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Kronic Budz
02-24-2009, 05:32 PM
first off thanks for reading this post, its long im sorry.

ok well for some time now i have had a aftermarket kenwood deck, infinity rear deck 6.5 inch speakers(rms 60 watts) and stock front speakers. This is the regular symphony delta system btw. My system has been alright sounding but i know could sound wayy better. I have been saving money to purchase a subwoofer and ect in the future. Now, i know my rear speakers are only getting around 22 watts rms asw well as my front speakers and that is nowhere near the 60 watts rms they should be at to sound great.

What i want to do now is replace my front speakers with component speakers. 5 1/4 is the size i guess? 1 inch tweeter?

As well as the front speaker swap, i would like to add a 10 inch subwoofer in a sealed box with a amplifier powering both my subwoofer and my speakers for a kick ass sounding system. I dont know much about the way you set up a amplifier to send different amounts of power where. But im thinking i need at least a 5 channel amp to do all this. 1 channel for each speaker and then maybe even 2 channels if i need to bridge my subwoofer for the right amount of power.

Thinking of sending 60 watts to rear speakers, 40-50 to front components, and then at least 150 to my subwoofer. How can i go about doing this and what do i need to look out for with the omhs issue?


thanks any advice would be great. O yea im planning on buying everything on ebay cause its just so damn cheap that way.

o yea budget is no more then $450 with installation.

zrowcool
02-24-2009, 05:44 PM
you're gunna need at the minimum a 4ch amp. a 5ch amp is gunna increase the price for a quite a bit and your budget doesnt allow for much at all. you would use the 1st two channels to run both sets of your door speakers. this isnt optimal but it would work within your budget. you can then bridge channels 3-4 for the sub. the way you adjust the wattage for different channels is by adjusting the gain.

if you can find a quality 5ch that makes its rated power then your good to go. then all you would need is a sub and the comp set for the doors. your budget is extremely tight though. just a good 5 ch can max your budget, add to that a decent comp set, a box and sub, shipping, wiring and you're already over budget by quite a bit.

djwimbo
02-24-2009, 05:50 PM
The budget is the hard part. Look up some used stuff on ebay, or check out local F/S ads.

I would go with a 5channel amp for your purpose. Typically the multi channel 3/4/5/6 ch amps don't put out much for the sub, but it will compliment the stereo well.

I'll look up some decent examples of what would work, and edit this post as I go.

$200 Infinity 5350a 5 Ch amp (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-2008-INFINITY-REFERENCE-5350A-5-CH-500W-AMPLIFIER_W0QQitemZ360129940389QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Car_Amplifiers?hash=item360129940389&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50) Personal recommendation.
I doubt you'll find a cleaner, new, mid quality amp for that price.

The only problem I'm seeing is the S/N ratio on the 5 Ch amps are a little less than any of the 4 ch amps, but that would mean you would need a mono/2ch amp to power a sub.

If you like the Infinity speakers in the rear (I know I do), you should compliment them with a similar sounding front component set.
Infinity 5020CS (http://cgi.ebay.com/Infinity-Reference-5020cs-2-Way-Component-System_W0QQitemZ200311844920QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar _Speakers?hash=item200311844920&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50) $100 on ebay + s/h.

Combo the two above with your current rear speakers, and you'll have a decent combo. Are you planning on doing the rear door speakers? Or do you not have them? Do you have wiring all set up already, or do you plan to DIY?

as4driver
02-24-2009, 07:01 PM
I have 1 10 inch diamond sub and diamond amp for sale. PM me if u are interested.

