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Pete@IE
02-11-2009, 12:48 AM
http://a763.g.akamai.net/7/763/1644/3/app.infopia.com/img/image/fp/VPID/6672263
http://a763.g.akamai.net/7/763/1644/2/app.infopia.com/img/image/fp/VPID/6672263/extra/1/
http://a763.g.akamai.net/7/763/1644/2/app.infopia.com/img/image/fp/VPID/6672263/extra/2/

We are stocking up on parts this month guys, and now we have a decent selection of Cat's in stock also. We'll be bringing more in and rounding out our selection as we find out what you guys want the most of. Right now, we have 3653's, 3658's, and 3652's in stock, as well as some hairy solid lifter cams (3758 280 degrees!)

They all come with adjustable cam gears now, as you can see in the pictures, so there is no more worry about the gears spinning on the end of the cam, and no more hassle dowel pinning them either.

Let us know if there are cams you want, that we don't have... We are planning on bringing in another batch here in a few weeks which will include 3651's, additional 16v grinds, and possibly vr6 grinds as well. [wrench]

Our full lineup of Cat Cams! (http://www.intengineering.com/Shop/Control/fp/cat/262362/SFV/32093/set_num/1/menu_num/2)

As usual, you can catch me via email: pete@intengineering.com or by AIM petegti20 if you need any more info or guidance.

Pete

njm23
02-11-2009, 04:55 AM
nice!

1NaudiA4
02-11-2009, 10:45 AM
Do you guys have the billet cams too?

Pete@IE
02-11-2009, 02:22 PM
We didn't bring any in the first batch, I will probably bring in some billet 3652's in the next batch, I just figured most of the demand would be for the cheaper cast ones.

AudiA4_20T
02-11-2009, 06:30 PM
how much more are the billet ones?

michael66899
02-11-2009, 07:00 PM
I'm definately picking some of these up when I go BT, but I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand before after comparisons such as a dyno run, I would be very interested to see some of the gains and curves on these bigger turbo cars. I think everyone would be pretty interested and it seems info on aftermarket cams is really neglected around here.

AudiA4_20T
02-11-2009, 07:01 PM
I'm definately picking some of these up when I go BT, but I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand before after comparisons such as a dyno run, I would be very interested to see some of the gains and curves on these bigger turbo cars. I think everyone would be pretty interested and it seems info on aftermarket cams is really neglected around here.

FYI The cat 3652 made 100fwhp more on a 600whp car to make 700whp

njm23
02-11-2009, 07:09 PM
^^ the billet ones were about $200 more when I was pricing them. I think they were right around $830 or something for the set if I remember correctly.

A4Rob
02-11-2009, 07:35 PM
Must have....

T3hD0gg
02-11-2009, 07:50 PM
Random question: Will fuel economy suffer with upgraded cams like these? I hear of BAT people getting 30+ MPG on the highway but I was wondering if cams would hurt that.

AudiA4_20T
02-11-2009, 07:52 PM
^^ the billet ones were about $200 more when I was pricing them. I think they were right around $830 or something for the set if I remember correctly.

what is better about them?

Pete@IE
02-12-2009, 09:55 AM
Thanks guys...

These guys are all right on the money, they are about $200 more. It used to be that only the billets had the adjustable cam gears, but not anymore. The real reason to use a billet is for the more durable billet steel, rather then cast iron. They also have much lower chances of having a defect / incursion / some other problem with the casting. So, material properties aside, it's the exact same camshaft.

With the milder grinds like the 3653, I wouldn't expect much change in fuel mileage at all. Once you start getting into the 3658's or 52's, i would expect something measurable. That said, the people usually buying 3652's, don't usually care too much about gas mileage haha, I've never thought to check or ask for a before / after.

Pete@IE
02-14-2009, 11:37 AM
Bump for more power :)

njm23
02-14-2009, 12:57 PM
You will be hearing form me in a couple months to order some 52's..Any kinda wait on those where I should let you know in advance?

Pete@IE
02-14-2009, 01:22 PM
We have a few sets of them left in stock right now, we brought in sort of a bunch of everything to figure out what people want. We're going to reorder here shortly and stock up on 3652's since they seem to be popular.

In short, our inventory is sketchy right now, but we're going to get it sorted out as we learn what we need to stock and have a bunch around in the long term. In a few months I would expect us to have it all sorted out.

