S366 mounted on Topmount Tubular Mani

[2L8ULUZ]

Spy shot. should be running soon[drive]
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/IMG_0080.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/IMG_0081.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/CopyofIMG_0077.jpg

[Das General]

Who runs a BWs366?!?!?

[Stone825]

How much power are you expecting?

[2L8ULUZ]

How much power are you expecting? No power goals yet, I run this turbo. I use to run a Gt35r and wanted more [up]

[VZWalex]

i wanna put grape jelly on it and lick it off......

[Das General]

No power goals yet, I run this turbo. I use to run a Gt35r and wanted more [up]

Well you will certainly get it!

Is it a singlescroll or twin? What are you running for ECU, standalone?

Sounds like a nice setup.

[2L8ULUZ]

Its a single. I was running the tapp tune. I own the tapp car as well. I have 034 on the new car.

[317ssayzarc]

Nice Dom, I replied on vortex too [cool]

The non MK4 company is nice here, don't ya think?

[2L8ULUZ]

Nice Dom, I replied on vortex too [cool]

The non MK4 company is nice here, don't ya think? Ya forsure. we dont need slicks to run fast times. hows your car coming along

[317ssayzarc]

If I could get the standalone finally finished and reliable, that's it, it's done...

[A4Rob]

So what are your goals? What supporting mods? More info please!

Slapping a huge turbo on doesn't mean much until you tell us your plan.

[jrock]

HOLY FUC*!!!

[michael66899]

Badass my friend, I love the new BW turbos. This things gonna be a beast, care to share a more extensive parts list including motor and head work? Good luck and can't wait to see it running!

[Rhinop21]

sexi

[lowandslow4now]

thats going to be nice cant wait to see it done.[:)]

[pipe7284]

nice!!!!!
post more details on the motor

[b5a4gt28]

Whats size injectors? Also Im guessing thats a custom manifold? Btw all that wiring looks fun[rolleyes]

[2L8ULUZ]

Whats size injectors? Also Im guessing thats a custom manifold? Btw all that wiring looks fun[rolleyes]
I use the run this same motor in my 97 a4 now I have a 2000 Audi that the build is going into. Some specs 2L aba Oringed 83.5 bore with Crower rods and Cp Pistons. Arp mains and rod bolts, Raceware Head studs. Stock Aeb head. waiting on some parts for it. S366R turbo. 034 EFI 1000cc injecotors and dual walbro 255 pumps. Spec stage 3+ unsprung disk 6spd S4 tranny. and list goes on

[AudiA4_20T]

stock AEB head? why? I would at a minimum do the whole valvetrain but you really really need a port and some cams with that bad boy.

Looks rediculous good luck [up]

[2L8ULUZ]

So what are your goals? What supporting mods? More info please!

Slapping a huge turbo on doesn't mean much until you tell us your plan.

Plans to be the fastest A4 100% stock trim again. like none drag tires or any weight reduction
stock head for now, new head is in the works. still not sure what I wanna do to it, the old head had cams and it worked nice.

[onemoremile]

Nice project! Must be the skinniest o-rings ever. Didn't think there was enough room to fit them with an 83.5 bore.

[mike-2ptzero]

Nice project! Must be the skinniest o-rings ever. Didn't think there was enough room to fit them with an 83.5 bore.

Pretty sure there is plenty of room for 83.5mm bore in a ABA and there is plenty in a 1.8 block seeing that I have been running 83.5mm for 6 years.

[solowb5]

I can already see where this thread is going....so sad :(

On an uppity note I hope to be running a borg warner by the end of summer so I'll be watching your thread. The high psi efficiency has me hard. Soon I'll have to go have my penis drained at the hospital.

Forgot to mention. Love the large radial lip inlet. Gives it a better flow just as the cnc velocity stacks that are being used in the upper end intake manifolds! That is something I am going to look into creating, but with slight differences then that.

[mike-2ptzero]

I can already see where this thread is going....so sad :(

On an uppity note I hope to be running a borg warner by the end of summer so I'll be watching your thread. The high psi efficiency has me hard. Soon I'll have to go have my penis drained at the hospital.

I am also going BW 91-79 T4 TS, hope to have it done next month. Pretty much pushed the limits of the 35r to 600+whp, now it is time to set my sights on 700+whp and 9's.

[jrock]

You bored it but didnt stroke it?...

[mike-2ptzero]

You bored it but didnt stroke it?...

He has a ABA block which is already 2 liter. He posted that up above.

[jrock]

O sry, didnt even notice that...Just did a quick skim

[bernB5]

I am also going BW 91-79 T4 TS, hope to have it done next month. Pretty much pushed the limits of the 35r to 600+whp, now it is time to set my sights on 700+whp and 9's.

irrelevant.

as for the OP, setup looks sick.. looking forward to the results. but why not go solid lifter so you can rev safely to 9-10k and take advantage of that turbo?

[mike-2ptzero]

irrelevant.

as for the OP, setup looks sick.. looking forward to the results. but why not go solid lifter so you can rev safely to 9-10k and take advantage of that turbo?

He might need to at some point if he really wants to take advantage of that turbo he is using. It is basically equal in size to a GT4088, he will be lucky to hit 20psi by 5k-5500 rpm.