JaVa
02-24-2009, 07:47 PM
kicker sells their refurb amps on ebay for dirt cheap. they are decent amps for the price. look at their 5 ch ones

Kronic Budz
02-24-2009, 09:45 PM
ok well this is what i was thinking... i was going to spend around $60 on a sub (most likley an infinity sub which i have had and enjoyed it), around 80-100$ on a amplifier that will be a 4 or more channel amp, it prob wont be a well known brand but i do want one to be reliable, and be able to power all speakers. And then a full power kit is like $20 and then a box is another $30 or so. And then maybe spend 50-70$ on a pair of decent component speakers off ebay. I want my rear speakers to be the most powered and sound the loudest anyway.(for some reason i like the way the music sounds dominting in the rear when in the car) and that plus $160 to install amp/sub and front speakers which i already got quoted. That will put me around my $450 range. It wont be the most badass qulity system but thats what i can barley try and afford being in college.


That point of this all is to be able to enjoy my rear speakers and some new fronts with some nice bass for not to much $$$. its just really weak right now being on stock fronts and then rear speakers with no power getting to them beside the deck.

i dont want to run my front speakers unamplified so im gunna need 4 channels plus 1-2 more depending on if im bridging the sub for extra power.


****no speakers in rear door [=(][=(]

if you guys want ill throw up some links of the stuff i was thinking on purchasing, im still unsure on an amp, and component speakers, thats all.

JaVa
02-25-2009, 06:16 AM
try the infinity reference series speakers i really like them and they arent tooo expensive.
why not install yourelf and save the 160$ for a better amp or speakers?

JaVa
02-25-2009, 06:22 AM
i know its a bitore than you want to spend but look at this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/KICKER-ZX-700-5-CHANNEL-CAR-AUDIO-STEREO-AMPLIFIER-AMP_W0QQitemZ390028892993QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Am plifiers?hash=item390028892993&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

its has a sub channel at 420 watts@2ohm mono
4x85 @2ohm stereo channels
build your own box, it will sound better look better, and be cheaper

here are the speakers
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_1085020CS/Infinity-Reference-5020cs.html?search=infinity+reference&tp=106

B5 Quattro
02-25-2009, 08:21 AM
Why do you guys like infinity so much ? I find that they just dont live that long.
Ok, and why dont you run the fronts and rears off the deck and run the sub off the amp. ? Then you can push as much as the sub can take. And you only need a 2 chanel amp. ? (Saving you some money.)
You said that you have a Kenwood deck right ? So use it.
I have my deck running my STOCK fronts and it PLAYS! I took out the rears and my amp. beets on my 2 10'' DVC's like you wouldnt beleive.
I dont know thats my 2 cents. !!!!

Kronic Budz
02-25-2009, 04:10 PM
ok well yes $300 is to much for an amp. What would happen if i just got an unknown ebay amp like so... btw on 4omh load would still run enough power to all speakers i would need.

http://cgi.ebay.com/PLANET-AUDIO-VX6005-700watt-RMS-5-CHANNEL-CAR-AMPLIFIER_W0QQitemZ350160750479QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Car_Amplifiers?hash=item350160750479&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318

has the right amount of power, cant find anything wrong with it..

2 year warranty as well.

And what if i just said screw the component setup and just got some of regular 2 way speakers. And just amped them, they would still sound good im sure...

http://cgi.ebay.com/INFINITY-5022I-REFERENCE-5-25-2-WAY-135W-CAR-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ110345039969QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC ar_Speakers?hash=item110345039969&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Kronic Budz
02-25-2009, 04:21 PM
and then one of these...

http://cgi.ebay.com/INFINITY-REFERENCE-1050W-IN-CAR-AUDIO-10-SUBWOOFER-SUB_W0QQitemZ330308695692QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Su bwoofers_Enclosures?hash=item330308695692&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Kronic Budz
02-25-2009, 04:24 PM
a box just like this, i want it to lay flush with my back seats.

http://cgi.ebay.com/10-Sealed-Car-Truck-Carpet-Bass-Sub-Bass-Box-NIB-10S_W0QQitemZ250370139766QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item250370139766&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318

and an amp kit

http://cgi.ebay.com/POWER-4-GAUGE-CAR-AMP-AMPLIFIER-WIRING-KIT-RCA-CABLE_W0QQitemZ110353941914QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item110353941914&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Kronic Budz
02-25-2009, 04:29 PM
right there that would be $350 for everything i need to make a system sound night and day even compared to a stock bose system. plus installation of course, i wouldnt want to do it just cuz i dont have experience and want it to look installed professional.

djwimbo
02-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Why do you guys like infinity so much ? I find that they just dont live that long.

