic jack with good amount of space for movement....[up][:D]
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/DSCF1756-1.jpg

[IceMole]

Glad someone got you a pic, I had to leave town and couldn't get to my car, and you did it yet on gravel, that's serious business [wrench]

[viziers]

Glad someone got you a pic, I had to leave town and couldn't get to my car, and you did it yet on gravel, that's serious business [wrench]


Yes i did thanks... Yea gravel is a B**** to work on!!!!


vizi

[scoobycarolan]

That dude Michigan is a dick. He rants and raves all over here about how he's raced cars and is smarter than the entire collective here.

Can anyone tell me how to block certain users? I'd rather not see his jibber jabber anymore.

V, keep rocking! Once you get some since even 4 wheel drift going you'll be stoked!

[MichiganAudiDvr]

That dude Michigan is a dick. He rants and raves all over here about how he's raced cars and is smarter than the entire collective here.

Can anyone tell me how to block certain users? I'd rather not see his jibber jabber anymore.

V, keep rocking! Once you get some since even 4 wheel drift going you'll be stoked!

Thanks for the compliments. I simply asked, why not buy a different car...
even if going big turbo, which sounds like it won't happen for a while. I understand if someone wants to do the conversion for the fun of it - is that the reason?

And I can understand going BT and doing that on your own - actual improvement.

I am not "smarter" nor did I say it can't be done. I am just asking why do it if you are not really making it any better than the stock quattro setup. Will this setup be better than the stock quattro setup?

I don't think I have ever ranted and raved about racing cars or being smarter. I have said in another thread that I don't think our stock tranny and stock internals can support 450hp...but I encourage all to try it and find out. That's been my only other criticism on this forum.

That said...I will not post in this thread again.

[viziers]

Thanks for the compliments. I simply asked, why not buy a different car...
even if going big turbo, which sounds like it won't happen for a while. I understand if someone wants to do the conversion for the fun of it - is that the reason?

And I can understand going BT and doing that on your own - actual improvement.

I am not "smarter" nor did I say it can't be done. I am just asking why do it if you are not really making it any better than the stock quattro setup. Will this setup be better than the stock quattro setup?

I don't think I have ever ranted and raved about racing cars or being smarter. I have said in another thread that I don't think our stock tranny and stock internals can support 450hp...but I encourage all to try it and find out. That's been my only other criticism on this forum.

That said...I will not post in this thread again.


OK..To make it plain and simple!! I hope!!!

Q: Why not buy a different car?
A: Because by the time i sold my Front Wheel Drive car WITH 113,000 miles on it id get next to nothing say $10,000 for it And i would then end up having to add thousands of dollars say $10,00 ontop of the other 10 grand making 20 grand to get an All Wheel Drive car. So why not do the conversion for the 1500 and use the other 8500 on other mods!!

Make sense?? Ok lets move on to the next question shall we??

Q:I am just asking why do it if you are not really making it any better than the stock quattro setup.
A:Of course it wont be better than the current All Wheel Drive system BUT IT WILL be better than a Front Wheel Drive car WHICH is what i have now!

Get it?? Ok lets move on the statement you had ok??


Your Statement: I am just asking why do it if you are not really making it any better than the stock quattro setup.
A: Good thing i stated that i was putting in IE Drop Ins. AKA: Integrated Engineering Forged Rods...


Are we straight now?????

By the way i dont mind you posting just reread and think about what you are typing so we can avoid all this confusion of yours...Ok??


vizi

[Ur-Quattro]

......
That said...I will not post in this thread again.

[:D]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44724000/jpg/_44724277_crowd416.jpg

[outlaw77]

wow good job so far. I was going to do this to my 01 jetta a while back but I never got through it. Good luck!

[viziers]

I would imagine it would be a lot more difficult with a jetta no?? With the Audi all the holes and everything else are already there..


vizi

[Subaru71]

the jetta probably had very similar underpinnings to the golf.. that being said he could possibly use R32 parts. :D also very interesting

[outlaw77]

I would imagine it would be a lot more difficult with a jetta no?? With the Audi all the holes and everything else are already there..


vizi

Yea a lot more difficult. But that car wasn't worth it in the end. The main reason was because the car would have lost too much of the structural rigitity and would have been too unsafe for the raod.

[scoobycarolan]

Since I know your still trolling around here even though you won't reply..


So what? What's the point of "retro" modding AWD? Still stupid.

I took the Quattro badges off my car, luckily I'll be able to prove it by carrying a carfax with me. Maybe I'll tape it to the window so nobody gets confused...

V, your the man. You should think about running the Stasis diff too.