Not exactly all irrelevant. I posted it because some people feel the 35r might not be enough power even though they might not have pushed the 35r all that hard. Bigger might mean more peak hp but it doesn't mean you will end up with a better power band.

[4inchMAF]

is this stock AEB head just temporary? seems like springs ,ex valves, Ti retainers, some BIG cams, and a hell of a port job would be the bare minimum to get any semblance of a power band out of this.....

[B518T]

updates? up an running?

[solowb5]

There was no irrelevency with his post. I stated I'll be watching the out come of that turbo and Mike just simply stated he was going to be running one too. Meaning to watch him also for my knowledge. On to people that understand thing. Just as the guy stated earlier that he has a head being built, but is using the stock head for now to get it running first. I will only agree to use solid lifters and huge came just bc he is making this a DRAG ONLY car.

[bernB5]

There was no irrelevency with his post. I stated I'll be watching the out come of that turbo and Mike just simply stated he was going to be running one too. Meaning to watch him also for my knowledge. On to people that understand thing. Just as the guy stated earlier that he has a head being built, but is using the stock head for now to get it running first. I will only agree to use solid lifters and huge came just bc he is making this a DRAG ONLY car.

ehh, i'll agree to disagree. no big deal. he justified it in his last post.

as for solid lifters only being appropriate because it's a drag car, i'd say it's just because of the turbo. that turbo will be a waste with a hydro-lifter head and an 8000rpm redline.

[mike-2ptzero]

ehh, i'll agree to disagree. no big deal. he justified it in his last post.

as for solid lifters only being appropriate because it's a drag car, i'd say it's just because of the turbo. that turbo will be a waste with a hydro-lifter head and an 8000rpm redline.

There are a few 1.8t owners running hydro lifters to 9k. I would but my power peaks before 7k rpm now and I am still running mild cams. Its just not a great idea to run solids on a street driven car since that tends to mean putting plenty of miles on them and more servicing of the solid setup.

[sean1.8t]

There are a few 1.8t owners running hydro lifters to 9k. I would but my power peaks before 7k rpm now and I am still running mild cams. Its just not a great idea to run solids on a street driven car since that tends to mean putting plenty of miles on them and more servicing of the solid setup.

sort of on topic, but Mike, you'd probably know this, what do the Evo/Honda guys run for lifters that allow them 10+k redlines? hydro, solid, or something else? and at what RPM they tend up upgrade their stock lifters?

[onemoremile]

Pretty sure there is plenty of room for 83.5mm bore in a ABA and there is plenty in a 1.8 block seeing that I have been running 83.5mm for 6 years.

You have o-rings?

[mike-2ptzero]

You have o-rings?

Oh I missed the fact that he mentioned having the block/head o-ringed. No mine isnt and I havent ran into a problem needing it even at 37psi.


How much more meat is on the ABA block compared to the 058 block?

AEB head
http://www.centralvalleyspeed.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10093/normal_034valves03.jpg

83.5mm 058 block
http://www.centralvalleyspeed.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10093/stockgasket.jpg

[onemoremile]

83.5mm bore is fine but it doesn't leave any room for rubber. That is what I was getting at. Head gaskets with copper rings might work but I don't know if any are available. If you've made it this far without them then they don't seem necessary.

[2L8ULUZ]

updates? up an running?

Its all ready to be started when I get back home in 2 weeks, cant wait[wrench]

[speeding-g60]

I, too, run the 366, but mine is 366XL, divided inlet T4 1.00 A/R with twin scroll manifold.... 1600's and will run it on E85. twin 044's. SM4. twin vband Tial 38's. drag only. solid lifter AEB. and on and on....

i would post a shot or two but its not my thread.....

now i know of another one to watch :)

BYE BYE VWKotex....

[sean1.8t]

I, too, run the 366, but mine is 366XL, divided inlet T4 1.00 A/R with twin scroll manifold.... 1600's and will run it on E85. twin 044's. SM4. twin vband Tial 38's. drag only. solid lifter AEB. and on and on....

i would post a shot or two but its not my thread.....

now i know of another one to watch :)

BYE BYE VWKotex....

sounds like you're gunning for at least 9's there! nice. you going to post up a thread of your own for us all to drool over??? i've got many more questions [:D][up]

[317ssayzarc]

sounds like you're gunning for at least 9's there! nice. you going to post up a thread of your own for us all to drool over??? i've got many more questions [:D][up]

He's working on it Sean, he's going to try and twist some B5 content into it [>_<][;)]

[2L8ULUZ]

Well shes alive, I went with out using the 034. Im using eurodyne with a 01 ecu and harnsess and cluster. I'll have the pics up later and a video, all I can say it feels like its going to make some good jam,

[2L8ULUZ]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/IMG_0173.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/IMG_0169-1.jpg

So the car has about 550km on it and it really pulls hard to what I taken it too, Im seeing 22psi about 4600-4800 and Im just doing short pulls, once its all broken in new tranny goes in with new clutch and track time.

[speeding-g60]

WOOT!!!! so you think then maybe 30+ PSI by 5400?

lets see this vids action.... and man that thing is close to the head. standard cover?