I've had countless Infinity stuff. I only ever had a problem, when a new model came out, and I just so happened to have a warranty left on my current speakers. [evilsmile]
Pioneer electronics I've had issues with, Infinity(or any Harmon Kardon) I have not.

I like Infinity because they're pretty cheap(price), durable enough for my liking, and powerful enough to keep me happy for awhile.

They are not the end-all answer to audio equipment.

Back on topic.
If you're serious about the $450 budget, you can't really set up the car that well. My budget audio in the A4 was a 4ch for the rear doors and package tray (L & R in parallel) and separate power to the front speakers. That way I could power all 6 speakers with a 4ch amp. Add in a 2ch amp for the two 12's, and I was happy.
I think I had $160 in speakers ($70/sub on sale and a $20 set of speakers in the back [>_>]), and a total $400 in amps (new audio store opening = good deals). That doesn't include the head unit that I had previously, the custom speaker box or the wiring.

Keep in mind that I build it and "tune" it myself. I'm not about to pay someone else to hack up my car.

That generic box you posted from ebay won't fit "flush" with the back of your seats. I built my box in the orange car to fit flush, and the angle was completely different. I also built my box so that it couldn't be removed through the trunk. You had to remove the lower part of the back seat, then fold the backs down, just to fit the box out through that opening. Stereo's were stolen often around there, I was not about to risk it.

JaVa
02-25-2009, 05:23 PM
so why not save for a little while till you can get a system you will be happy with. waht about just powering the speakers off the deck or the moment. you can get a mono sub for cheap, subs dont need as nice of an amp as much.... then you can get a 4ch later and add it.
i also have had good success with teh infinity stuff, and its reasonably priced.
i have never really liked the way cheap amps sounded. i bought a amp that is known to be the best in sound quality. and the price tag absolutely hurt!
build your own box! its easy, can you do basic wood work?

Kronic Budz
02-25-2009, 06:00 PM
so why not save for a little while till you can get a system you will be happy with. waht about just powering the speakers off the deck or the moment. you can get a mono sub for cheap, subs dont need as nice of an amp as much.... then you can get a 4ch later and add it.
i also have had good success with teh infinity stuff, and its reasonably priced.
i have never really liked the way cheap amps sounded. i bought a amp that is known to be the best in sound quality. and the price tag absolutely hurt!
build your own box! its easy, can you do basic wood work?


I am happy with a system that will be able to play loud and still sound good and wont distort and also have some bass. Thats all im looking for, im not looking to win any competition here.

if you read my whole original post i stated already know i have a aftermarket kenwood deck with infinity rear deck speakers(6.5 inch) and my deck is under powering them at 20 watts instead of the 60 they should be at. I dont understand why an amp that puts out the right amount of wattage would sound worse then the next amp?

Pretty much all im being told is to spend a lot of money. You guys are acting like if you dont spend a shit ton of money, then its going to sound shittier then it does now... Which i believe is bullshit.

Even if i just put in new front infinitys not even component ones, and threw a shitty amp to both my sets they would sound very good to what they do now... so ill i am doing is adding a decent subwoofer and you guys are acting like its gunna sound shitty...

JaVa
02-25-2009, 06:24 PM
not saying its gonna sound shitty, just saying i hate to see you want a better system later on and have to spend the money twice. if you use all the things above you will be very happy,
just trying to make you happier :)

JaVa
02-25-2009, 06:27 PM
just make sure you oversize the amp if your worried about distortion. you should be fine with the one you posted. if you can i would really suggest going with a little heavier gauge wire for your amp. you will generate less heat in the wire and the amp wont be having to work as hard to draw the current, keeping it cooler as well. 2ga would be fine and isnt much more than the 4ga

bass_lover1
02-25-2009, 10:43 PM
Guy above me ^^^ If he's only wanting to run one maybe two amps, 4 awg is PLENTY.

