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Tifun
02-22-2009, 06:56 PM
So, I'm about to get an alignment along with my new tires and suspension and get back into summer mode. So, my question is, who else is having retard issues with extreme inside tire wear. My last set lasted 10,000 miles and the tread was perfect, minus the inside edge which is nothing but cords and wire.

What are you guys doing to correct this issue, or make it less dramatic. I was hoping to find adjustable control arms, but can't seem to find any. I really don't like buying new tires every 10k. Also, is there any adjustment for the camber at all.


And of course, here's a pic for clicks lol.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3465/3264853105_70f3241d7b.jpg

black99.5a4
02-22-2009, 07:01 PM
stern has adjustable arms. ask the_pirate he just bought some

a4mafia(Red)
02-22-2009, 07:02 PM
[:)] your car is toooo low [up]

biketsai
02-22-2009, 07:06 PM
I don't think there is really any fix for that unless you pick up some form of adjustable suspension components. I am running the CPP adjustable arms and my camber is perfect set at -1.5

Poopie
02-22-2009, 07:06 PM
my buddy just flips the tires when i put about 8k miles on them and i can squeeze like 15k miles on the set of front tires. The alignment is within spec, just the dynamics of the suspension geometry from being so low changes during cornering so you get more inner tire wear.

belinko
02-22-2009, 07:07 PM
Check out purems.com for your Stern adjustable CA's. I'm sure Mike can point you in the right direction.

Tifun
02-22-2009, 07:14 PM
I just checked out Purems with stern. Where can I find CPP? Never heard of them. I would like to see all of my options lol.

Anyone know the OEM spec for out camber? I'm planning on putting the specs as close to stock as possible. I know I'm low and understand I will never get it perfect, I just want it better lol, which is why I think the adjustable control arms will help me out in this department. Also, I like the idea of swapping tires around but I think it's a bit expensive to remount since the are directional lol.

the_pirate
02-22-2009, 07:35 PM
i bought the stern adjustable control arms with the 12pc control arm kit from Purems. my shiz has never felt so good in the front end, my GTF is 22.5" and my tires are wearing nice and evenly [:D]

pics because i'm whorish like that [>_<]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n139/thepirate_01/Picture019-2.jpg

.Mad Hatter.
02-22-2009, 08:26 PM
fuuuuuuck, Tifun, youre not even on coils, are you?

Tifun
02-22-2009, 08:40 PM
Not yet lol. I will be very very soon. Hopefully I'll have them this week and on this weekend. Kinda why I'm asking about the alignment. Gotta get this sorted quickly. Only thing that sucks is I don't have an extra 500 to buy these right now. I wish I could find a nice set of used ones.

biketsai
02-22-2009, 08:45 PM
Unfortunately CPP is not around anymore. My toe is as close to stock spec and my camber looks great with even tire wear. My alignment guys have an extremely time aligning my car with the arms, they don't even touch my subframe

Poopie
02-22-2009, 08:56 PM
i've read that the cpp's only last a year on a DD. then you got to get new joints and re-align.

Tifun
02-22-2009, 08:57 PM
you don't happen to have a pic of them do you?

biketsai
02-22-2009, 09:28 PM
Sorry I dont have a picture, but they look identical to these:
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-51050362841147_2038_3249781
http://www.audiworld.com/reviews/suspension/susp07.shtml

Poopie
02-22-2009, 09:39 PM
there are http://www.purems.com/products/product.php/II=2681

and also kmac makes a camber bushing kit for like 300 bucks i think

.Mad Hatter.
02-22-2009, 09:48 PM
so Ti is only on H&R race, what are you guys with similiar and lower setups doing to ensure youre not chewing through tires?

is eveyone lower than stock sport height having these issues, or could it be because of his tire size?

Kyle H
02-22-2009, 09:54 PM
I'm a tad higher than h&r race (25.5" gtf) and my tires have lasted 20k miles now.... 380 treadwear with lots of canyon/aggressive driving.