[2L8ULUZ]

its the stock Atw valve cover with some work to clear it, I wanna make a vid tonight. Ya I dont see why not. the turbo is the race cover

[speeding-g60]

ok. so you have the larger cover... that makes it tighter yet haha.

[2L8ULUZ]

I did some logs, not sure how to really post them. have a look and tell me what you think.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/dom1.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/dom2.jpg

[2L8ULUZ]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/th_MVI_0179.jpg (http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/?action=view&current=MVI_0179.flv)

[speeding-g60]

i just put two and two together.

you are disturbo on poortex....

the AFR looks good on the vid.... and the boost looks like it sets rock solid in one place.... you musta got the EBC figured out? either way, i like what you are getting with that 366...

is that T3 or T4? mine is the 366XL T4 divided with an actual twin scroll mani.... will be nice to have that kind of spool....

[2L8ULUZ]

LOL ya thats me, ya I got her dialed in very nice, I did a few pulls on 28psi on pump gas and it pulls hard with out any timming being pulled back, Its a T3 im running. Ya the |A/f is always 11.8 or 11.9.

[Seerlah]

Is this a street tuned vehicle or more geared for a track junkie? Or you want to really use it on the track, yet still be able to drive it on the street when you want?

[Don Supreme]

How the "f" do you have traction in that weather?!?

[2L8ULUZ]

The car is street driven every day. Not sure, I just pulls and pulls. loves the rain lol

[onemoremile]

is that T3 or T4? mine is the 366XL T4 divided with an actual twin scroll mani.... will be nice to have that kind of spool....

I don't have the link handy but Full Race did a comparison between T3, T4, SS, and TS on Evos. If you search evolutionm.net you should find all sorts of info spread across a few threads. IIRC, the TS T3 was better than the SS T3 or any of the T4. The T4 just wasn't working well. My guess is that it is large enough that it slows down exhaust velocity but that is just a guess. The T3 just isn't a large enough restriction to justify a T4. I think larger engines could make better use of a TS T4, it might be perfect on a VR6 conversion.

[biketsai]

RS4 cluster?

[2L8ULUZ]

Nope just a stock 01 cluster.

[mike-2ptzero]

I don't have the link handy but Full Race did a comparison between T3, T4, SS, and TS on Evos. If you search evolutionm.net you should find all sorts of info spread across a few threads. IIRC, the TS T3 was better than the SS T3 or any of the T4. The T4 just wasn't working well. My guess is that it is large enough that it slows down exhaust velocity but that is just a guess. The T3 just isn't a large enough restriction to justify a T4. I think larger engines could make better use of a TS T4, it might be perfect on a VR6 conversion.

That is odd seeing that every time I talk to Geoff the word "crap" comes out of his mouth when T3 BW comes up. This is why they tend to only offer the BW's in T4 housing on their site and the main reason I haven't tried a SS T3 BW. I think it has to do with that the SS T3 .70 a/r is just too small for that size of a turbo. Most of the people that want the TS T4 wont even touch the .91, some feel the 1.00 is still too small for the 91/79(366) and want the 1.10 which is very hard to find. Fact is getting any BW's is pretty hard taking up to 10-12 weeks if your lucky. Problem is that BW does not stock this line of turbo so they are pretty much put together when they are ordered.

[onemoremile]

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-engine-turbo-drivetrain/398987-twinscroll-singlescroll-turbo-shootout-full-race-ve-engineering-vivids-dyno.html

[mike-2ptzero]

Read that thread Back when Geoff started it. If you look at the list you will notice that they did not test anything smaller then a .82 on the SS T3 because most of them feel anything smaller then that is a waste of time.



1. 3582R in .82 single scroll t3 housing / t4 1.06 twin scroll housing
2. HTA-3582R in .82 single scroll t3 housing / t4 1.06 twin scroll housing
3. HTA-3586R in .82 single scroll t3 housing / t4 1.06 twin scroll housing
4. 4088R t4 1.06 twin scroll housing
5. Borgwarner Airwerks S300SX 83-75 1.10 A/R twin scroll (~hta35R+ size)
6. Borgwarner Airwerks S300SX 91-79 1.10 A/R twin scroll (~4088R+ size)

[Sales@RAI]

Why is .70 a waste of time when plenty of people run .63 turbos on here Mike? I know Geoff knows what is he is doing more than most people, but he looks down on the HTAs and all they do is make power and break records at the track. Everyone has their own opinions but I think a .70 is fine. That autoextrem car used the .70 S362 to make 610whp

[mike-2ptzero]

Why is .70 a waste of time when plenty of people run .63 turbos on here Mike? I know Geoff knows what is he is doing more than most people, but he looks down on the HTAs and all they do is make power and break records at the track. Everyone has their own opinions but I think a .70 is fine. That autoextrem car used the .70 S362 to make 610whp

People run .63 when they want quicker spool but less peak hp, those people are actually looking for a larger power band.

Yes they did make 610FWHP and he used the .70 because thats the only option for the SS T3 BW turbo. After that he moved to another custom turbo that was larger in size, not sure what a/r he is using now. The smaller a/r is just going to choke sooner which is going to effect peak hp.