OP:

Obviously your goals don't coincide with other member's on here but don't let that get in your way.

I was going to say to get a 4 channel amp and bridge the rear channels for the sub, and not to power the rears, but since you like an over powering rear stage, throw that one out the window.

Search for Cerwin Vega on ebay and snag that EXL 400.4 for 123 shipped, the amp uses the same design as some very very expensive amps on the market, but the CV uses cheaper parts, no biggie.

http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=125&idproduct=382

You can use this amp for your sub, for the price they are hard to beat, plus buying directly from the manufacturer means warranty :)

For the front speakers, buy whatever you want, try and visit some shops and take a listen to everything they have (bring your own CD!!). It wont be a 100% accurate representation of what it will sound like in your car, but it will give you an idea.

Same thing goes for sub, you don't need to spend loads of money for good sound, just find something that will get you a 4 ohm final impedance for that Cadence amp.

250 for the two amps, leaves you with 200 for everything else. Honestly I'd do the install your self and save the 160. Find a buddy that's willing to help and spend a weekend installing everything, take your time and you'll be ok.

One more thing, that box you found on ebay should work ok, for 34 bucks, you can't even buy the materials local for cheaper than that to build it your self.

Hope this helps

JaVa
02-26-2009, 06:14 AM
Guy above me ^^^ If he's only wanting to run one maybe two amps, 4 awg is PLENTY.

not if he is gonna run a 700 watt amp..... the current draw is more than what 4ga is happy with and the amp will get hot.
no you dont have to run a bigger wire but its honestly best

TverRus69
02-26-2009, 07:02 AM
i redid my whole set up in my old maxima and it wasn't too hard so you def can do it by yourself. Its not really good to power speakers with 2 channels and bridge the other two but if you can - get a separate mono amp for the sub.
My ideal budget setup would be Infinity Reference components or if you can find a good deal for polk audio db5251. Get a decent mid-price ranged 4 ch amp to power the speakers. Don't cheap out on the amp tho and get one of those ebay no-name amps that claim 5 bizillion watts. If you get a solid name brand amp that puts out 50 wrms x 4 ch it'll be plenty.
Then buy a mono amp to power the sub. If thats pushing your budget too much, you can always get an amp-sub combination (its a sub with a built in amp). Theyre pretty decent.
Also dont forget that you will need to power everything so leave enough money to buy at least 6 gauge wiring kit.
Before you do anything tho, figure out the model of your deck and see what preamp outputs it has. If its a good one it will have 3 separate ones for front, rear, and sub. If not, you'll have to see what you can do.
Some amps allow you to run speaker wire from the speaker outputs and amplify that instead of using the 2v/4v preamps, but the quality is worse.

Btw the fuse rating on the amps is a relative indication of its quality and true potential.

JaVa
02-26-2009, 08:31 AM
here are some suggested power/ground cable sizes by amp
http://www.the12volt.com/info/recwirsz.asp

bass_lover1
02-26-2009, 11:41 AM
not if he is gonna run a 700 watt amp..... the current draw is more than what 4ga is happy with and the amp will get hot.
no you dont have to run a bigger wire but its honestly best


Umm, a 700 watt amplifier at 100% efficiency is only going to draw 48 amperes of current, 4 awg can handle more than double that before it's estimated max current rate will be exceeded, plus it would have to be over an extended period of time to burn up. Trust me 4awg is more than adequate.