[viziers]

Since I know your still trolling around here even though you won't reply..



I took the Quattro badges off my car, luckily I'll be able to prove it by carrying a carfax with me. Maybe I'll tape it to the window so nobody gets confused...

V, your the man. You should think about running the Stasis diff too.

Been thinking about the STASIS diff since i started planning this whole project but prob wont happen until sometime down the road. We'll see.....[evilsmile][wrench]


vizi

[Msu2312]

i have a question, since you used to have a fwd set up the exhaust you had the stasis are you dumping it or are you customly changing the fitment? if that makes any sence....

[D-techniK]

Props to you on your build.
Stasis exhaust looks good!

[viziers]

i have a question, since you used to have a fwd set up the exhaust you had the stasis are you dumping it or are you customly changing the fitment? if that makes any sence....

If you mean the stock FWD exhaust? Im gonna try to sell it i guess i have to use for it becuase it will not fit the car anymore bieng its a QUATTRO now... Or if you mean the STASIS Quattro exhaust which i do not have to modify because the car is now QUATTRO.... Was i able to answer your question??


vizi

[viziers]

Props to you on your build.
Stasis exhaust looks good!



Thaks man!!![up]


vizi

[rusty91]

vizi, you tell all the haters! once again good luck!

[Ur-Quattro]

If you mean the stock FWD exhaust? Im gonna try to sell it i guess i have to use for it becuase it will not fit the car anymore bieng its a QUATTRO now... Or if you mean the STASIS Quattro exhaust which i do not have to modify because the car is now QUATTRO.... Was i able to answer your question??


vizi

I think he's looking at your sig and seeing you have Stasis Exhaust, which would obviously be for an FWD since that's what your car is/was. He wants to know if you're altering the Stasis FWD exhaust system or just replacing it for a Quattro exhaust system.

This whole process of asking and answering questions might be solved if you both bothered to type error-free, coherent posts - lol. [:D]

[Msu2312]

If you mean the stock FWD exhaust? Im gonna try to sell it i guess i have to use for it becuase it will not fit the car anymore bieng its a QUATTRO now... Or if you mean the STASIS Quattro exhaust which i do not have to modify because the car is now QUATTRO.... Was i able to answer your question??


vizi


ok mabye im confused... did you have the stasis on the fwd build or did you already buy the quattro stasis for your new build?

[Msu2312]

on second thought i dont even thinks stasis makes a fwd version of there exhaust do they?

[viziers]

ok mabye im confused... did you have the stasis on the fwd build or did you already buy the quattro stasis for your new build?


Haha ha.... I had the STASIS exhaust for the new build stored in my shed.

EDIT: Nope they make it only for the QUATTRO cars..


vizi

[Msu2312]

haha ok gotcha

[Subaru71]

yep, he bought the Stasis off my quattro a while ago

is it clearing the axles now?

[viziers]

yep, he bought the Stasis off my quattro a while ago

is it clearing the axles now?


Yup since i took the rear crossmember off it clears the rear perfectly... Tomorrow ill get the front cross member from Audi and it will be all set as far as the exhaust goes then ill finish up with the fuel gauge....


It was quite some time ago huh that i got that from ya... Dang i was sitting on it for some time...lol

vizi

[Msu2312]

so how far along are you before the car is driveable? percentage wise what would you say and how longs it been since day one?

[viziers]

so how far along are you before the car is driveable? percentage wise what would you say and how longs it been since day one?


Currently the car is drivable i just have the rear end the fuel tank and the exhaust in you don't need the drive shaft or tranny to be in to drive it because its still technically a FWD until i put the other 2 pieces in... Which will be on June 3 when it goes to the shop to have the rest done as well as a the forged rods will be put in as well as a few other goodies...[:D]

All in all the work that i did (Rear end, Fuel tank and exhaust)can be done in 3 days or less provided you have all the parts needed, and provides your not doing this with Major injuries like me.....[o_o]

vizi

[bblume]

Enjoy this stuff!!!
Few may ever go down your path and for that you should be proud!
Although I wonder if it would be worth it while you're down there to throw a diff on with a different ratio! Just a thought!!
GL

[Msu2312]

lol well keep up the good work make sure we get pics when its done!

[SilverBullets]

im way to lazy to ever do something like this... I give you props... its impressive... i only scanned the page quickly, but is it possible to go RWD? That would be sick

[scoobycarolan]

I was wondering about the feasability of RWD too, but the mechanics would be a bitch. The center diff is setup to send a percentage to the front. That would have to be swapped & custom. Then all the front driveline would have to be pulled to help get rid of the weight on non-drive wheels. Then a custom CO kit to accomodate the weight and power differences. Not sure, but do Stasis' Cup Cars keep quattro??