How does Geoff look down at the HTA's? I guess you haven't noticed but Full-race is in fact a FP dealer selling all of their products including the HTA's.
So I am a little confused by your statement.

[Haenszel20v]

That autoextrem car used the .70 S362 to make 610whp
its actually still a .70 t3 s368 now. the "AX368" or some shit they named it.

[speeding-g60]

its actually still a .70 t3 s368 now. the "AX368" or some shit they named it.

yup. Bullseye Powers largest T3 turbo right now. and they (Marc) love it, too. AX368.

[2L8ULUZ]

Now the boys make over 700whp on the .70 t3 368. seems to work just fine I think.

[speeding-g60]

Now the boys make over 700whp on the .70 t3 368. seems to work just fine I think.

And on ME7 ECU as well. and thats to the ground WHP.

[mike-2ptzero]

Now the boys make over 700whp on the .70 t3 368. seems to work just fine I think.

But who knows if he wouldn't be making more power if he had a larger a/r. The only way to know is to look at his power curve on a dyno plot.

That 700whp is around 823chp, on a quattro car that would come out to just under 650whp. Other VW guys have made over 700whp with smaller GT turbos.


BTW AMS made over 800awhp on a T3 turbo.

[bernB5]

But who knows if he wouldn't be making more power if he had a larger a/r. The only way to know is to look at his power curve on a dyno plot.

That 700whp is around 823chp, on a quattro car that would come out to just under 650whp. Other VW guys have made over 700whp with smaller GT turbos.


BTW AMS made over 800awhp on a T3 turbo.

and AWD Motorsports made 921whp on a t3 6765
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb6T12yhDv0

[mike-2ptzero]

and AWD Motorsports made 921whp on a t3 6765
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb6T12yhDv0

I think both of those shops were using the same turbo.

[autoxtrem]

we are still running a "shit ax368" t3 .70a/t makes 39psi at 5500rpm, im sure if went with crazy cams and ran on a dynojet i would make more. but still on stock bosch ecu, yes a T4 frame will make it's way in the car soon since we have new goals to achieve but for now we are very reliable 9.1 9.2 162mph car wich i have done so far with not all the boost.

waterfest 15 we are shooting for 8s pass.

[oneohone]

AMS is still around?


RS4 cluster?

Its in kilometers, he is in Canada.

[mike-2ptzero]

AMS is still around?



Its in kilometers, he is in Canada.

The AMS Evo shop is who I was talking about, you must be thinking of AMS that sold Audi/VW stuff here in Socal owned by Mark which is no longer in business.

[q_dubz]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/th_MVI_0179.jpg (http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/?action=view&current=MVI_0179.flv)

this vid makes me hate you quattro bastids![=(]

[Altech75]

Is it possible to convert our speedometers to correlate with whats on KPH gauges and then swap over the front plate or whatever is (never removed the cluster). I'm just wondering because a couple of us could benefit from it. That and it would be freakin' cool.

Edit: Sorry for the thread jack.

[Haenszel20v]

did something happen here? Was hoping to see a bit more fun-time.

[PRY4SNO]

All I want to know is:

What's your faster car? The Tial650 S4 or the S366 A4?

And let me know when you're selling the S4. [>_<]

[2L8ULUZ]

Low boost run 21 psi, shitty track we have out here, half of the time the lights dont work. I dont the slip with me, [email protected] and Corrected is [email protected].
density Altitude: 5630 feet
Relative Density: 85.55 %
http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/?action=view&current=MVI_0018.flv

[mike-2ptzero]

Low boost run 21 psi, shitty track we have out here, half of the time the lights dont work. I dont the slip with me, [email protected] and Corrected is [email protected].
density Altitude: 5630 feet
Relative Density: 85.55 %
http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/?action=view&current=MVI_0018.flv

Corrected ET[confused] There is no such thing as corrections for drag racing, you run what you run.

[Euro-Tuner]

lol

[speeding-g60]

i think he meant correction to sea-level times, if he were at sea level.

http://www.greatlakesdragaway.com/correctionfactors.html

[Euro-Tuner]

I see where your coming from, but I've never seen anyone correct their track times...

[mike-2ptzero]

i think he meant correction to sea-level times, if he were at sea level.

http://www.greatlakesdragaway.com/correctionfactors.html

I know what he meant just never seen anyone actually post up a Corrected ET. But the problem is those corrections are for NA cars only since their power loss with DA changes is set in stone. Does not work for FI cars since the change effects how the turbo spools and the whole power band. This is why using a correction on a dyno for a FI car doesn't even work since the dyno just slides the graph up/down keeping the peak points at the same rpm and thats not how things work with a turbo setup.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

There is a correction for ET/MPH on dragtimes. It asks you to choose from like stock or mild or heavily modded NA or Turbo. I did it for mine once out of curiousity since the conditions had me at like 1500 ft air density and I am at sea level. It made my time like 1mph faster and 1 tenth quicker et using the heavily modded turbo option. I clicked the NA option and it made a bigger difference in the correction but forget what it was.

Edit: here it is click (http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php)

[bernB5]

corrected or uncorrected, that's slow as shit for that turbo on 21psi.. but i know there will be better times in the future.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

corrected or uncorrected, that's slow as shit for that turbo on 21psi.. but i know there will be better times in the future.

