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JDM EJ1 95
02-02-2009, 08:37 PM
well i only get about an hour a day to work on it.. but heres a start i guess.

the collector is currently moved from that position to farther back and behind the motor due to clearance issues.. but its pretty close to where i had it in this pic.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2749/0202092005act5.jpg
Shot at 2009-02-02



the goal. (my pics from last year)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3261/img0004fs3.jpg
Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+EOS+DIGITAL+REBEL+XT&make=Canon) at 2008-01-28

Dont mind the shop vac hose.. just showing a buddy where the charge piping would be routed.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1364/img0005xy5.jpg
Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+EOS+DIGITAL+REBEL+XT&make=Canon) at 2008-01-28

Das General
02-02-2009, 08:40 PM
Nice. You still going to run the 35r?


I you have an Q's. Feel free to PM me or hit me up on AIM.

Paulyworld1432
02-02-2009, 08:40 PM
Where are you working on the car? Feel free to PM me as I'd love to help or even just drop by and take a look sometime! [:)]

Spooled1.8
02-02-2009, 08:42 PM
Good to see some progress pics, looking foward to more updates...

JDM EJ1 95
02-02-2009, 08:44 PM
Nice. You still going to run the 35r?


I you have an Q's. Feel free to PM me or hit me up on AIM.


im thinking about the "37R" from full-race.com but ill probably stick with a 35R


and i appreciate it.. ill be sure to hit u up if i need be.



Where are you working on the car? Feel free to PM me as I'd love to help or even just drop by and take a look sometime! [:)]

workin on it in northbrook at autowerks on my free time... thats where my welder is hooked up and my spare motor is at..

i usually will stay late on tuesdays or go in early saturdays to do some work.

jibberjive
02-02-2009, 10:52 PM
Subscribed. Good luck man, git r' done this time eh

Chknkatsu
02-03-2009, 02:43 AM
wow, cant wait. The position you currently have the turbo in seems more practical then the other single turbo. Hopefully heat won't be too much of an issue[wrench]. I'm sure you have it all figured out, good luck

Boris
02-03-2009, 03:05 AM
awesome!

Rajan147
02-03-2009, 04:46 AM
well i only get about an hour a day to work on it.. but heres a start i guess.

the collector is currently moved from that position to farther back and behind the motor due to clearance issues.. but its pretty close to where i had it in this pic.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2749/0202092005act5.jpg
Shot at 2009-02-02



the goal. (my pics from last year)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3261/img0004fs3.jpg
Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+EOS+DIGITAL+REBEL+XT&make=Canon) at 2008-01-28

Dont mind the shop vac hose.. just showing a buddy where the charge piping would be routed.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1364/img0005xy5.jpg
Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+EOS+DIGITAL+REBEL+XT&make=Canon) at 2008-01-28

didn't you just go stage 3 less than 6 months ago? Good luck with the build, i'm sure it will run like a bat out of hell

awdbiturbo
02-03-2009, 08:40 AM
single turbo kits are looking more and more apitizing. I only wish there was tested and proven manifold. Maybe if we all show enough interest 034 would build us one.

Rajan147
02-03-2009, 03:32 PM
doesn't this just turn our cars in to an overly aggressive 1.8T? Not trying to be a downer, but doesnt the fact of having twin turbos set us apart as an S4?

Chknkatsu
02-03-2009, 03:58 PM
doesn't this just turn our cars in to an overly aggressive 1.8T? Not trying to be a downer, but doesnt the fact of having twin turbos set us apart as an S4?

yes it's true it makes the B5 S4 unique, but being unique won't make you fast[;)]

AudiA4_20T
02-03-2009, 04:01 PM
doesn't this just turn our cars in to an overly aggressive 1.8T? Not trying to be a downer, but doesnt the fact of having twin turbos set us apart as an S4?

I could put twin turbos on my 1.8T? So what? its not the amount of turbos its the power

GURUMAN
02-03-2009, 04:46 PM
For motivation purpose...

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/DSCN0637.jpg

highPSI-S4
02-03-2009, 04:48 PM
Nice, I thought after the K04 issue you were done with this. good to see your still going to tackle it.

