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slopoke
02-19-2009, 12:53 PM
Besides stand alone, what do you guys feel is the strongest file for a eliminator turbo on an aeb?

.Mad Hatter.
02-19-2009, 12:58 PM
uni has some good files for the AEB, are you 28rs or 2871?

slopoke
02-19-2009, 01:05 PM
havent decided yet, but from what i have read the 2871 doesnt seem to be worth it

JumboBlack1.8
02-19-2009, 01:08 PM
I don't know what or where you're reading, but a 2871r is plenty. Its the most "streetable" turbo and spools faster than 30series turbos.

Also, if you want an elim, how can you not think 2871r or a GTRS is worth it?????....those are the only two eliminator turbos man...

Sounds like u've gotta do a bit more research

slopoke
02-19-2009, 01:09 PM
I don't know what or where you're reading, but a 2871r is plenty. Its the most "streetable" turbo and spools faster than 30series turbos.

Also, if you want an elim, how can you not think 2871r or a GTRS is worth it?????....those are the only two eliminator turbos man...

Sounds like u've gotta do a bit more research



no no no maybe i stated it wrong sorry, im leaning towards the gtrs because everyone has posted how the 71r isnt any different power wise

JumboBlack1.8
02-19-2009, 01:16 PM
My mistake, I misunderstood...

Well, from experience, I'd say a 2871r is definitely a worthwhile upgrade over the GTRS. It has a larger compressor wheel (by about 9mm IIRC) and does put down a bit more power, albeit not a TON more. And the difference in prices is only $95.

.Mad Hatter.
02-19-2009, 01:17 PM
it puts out 50 more hp for what...$100 more?

.Mad Hatter.
02-19-2009, 01:17 PM
if you go 2871(possibly gtrs as well) uni has a 630cc file for it.

slopoke
02-19-2009, 01:21 PM
if you go 2871(possibly gtrs as well) uni has a 630cc file for it.

safe for stock rods?

.Mad Hatter.
02-19-2009, 01:35 PM
i think most with elim setups on the AEB leave the internals alone. thats not to say all do, but with a moderate tune you should be ok

slopoke
02-19-2009, 01:58 PM
i already have a 3" tp, 2.75" neuspeed exhaust, fmic.. so what i will need will be turbo, lines, clutch, tune, injectors right? I am staying with the stock manifold...

I am basically looking for a fun dd, i was going to go k04 but for a few hundred bucks i figured to just go this route so i will be happy a little longer lol... Are HIGH 12's possible? and all the k04's i have seen run mid 14's my k03 ran 14.8 so why bother?

.Mad Hatter.
02-19-2009, 02:02 PM
this route is more than a couple more than a k04, dont kid yourself.

all youd need with a k04 is the turbo and the tune/injectors(again from uni).

slopoke
02-19-2009, 02:04 PM
and a clutch.. which is all i need for elim also correct?

.Mad Hatter.
02-19-2009, 02:39 PM
i wouldnt do the clutch on either unless it went

the turbo, injectors, tune, etc. are all more with the elim vs. the k04. i worked it out and i can do a k04 build for about 1000-1500 less than a 2871

fernando
02-19-2009, 02:45 PM
and a clutch.. which is all i need for elim also correct?

for your elim setup you will need more....that is if you want to do it right....you will need bigger injectors, bigger MAF housing, replace that restrictive cat with either a highflow cat or a test pipe, a good TIP, a highflow exhaust manifold, not sure if you already have a boost gauge, but if you don't you need one, you will also need a wideband so that you can see how things are running, last thing that you want is to go lean, and blow your engine up, you will also need a decent cold air intake, and i think that you said you already have a front mount....now all of these mods aren't really necessary other than the injectors, but if you want to do it right that is the way you need to go... so when you factor all of this in your probably looking at another 2K if not more...just my 2 cents

.Mad Hatter.
02-19-2009, 02:50 PM
agreed

JumboBlack1.8
02-19-2009, 03:00 PM
You better do ur clutch....if u plan on pushing this hard (which it sounds like u are, since ur asking bout the 1/4 mile), then ur clutch will slip badly....mine did on a maxed out K03.

But this will be an expensive project. Going with an Elim is NOT cheap. Its easier than going with a full size turbo (as far as installation goes), but the cost will add up quickly. Do a lil more searching. Lots of people have gone this route before

Poopie
02-19-2009, 03:11 PM
stock clutch won't hold eliminator power. I made 315whp on a gt2871r elim with chris tapp tune. I discovered the rod got bend slightly as some point when i rebuilt my motor for a gt3071r. go with a uni tune since its less aggressive a bit less complicated to set up the intake.

slopoke
02-19-2009, 03:34 PM
for your elim setup you will need more....that is if you want to do it right....you will need bigger injectors, bigger MAF housing, replace that restrictive cat with either a highflow cat or a test pipe, a good TIP, a highflow exhaust manifold, not sure if you already have a boost gauge, but if you don't you need one, you will also need a wideband so that you can see how things are running, last thing that you want is to go lean, and blow your engine up, you will also need a decent cold air intake, and i think that you said you already have a front mount....now all of these mods aren't really necessary other than the injectors, but if you want to do it right that is the way you need to go... so when you factor all of this in your probably looking at another 2K if not more...just my 2 cents


As stated already i have a 3" tp, and i am keeping the stock cast manifold.. To many horror stories about the aftermarket ones and i want to keep it looking bone stock, besides the exhaust tips i guess lol... And yes i have a boosst gauge

Price really isnt a factor being i just just almost $7k back from taxes =)

slopoke
02-19-2009, 03:36 PM
however nobody answered my 1320 questions... Should i be able to hit my desired 12.9?