Glad you said it [:p]

[Haenszel20v]

Glad you said it [:p]

ouch. haha

[2L8ULUZ]

well you bring out your to this track and see how slow it runs, Im happy with what its doing for starts with out pushing the car and running it to its max, I built this car to be a DD with out breaking shit or being a trailer queen. Just pump the gas and go. I know how much more the car do its all just with time.

[mike-2ptzero]

well you bring out your to this track and see how slow it runs, Im happy with what its doing for starts with out pushing the car and running it to its max, I built this car to be a DD with out breaking shit or being a trailer queen. Just pump the gas and go. I know how much more the car do its all just with time.

People dont need to race at that track to drag race their cars in 5800 ft DA. I see 4000+ ft DA all the time at a track that sits at 1200 ft elevation and at LACR(2700 ft elevation) I saw 5000 ft DA often. Its called 100+ deg temps. Even my 10.55 was done in high temps so the DA was close to 4000 ft.


Trailers have their use, its called going home the same way you came to the track even after breaking. Only people that haven't figured that are the ones that like going home on the back of a tow truck and paying for it. lol


BTW there is a saying, if your not trying to break something then your NOT really racing your car.[>_<]

[16plus4v]

Previous owner of the A4.

I'm not going to get into a piss match with you guys, I just want to clarify something.

With the 35r setup I went 11.8@117mph here in Toronto where we are pretty much par even with sea level, track was prepped well and car was running mint. This was on the AEB 1000cc Tapp file, on pump gas @25psi. I was also catching 1.6-1.7 60 ft all day long. I think this is where Dom needs some time perfecting.

Dom is running a newer/ better tune, more boost and a larger turbo. He is still new with the car and it will take time to adjust to the setup. I can guarantee the car is faster than it was before, just not showing up at this time. The car ran 10.8 @34psi on c16 also, on a chitty track in Ottawa.

It's proven many times that a 12sec car here in Toronto will do 13's all day in Alberta where Dom is. So this is not a first for a difference in numbers like these. No launch control or anti lag on this car either, again.. new driver, totally different car. Stop hating, the car is neck and neck with a fully built r650 s4. It's fast, period.

Aside, looks like the turbo is making boost quite well by 5k, love how the e-tuners predict turbo's powerbands and spool times.. [wrench]

[mike-2ptzero]

It might be bigger but its not exactly "better" then a GT35r and thats because he got the compressor housing with the smaller inlet which is a restriction.


I wouldn't exactly call Luskvilledragway shitty, other cars have ran pretty fast times there including a A4 1.8 with an elim and Tapp tuning which ran 12.4 and Tap has some pretty quick times in other Audi cars at that track. That track sits at 200 ft above sea level and with the cold temps the DA is much closer to sea level.

[16plus4v]

I hear you, the cover on the turbo is actually BEP's " race " cover, the same one that's on Marc @ Autoxtrem's 9.1sec golf. Its designed to improve compressor efficiency, apparently it's a big improvement from their standard cover.

The track is horrible in a sense of prep work and maintenance. There is loose gravel everywhere cracks and grooves at the end of the track. Other than that it's a decent track with the sea level and temp's that are better that most here in Canada.

Dom bring the A4 to TMP so I can get those 1.7 60fts lol

I plan on running the S362 personally, or I may just have to buy my car back from ya. [:D]

[Haenszel20v]

I plan on running the S362 personally, or I may just have to buy my car back from ya. [:D]

That was my favorite turbo.

[mike-2ptzero]

I hear you, the cover on the turbo is actually BEP's " race " cover, the same one that's on Marc @ Autoxtrem's 9.1sec golf. Its designed to improve compressor efficiency, apparently it's a big improvement from their standard cover.

The track is horrible in a sense of prep work and maintenance. There is loose gravel everywhere cracks and grooves at the end of the track. Other than that it's a decent track with the sea level and temp's that are better that most here in Canada.

Dom bring the A4 to TMP so I can get those 1.7 60fts lol

I plan on running the S362 personally, or I may just have to buy my car back from ya. [:D]

The car should be hitting 1.6's, thats what the B6 cars hit with just an elim kit. IIRC even Chris hit 1.56 with that same car at that track you say has very poor prep work, I am going to guess it wasn't all that bad when he made that pass. 1.7-1.8 60 ft times are avg for a BAT/BT and 1.9's to 2.0 are avg for a K03.



Are you saying this capped inlet
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/IMG_0080.jpg


Is better then BW's normal 4" inlet?
http://www.imperial.org/~nick/photo/turbo/DSC00450.jpg

[confused]

[16plus4v]

The car should be hitting 1.6's

We don't run slicks we run summer street tires. But yes 1.6-1.7 is what the car "should" be hitting, however with a novice AWD driver it can come with time.


Are you saying this capped inlet Is better then BW's normal 4" inlet?[confused]

Yes, this is their race cover. It has the same inlet diameter on the inside of the housing. It's simply a modified BEP "standard" cover. You can't sit at your computer and tell what kind of engineering is behind a product, it's a "race" cover for a reason. Contact BEP or one of their retailers if you want any more info.