JaVa
02-26-2009, 12:09 PM
how do you get that? watts=voltsXamps
so if we want to say that the car makes 12V
700w=12vXamps
so it should draw 58.3 amps.
the reason i say use a bigger wire is that will will get alot less loss in the wire,

anyway get the amp add up the values of the fuses on it and gauge your wire to that

Kronic Budz
02-26-2009, 12:30 PM
what about something like this? 6 channels so i can send 4 to my speakers and then bridge the last two for the sub woofer, not sure if thats ok or not. each speaker would get 45 watts rms and then the sub 150 bridged. How bad would it be to run my speakers at 45 instead of 60 watts rms? How much better would the sound quality be going from deck power at 22 rms to twice that much?

I really just dont want to have 2 amps and overloading my battery and everything, not to mention it would just be expensive to buy 2 rather then 1.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Jl-Audio-E50-Car-Amp_W0QQitemZ330310782969QQihZ014QQcategoryZ18795Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


here is my deck btw, what are the pros and cons for a system with this deck?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-9huirYjQBeu/p_113MP208/Kenwood-KDC-MP208.html

Kronic Budz
02-26-2009, 12:35 PM
or if 2 amps is a good option for me, what about these two amps right here. A 4 channel and a mono.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSS-CX350-4-Channel-400W-CHAOS-EXXTREME-AMPLIFIER-08_W0QQitemZ110345022473QQihZ001QQcategoryZ18795QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/Infinity-Reference-1300A-Car-Amp_W0QQitemZ250375183379QQihZ015QQcategoryZ18795Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

JaVa
02-26-2009, 12:59 PM
you could do 2 amps. but for the money the JL seems much better. like i said cheap amps arent the best sounding.
your better off going with one amp because your deck doesnt have a sub pre out anyway, you can run two but you will have to run all the sub settings on the amp rather then being able to controll from the HU
45w per speaker sould be just fine, there are 4 of them it will be loud :)
2 amps will put the same load on you car elec system because they will still draw about the same as one bigger one

bass_lover1
02-26-2009, 01:05 PM
how do you get that? watts=voltsXamps
so if we want to say that the car makes 12V
700w=12vXamps
so it should draw 58.3 amps.
the reason i say use a bigger wire is that will will get alot less loss in the wire,

anyway get the amp add up the values of the fuses on it and gauge your wire to that

Sorry, I did 700/14.4 = 48.611111111111111111111111111111

Even at 58 amps of draw, 4awg is good for 3 times that amount. Regardless, unless he's going crazy with it, which he doesn't appear to be, 4awg is plenty for most installs.

Two of my amps are capable of nearly 1500 watts of real world output, on music and on a varying input voltage (things not taken into account with most amp manu. ratings), and still only has 6 awg power and ground input terminals. Going by the site you linked, I would have melted even 4awg long ago [;)]


or if 2 amps is a good option for me, what about these two amps right here. A 4 channel and a mono.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSS-CX350-4-Channel-400W-CHAOS-EXXTREME-AMPLIFIER-08_W0QQitemZ110345022473QQihZ001QQcategoryZ18795QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/Infinity-Reference-1300A-Car-Amp_W0QQitemZ250375183379QQihZ015QQcategoryZ18795Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Two amps are a very good option (I have three right now, eventually four), honestly the amps you're looking at on ebay aren't nearly up to the quality that the two I linked are. The two I linked are going to be more useful than something from Boss or the likes. The JL isn't bad but I don't think that is going to fall within your budget.

JaVa
02-26-2009, 01:16 PM
ok well we have different ideas then..... i think he gets the idea and we dont need to banter any more. i have 2 amps in my system as well.
but out of all the ones posted get the JL not a cheapie.

Kronic Budz
02-26-2009, 07:59 PM
how bad of an idea would it be to buy this brand new jl audio amp on ebay for $170.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Jl-Audio-E50-Car-Amp_W0QQitemZ330310782969QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Am plifiers?hash=item330310782969&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318

I would plan on buying this amp with a set of speakers and and amp kit and just run my speakers amped for now untill i save another couple hundred for a sub and box.