[viziers]

I know 02VW1.8T had also did this conversion and was RWD for a good while he even did auto-x with it being RWD


vizi

[evilgabbie]

Great work man !!!!!!! post more pics pics pics

[viziers]

Three more days them my baby's motor goes under the wrench and the conversion gets completed......[wrench] [up]

Hey guys if anyone is feeling REALLY ambitious i need the part number from the harness.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/DSCF1707-1.jpg

EDIT: There is a 4th connector that should go to the sending unit on driver side rear that isnt pictured in the photo because this harness is for the FWD car. Sorry for the confusion.....

Thanks in advance..

vizi

[Rotond0000]

Love to see haters hate. Because when you finish, (succesfully) then the smile on your face is even bigger than it would normally be. Good Luck. Awesome work, great attitude. You definatley know what your doing, this thread is inspirational!

+1 Rep to you sir, and have fun with your new Quattro!!![drive]

~Matt

[viziers]

Love to see haters hate. Because when you finish, (succesfully) then the smile on your face is even bigger than it would normally be. Good Luck. Awesome work, great attitude. You definatley know what your doing, this thread is inspirational!

+1 Rep to you sir, and have fun with your new Quattro!!![drive]

~Matt


Thank you for the kind words.....I just can't wait untill Saturday when i get her back in my posession..[drive] Cant wait to see how the Clutch Masters FX400 feels... Then ill prob go to Revo stage 2 maybe....


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Three more days them my baby's motor goes under the wrench and the conversion gets completed......[wrench] [up]

Hey guys if anyone is feeling REALLY ambitious i need the part number from the harness.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/DSCF1707-1.jpg

There is a 4th connector that shouls go to the sending unit on driver side rear that isnt pictured in the photo.

Thanks in advance..

vizi

So all we need is this harness to get the gas gauge to work... The weird thing is my quattro fuel tank came with the connector plug on the drivers side of the tank. Let me know if you get it to work lol, im getting lazy

[viziers]

So all we need is this harness to get the gas gauge to work... The weird thing is my quattro fuel tank came with the connector plug on the drivers side of the tank. Let me know if you get it to work lol, im getting lazy

I sure will.. Mine came with a plug too......I hate it not knowing exactly what i have for fuel...lol



vizi

[viziers]

Well all i just got back from dropping my car off to the shop for the rest of the week whos gonna fininsh the conversion while I have to motor out to be rebuilt with new rods and stuff...[wrench] [hail]

I'll post pics hopefully on Saturday of the motor build and also hopefully finish the DIY for the conversion for anybody that may be interested...[up] [:D]


vizi

[viziers]

Man that was quick.. They already have the engine and tranny out of the car...


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07821.jpg


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07851.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07861.jpg


vizi

[ElCapitan464]

wow man looks awesome, can't wait to see the car when it's done, and want to see that diy

[Ur-Quattro]

Throw some shocks/springs or CO's on that bitch while it's out! [>_<]

[viziers]

Throw some shocks/springs or CO's on that bitch while it's out! [>_<]



I was thinking about it but thats going to have to wait for a little bit unfortunately...


HEhe there is another thread about the build somewhere else as well on the internet...[:D]

vizi

[viziers]

Great news... I found out that I have the B cam in my car so that saves me a bit of grief of having to replace it.......
Cant wait to get her back cause now I can go HPFP upgrade....

Oh by the way here are some new pics below for ya all to see courtesy of Mike Ngo (Owner ) of Eurowise.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07551.jpg
Clutch Masters FX400
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07581.jpg

The AWD tranny mike is going to install for me
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP08401.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP08311.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP08281.jpg

Theres Mike getting his hands dirty thanks Mike for everything.......
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP08271.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP08261.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP08241.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP08231.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP08121.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07971.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07951.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/DSC_00231.jpg


Is it me or do those pistons look like Wossners
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07921.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07911.jpg

Boy do those stock rods look puny....
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07901.jpg

Hope you all enjoyed them as much as i did......


vizi

[Ur-Quattro]

Damn man, you are gonna be able to put some serious power down w/ those thicker piston rods.......can't wait to see what you can throw on now that you got rods, new tranny, clutch, the right cams, etc.......hot!!! [up]

[djwimbo]

Boy do those stock rods look puny....
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt89/vizierspty/_IGP07901.jpg

They are puny.

I'm keeping an eye on this.