[mike-2ptzero]

We don't run slicks we run summer street tires. But yes 1.6-1.7 is what the car "should" be hitting, however with a novice AWD driver it can come with time.



Yes, this is their race cover. It has the same inlet diameter on the inside of the housing. It's simply a modified BEP "standard" cover. You can't sit at your computer and tell what kind of engineering is behind a product, it's a "race" cover for a reason. Contact BEP or one of their retailers if you want any more info.

Sorry to tell you but slicks are not needed on a AWD car to pull 1.6's, I have even done it with B6's running 19's and full street tires and so have a few others. Even Chris stated that he was running full street tires when he was able to pull that 1.5.

No I dont need to sit at my computer seeing that I talk to Geoff at Full-race all the time. I have been talking to Geoff about the BW turbos ever since they came out with the new design, but I had already ran a Airwerks BW S300 turbo back in 2003-2004. If it was worth trying the T3 version of the S366 I would have done it right as it came out seeing that I could get them at a wholesale/sponsor price but Geoff told me it wasn't worth it. Just sucks that it takes 6-12 weeks just to get any of the new BW turbos and thats if your lucky.

Are you sure its a custom BEP cover, because IIRC that is a standard BW housing for the non extended tip S300's. Do you have pics of Marc's car with the that cover because the pics on his web site show a 4" inlet. I didn't know he runs a Dodge Automatic transmission in his car.

[16plus4v]

Sorry to tell you but slicks are not needed on a AWD car to pull 1.6's, I have even done it with B6's running 19's and full street tires and so have a few others. Even Chris stated that he was running full street tires when he was able to pull that 1.5.

No I dont need to sit at my computer seeing that I talk to Geoff at Full-race all the time. I have been talking to Geoff about the BW turbos ever since they came out with the new design, but I had already ran a Airwerks BW S300 turbo back in 2003-2004. If it was worth trying the T3 version of the S366 I would have done it right as it came out seeing that I could get them at a wholesale/sponsor price but Geoff told me it wasn't worth it. Just sucks that it takes 6-12 weeks just to get any of the new BW turbos and thats if your lucky.

Are you sure its a custom BEP cover, because IIRC that is a standard BW housing for the non extended tip S300's. Do you have pics of Marc's car with the that cover because the pics on his web site show a 4" inlet. I didn't know he runs a Dodge Automatic transmission in his car.

No I dont have any pics here on this computer, but i've seen the car in person. Who's running a Dodge transmission ? He's using a dog-engagement SQS gear set for 02J transmissions.

Yes i'm 100% sure the cover is an upgrade from the standard cover, I remember Dom telling me the cost difference for the upgrade.

BTW Chris Tapp used TOYO RA-1's on the A4....... not really a daily "street" tire ;)

[16plus4v]

Dom's car against a TialR650 S4

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/?action=view&current=MVI_0031.flv

It's fast, period

[mike-2ptzero]

No I dont have any pics here on this computer, but i've seen the car in person. Who's running a Dodge transmission ? He's using a dog-engagement SQS gear set for 02J transmissions.

Yes i'm 100% sure the cover is an upgrade from the standard cover, I remember Dom telling me the cost difference for the upgrade.

BTW Chris Tapp used TOYO RA-1's on the A4....... not really a daily "street" tire ;)

I have seen the car too when I was at Waterfest last year when he was running the S366.


Then he must have changed the transmission because when I was looking for pics I found a post from him talking about his Dodge automatic in that GTI.

Street tires are actually better then RA1's when it comes to drag racing and thats because street tires dont need to be heated like road racing tires.


Here is the post by Autoxtrem on a Mazda forum from 2006.


first one is my drag car that we converted to a dodge 3 speed auto, still working that bugs, ,but at only 20psi on 94 oct we got 411WHP 283ft/lbs.

The post he is talking about is one where he posted pictures of the GTI.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/autoxtrem/IMG_0296.jpg


Maybe he ditched the automatic and switched since then.

[16plus4v]

Yeah, that's old news lol

Now he's running the S368xl T3 .70ar, 715whp Tapp tuned ME7 ECU

1000% SQS 6 speed dog box.

Car's best is 9.1s I believe.[hail]

[16plus4v]

6 Speed SQS Dog Box, broke it at Waterfest

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/autoxtrem/s372004.jpg

Looks wayyy different now too.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/autoxtrem/IMG_1553.jpg

[sean1.8t]

wow. again mike. really?

[mike-2ptzero]

wow. again mike. really?

Wow sean you have nothing better to do again? [rolleyes]




16plus4v - yeah his car even looks different then it did last year when I saw it in person at waterfest 08. Yes his best is 9.1 with the new turbo setup and changes to the body, his best with the other turbo was low 10's IIRC.

[16plus4v]

16plus4v - yeah his car even looks different then it did last year when I saw it in person at waterfest 08. Yes his best is 9.1 with the new turbo setup and changes to the body, his best with the other turbo was low 10's IIRC.

