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AFOUR_PLAY
11-07-2004, 03:23 PM
How big of a FMIC do you need when running a K04?

I'm thinking of getting one that's core size is 600mmx180mmx80mm

I want to try and fit one behind the standard bar

AFOUR_PLAY
11-07-2004, 06:12 PM
Is 600mmx180mmx80mm too big?

bitterchild
11-08-2004, 06:34 AM
what are you asking? is it too big physically to fit or flow/pressure drop wise

Rieger_RS4
11-08-2004, 07:29 AM
I'm guessing flow/pressure drop wise

I would like to know too

audisnapr
11-08-2004, 07:31 AM
I was wondering that myself. Who makes the ideal FMIC for a KO4? Is there a smaller one out there that occupies the standard opening of a RS4 bumper as opposed to the full size ones that we are used to seeing? Would this be too small of a FMIC and defeat the purpose?

A4Rob
11-08-2004, 08:24 AM
I would highly reccomend Evolution Motorsports FMIC. Before my T-28 I ran it with my stock K03 turbo with about 16 PSI. I did NOT notice any loss of pressure/ boost. It also made some cool sounds when the turbo would spool up and made my DV very very loud. Almost a BOV sound. I have the Rieger RS4 front bumper and the IC is the perfect size. I measured it at 22x10. Here is a pic of it next to my SMIC, and on my car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/a4robm/37910966149_0_1.jpg

IMO the best FMIC on the market!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/a4robm/37911054341_0_1.jpg

And finally finished. It was not that hard to install. I bolted it up in one afternoon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/a4robm/37911147013_0_1.jpg

Good luck deciding

A4Rob
11-08-2004, 08:25 AM
Sorry about the crappy pictures. I took them with my camera phone while my digi was lost. But you get the point

Rieger_RS4
11-08-2004, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by A4RobM
I would highly reccomend Evolution Motorsports FMIC. Before my T-28 I ran it with my stock K03 turbo with about 16 PSI. I did NOT notice any loss of pressure/ boost. It also made some cool sounds when the turbo would spool up and made my DV very very loud. Almost a BOV sound. I have the Rieger RS4 front bumper and the IC is the perfect size. I measured it at 22x10. Here is a pic of it next to my SMIC, and on my car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/a4robm/37910966149_0_1.jpg

IMO the best FMIC on the market!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/a4robm/37911054341_0_1.jpg

And finally finished. It was not that hard to install. I bolted it up in one afternoon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/a4robm/37911147013_0_1.jpg

Good luck deciding

Could you measure the core on that FMIC?

A4Rob
11-08-2004, 08:33 AM
22x10x either 2.5 or 3. I cant remember. Here is the site http://www.evoms.com/a%20main%20frames.htm

Alex (BurntAudi) talked me into getting this FMIC and I love it. He is running the same IC with the K04. Ask him about the pressure. I am positive he will only tell you good things about this intercooler

EVIL-AUDI
11-08-2004, 10:59 AM
The EVO is a great products. MKGIY runs the same one.

AspenSti
11-08-2004, 11:01 AM
who measures FMICs in milimeters?

MKGIY
11-08-2004, 11:07 AM
I do run that FMIC and it is a very nice product.

Mike

EuroA4
11-08-2004, 11:47 AM
Problem is that it will not fit behind a stock A4 bumper without tons of mods...so its RS4 or S4 bumper time :)

Not sure if the Forge Motorsports SMIC is available anymore, but its supposed to be a larger more effecient replacement for stock.

Rieger_RS4
11-08-2004, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by YellowA4Turbo
who measures FMICs in milimeters?

the rest of the world...........duh[:D] [:D] [:D]

A4Rob
11-08-2004, 01:23 PM
But this is what i had to do to fit the IC. :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/a4robm/37911081093_0_1.jpg

AFOUR_PLAY
11-08-2004, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Rieger_RS4
the rest of the world...........duh[:D] [:D] [:D]

That's right.

Sorry, I'm an Italian Australian [:D]

measurements are approx 24x7x3 in inches

Burntaudi
11-08-2004, 04:47 PM
I have the EVOMS...but it is a little different than the 1 that A4Rob has mine is a little older (the big daddy intercooler I'm told by EVO) they redesigned it a little to cut cost and also to make it easier to ship. I paid almost $1500 for it 3 years ago and love it I can thrash on the car when it's hot and humid out with out any heat soak.