-Pete

AudiA4_20T
02-15-2009, 09:20 AM
52s FTW!!!

sean1.8t
02-15-2009, 12:23 PM
We have a few sets of them left in stock right now, we brought in sort of a bunch of everything to figure out what people want. We're going to reorder here shortly and stock up on 3652's since they seem to be popular.

In short, our inventory is sketchy right now, but we're going to get it sorted out as we learn what we need to stock and have a bunch around in the long term. In a few months I would expect us to have it all sorted out.

-Pete

need someone to come help you out on inventory, Pete?

in short, i need a job! [:p]

mike-2ptzero
02-15-2009, 02:53 PM
52s FTW!!!

I still would like to see those compared to the 58's and the schricks all on the same car. I want to try out the 52's at some point but will be pissed if I dont see any gains vs the schricks I am already running.

AudiA4_20T
02-15-2009, 03:16 PM
I still would like to see those compared to the 58's and the schricks all on the same car. I want to try out the 52's at some point but will be pissed if I dont see any gains vs the schricks I am already running.

well my setup is close to yours except my head is stock port, the cams, and the tune

mike-2ptzero
02-15-2009, 03:18 PM
well my setup is close to yours except my head is stock port, the cams, and the tune

Well the only thing the same about our cars is the fact that we both have a full-race manifold and GT35r.

AudiA4_20T
02-15-2009, 03:21 PM
Well the only thing the same about our cars is the fact that we both have a full-race manifold and GT35r.

2L bottom ends, AEB head, valvesprings, retainers, valves, 35R (same A/R), full race, 1000cc injectors, fueling doesn't matter to me because if its there, its there

mike-2ptzero
02-15-2009, 06:12 PM
2L bottom ends, AEB head, valvesprings, retainers, valves, 35R (same A/R), full race, 1000cc injectors, fueling doesn't matter to me because if its there, its there

Ok, but even with those things there are still differences between them.


Do you plan on testing a bunch of cams and tuning the car for each one? That is very easy to do with a SEM but not so easy with a ECU tune.

sean1.8t
02-15-2009, 07:07 PM
Ok, but even with those things there are still differences between them.




yeah....

but not really

mike-2ptzero
02-15-2009, 09:48 PM
yeah....

but not really

Yeah........ but really.[:p]


A difference is just that a difference and a slight change can make a difference in the out come. You can take 2 100% stock 1.8t long block and end up with 2 completely different out comes when trying to make high hp. This is exactly why people end up making different power even while running the exact same kit and tuning.

Poopie
02-15-2009, 09:59 PM
Yeah........ but really.[:p]


A difference is just that a difference and a slight change can make a difference in the out come. You can take 2 100% stock 1.8t long block and end up with 2 completely different out comes when trying to make high hp. This is exactly why people end up making different power even while running the exact same kit and tuning.

so he could make more power then you

haha[evilmad][evilmad]

Militant-Grunt
02-15-2009, 10:03 PM
I wish I could afford these, my AEB head is in deep need of some for my build, gotta wait a few months =/

mike-2ptzero
02-15-2009, 10:07 PM
so he could make more power then you

haha[evilmad][evilmad]


LOL, I think he needs to make 1 hp first.

AudiA4_20T
02-15-2009, 10:22 PM
LOL, I think he needs to make 1 hp first.

and beat my 15.6, me and Sean joke that if I beat my 15.6 its a success, even though I blew off an IC hose on that run

Don Supreme
02-16-2009, 05:43 AM
15.5 FTW!!!

AudiA4_20T
02-16-2009, 06:11 AM
15.5 FTW!!!

[drive] woooooooooo

Pete@IE
05-26-2009, 08:26 PM
Bump for Cat's :)

A4Rob
05-26-2009, 08:34 PM
Sale or group buy anytime soon???

A4Rob
05-26-2009, 08:36 PM
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286625

Pete@IE
05-26-2009, 11:09 PM
I'll see what I can do... I can't promise much because cat has minimum sale price rules and they are usually out of half the stuff anyways.

prodrive
05-26-2009, 11:41 PM
Is this 3652's direct replacement or they need to be adjusted with a adjustable cam timing puley ?

A4Rob
05-27-2009, 07:54 AM
Is this 3652's direct replacement or they need to be adjusted with a adjustable cam timing puley ?

2nd.. I would like to know too. I'm torn between the 53's or 52's. I still want street drive-ability.