Yeah well I dont think the S366 he had was limiting the 10's it was the bone stock 02J tranny he was using. So along with the 6speed SQS gearset and a slightly bigger turbo, not to mention after a few sets of different slick he finally found the perfect synchro for getting the power to the ground. Marc actually claims he has better response with the S368XL than he did with the S366... "XL" is basically the race cover and custom T3 housing since the s368 is usually a T4 framed turbo.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Dom's car against a TialR650 S4

http://s51.photobucket.com/albums/f352/Disturbo1/?action=view&current=MVI_0031.flv

It's fast, period
LULZ!! [>_<]

[2L8ULUZ]

Just got back from the crappy track. I was having clutch problems, I didnt like the high boost of the line or second gear. So I ran 21psi 1st 21 psi 2nd and flick the switch in 3rd 30 psi and car went 2.1 60 foot. 95.41mph at the 1/8 and [email protected]. Half of tank of 94oct fuel in the car full load.

[Haenszel20v]

Just got back from the crappy track. I was having clutch problems, I didnt like the high boost of the line or second gear. So I ran 21psi 1st 21 psi 2nd and flick the switch in 3rd 30 psi and car went 2.1 60 foot. 95.41mph at the 1/8 and [email protected]. Half of tank of 94oct fuel in the car full load.

get that 60 down, son. That's a mid 11's trap.

[16plus4v]

Just got back from the crappy track. I was having clutch problems, I didnt like the high boost of the line or second gear. So I ran 21psi 1st 21 psi 2nd and flick the switch in 3rd 30 psi and car went 2.1 60 foot. 95.41mph at the 1/8 and [email protected]. Half of tank of 94oct fuel in the car full load.

Good stuff Dom. Def a mid 11sec trap.

[mike-2ptzero]

A bit better. Just have to work on the launch, 2.1's are basically rolling off the line at low rpm.

[speeding-g60]

1/10th off the line = 2/10ths on the big end..... so they say.

[mike-2ptzero]

1/10th off the line = 2/10ths on the big end..... so they say.

Up to 2/10th's but most of the time its just that 1/10th. Most of this depends on what causes the car to be slower in the first 60 ft.

Most of the time a slower 60 ft will also cause the trap speeds to be higher then they would be with a better 60 ft and that has to do with what part of the power band the car is in when it goes thru that last 66 ft. This is why you always see high trap speeds from cars running slower then they should be running if running out the back door.

[2L8ULUZ]

You bring your car out here and see how slow it goes, I need to get my other tranny in the car and clutch and going for low 11's on pump.

[mike-2ptzero]

You bring your car out here and see how slow it goes, I need to get my other tranny in the car and clutch and going for low 11's on pump.

Who was that directed at?


It isn't like other people haven't raced their A4's in 5000+ ft DA.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I was looking at the "corrected" stuff for the altitude or whatever and still wasn't impressed with that 114 trap with that massive turbo. 120 sounds much better though.

[2L8ULUZ]

Ran tonight, little better 60 foot, 12.0@120

[Don Supreme]

I thought Chris Tapp's car was red?

[Mantis]

Who was that directed at?


It isn't like other people haven't raced their A4's in 5000+ ft DA.

It is not just the altitude, the track was slated to close last year,we are getting 1 more year of racing, but they do no maintenance, the surface is brutal, and quite often the spectator lights dont work. 12.0@120 on pump at this track is definitely gettin things done

[sean1.8t]

Who was that directed at?


It isn't like other people haven't raced their A4's in 5000+ ft DA.

cry cry cry.

seriously. just shut the fuck up for once

[mike-2ptzero]

It is not just the altitude, the track was slated to close last year,we are getting 1 more year of racing, but they do no maintenance, the surface is brutal, and quite often the spectator lights dont work. 12.0@120 on pump at this track is definitely gettin things done

Nothing new to me. Both Carlsbad and LACR were exactly like that. LACR was really bad because the track was always dirty too from all the sand from the dirt track sitting right next to it and the fact it was in the high desert. Carlsbad look like they hadn't paved the road since the 60's and the return road looked like a war zone. LACR was located in the high desert and the track surface was always coated in sand since it sat right next to the motox dirt track, so once the winds kicked up all of that sand just flew right onto the track. The track sat at 2700 ft and in 100+ deg temps during the day track events the DA would climb well over 5000 ft.

So believe me your not the only one that has to deal with this stuff and not the only one that races at tracks that are about to close. Hell even Sac raceway is a complete ghetto track that looks like they have never done any work to it, hell half the time we are racing on week old rubber that is still on the track.

Hell even my fastest time was done at a slow track that runs up hill from the starting line to the finish line, I have even rolled back out of the lights without even knowing it. Funny part is people dont even notice it till they stand at the finish line and look at the roof the tower sitting behind the starting line.


Have to understand that very few people here ever get to race in a sea level DA or on a track that is very well prepped, this is because not all tracks are willing to spend the large amounts of money to prep the track for street cars or the large amounts of money to take care of the track surface unless they hose the NHRA nationa events. The only people that are going to see a sea level DA are those running at a track that is pretty much at sea level with conditions with temps below 70 degs and very little humidity. For those that do get to run at a track near sea level will even see below sea level DA if running in temps below 50 degs.


BTW yes 12.0 at 120 is in fact doing well in the conditions you are running in.

[16plus4v]

Ran tonight, little better 60 foot, 12.0@120

Good job bud, get that 60 ft down and make me proud.