JDM EJ1 95
02-03-2009, 05:36 PM
didn't you just go stage 3 less than 6 months ago? Good luck with the build, i'm sure it will run like a bat out of hell



no sir.. i replaced a set of blown k04s from my stg 3 setup.. the car has been stage 3 for like 4 years


and no it doesnt bring the whole idea of the car being an s4 down... the car is an s4 because it has the 2.7.. and because of the difference in suspension/options/colors/etc.. not just because it has twin turbos..... the A6 has twins as well.. it doesnt make it any more close to an S4.


i worked on it for maybe 20 min today.. and just got started on the 2nd runner... im going to get most of that runner done then test fit it in my roomates A4 which currently has the motor out... im hoping i wont have to change it much after that as far as clearance to the frame rails is concerned.

this is with the new collector position.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8026/0203091730adl9.jpg
Shot at 2009-02-03

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2139/0203091730qd4.jpg
Shot at 2009-02-03

jukesandz
02-03-2009, 05:44 PM
Mmmmm Krispy Kreme...

Subscribed. [up]

JDM EJ1 95
02-03-2009, 05:44 PM
single turbo kits are looking more and more apitizing. I only wish there was tested and proven manifold. Maybe if we all show enough interest 034 would build us one.


ill test and prove mine.. and hopefully ill duplicate.. depending on how i feel about it.


ill most likely make 2 sets right away just for the simple fact of i have enough materials for it and 2 sets of head flanges.

Boris
02-03-2009, 06:36 PM
doesn't this just turn our cars in to an overly aggressive 1.8T? Not trying to be a downer, but doesnt the fact of having twin turbos set us apart as an S4?

no, Look at all the supras, most big power stateside are running a big single, the engine came stock with two turbos sequentially oriented.

From an engineering standpoint I think its defensible that the twin setup os optimal over a single...but the single has perks too.. I personally love the way a single turbo comes on, the power is like a wall.

GURUMAN
02-03-2009, 06:48 PM
no, Look at all the supras, most big power stateside are running a big single, the engine came stock with two turbos sequentially oriented.

From an engineering standpoint I think its defensible that the twin setup os optimal over a single...but the single has perks too.. I personally love the way a single turbo comes on, the power is like a wall.


And Boris, on a 2.7 audi with a gt35, it's a same wall, trust me. I've drove Ringlord's car.[;)]

JDM EJ1 95
02-05-2009, 08:04 PM
slowly but surely.. only 1 more runner on the pass side has to be done then i can move on to the drivers mani mockup

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9260/0205091852zu5.jpg
Shot at 2009-02-05

Videlov
02-05-2009, 08:31 PM
Good stuff man, I might stop by, wanna see this [:)]

haus4
02-05-2009, 08:33 PM
I like the daily update. Its a lot of work, but with you doing some everyday its enough to feel like you accomplished something and not get frustrated with one specific thing.

One question - are you trying to make the runners the same length before they get into the collector, or are you just going from the exhaust port straight to the collector?

I heard that you want the length of the runners to be very close so the actual pulses flow together and dont interfere with each other creating turbulence. Im just asking and want to hear what you guys have to say.

JDM EJ1 95
02-05-2009, 08:35 PM
I like the daily update. Its a lot of work, but with you doing some everyday its enough to feel like you accomplished something and not get frustrated with one specific thing.

One question - are you trying to make the runners the same length before they get into the collector, or are you just going from the exhaust port straight to the collector?

I heard that you want the length of the runners to be very close so the actual pulses flow together and dont interfere with each other creating turbulence. Im just asking and want to hear what you guys have to say.


it would be extremely difficult to make a true equal lenght with the space provided..

my goal is to have these manifolds fit without any fitment issues on the stock frame rails.

haus4
02-05-2009, 08:42 PM
it would be extremely difficult to make a true equal lenght with the space provided..

my goal is to have these manifolds fit without any fitment issues on the stock frame rails.

I agree. We both know how tight our engine bay is. I give you props for making your own headers to begin with. Good luck with the project.

solowb5
02-05-2009, 08:42 PM
I'd recommend getting a cnc metal coolant neck in the back there if you are running the turbo back there.