JaVa
02-27-2009, 05:27 AM
seems good to me

zrowcool
02-27-2009, 06:19 AM
how bad of an idea would it be to buy this brand new jl audio amp on ebay for $170.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Jl-Audio-E50-Car-Amp_W0QQitemZ330310782969QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Am plifiers?hash=item330310782969&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A15|39%3A1|240%3A1318

I would plan on buying this amp with a set of speakers and and amp kit and just run my speakers amped for now untill i save another couple hundred for a sub and box.


You're not gunna get that amp for 170. Theres still 6 days left. I say it reaches over 350. JL equipment carries a high price tag because of the name brand.
Buy this quality 4 channel amp that comes with a 5yr warranty. I have bought from them before and absolutely love their equipment but you have to buy soon. they discontinued this amp line to market their new ones so supplies are limited. for 135 shipped and a 5yr warranty, you cant beat it anywhere.
ED nine.4 (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_22&products_id=46)

JaVa
02-27-2009, 07:35 AM
ED does make good stuff

Kronic Budz
02-27-2009, 11:56 AM
You're not gunna get that amp for 170. Theres still 6 days left. I say it reaches over 350. JL equipment carries a high price tag because of the name brand.
Buy this quality 4 channel amp that comes with a 5yr warranty. I have bought from them before and absolutely love their equipment but you have to buy soon. they discontinued this amp line to market their new ones so supplies are limited. for 135 shipped and a 5yr warranty, you cant beat it anywhere.
ED nine.4 (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_22&products_id=46)

ok well that seems like a legit amp. What will i have to do down the road when i want to get another amp to power a sub? Do i need a whole other power kit for the 2nd amplifier? Would it be more efficient on consumption wise to go with a 6 channel or a 4channel + a mono? where would be a good place to put these amps?

now that i look at it. At 4 omhs that wattage would be perfect for my rear speakers and i could just run them a little less power to my front speakers. My rears are rated for 60 watts rms and this amp pushes 65 rms on each channel at 4 omhs. I read that its better to over power speakers a little bit rather then under power them. I do like the sound of rear fill so the front speakers i would get, i would prob send only 40-45 ish watts to them if i can be that specific... Are component speakers crucial for the replacement of stock component speakers? Can i get away with just getting regular decent 2 ways, say some regular infinitys to match the rears ones i already have? What is really going to shine with components over regular 2 ways? the highs or the mids? probably both right? :/ also, what size do i need to get? 4 inch or can i push 5.25?

how much bass can i expect out of the front speakers if they are 5.25 or even as small as 4" but with an amp?

zrowcool
02-27-2009, 01:41 PM
you can power the doors of the 1st 2 channels and bridge the last 2 for the sub. not optimal but it works. buy and install a 4ga wiring kit, if you choose to add another amp later on, all you have to buy is a distribution block and just split the power wire that way.

highs and mids sound better with comps since you can raise the stage a bit since the tweets are seperate and it allows more cone area for your mids. does it make a huge difference, maybe; do most people notice or care, not really.

with your budget i would buy the amp i posted, buy 2 sets of comps for the doors and a 4ga wiring kit. if you want more bass you can add the sub later on when you have the money for it.

$135 for quality amp (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=46)
4ga wiring kit (http://cgi.ebay.com/METRA-SURGE-1600W-AMPLIFIER-WIRING-KIT-4GA-SPK40_W0QQitemZ370061771037QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_ Electronics_Installation?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116)
2 sets at a lil over 100 bucks for both (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SONY-XS-GTX1620S-6-5-2-WAY-COMPONENT-SET-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ320338068230QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC ar_Speakers?hash=item320338068230&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

thats like half your budget leaving room for the install or a sub and box

Kronic Budz
02-27-2009, 02:24 PM
you can power the doors of the 1st 2 channels and bridge the last 2 for the sub. not optimal but it works. buy and install a 4ga wiring kit, if you choose to add another amp later on, all you have to buy is a distribution block and just split the power wire that way.

highs and mids sound better with comps since you can raise the stage a bit since the tweets are seperate and it allows more cone area for your mids. does it make a huge difference, maybe; do most people notice or care, not really.

with your budget i would buy the amp i posted, buy 2 sets of comps for the doors and a 4ga wiring kit. if you want more bass you can add the sub later on when you have the money for it.