Poopie
05-27-2009, 08:01 AM
I'm thinking about 53s myself. My motor is going in soon, but I'm still having trouble timing up my revolver cams and I might just give up on them. There is only a very small dimple for TDC and it never matches up with the arrows. I was working on it last night and my cam tensioner tool broke. fuck my lifeeeeee

Don Supreme
05-27-2009, 08:04 AM
2nd.. I would like to know too. I'm torn between the 53's or 52's. I still want street drive-ability.

You should go with the 53s..

A4Rob
05-27-2009, 08:05 AM
You should go with the 53s..

For more mid-range power? Or because I am running Tapp on my 3071..

AudiA4_20T
05-27-2009, 08:10 AM
both

A4Rob
05-27-2009, 08:12 AM
Yea that's what I figured. 53's it is

mike-2ptzero
05-27-2009, 08:39 AM
The 58 and 52 cam sets should only be used for drag racing or a dyno queen. Just not worth the gains up top while losing so much low end.

Pete@IE
05-27-2009, 08:43 AM
They would work fine for road racing too if you turned it 8500 or so, but definitely not auto-x, and street driving the 52's will put hair on your chest. They don't really come alive until about 5k.

speeding-g60
05-27-2009, 08:57 AM
better to dial in/degree the cams after install.... something i still have yet to do on my 3652 hydro head. Joey will be doing it on my AEB 1003756 solid lifter head though for sure.

dougyfresh
05-27-2009, 09:16 AM
Is this 3652's direct replacement or they need to be adjusted with a adjustable cam timing puley ?

I am running 3651s with the OEM cam timing pulley. They time up perfectly.

The CAT Cams adjustable cam gear scares me with how small the key for the keyway is and how you are relying on friction and bolt preload to keep the centersection tight with the outer section.

prodrive
05-27-2009, 10:36 AM
^^ hiım I see ,I found this on vwvortex ;
Got a dyno tune saying 51s > 52s on a t25 gt3071r set up
The 51 cams is set at 22-23 psi and hit 382whp
The 52 cams was set at 21 psi and hit around 330whp

What you guys think ? will a 3651 perform better on T3/gt3076 ?

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6995/image43607.jpg

mike-2ptzero
05-27-2009, 11:31 AM
Forget the hp numbers look at the big difference in the tq, all that extra tq down below 6k rpm is going to make a huge difference going into each gear.

Pete@IE
05-27-2009, 05:46 PM
Link to thread? The only direct comparisons i've ever seen ended up being botched, cam timing was messed up on one cam or the other.

It's not really a matter of what cam will make the most power always but matching the powerband of the camshaft to the powerband of the head, manifolds, and turbo. If your setup is meant to make power 6-9k, the 52's are for you. Mid range, use 53's or 51's. That's why I get bitter beer face when people with k03's and such buy 52's.

I can't really tell whats up with that chart, but I don't usually even think about 52's unless talking about 600+ bhp and all of what comes along with that. I'm sure on a 300whp t3 t4 setup or similar they would be an utter disaster.

It's the same old thing as the V8 guys buying cams solely because they want it to sound lumpy.

sprAfour
05-27-2009, 07:10 PM
im not good with internalsss soooo would these fit / do you make cams for the 2.8 v6 ?? ... thanks

Haenszel20v
05-27-2009, 07:21 PM
I'm a big fan of my 52's on a nearly daily driven car(when running). Probably only because they match the powerband of the turbo nicely, but sitting at a light listening to that shit lope pretty good for a 4cyl and everyone looking at the car crosseyed was always a good time. :)

DND
05-27-2009, 07:38 PM
I'm a big fan of my 52's on a nearly daily driven car(when running). Probably only because they match the powerband of the turbo nicely, but sitting at a light listening to that shit lope pretty good for a 4cyl and everyone looking at the car crosseyed was always a good time. :)

LOL [:p]

prodrive
05-27-2009, 11:46 PM
Link to thread? The only direct comparisons i've ever seen ended up being botched, cam timing was messed up on one cam or the other.

It's not really a matter of what cam will make the most power always but matching the powerband of the camshaft to the powerband of the head, manifolds, and turbo. If your setup is meant to make power 6-9k, the 52's are for you. Mid range, use 53's or 51's. That's why I get bitter beer face when people with k03's and such buy 52's.

I can't really tell whats up with that chart, but I don't usually even think about 52's unless talking about 600+ bhp and all of what comes along with that. I'm sure on a 300whp t3 t4 setup or similar they would be an utter disaster.