.Mad Hatter.
02-22-2009, 09:57 PM
what setup?

Kyle H
02-22-2009, 10:06 PM
stasis streetsports, stock everything else suspension-wise (except ap racing endlinks), 17x8 fliks, 225/45-17 general exclaim uhp tires.

alignment sheet:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/alignment.jpg?t=1235369157

Tifun
02-23-2009, 05:00 AM
there are http://www.purems.com/products/product.php/II=2681

and also kmac makes a camber bushing kit for like 300 bucks i think

Hmmm. I'm going to look up that bushing kit. Haven't heard of that option for these cars.

road race s4
02-23-2009, 05:17 AM
Set TOE to 0, that's what's killing your tires.

ILoveT
02-23-2009, 09:05 AM
Set TOE to 0, that's what's killing your tires.

No shit?? [headbang]

The geometry of his car is jacked since he is lowered.

bjmeur01
02-23-2009, 09:13 AM
Does anyone have any experience with the Kmac kits since they seem to be the better choice on a DD? When I purchased my new Febi control arms a few months back, I opted out of getting the adjustable control arms for the factors of cost and longevity. It seems like the Kmac kits would last considerably longer but I am curious to know if anyone has that kit.

Thanks

road race s4
02-23-2009, 10:00 AM
No shit?? [headbang]

The geometry of his car is jacked since he is lowered.


As long as TOE is 0 and camber is approximately -2.5* or less he shouldn't have any issues with tires wearing out quick.

I drove a 91 eclipse gsx with -4* of rear camber for more than 2 years and put on about 20k miles. Tires still looked good.....TOE was 0.

By comparison the tech messed up the TOE on the front tires and within 2 weeks (maybe 200 miles or so) the front tires were bald and the cords were showing on the inside edge.

.Mad Hatter.
02-23-2009, 10:06 AM
isnt -2.5 alot?

i would think closer to -1.5

Kyle H
02-23-2009, 10:13 AM
Yup I shredded a set of snow tires FAST when my toe was bad.

road race s4
02-23-2009, 02:13 PM
isnt -2.5 alot?

i would think closer to -1.5


-2.5* is a lot and that's the most I would go with on a car that's being driven agressivly on the street.

Tifun
02-23-2009, 02:22 PM
I really think setting the toe at zero is not a good idea. Just seems to be what I'm picking up from all the crap I've been reading about it.

Kyle H
02-23-2009, 02:41 PM
Nah it's fine to have ~1/8" toe either direction... if you want high speed stability go with toe in, if you want quick turn-in go with toe out.

Tifun
02-23-2009, 03:00 PM
I just want daily ability lol. I drive this car on the street 99% of the time and 1% on tracks, like 99% of the rest of the population lol. I don't need to be in race mode 24/7 haha. As much as I would like to, it's just not a smart thing to do, so why waste the tires. They aren't getting any cheaper.

Hey the_pirate......how do the sterns feel quality wise. The one turn nut slightly concerns me. Just curious to see what your thoughts are for long term, also how exactly are they serviceable, I'm not seeing any grease points.

road race s4
02-23-2009, 03:09 PM
I just want daily ability lol. I drive this car on the street 99% of the time and 1% on tracks, like 99% of the rest of the population lol. I don't need to be in race mode 24/7 haha. As much as I would like to, it's just not a smart thing to do, so why waste the tires. They aren't getting any cheaper


Then set TOE to 0 all around and camber up to -1.5* and you're set.

somebody5788
02-23-2009, 04:32 PM
Were all set on the coil overs and tires just let me know what i was supposed to order again and ill submit the order and you just go and pick them up and pay for them. You will have to tell them your from Global Auto picking them up but thats not a problem.

the_pirate
02-23-2009, 04:54 PM
I just want daily ability lol. I drive this car on the street 99% of the time and 1% on tracks, like 99% of the rest of the population lol. I don't need to be in race mode 24/7 haha. As much as I would like to, it's just not a smart thing to do, so why waste the tires. They aren't getting any cheaper.