$135 for quality amp (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=46)
4ga wiring kit (http://cgi.ebay.com/METRA-SURGE-1600W-AMPLIFIER-WIRING-KIT-4GA-SPK40_W0QQitemZ370061771037QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_ Electronics_Installation?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116)
2 sets at a lil over 100 bucks for both (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-SONY-XS-GTX1620S-6-5-2-WAY-COMPONENT-SET-SPEAKERS_W0QQitemZ320338068230QQcmdZViewItemQQptZC ar_Speakers?hash=item320338068230&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

thats like half your budget leaving room for the install or a sub and box

thanks i have already been considering the first recommendation for that 4 ch amp... The thing is, i want to power my rear 6.5 inch speakers more before the fronts i will be installing. They are extremely underpowered at the moment and its killing me. I like the rear overpowering anyway. I like hearing the rears and then the fronts compliments.

Also u gave me a link for speakers that are 6.5 inch. Im gunna need 4 inch or 5.25 for the fronts right?

zrowcool
02-27-2009, 02:53 PM
5.25 is the stock size, your installer can put some 6.5's in there without any major issues. maybe a little trimming or a spacer.

i've never met someone who like the sound coming from the rear but to each its own. its as if watching a concert but sitting the wrong way. just lower the gain for the channels you have the rears wired up to. with a 4ch amp, you can control front and rear independently.

Kronic Budz
02-27-2009, 04:48 PM
5.25 is the stock size, your installer can put some 6.5's in there without any major issues. maybe a little trimming or a spacer.

i've never met someone who like the sound coming from the rear but to each its own. its as if watching a concert but sitting the wrong way. just lower the gain for the channels you have the rears wired up to. with a 4ch amp, you can control front and rear independently.


lol i know what your saying but i like the sound being able to be heard from multiple speakers instead of just from one angle. It seems more boring to me.[:(]

I like being able to hear the rears and then the fronts to compliment. and how sure are you on being able to get 6.5 in the front without to much modifying, Doesnt seem like there is a ton of space in there. I thought the 5.25 took some modifying to fit right.

zrowcool
02-27-2009, 04:52 PM
i have the bose system which had 5.25 speakers on on all 4 doors and then 6.5's in the rear deck. the doors now have 6.5's in it. all i had to do was make a spacer since the magnet was too big and wouldn't let the window go all the way down. im not 100% on the non-bose but the doors are the same.

buck
02-27-2009, 04:52 PM
strange that you want a more powerfull rear-stage. Usually the rear speakers are just for 'fill'. You don't get as good imaging with rear speakers as you do with the front.

Get a decent set of fronts, components (separates) are generally better, but co-axial (tweeter integrated into driver speaker) are still ok. If you do components, either a 3/4 or 1" tweeter will fit. As previously stated, the driver is a 5-1/4", there's not a ton of room to fit a 6.5... but it's doable with more mods/trimming.

You can do either a two channel + four channel amp, or a 5/6 channel. Whatever is less costly will work.

For buget, yet still good sounding setups, I've run Infinity speakers as well as Pioneer. Honestly, I was more impressed with the Pioneers. You should be able to find a decent set of 5-1/4" speakers for cheap.

As for a sub, I've had many setups ranging from single 10" to multiple 12". Right now, I'm running a single high-end 10", as it is my preffered setup for all music types. If you listen to a lot of 'bassy' music, and like that extra little louder low frequency vibration in your rib cage, a single 12" will work. My sub prefference is JL Audio.

As for amp power/ground wire - 4-gauge is going to be plenty. If you're running 2 amps, run the 4-gauge into a splitter/distribution block, and run 8 gauge to each amp.