It's the same old thing as the V8 guys buying cams solely because they want it to sound lumpy.

Here is the link .. (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4330075)


Forget the hp numbers look at the big difference in the tq, all that extra tq down below 6k rpm is going to make a huge difference going into each gear

Mike ,when I look to the dyno chart ,I am seeing that 3651's still have better tork until 7500. 220 vs. 260lbft? Ok. propably 51's tork will drop to the same level at 8000 rpm and worse on 8500 but it still looks good ...

Probably my next mod. will be cams but Pete you should prepare a chart for turbo / cams. I am in between 51's 58' and 52's :) My car in not a daily drive so I don't care if the idle is lumpy but I want a good macth to my set-up.(1.8L forged internal AEB engine 9.5CR. ,T3-GT3076r, 034 manifold ,Standalone,) I mostly do trackdays and street racing and want to rev to 8500 ..so which one do you recommend ?

Pete@IE
05-28-2009, 01:21 PM
Haha, that color is so bad I can't even tell wtf I couldn't see it at all last night on my laptop.. I do know that i definitely wouldn't even try to use 52's on a t25 3071r. It's a big huge exhaust cam in particular with a choked up turbine housing- what a recipe for reversion.

The 52's do have their place, its big t3 or t4 setups revving to 8750-9k on close to drag motors. If you look at most of the biggest power 1.8t's out there- ed's, brians, marc's, etc- all are using 52's.

Dave's car makes more power then that guy's with a stock awp longblock and 19mm drop ins + lots of boost haha. LOL

speeding-g60
05-28-2009, 01:54 PM
i run 52's on the drag rabbit, and it just spins the tires on dyno ~550WHP. 35R.... small turbo.

mike-2ptzero
05-28-2009, 02:31 PM
Haha, that color is so bad I can't even tell wtf I couldn't see it at all last night on my laptop.. I do know that i definitely wouldn't even try to use 52's on a t25 3071r. It's a big huge exhaust cam in particular with a choked up turbine housing- what a recipe for reversion.

The 52's do have their place, its big t3 or t4 setups revving to 8750-9k on close to drag motors. If you look at most of the biggest power 1.8t's out there- ed's, brians, marc's, etc- all are using 52's.

Dave's car makes more power then that guy's with a stock awp longblock and 19mm drop ins + lots of boost haha. LOL

Boy and to think what I could be making with 52's instead of my tiny schricks. lol

HTA A4
05-28-2009, 02:34 PM
I'd like to know what the 53's are like... Mid range good? How about their top end?

sprAfour
05-28-2009, 07:11 PM
any one 2.8 v6 parts cams????

prodrive
05-28-2009, 11:29 PM
Haha, that color is so bad I can't even tell wtf I couldn't see it at all last night on my laptop.. I do know that i definitely wouldn't even try to use 52's on a t25 3071r. It's a big huge exhaust cam in particular with a choked up turbine housing- what a recipe for reversion.

The 52's do have their place, its big t3 or t4 setups revving to 8750-9k on close to drag motors. If you look at most of the biggest power 1.8t's out there- ed's, brians, marc's, etc- all are using 52's.

Dave's car makes more power then that guy's with a stock awp longblock and 19mm drop ins + lots of boost haha. LOL

Thanks for the explanation ... 52's FTW !! haha

Pete@IE
05-29-2009, 12:01 AM
Hard to say mike- nobody has done a back to back on the shricks versus any of the cats afaik. I might see about it once i get my ecu back from ctapp.

The 52's have a 28x degree exhaust cam that's no joke. Definitely should not be used with small turbos especially with small hot sides.

prodrive
05-29-2009, 12:37 AM
The 52's have a 28x degree exhaust cam that's no joke. Definitely should not be used with small turbos especially with small hot sides.

How about my turbo T3 - gt3076 with 0.63 A/R is it ok ... ?

mike-2ptzero
05-29-2009, 07:00 AM
Hard to say mike- nobody has done a back to back on the shricks versus any of the cats afaik. I might see about it once i get my ecu back from ctapp.

The 52's have a 28x degree exhaust cam that's no joke. Definitely should not be used with small turbos especially with small hot sides.

If you want to use my car for testing let me know, I can talk to Javad at 034 today about it while I am at his shop today.

Pete@IE
06-01-2009, 06:02 PM
Cams anyone?