Has anybody found the upper limitations of the stock pistons yet? I haven't kept up with or heard any of the secretive news on this build, are you keeping it stock C/R?

[Ur-Quattro]

I think there are other elements of the engine/drivetrain that are too weak to support higher output aside from the pistons, like A cams (gets abnormal lobe wear)....just my novice speculation combined with how much time I spent browsing the boards, though. [:D]

[viziers]

They are puny.

I'm keeping an eye on this.

Has anybody found the upper limitations of the stock pistons yet? I haven't kept up with or heard any of the secretive news on this build, are you keeping it stock C/R?


Yes i'm goint to keep stock c/r.... As far as the pistons i "think" the pistons can handle up to 600chp... but again im not sure and i don't think anyone else is sure yet either on these motors...


vizi

[djwimbo]

I think there are other elements of the engine/drivetrain that are too weak to support higher output aside from the pistons, like A cams (gets abnormal lobe wear)....just my novice speculation combined with how much time I spent browsing the boards, though. [:D]

I'm fully aware of other limitations, I'm just curious if it's been determined yet. Either by failure or by testing.

Installing rods isn't a very big task(at least to me), and I'm only curious if that's the only mechanical weak link in the short block preventing 500+bhp builds.

EDIT: Thanks vizi

[viziers]

I think there are other elements of the engine/drivetrain that are too weak to support higher output aside from the pistons, like A cams (gets abnormal lobe wear)....just my novice speculation combined with how much time I spent browsing the boards, though. [:D]

Thank god I found out today that i have a B cam even on a first model year new production car..

EDIT: No problen...lol

vizi

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

I had a B cam to and it failed on me.

You have to check the cam follower every 5K.

[viziers]

I had a B cam to and it failed on me.

You have to check the cam follower every 5K.

That is correct....There is no permanant fix for us unfortunately well unless you get rid of the car but thats not an option..


vizi

[Geoffafa]

Great build man!

I follow everyday, hopefully maybe one day ill join the AWD team. hehe

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

Great build man!

I follow everyday, hopefully maybe one day ill join the AWD team. hehe

I'm already trying to figure out the pedal placement for an MT swap.

[viziers]

I'm already trying to figure out the pedal placement for an MT swap.

Yea that pedel placement should already be there right?? I mean its probably the same body for that to, just different hardware...

Im still trying to figure out the fuel gauge situation but need a vag-com first to try out a theory i have..


vizi

[viziers]

Well it looks like ill be getting my car back on Wed when im off work. There happens to be some vibration in the driveline.. It can only be 1 of three things the driveshaft, tranny or the new Clutch Masters FX400.


vizi

[ABL2point0T]

Gl getting all the kinks worked out.

[viziers]

Ill find out on Monday from Mike as to what the culprit is or was...


vizi

[viziers]

Woohoo FINALLY DONE......... The whole conversion is done along with the new IE drop-in rods and the Clutch Masters FX400 clutch is in, and i must say it sure does grab very solid.. Thank you all for your help with the minor issues that arose.

Thanks to the following:
02VW1.8T
Shawn from 1552
cstarky15 for the crossmember pic & part #'s
Issam from 034
EuroSoureAuto for misc parts needed on the fly
Euro-Wise who helped with the finishing of the conversion and motor build

If i have forgot to mention anyone else please let me know.

P.S. I'll have the DIY in a week or 2 i still need to finish up some cosmetic stuff on the underside.


vizi

[maka]

holy crap, congrats. this must have been one hell of a take on and you pulled it off.

[volcomic]

Woohoo FINALLY DONE......... The whole conversion is done along with the new IE drop-in rods and the Clutch Masters FX400 clutch is in, and i must say it sure does grab very solid.. Thank you all for your help with the minor issues that arose.
vizi

[wrench] [race] [hail] Congrats!

[viziers]

holy crap, congrats. this must have been one hell of a take on and you pulled it off.

Actually if the person who does this has some mechanical know how its pretty easy.. I still need to work out the fuel gauge but I think I can get it I just have to get a vag-com...


vizi

[viziers]

[wrench] [race] [hail] Congrats!

Thank you very much...


vizi

[minameismud]

Actually if the person who does this has some mechanical know how its pretty easy.. I still need to work out the fuel gauge but I think I can get it I just have to get a vag-com...


vizi

you did all this and you don't even have a vag-com? isn't that like the first thing you're supposed to get as an audi modder?

all kidding aside, [hail][hail][hail]

[AudiA4_20T]

Woohoo FINALLY DONE......... The whole conversion is done along with the new IE drop-in rods and the Clutch Masters FX400 clutch is in, and i must say it sure does grab very solid.. Thank you all for your help with the minor issues that arose.