I'm not clear on what you're running for a head-unit... the Kenwood or the stock Symphony? The stock Symphony only has 4 pre-amp line outs. You'd need to split the rear channels to send a sub signal. Downfall with that is that you can't control the bass with the fader on the Symphony independantly from the rear speakers.

Anyhoo, work with your buget, and regardless of what you end up with, it'll sound better than it does now.

Kronic Budz
02-27-2009, 05:49 PM
strange that you want a more powerfull rear-stage. Usually the rear speakers are just for 'fill'. You don't get as good imaging with rear speakers as you do with the front.

Get a decent set of fronts, components (separates) are generally better, but co-axial (tweeter integrated into driver speaker) are still ok. If you do components, either a 3/4 or 1" tweeter will fit. As previously stated, the driver is a 5-1/4", there's not a ton of room to fit a 6.5... but it's doable with more mods/trimming.

You can do either a two channel + four channel amp, or a 5/6 channel. Whatever is less costly will work.

For buget, yet still good sounding setups, I've run Infinity speakers as well as Pioneer. Honestly, I was more impressed with the Pioneers. You should be able to find a decent set of 5-1/4" speakers for cheap.

As for a sub, I've had many setups ranging from single 10" to multiple 12". Right now, I'm running a single high-end 10", as it is my preffered setup for all music types. If you listen to a lot of 'bassy' music, and like that extra little louder low frequency vibration in your rib cage, a single 12" will work. My sub prefference is JL Audio.

As for amp power/ground wire - 4-gauge is going to be plenty. If you're running 2 amps, run the 4-gauge into a splitter/distribution block, and run 8 gauge to each amp.

I'm not clear on what you're running for a head-unit... the Kenwood or the stock Symphony? The stock Symphony only has 4 pre-amp line outs. You'd need to split the rear channels to send a sub signal. Downfall with that is that you can't control the bass with the fader on the Symphony independantly from the rear speakers.

Anyhoo, work with your buget, and regardless of what you end up with, it'll sound better than it does now.

thanks for the info, i am currently running a kenwood deck that i posted in post #25.

buck
02-28-2009, 10:23 AM
here is my deck btw, what are the pros and cons for a system with this deck?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-9huirYjQBeu/p_113MP208/Kenwood-KDC-MP208.html


Downfall with this deck is that it only has 2 pre-amp outputs. That means you can only independently run 2 channels of an amp.

You can still amplify 5/6 channels, but you'll need hi/low level converters to convert the amplified speaker wire channel to inputs that you amp can make use of.

Note: you can not directly hook up speaker wire inputs to your amp, unless the amp has special provisions to take these higher voltage inputs.

Problem with the converters is that I've never heard any that give a clean signal. You either get a fain humming, or engine noise coming through the speakers.

You can try an source an amp that takes speaker or hi-level inputs, but it's not going to sound as good. The speaker wires will act as antennas for RF noise, and the amplifier will do just that, amplify the RF noises if they are present. I don't even know how common these amps are nowadays.

for reference, here's a shot of my last setup:
(not a 'show' wiring job I know, but it does the job [:p])
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/551Stereo_Amps_sm.JPG

The big amp runs off of the rear channels to power the sub, and the little one runs off of the front channel to power the components in the doors.

also, for reference, here's the depth of my 5-1/4" mounted in the door:

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/551Stereo_Door_Modified_sm.JPG

It's a relatively large magnet, but still just clears the bottom of the window regulator.

Kronic Budz
02-28-2009, 11:16 AM
ok so if my deck only has 2 pre amp outputs then its going to be a lot harder to hook up for then 4 channels to it? If thats the case, maybe i should just go 4 channel and amp only 1 pair of my speakers with a bridged sub?

zrowcool
02-28-2009, 07:48 PM
you can use rca splitters to run more channels. You just cant adjust front/back or left/right depending on how you wire it through the headunit. not a big deal since one you have it set, you would rarely adjust that anyway.

Kronic Budz
03-03-2009, 12:41 PM
went a head and purchased this amplifier...


http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_22&products_id=46