JDM EJ1 95
02-05-2009, 09:47 PM
huh? why

the manifolds are in relatively the same position as the stock/ GT manifolds..

what coolant neck are you talking about?

Das General
02-05-2009, 09:53 PM
The only heat issues you are going to run into are from the hotside of your turbo being so close to your intake manifold and your wiring harness, both are easy to fix.

JDM EJ1 95
02-05-2009, 10:03 PM
The only heat issues you are going to run into are from the hotside of your turbo being so close to your intake manifold and your wiring harness, both are easy to fix.

to be honest.. yes itll be hot.. but like you said its an easy fix and im not worried about it at all.. im sure TONS of heat is channeld up there anyways in stock form considering heat rises and there are 2 turbos pumping heat into that area either way.


im going to most likely coat the manifolds and hotside so that should help some..

Das General
02-05-2009, 10:15 PM
Depending on which direction you place the turbine housing, the hotside and downpipe will be right next to your brake booster. There are some things that need to get adjusted, and covered with heat wrap. But nothing to be too concerned about. Are you putting in any v-bands? We have mine designed to have 3 v-bands for ease of assembly...

JDM EJ1 95
02-05-2009, 10:19 PM
Depending on which direction you place the turbine housing, the hotside and downpipe will be right next to your brake booster. There are some things that need to get adjusted, and covered with heat wrap. But nothing to be too concerned about. Are you putting in any v-bands? We have mine designed to have 3 v-bands for ease of assembly...



everything is going to be vbanded... the crossover to mani connection.. the crossover collector to turbo. the downpipe.. as well as the WG


ill probably end up straitpiping the car completely once its done and that will most likely be in vbanded form as well.

joe dub
02-05-2009, 10:47 PM
so i can get ur sloppy k04s and dps and exhaust soon huh? haha looks good rick, keep up the good work d00d

Knight_Rider
02-05-2009, 11:03 PM
im spying/sensing rebirth of the SINGLE TURBO THREAD! =)
regardless, push on and good luck!

Boris
02-06-2009, 01:50 AM
hey JDM, i was wondering, why don't you cut away your secondary firewall so you can put the turbo further back a little. Wouldn't that inch or two really help you with all the clearance issues?

JDM EJ1 95
02-06-2009, 06:25 AM
i want to try to keep the car completely factory.. but if it comes down to it ill cut it if i have to.

RusS4
02-09-2009, 06:39 AM
Any new news on the build?

JDM EJ1 95
02-09-2009, 06:13 PM
Any new news on the build?

havnt had much time the past week.. but i also needed a wheel sander so i can do some minor adjustment on the piping instead of recutting pieces... which i got today.. i plan to finish the manifold tomorrow and maybe start cutting everything for the drivers side.

lucas13dourado
02-10-2009, 03:47 AM
whoa im in for this!!!

RusS4
02-10-2009, 06:36 AM
cool so what all are you doing to the motor? (pistons, rods, etc...)

JMTx86
02-10-2009, 08:15 AM
I don't think you need to but I'd have the hot side of the turbo jet-coated and the manifolds, it will looks really nice and keep the heat under the hood down and to keep cost low just heat wrap the DP.

Looking good so far
-John

S4evr
02-10-2009, 08:36 AM
Looks good so far, i hope it works out well.

what kind of welder are you using?

lucajS4
02-10-2009, 09:25 AM
thats my man i will be joining you soon im thinking of a 35R to ohhh i cant wait to start mine

nthusiastt
02-10-2009, 10:59 AM
I would run at least a 37r with this motor. You will never fall out of boost between shifts with the 37r you can run less pressure and make more power. A 37r will get you into the 700's too. If I was ever to run a single I'd run the 40r. I don't know why anyone would want to run a 35r on this motor looking at compressor maps.

Less pressure = less heat = less heat = more power and less detonation = tighter tune which will net you even more power.

RusS4
02-10-2009, 11:04 AM
Id love to run a 40r if i had the money for that turbo and money for motor build

veggiemonster
02-10-2009, 11:21 AM
i would never run anything bigger than a 35r if i wanted to enjoy it everyday. i would rather have a 30r for great spool or a 35r if i wanted over 550 on pump

Das General
02-10-2009, 11:32 AM
I would run at least a 37r with this motor. You will never fall out of boost between shifts with the 37r you can run less pressure and make more power. A 37r will get you into the 700's too. If I was ever to run a single I'd run the 40r. I don't know why anyone would want to run a 35r on this motor looking at compressor maps.