Don Supreme
02-19-2009, 03:39 PM
^ If you are determined to go with an Elim (don't recommend them overall) then go with the GTRS

If you have ALL THE SUPPORTING MODS then you should be able to run 12.9 or better on race gas.

However, you will probably run 14s with the just the turbo, tune and stock everything else.

fernando
02-19-2009, 03:50 PM
^ If you are determined to go with an Elim (don't recommend them overall) then go with the GTRS

If you have ALL THE SUPPORTING MODS then you should be able to run 12.9 or better on race gas.

However, you will probably run 14s with the just the turbo, tune and stock everything else.

DON if you don't mind me asking is there a reason why you don't recommend elim kits???

dualaudi
02-19-2009, 03:50 PM
Here's my shopping list when i did mine... wideband can be had cheaper, but this was a good deal i thought. You said you might have some of these...

LINKY <-- pix (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191493)

$700 gtrs (used previous audzine b6 avant owner)
$300 mika - tweaked for 550's t3/t4
$220 580cc's
$200 Wideband lc-1 used
$125 3" atp test pipe
$100 3" HKS filter
$50 3" MAF Aluminum housing
$30 Custom intake
$20 misc tubing - extend waterline. - larger boost hoses.

Good luck.. get the 71r elim... mo-power.

Don Supreme
02-19-2009, 03:54 PM
DON if you don't mind me asking is there a reason why you don't recommend elim kits???

By the time you have spent the money on all the supporting mods to actually have a decent performing car you could have purchased a full GT setup.

The full GT setup is going to spool and perform better. Additionally, it gives you so much more flexibility for future upgrades.

Go T3 turbo.

slopoke
02-19-2009, 03:58 PM
how do you figure? a full gt setup will require a custom tune, EXPENSIVE FMIC, custom tp/dp, a bigger exhaust than i already have now, an expensive manifold, built bottom end, etc...

no thanks if i was that interested to run 11's -10's i would buy a ls1 with a cam and 200 shot and be done...

I just want to add on to the parts i already have, not replace them

slopoke
02-19-2009, 03:59 PM
Here's my shopping list when i did mine... wideband can be had cheaper, but this was a good deal i thought. You said you might have some of these...

LINKY <-- pix (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191493)

$700 gtrs (used previous audzine b6 avant owner)
$300 mika - tweaked for 550's t3/t4
$220 580cc's
$200 Wideband lc-1 used
$125 3" atp test pipe
$100 3" HKS filter
$50 3" MAF Aluminum housing
$30 Custom intake
$20 misc tubing - extend waterline. - larger boost hoses.

Good luck.. get the 71r elim... mo-power.

clutch? flywheel?

JumboBlack1.8
02-19-2009, 04:04 PM
What exactly do you mean by a "custom" tune? I'm not so sure you've got your information entirely straight......the same tune will work fine for both elim and full turbos. If you went T3, you'd need an ATP manifold and downpipe.....those are the only two changes u'd have to make in ur setup

If I had $7k to spend, I'd build my motor (at least rods and minor head work), then wait a bit more and throw on a BAT

slopoke
02-19-2009, 04:08 PM
hmmm thanks guys.. but how long will the bottom end last on a gt30/35?

dualaudi
02-19-2009, 04:11 PM
clutch? flywheel?

Stock... was almost new when the gtrs went in... i can't launch with it, so i don't try...


re: everyone saying to full gt

it is more money, i just p&p my mani, no need for custome tp/dp ($).... imo anyway....

JumboBlack1.8
02-19-2009, 04:12 PM
hmmm thanks guys.. but how long will the bottom end last on a gt30/35?

Whoa.....slow down..haha..when Don said T3, he was referring to a T3 flanged GT28RS or GT2871r....not a GT30r/35.....those are a lil too much for the stock block

check these out (you can select a T3 exhaust housing option):
http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_100&products_id=703
http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_100&products_id=713

If you went with T3 housing, you wouldn't have to change hardware if you decide you want to build ur engine and get an even bigger turbo in the future

dualaudi
02-19-2009, 04:13 PM
What exactly do you mean by a "custom" tune? I'm not so sure you've got your information entirely straight......the same tune will work fine for both elim and full turbos. If you went T3, you'd need an ATP manifold and downpipe.....those are the only two changes u'd have to make in ur setup


You need custom oil/water lines. (well off the shelf but you need them)

so what's the added cost for Manifold, tp/dp, lines?