Hey the_pirate......how do the sterns feel quality wise. The one turn nut slightly concerns me. Just curious to see what your thoughts are for long term, also how exactly are they serviceable, I'm not seeing any grease points.

the quality is solid so far. i have to do an update in like 6 months...and i don't know about the rest of you guys but i don't drive my car very much. maybe 10 -15 miles round trip to work monday - friday and then sometimes on sunday to see my parents which is about 40 miles...

maybe my shiz will last longer because i don't drive the car a whole lot like most people....

why does the nut concern you? and when they say serviceable i have no clue because they didn't look serviceable to me...

biketsai
02-23-2009, 05:14 PM
Then set TOE to 0 all around and camber up to -1.5* and you're set.

If only it was THAT easy

Tifun
02-23-2009, 05:34 PM
the quality is solid so far. i have to do an update in like 6 months...and i don't know about the rest of you guys but i don't drive my car very much. maybe 10 -15 miles round trip to work monday - friday and then sometimes on sunday to see my parents which is about 40 miles...

maybe my shiz will last longer because i don't drive the car a whole lot like most people....

why does the nut concern you? and when they say serviceable i have no clue because they didn't look serviceable to me...

Well, I guess really, I work with stuff that takes a lot of inertia and we have items that have bolts like that, which are ran in the center of an object getting slammed constantly. The bolt's seem to bend and wear the threads out. Of course maybe the ones on the Sterns are much stronger, I really don't know. Really, anything adjustable like that is prone to this issue depending on the amount of force on a daily basis. I'm still curious what they mean about full service. I mean, I can drill and tap and put a grease port in to make it full service for the ball joint.

road race s4
02-23-2009, 07:12 PM
If only it was THAT easy

Forgive me, not to familiar with the Audi suspension/steering setup (I'm still looking to buy an B6 S4) but I thought the front TOE can easily be set by adjusting the tie rods.
Is the rear TOE adjustable at all?

Wyo_A4
02-23-2009, 09:34 PM
I just got mine aligned Friday when I got my coilovers put on, they said they couldn't do anything because the control arms arent adjustable.

The back wheels are at -1.2 degrees of camber (I didnt see what the front was set at), how much faster do you think my tires will wear out now?

Kyle H
02-23-2009, 09:47 PM
Camber doesn't wear tires, toe does. The only thing the shop should do is make the camber equal and in most cases they'll give you 1/16-3/32 toe in.

road race s4
02-24-2009, 04:55 AM
(I didnt see what the front was set at),

They should of given you a printout with the before and after numbers.

Kyle H
02-24-2009, 07:00 AM
The back wheels are at -1.2 degrees of camber (I didnt see what the front was set at), how much faster do you think my tires will wear out now?

If you look at my alignment sheet i'm at around -1.1 degrees negative camber and my tires have no abnormal wear. You'll be fine.

.Mad Hatter.
02-24-2009, 07:49 AM
Camber doesn't wear tires, toe does. The only thing the shop should do is make the camber equal and in most cases they'll give you 1/16-3/32 toe in.


well...no.

extreme positive or negative camber will absolutely wear tires rapidly. a slight negative camber is generally sought after though.

i personally would prefer to have a slight toe out, because i dont drag race my car, i would auto x or road race.

road race s4
02-24-2009, 08:16 AM
well...no.

extreme positive or negative camber will absolutely wear tires rapidly. a slight negative camber is generally sought after though.

i personally would prefer to have a slight toe out, because i dont drag race my car, i would auto x or road race.



Both, camber and TOE will cause tires to wear out. The difference is that a wrong TOE setting will wear the tires in no time while a wrong camber setting can take a long time. Again this is from personal experience, I ran -4* of camber on the rear of my gsx for 2 years and at least 20k miles and the tires still had even thread all the way across.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/roadracevr-4/gsx/is_00021.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm68/roadracevr-4/gsx/is_00022.jpg