Less pressure = less heat = less heat = more power and less detonation = tighter tune which will net you even more power.

A 35r is proven already on this setup. So why not..?

I am personally running a single larger than a 40r. But I have the headwork to make it not fall out of the powerband.

veggiemonster
02-10-2009, 11:45 AM
A 35r is proven already on this setup. So why not..?

I am personally running a single larger than a 40r. But I have the headwork to make it not fall out of the powerband.

will you be using it as a daily? i think thats more important than just what size turbo guys choose that everyone else doesn't think about. smaller turbo with a more aggressive tune will most likely be more reliable than a 42r with a more conservative one "for more power"

Das General
02-10-2009, 11:50 AM
Yes I will be using it daily.

Mantis
02-10-2009, 01:53 PM
I am currently working on a 40/42, also with headwork and 3.0l bottom

jibberjive
02-10-2009, 02:54 PM
Since we're all chiming in on which turbo we'd use, I'd use a Bullseye s362 twin scroll with either the .83 ar and T4 or the .75ar (?) T3. Supposedly similar spool time as a GT35r but more for up top.

BTW, not downing on this project or turbo selection, looks awesome to actually see some progress!

GQ//S4
02-10-2009, 03:51 PM
This build-up has me so incredibly curious.... Mainly because if it works, and provides for a viable option over the Ko4, I might have to do this. Plus, a ridiculous powerband is always appealing. I just wish this was complete so we could see the whole process, i'm impatient!

GQ//S4
02-10-2009, 03:52 PM
A 35r is proven already on this setup. So why not..?

I am personally running a single larger than a 40r. But I have the headwork to make it not fall out of the powerband.

You wouldn't happen to know what the powerband looks like on the 35r would you? I'd like to see what this kind of setup produces.

JMTx86
02-10-2009, 06:18 PM
I would run at least a 37r with this motor. You will never fall out of boost between shifts with the 37r you can run less pressure and make more power. A 37r will get you into the 700's too. If I was ever to run a single I'd run the 40r. I don't know why anyone would want to run a 35r on this motor looking at compressor maps.

Less pressure = less heat = less heat = more power and less detonation = tighter tune which will net you even more power.

Well then i dunno what to tell you esp when id put money on the fact that with the right hot side you could make well over 500 whp on pump gas with a 35r and still have good low end power.

GURUMAN
02-10-2009, 06:22 PM
Mike Hood makes 630 whp on a 35R

Sigma 3
02-10-2009, 06:35 PM
Nice work JDM[up]

nthusiastt
02-10-2009, 06:40 PM
i would never run anything bigger than a 35r if i wanted to enjoy it everyday. i would rather have a 30r for great spool or a 35r if i wanted over 550 on pump

Why spend all the money on a single if you just want spool. K04's work great for spool why not just run them? 30r holy god that's small for a 2.7

GURUMAN
02-10-2009, 06:54 PM
Why spend all the money on a single if you just want spool. K04's work great for spool why not just run them? 30r holy god that's small for a 2.7

Fail, wrong thread buddy

use the search button, type 10secS4, then your in the right thread...[;)]

Hyperlitebordr
02-10-2009, 08:22 PM
Why spend all the money on a single if you just want spool. K04's work great for spool why not just run them? 30r holy god that's small for a 2.7

And it begins...again

I personally can't wait to see how this turns out, keep it up

JDM EJ1 95
02-10-2009, 08:26 PM
Looks good so far, i hope it works out well.

what kind of welder are you using?


sync200


this is about all i got around to doing is test fitting it in an A4 today... its pretyt tight the way i have the manifold now.. im going to have to pull the 3rd runner in towards the head some more.. and MAYBE the 2nd runner just to be safe.. but i dont see any issues really with the 2nd..

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4969/0210091849zw3.jpg
Shot at 2009-02-10


i had to deal with these in the shop so i was distracted :P there is another murci next to the f430 and a viper next to that.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7218/0210091807kx3.jpg
Shot at 2009-02-10

Das General
02-10-2009, 08:32 PM
You will get full boost before 4k with a 35r. Do a little work and have an 8k redline and you got yourself a serious powerband.