A4Rob
11-09-2004, 12:11 AM
Yup, he convinced me to go with EVO too^^^

Burntaudi
11-09-2004, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by A4RobM
Yup, he convinced me to go with EVO too^^^
Saw your other post Rob...glad that you like it. [;)]

skene
11-09-2004, 08:13 AM
I would definately recommend that if you have an S4 bumper or an RS4 type... to get the VW Passat EvoMS kit. This is the same intercooler but it does come with parts to lower the FMIC.
The A4 design was made to fit under the OEM bumper with some trimming.

Hope this helps.

AFOUR_PLAY
11-10-2004, 06:42 PM
Has anyone pieced together a fmic or just bought a kit?

Hassmeister
11-10-2004, 07:39 PM
I have the SPP. Very Happy!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/Hassmeister/FMICwobump.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/Hassmeister/topview.jpg
Slight trimming on the backside. Nothing major.

A4Rob
11-10-2004, 08:15 PM
I almost got the SPP, but Alex convinced me to go EVO. What are the dimensions of the SPP?

Silvant
11-10-2004, 09:29 PM
apr is an amazing unit but... no matter what apr
says, its not fitting under your stock clip.
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/289apr_fmic2.JPG

ufokillerz
11-10-2004, 09:41 PM
spp is supposedly working on a new intercooler :D can't wait for that

ahvier
11-11-2004, 12:05 PM
i have an SPP zflow and it fits under the stock A4 bumper, with a little coaxing. but i wish i had the EVO. anyone interested in a used Zflow? =)

skene
11-11-2004, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Silvant
apr is an amazing unit but... no matter what apr
says, its not fitting under your stock clip.
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/289apr_fmic2.JPG

One thing I have a gripe about is there is just way too many turns... that isnt the best to have pressure routing.

You want the least amount of angles for the least amount of pressure loss.

Silvant
11-11-2004, 02:21 PM
its known to have one of the lowest pressure drops
and charge cooling on the market.
although, i understand your angle.

skene
11-11-2004, 02:25 PM
is that tested with only the intercooler type? or was the pressure checked at boost pre and aft intercooler using the piping?

Silvant
11-11-2004, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by skene
is that tested with only the intercooler type? or was the pressure checked at boost pre and aft intercooler using the piping?


*in geek voice* : "hmm let me get my notes and
test logs... according to the average intake temperature and boost levels of 39tests throughout a 2month period....."

i dunno man.. i go by what i hear from knowledgable people then i hook it up or buy it. use it, and decide if i like it.

Rosati
11-22-2004, 07:18 AM
quote:
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Originally posted by Afour_play

That's right.

Sorry, I'm an Italian Australian

measurements are approx 24x7x3 in inches



Heyyyyyyyyyy CHristian VIeri!!!!!! how is it down there? can u pm me why so many italians go there? errrr sorry... Yes im guessing the apr has better response since its smaller but i agree with whoever said that there are too many curves id stick to generic style :)

clconversion
11-22-2004, 10:29 AM
I am looking for a FMIC that fits uber the stock bumper I have seen it before in pics but i'm just woundering which one it is anybody know ?

loeuro
11-22-2004, 08:37 PM
Has anyone tried the fmic trust/Greddy which was made for our b5 a4s???

ufokillerz
11-22-2004, 08:40 PM
SPP told me both intercoolers that they sell fit perfectly behind the stock bumper with no trimming

EC Motorwerks
11-23-2004, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by ufokillerz
SPP told me both intercoolers that they sell fit perfectly behind the stock bumper with no trimming
Yap, Traditional and Z flow. As for now SPP is still currently working on a new one for the B5's. The B6 one i believe will be released pretty soon.

Burntaudi
11-23-2004, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by ufokillerz
SPP told me both intercoolers that they sell fit perfectly behind the stock bumper with no trimming
I wouldn't consider cutting part of the subframe off no triming.

czand1
11-23-2004, 01:49 PM
Got the Greedy here.

Hassmeister
11-23-2004, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by ufokillerz
SPP told me both intercoolers that they sell fit perfectly behind the stock bumper with no trimming
I can't speak for the Z-flow, but I had to cut for my Traditional!

kris_tdi
11-23-2004, 02:28 PM
would a fmic make a great deal of difference over the a4 models that have 2 side mount intercoolers? cant see it being bigger, just slightly better airflow?