[autoxtrem]

i do like the s368 t3.70a/r alot better then the s366, oth running same t3 .70a/r i changed the intake manifold, TB and s368 made 105whp extra same 39psi, with full boost at 5500rpm VS 5100rpm.

broke SQS but mostly du to the tire shake wich we have a new set now of 28" with 4 ply sidewall VS 2 ply that my 27". plus they had sent me the standard 3rd instaed of stronger 3rd i just got.

back on topic great results keep it up you will get that 11s slip but the s364 would of been my choice for you set up, response in between gear is better and that would help with less that ideal gear ratio that your car as. either way congrats and dodn't stop.

[16plus4v]

Looks like i'm getting the A4 back. Dom has decided to go another route. [:D]

[The*Fall*Guy]

Looks like i'm getting the A4 back. Dom has decided to go another route. [:D]

Glad to hear it! i started looking around on here today when you sent me the link to this thread. And decided to sign up[up]

[Jake39454]

Glad to hear it! i started looking around on here today when you sent me the link to this thread. And decided to sign up[up]

Look whose here... [>_<]

This is crazyass713 and jakeakaharrypotter on the vortex [;)]

[The*Fall*Guy]

Yea... im considering getting another b5 quattro to build. Ive been saving for a 30r setup for the jetta but with the prices of used B5's I figure i might as well build on a proper platform again[up] Ive been poking around on here and this sure beats the Kotex[cool]

[Jake39454]

Buy an 01' A4... 97-99 sucks because they are dbc, 058 block and narrowband 02. 00' sucks because they are 058 and narrowband. 01' is the shit because it's 06A block, dbw and wideband (good tunes good block)

[The*Fall*Guy]

That's exactly what I plan on buying. My last A4 was a 98 aeb quattro. I bought it new and then after a few years of running it on just a GIAC flash with boltons I installed the old PES t28 system again on GIAC software. Then I upgraded to a 28r and got re-flashed etc. I sold it a couple years ago to an enthusiastic kid for too much money and used it for a down payment on my house.. I was going to do a 30r on the Jetta but after having the b5 I'm spoiled I guess.. So it looks like I'm going to find a wideband b5 and do the 30r thing the right way[:p]

[Jake39454]

I'm actually swapping the setup below from my 98.5 to a 01... I took it out to display it at my booth for a car show (silver b6, silver b7 and gray b6 are in my booth):

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/DuWerks11.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/enginedustoff-1.jpg

[The*Fall*Guy]

That is one hell of a display you had there. I like how you attached the exhaust for display purposes. Must have been a real attention getter!!

[16plus4v]

Well guys, it's official. I now own the car again. However Dom removed the built motor for the exchange. It now still has everything mounted just with a stock tall block. I have all new parts ready to go, so stay tuned for my build.

Dom should be posting the MK4 Haldex 1.8t swap shortly i'm sure. Should be done in a couple weeks time. Gonna miss my GTI but looking forward to the outcome on the A4, not to mentions Chris Tapp is developing the 2-step now for the Maestro users. [:D]

[Jake39454]

Sounds good man. I look forward to buying an 01 to switch all my parts to! Maestro ftw!

[16plus4v]

Absolutely, Chris has evolutionized the ability to run very high hp cars with stock like drivability and reliability.

[wrench][drive][race]

[STS9king]

You guys wanna talk altitude? when I ran my 13.7@101 w/ 2.0 60', the DA was 9500' and my car weighed in at 3550 with 91 pump gas. I would love to hit those "average" 1.7-1.8 60's but man, even at 2.0, it feels great and I get freakin smacked into my seat. I have to say, 2.1 is not good at all but it is not "basically rolling off the line at low rpm."

What do you guys do to hit sub 2.0 60's in these pig cars? In my jetta, 1.8's were easy as hell with slicks up front.

[lilA4thatcould]

three words...big f***ing turbo.....nice!

[Don Supreme]

1.8s... are pretty easy in these cars.

[mike-2ptzero]

1.7-1.8's are pretty easy to do even with an elim kit.

[16plus4v]

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k202/16plus4v/fs%20parts/DSC00558.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k202/16plus4v/fs%20parts/DSC00560.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k202/16plus4v/fs%20parts/DSC00561.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k202/16plus4v/fs%20parts/DSC00563.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k202/16plus4v/fs%20parts/DSC00565.jpg

[TighTT]

Sleeper of the year award....for real.

[dcampana]

no doubt. thats one hell of a sleeper.... NICE!!!!!

-side note: any issues witht he top mount and the turbo housing so close tot he plug wires? I see they are wrapped but I would think the heat would cause some melted/ bad situation. Just an assumption though.

[16plus4v]

Nah, I never had a problem. Even when there was no heat shield there were no issues. And this is a REAL street car driven in REAL all weather conditions. And is still the fastest full weight stock ECU A4 to date.. unless someone else has gone faster...

The car used to go 11.8@117 on pump and now its hitting over 120mph on pump. So at its least I SHOULD be able to get it back into the 10.8 range or better. Plus the old tune was on the AEB computer, not its running the Maff-less ME7 with the Maestro Suite.. much better software all around.