Mantis
02-10-2009, 08:47 PM
I agree with deb, nice work, love the constant updates (with pics) =)

RusS4
02-11-2009, 09:07 AM
love the pic updates. what kind of motor work are you doing?(internals)

wdbdy2000s4
02-11-2009, 09:13 AM
600WHP from 4000-8000 seems like a pretty beefy powerband to me

GQ//S4
02-11-2009, 10:17 AM
You will get full boost before 4k with a 35r. Do a little work and have an 8k redline and you got yourself a serious powerband.

holy damn that would be fun........

veggiemonster
02-11-2009, 10:26 AM
Why spend all the money on a single if you just want spool. K04's work great for spool why not just run them? 30r holy god that's small for a 2.7

because its a ball bearing turbo and its one of the most versatile turbos there are. plus with a big intercooler it will not be that small, and will probably make better numbers than out of the box k04 tunes

sean1.8t
02-11-2009, 11:13 AM
subscribed!

great progress [up]

Das General
02-11-2009, 12:46 PM
Well, keep in mind he isn't going to be able to max out his tune with a 35r because he doesn't have the low end work, and he won't be able to run it up to 8500 because he doesn't have the top end work. He could safely rev the car to I'd say 7500, before dropping a valve.

JaredVL
02-11-2009, 02:53 PM
I would run at least a 37r with this motor. You will never fall out of boost between shifts with the 37r you can run less pressure and make more power. A 37r will get you into the 700's too. If I was ever to run a single I'd run the 40r. I don't know why anyone would want to run a 35r on this motor looking at compressor maps.

Less pressure = less heat = less heat = more power and less detonation = tighter tune which will net you even more power.
you dont really know wtf you are talking about, but its ok.

wdbdy2000s4
02-11-2009, 03:09 PM
LOL. The teacher is looking at me because I can't stop laughing. nice job Jared.

GURUMAN
02-11-2009, 04:01 PM
you dont really know wtf you are talking about, but its ok.

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][>_<][>_<][>_<][>_<][>_<]

Evilevo
02-11-2009, 04:47 PM
[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][>_<][>_<][>_<][>_<][>_<]

Guru, check your PMs

jibberjive
02-11-2009, 09:14 PM
you dont really know wtf you are talking about, but its ok.

HAHA[>_<]

JDM EJ1 95
02-14-2009, 01:03 PM
here is the revised version so far... i had to change it cause it was too close to the frame rail in my opinion..




http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3369/manifoldz007ix5.jpg
Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+EOS+DIGITAL+REBEL+XT&make=Canon) at 2009-02-14

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7965/manifoldz011qm1.jpg
Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+EOS+DIGITAL+REBEL+XT&make=Canon) at 2009-02-14

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7726/manifoldz005qc6.jpg
Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+EOS+DIGITAL+REBEL+XT&make=Canon) at 2009-02-14

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6938/manifoldz010fo6.jpg
Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Canon+EOS+DIGITAL+REBEL+XT&make=Canon) at 2009-02-14

Das General
02-14-2009, 03:56 PM
Essentially, you create a set of manifolds that, up until the collector, is identical to an ASP/GEN X style. Then at the collector, everything gets merged up. Looks like you are on that path.

JDM EJ1 95
02-14-2009, 05:59 PM
Essentially, you create a set of manifolds that, up until the collector, is identical to an ASP/GEN X style. Then at the collector, everything gets merged up. Looks like you are on that path.

the only good part.. is when building my manifolds i can use the space that the turbo/inlet pipe normally occupies.. so i can make a lot more space for myself to work with.. which is very nice

tsbpenguin
02-15-2009, 12:02 AM
Subscribed!
Should be sick when finished.

noclutch
02-15-2009, 07:20 AM
Are the manifolds going to be removable with the motor in the car?

sCeRaXn
02-15-2009, 09:15 AM
I doubt it. It looks damn near impossible to get to all of the manifold bolts if the motor was in the car. Not only that, but you might not have enough room between the frame and manifold to be able to slide the manifold off the exhaust studs. Im sure you could pick the motor up a few inches and get the manifolds off without having to take the entire motor out though.