OnE.8T
11-23-2004, 05:15 PM
yo a4rob and czand1 could you guys post some straight frontal pics of you cars? i just want to see how much of the middle both intercoolers take up. and how hard was it to install the greddy czand1?

loeuro
11-23-2004, 05:19 PM
czand1 What do you think of it?? any pics you can send me??
Whats the performance gain???

IndieRockSteve
01-10-2005, 10:37 AM
so does the EvoM fmic require modifying the stock front bumper?

mike-2ptzero
01-10-2005, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by IndieRockSteve
so does the EvoM fmic require modifying the stock front bumper?

No it does not. YOu might need to trim some of the side grills but thats about all. The cor is much closer to 2" and fits behind the stock bumper support.

Audone
01-10-2005, 11:12 AM
I have the EVOms, and it fits perfectly behind the bumper, without any modification. I do have the front grills taken out, but I did it because I thought it looked better, not because I had to!

IndieRockSteve
01-10-2005, 12:15 PM
sweet, one more question, how does the metal react in snowy areas? My dad can powder coat for free at one of his production plants, which means if it will help keep it in good shape I'll ship it to him to have it done, if it won't matter then I won't bother (unless I decide to go "stealth")

thanks!

mike-2ptzero
01-10-2005, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by IndieRockSteve
sweet, one more question, how does the metal react in snowy areas? My dad can powder coat for free at one of his production plants, which means if it will help keep it in good shape I'll ship it to him to have it done, if it won't matter then I won't bother (unless I decide to go "stealth")

thanks!

I would not powder coat a fmic because that will decrease the heat transfer that it was designed for.

Audone
01-10-2005, 01:09 PM
I am in Calgary Canada, and havent had any problems with the snow, and I have nothing covering it either.
Metal shouldnt be a problem, since I beleive they are aluminum.. correct me if Im wrong
If anything, it makes the temps go down, which is always nice! After around an hour drive, the Intake manifold was cold to touch!

IndieRockSteve
01-27-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
I would not powder coat a fmic because that will decrease the heat transfer that it was designed for.

no more than a degree or two in hot weather, which won't be a problem for where I'm at.

but it sounds like I won't need it anyway.

guess I'll be ordering one this weekend. my year end bonus gets direct deposited tomorrow.

other than the fmic itself, what else will I need or should I purchase to do while I'm installing the FMIC and have that part of the car all apart?
(p.s. I have a good chunk of change to "waste" so if it will be beneficial I'd definitly consider spending the money on it)

mike-2ptzero
01-27-2005, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Silvant
*in geek voice* : "hmm let me get my notes and
test logs... according to the average intake temperature and boost levels of 39tests throughout a 2month period....."

i dunno man.. i go by what i hear from knowledgable people then i hook it up or buy it. use it, and decide if i like it.

Yes the core might have the lowest pressure drop, that has been proven long time ago since they first started using top to bottom cores. But add all that big pipe with all those bends and you start to add plenty of pressure drop to the system. Have to remember, the more volume within the system the more lag you add to your turbo setup. I'm sure you wouldn't run your pipes all the way around your car now would you. [;)]

onemoremile
01-30-2005, 12:43 PM
if you live in an area with snow and salted roads then i would anodize the intercooler. aluminum doesn't rust but it does oxidize. it gets a salty scaley look to it. anodizing aluminum forces a consitant oxidation and usually a little dye is thrown in for cosmetic reasons. even a clear anodize is dramatically better than leaving the aluminum raw.

since i live in michigan and don't like racing every idiot that comes along, i will be getting a raw intercooler that i can have anodized black locally.

for those that think this is a coating like powdercoat and/or that it will reduce the efficiency of the intercooler, typical anodize buildup is .0003-.0006". it soaks in about half that much.

full-race has a bit of info on a black anodized intercooler on their site.
http://www.full-race.com/pd_intercoolers.html

-jt

onemoremile
01-30-2005, 12:50 PM
oh, for comparison's sake, powdercoating the intercooler would be akin to wrapping it in plastic. the piping would be fine but it's ability to transfer heat would definitely be impaired.

-jt