Thanks to the following:
Shawn from 1552
cstarky15 for the crossmember pic & part #'s
Issam from 034
EuroSoureAuto for misc parts needed on the fly
Euro-Wise who helped with the finishing of the conversion and motor build

If i have forgot to mention anyone else please let me know.

P.S. I'll have the DIY in a week or 2 i still need to finish up some cosmetic stuff on the underside.


vizi

no love for Peter (02VW1.8T)?

[viziers]

you did all this and you don't even have a vag-com? isn't that like the first thing you're supposed to get as an audi modder?

all kidding aside, [hail][hail][hail]

Lol... I'm just that good....lol j/k I've been looking at getting one for a while now..


vizi

[viziers]

no love for Peter (02VW1.8T)?

Thank you....[up][:D]


vizi

[O2VW1.8T]

Woohoo FINALLY DONE......... The whole conversion is done along with the new IE drop-in rods and the Clutch Masters FX400 clutch is in, and i must say it sure does grab very solid.. Thank you all for your help with the minor issues that arose.

Thanks to the following:
02VW1.8T
Shawn from 1552
cstarky15 for the crossmember pic & part #'s
Issam from 034
EuroSoureAuto for misc parts needed on the fly
Euro-Wise who helped with the finishing of the conversion and motor build

If i have forgot to mention anyone else please let me know.

P.S. I'll have the DIY in a week or 2 i still need to finish up some cosmetic stuff on the underside.


vizi

Nice job dude, On the fuel issue.I tried messing with it on vag-com and it seems to work right now when it gets half way its still off. Im going to take my stock FWD fuel sending unit and install it in the quattro tank and see if it fits.

[viziers]

Nice job dude, On the fuel issue.I tried messing with it on vag-com and it seems to work right now when it gets half way its still off. Im going to take my stock FWD fuel sending unit and install it in the quattro tank and see if it fits.



Thanks man... About the fuel pump... I was thinking about doing the same thing..lol


vizi

[viziers]

Ok I have submitted a FWD to AWD diy to the admins. If they feel its worthy then they will post it in the DIY section if not sorry all. I made it as complete as my puny little brain can make it...lol


vizi

[Hyphy]

Nice project. Glad it went well. +rep

[Geoffafa]

Congrats man, hell of an undertaking, hopefully you can put the quattro to good use [:D]

[viziers]

Nice project. Glad it went well. +rep

Thanks man....Ill find out how well it went on Friday when I go to have the X-rays on my neck done to see if I fubared the fuzion process up or not.... Dont worry I kinda already knew id have to have another surgery prob to have another set of rods put in the back this time.. so much fun....lol


vizi

[viziers]

Congrats man, hell of an undertaking, hopefully you can put the quattro to good use [:D]

Ohhh I sure will.. I'm now waiting for Jay to finish the ram horn manifold for the GT3076.. That will be the final stage for the car, atleast until i find somthing else to do...lol


vizi

[ManiacuV6]

Congratulations for your work. For Fuel gauge quattro systems use 2 sensors (one for each side means each part of fuel tank) So i will post the wires that you need to connect to instrument cluster and coddings that you neeed to do.
2 wire to connect to instrument cluster won't hurt :D

[Elliott]

Kind of a necrobump... but while it's up here..

This has been an awesome build! Props for all of the work. I know NC has been getting some snow this season so I'm sure having quattro is an awesome thing to have.

[GarrettReid]

I didn't read through the entire 163 replies, but did this ever eventually work? Can we has DIY?

[viziers]

Congratulations for your work. For Fuel gauge quattro systems use 2 sensors (one for each side means each part of fuel tank) So i will post the wires that you need to connect to instrument cluster and coddings that you neeed to do.
2 wire to connect to instrument cluster won't hurt :D


From my understanding there is a complete seperate wiring harness for AWD cars... As of now my fuel gauge is roughly 50 miles off because of the new LPFP I have and the way it sits in the tank.... But id still be interested to see the schematics if you have them.... Thank you.


Kind of a necrobump... but while it's up here..

This has been an awesome build! Props for all of the work. I know NC has been getting some snow this season so I'm sure having quattro is an awesome thing to have.


Thanks, its been a fun project...


I didn't read through the entire 163 replies, but did this ever eventually work? Can we has DIY?


Yes it has worked from day one and have put approximately 30k sine it has been converted.... Here is the DIY for it below.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/381996-FWD-to-AWD-DIY-for-those-interested!?highlight=




vizi