Looking good so far man. I cant wait to see the final results. What kind of ic are you gonna be using, and have you given any thought to charge pipe routing?

sean1.8t
02-15-2009, 09:35 AM
Are the manifolds going to be removable with the motor in the car?

no.

but he'll be able to remove the turbo with the motor still in car [;)]

lrg8683
02-15-2009, 10:00 AM
yeah i'd rather be able to remove the turbo over the manifolds.

JDM EJ1 95
02-15-2009, 10:15 AM
Looking good so far man. I cant wait to see the final results. What kind of ic are you gonna be using, and have you given any thought to charge pipe routing?


charge piping is a toss up for me.. with the way the turbo sits i can do it 2 ways...


i can USE the RS4 intercoolers and run a split charge pipe down both sides of the motor where the factory bi pipe would run.


or if i wanted to use a standard 1 inlet 1 outlet intercooler i can just run one single charge pipe down the passenger side(where the bi pipe used to be)

Sigma 3
02-15-2009, 11:00 AM
Good work sir[up]

sCeRaXn
02-15-2009, 11:56 AM
charge piping is a toss up for me.. with the way the turbo sits i can do it 2 ways...


i can USE the RS4 intercoolers and run a split charge pipe down both sides of the motor where the factory bi pipe would run.


or if i wanted to use a standard 1 inlet 1 outlet intercooler i can just run one single charge pipe down the passenger side(where the bi pipe used to be)

I would use a traditional single entrance/exit ic if i were you, mainly for airflow reasons. It will keep velocity as high as possible and wont cause turbulence at the tb(or wherever the charge pipes merge again). The only way you could really do dual ic's and keep the effeciency of one is if you were able to make both sets of ic piping exactly the same. If they differ even slightly then the airflow will be different when they merge and cause turbulence, thus loss of velocity. It probably wont be enough to make a drastic difference, but im sure you want every bit of power as possible.

I was looking at my car when i had the bumper off and it seems like a vertical flow intercooler would be ideal for hiding the piping and keeping fogs. And if i remember correctly the passengers side of the car had more room to piping. Im sure you can figure something out, just thought id throw that out there. Either way...its gonna be a beast!

JDM EJ1 95
02-15-2009, 12:39 PM
I would use a traditional single entrance/exit ic if i were you, mainly for airflow reasons. It will keep velocity as high as possible and wont cause turbulence at the tb(or wherever the charge pipes merge again). The only way you could really do dual ic's and keep the effeciency of one is if you were able to make both sets of ic piping exactly the same. If they differ even slightly then the airflow will be different when they merge and cause turbulence, thus loss of velocity. It probably wont be enough to make a drastic difference, but im sure you want every bit of power as possible.

I was looking at my car when i had the bumper off and it seems like a vertical flow intercooler would be ideal for hiding the piping and keeping fogs. And if i remember correctly the passengers side of the car had more room to piping. Im sure you can figure something out, just thought id throw that out there. Either way...its gonna be a beast!

yea im gonna do the single big front mount i think either way just cause it looks beastly too haha

sCeRaXn
02-15-2009, 01:33 PM
Yea really. That combined with the sound of the turbo, exhaust, and wg will make that a scary car. Not to mention that it could be trapping in the 130's one day lol

Das General
02-15-2009, 02:52 PM
Ringlord trapped 128 his first time out on his 35r setup. That was also on pump gas too. Not too be bad for an initial tune.

Reich
02-15-2009, 08:11 PM
Just want to say congratulations to JMD EJ1 95.
There's gona be more powerfull b5 this summer.
I like big projecs like the one we have here or Derek or guru.
Wish i have the $.
Good luck.

GURUMAN
02-15-2009, 08:20 PM
Ringlord trapped 128 his first time out on his 35r setup. That was also on pump gas too. Not too be bad for an initial tune.

131 mph, sorry deb

Reich
02-15-2009, 08:24 PM
^^^^^ Hey Guru. Did you find some time to talk with Mike?

Don Supreme
02-15-2009, 08:25 PM
131 mph, sorry deb

Any videos of that car?