AudiRacerS4
02-19-2009, 04:53 PM
You need custom oil/water lines. (well off the shelf but you need them)

so what's the added cost for Manifold, tp/dp, lines?

t3 manifold is ~$450, downpipe is ~$275, lines ~$250

Don Supreme
02-19-2009, 04:58 PM
Whoa.....slow down..haha..when Don said T3, he was referring to a T3 flanged GT28RS or GT2871r....not a GT30r/35.....those are a lil too much for the stock blow

check these out (you can select a T3 exhaust housing option):
http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_100&products_id=703
http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_100&products_id=713

If you went with T3 housing, you wouldn't have to change hardware if you decide you want to build ur engine and get an even bigger turbo in the future


Exactly.

The OPs mind is set. I am not going to try and sway him. I was simply answering a question asked by another member in this thread (not the OP).

The OP will have to learn from experience. I also ran an eliminator on my car and realized what a waste it was in the end; so I am speaking from experience.

Don Supreme
02-19-2009, 05:02 PM
how do you figure? a full gt setup will require a custom tune, EXPENSIVE FMIC, custom tp/dp, a bigger exhaust than i already have now, an expensive manifold, built bottom end, etc...

no thanks if i was that interested to run 11's -10's i would buy a ls1 with a cam and 200 shot and be done...

I just want to add on to the parts i already have, not replace them


You are being excessive. I didn't say anything about 11s or 10s!

You said you wanted to run 12.9. Well understand this, by the time you have all the supporting mods to run 12.9, you would have spent "around" the same money on a full t3 setup (gt28rs,gt2871, etc).

You need a custom tune for a full 28x series as much you need one for your eliminator, which is to say A CUSTOM TUNE IS ALWAYS BEST, but the 28s are so common that several decent off the self tunes already exisit.

slopoke
02-20-2009, 10:41 AM
back on topic i can get a Mika 440cc tune dirt cheap, would it be worth it?

JumboBlack1.8
02-20-2009, 10:53 AM
Do a seach on Mika.......you wont' find much good feedback about it

t1demont1
02-20-2009, 11:06 AM
Mika is garbage. ntm from what ive heard theyre customer support doesnt really exist since theyre in another country. Seen too many cars blow up on mika. As everyone suggested, got Tapp or Unitronics.

pipe7284
02-20-2009, 01:37 PM
I have mika on my girls gtrs a4, I run it hard all day every day, no problems whatsoever, but sine I want a gt2871r later I am willing to sell you my mika tune with 440cc at a good price. Pm me if interested.

djwimbo
02-20-2009, 02:10 PM
how do you figure? a full gt setup will require a custom tune, EXPENSIVE FMIC, custom tp/dp, a bigger exhaust than i already have now, an expensive manifold, built bottom end, etc...

no thanks if i was that interested to run 11's -10's i would buy a ls1 with a cam and 200 shot and be done...

False. The exhaust you have now would be fine. Custom tune? No, Call up Unitronic, they have files for just about any turbo you can afford to put on there. Doing a cheap FMIC isn't difficult.

10's out of an LS1 doesn't take a 200 shot, just a good driver and a H/C car.

12.9 is possible out of an elim-71r with a good tune, better driver and supporting mods.

Another option is the cheaper T3/T4 50-trim, but you would need a different manifold and downpipe.

If you're after 1/4mi numbers, don't bother with a K04, or anything that bolts up to the restrictive stock manifold. T3 manifold will actually flow worth a damn.

97a41.8t
02-20-2009, 03:16 PM
Don Supreme is right about the cost being the same.

I recently did the GTRS eliminator and could have done the GT28RS with exhaust manifold with all supporting mods.

Unitronics has tunes for both turbos, and in the end it will cost roughly the same.

GT28RS ~$1k- $1.1k
GTRS ~ $1.4k-$1.6k

If i were to do it all over again i would do the GT28RS.

Anyways, I run Unitronics on the GTRS :)

slopoke
02-20-2009, 07:52 PM
10's out of an LS1 doesn't take a 200 shot, just a good driver and a H/C car.



NO

djwimbo
02-20-2009, 08:15 PM
NO

I reserve the right to be wrong, but my roommate and I built a 4th Gen F-body that ran a bone stock bottom end with a H/C pkg that ran 11.8 with a very poor driver. He wanted 10's so we hooked him up with a 150 shot, he ran it once but didn't hit the 10s mark b/c he can't drive.
Getting a school bus (4th gen Camaro) to run 10's isn't that easy, but it doesn't take that much N20 to get it there. We were running mid 11's in the Vette that was set up for road race. Even though we built the engine to be able to handle a 250 shot, it never saw it.

Anyways, back on topic.

If you want an elim, go with an elim. But don't complain if you do the math later and find out you could make more power and have faster spool with a "real" turbo.

black99.5a4
02-20-2009, 08:17 PM
if its 99+ ls1, then it takes h/c, supporting mods, m6 car with 4.10's and a 200 shot will see high tens with a good driver.. built a few in my day for customers.

back in 05, we were doing 620rwhp on cam only cars (cam and bolt ons) with 200 shot.. which the ls1 can take all day, if you use the right jets)