Das General
02-15-2009, 08:52 PM
131 mph, sorry deb

Ohhhh, nice, the last I heard was 128. My apologies... [>_<]

AMC
02-16-2009, 02:35 AM
Ringlord trapped 128 his first time out on his 35r setup. That was also on pump gas too. Not too be bad for an initial tune.

wasnt it also running a k03 file?

GURUMAN
02-16-2009, 04:49 AM
wasnt it also running a k03 file?

giac k03 file, 630cc injectors, tweaked with uniseting.

http://www.google.ca/url?q=http://www.unitronic.ca/UNISetting.php&ei=yFKZSdqdOo-ctwfZ78G7Cw&sa=X&oi=smap&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=3&usg=AFQjCNEp9utnsQtxc1dE105gGqS7lE6Nhg

sCeRaXn
02-16-2009, 03:08 PM
Now thats impressive. I guess i was right when i said it could be trapping in the 130's one day lol

tsbpenguin
02-16-2009, 04:31 PM
What do you think are the optimal A/R's? GT35R is a .70 compressor correct?
What about the exhaust side? .84? .95? What would be best on a stock bottom end?
What about with 2.8 h/c swap?

AudiA4_20T
02-16-2009, 04:32 PM
What do you think are the optimal A/R's? GT35R is a .70 compressor correct?
What about the exhaust side? .84? .95? What would be best on a stock bottom end?
What about with 2.8 h/c swap?

the exhaust side is either a .63 or .82

Das General
02-16-2009, 04:48 PM
I'd go .82


There is also a 1.06 A/R and I would run an HTA86, if I were to run a turbo that small.

tsbpenguin
02-16-2009, 04:53 PM
I'd go .82

Why's that? What are the advantages/disadvantages to the larger one?

Das General
02-16-2009, 04:54 PM
Well the smaller aspect would be for better spool. But with the displacement you won't have spool issues. The top end of the latter will also be better.

Don Supreme
02-16-2009, 04:58 PM
The motor will breathe a lot better with the larger hotside..... You don't want to choke up your big 2.7 do you?

tsbpenguin
02-16-2009, 05:32 PM
Well the smaller aspect would be for better spool. But with the displacement you won't have spool issues. The top end of the latter will also be better.

What about with 2.8 heads and cams? Would you still want the .82 or would you want bigger than that??

sCeRaXn
02-16-2009, 05:47 PM
Stock 2.8 heads and cams wont change the low end too drastically, so you could stay with the same turbo. You might lose a little bit of low end, but what youll gain in the upper rpm's will be well worth it. Head/cam wont have as much of an affect on turbo choice as displacement...generally speaking anyway.

AudiA4_20T
02-16-2009, 06:04 PM
What about with 2.8 heads and cams? Would you still want the .82 or would you want bigger than that??

I would do a 37R before I did a 1.06 35R

GURUMAN
02-16-2009, 07:16 PM
Other pictures for inspiration...

Ringlord's car about 1 and a half year ago

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/s4single02.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/s4single03.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/s4single04.jpg

tsbpenguin
02-16-2009, 07:23 PM
With our cars, would there be any advantage to a divided exhaust inlet? Or would you stick to an open T4?

Das General
02-16-2009, 07:31 PM
With our cars, would there be any advantage to a divided exhaust inlet? Or would you stick to an open T4?

I have a T4 divided. Unless you plan on running twin wastegates and equal length manifolds, I'd skip on it.

I am swapping the divided hotside for an undivided.

Don Supreme
02-16-2009, 07:34 PM
I have a T4 divided. Unless you plan on running twin wastegates and equal length manifolds, I'd skip on it.

I am swapping the divided hotside for an undivided.

Derrick,

How well does that work out on a v engine setup with the pulses hitting the turbo in such a completely uneven manner?

tsbpenguin
02-16-2009, 07:38 PM
I have a T4 divided. Unless you plan on running twin wastegates and equal length manifolds, I'd skip on it.

I am swapping the divided hotside for an undivided.

Ahh ok that makes sense. I was wondering about the pulses too. Especially on that setup that GURU posted, since the up pipes are obviously quite uneven. The pulses would be waay off. But i suppose it doesnt really matter as much on an undivided?

Das General
02-16-2009, 07:39 PM
Derrick,

How well does that work out on a v engine setup with the pulses hitting the turbo in such a completely uneven manner?

Hahah I don't plan on finding out. The turbo is getting sent back to Full-Race. I purchased the turbo back in May, when Clint and I thought it would be a good idea to do a twin-scroll setup. You know how Clint is...[:D] hence the changing

Das General
02-16-2009, 07:42 PM
Ahh ok that makes sense. I was wondering about the pulses too. Especially on that setup that GURU posted, since the up pipes are obviously quite uneven. The pulses would be waay off. But i suppose it doesnt really matter as much on an undivided?

There are people that claim they can make their manifold exactly equal length. I don't think there is the space to make all the runners fit.

JDM EJ1 95
02-16-2009, 11:10 PM
There are people that claim they can make their manifold exactly equal length. I don't think there is the space to make all the runners fit.

its honestly close to impossible to make an equal length with the space provided.. albiet i didnt try TOO hard.. i looked at it and decided it wasnt worth the effort.


twin scroll is also not the best idea on these cars.. there is entirely too much involved.

chrisbostonusmc
02-16-2009, 11:25 PM
no sir.. i replaced a set of blown k04s from my stg 3 setup.. the car has been stage 3 for like 4 years


and no it doesnt bring the whole idea of the car being an s4 down... the car is an s4 because it has the 2.7.. and because of the difference in suspension/options/colors/etc.. not just because it has twin turbos..... the A6 has twins as well.. it doesnt make it any more close to an S4.



no it makes it better because it has more leg, trunk room, and a better Bose system and its sticker price is more..[:p][:p]

I kid I kid...Im not trying to start a war..[;)]


edit:THIS POST JUST GOT ME 4 RINGS!WOOT!

RusS4
02-20-2009, 06:38 AM
any new news?

AK1RA07
02-20-2009, 07:12 AM
giac k03 file, 630cc injectors, tweaked with uniseting.

http://www.google.ca/url?q=http://www.unitronic.ca/UNISetting.php&ei=yFKZSdqdOo-ctwfZ78G7Cw&sa=X&oi=smap&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=3&usg=AFQjCNEp9utnsQtxc1dE105gGqS7lE6Nhg

How much fuel would you have to pull out to get 630cc's to work on a K03 file?

RusS4
03-02-2009, 09:07 AM
bump? updates?

wdbdy2000s4
03-02-2009, 09:32 AM
How much fuel would you have to pull out to get 630cc's to work on a K03 file?

If you could find logs of ringlord's car(or any car with a 35r) you could get a pretty good idea of how much fuel you'll need by looking at the injector duty cycle.

JDM EJ1 95
03-04-2009, 01:05 PM
sorry guys ive been extremely busy.. and i went into the shop to work on it saturday but ended up having to help my roomate get the tow truck back because of a broken water pump pulley.. so not much done this week... just about an hour more work and ill be happy with this manifold.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5323/0303091405.jpg
Shot at 2009-03-04

laxman851
03-06-2009, 08:04 AM
Can't wait to see some more progress on the project, I hope you dont run into any more hurdles on the way. Good luck with the rest of the build.

XSilverJ
03-06-2009, 11:30 AM
What size injectors do you plan on running with the 35R?

JDM EJ1 95
03-06-2009, 12:29 PM
What size injectors do you plan on running with the 35R?



60lbs

XSilverJ
03-06-2009, 12:40 PM
60lbs

I've only read your posts but I'm assuming rods too?

What would you think for WHP on pump?

JDM EJ1 95
03-06-2009, 12:42 PM
I've only read your posts but I'm assuming rods too?

What would you think for WHP on pump?



no rods... completely stock motor..


hoping for 450whp on pump. ill run that for a while or until it blows up.. at the same time the car is running i have a spare motor i will be building for high boost/power... hopefully 550 on pump

lucas13dourado
03-06-2009, 07:41 PM
thats it?

JDM EJ1 95
03-06-2009, 07:58 PM
thats it?


uhh.. why do you say that


you go out and put 500whp out on a stock motor and see what happens.

wdbdy2000s4
03-06-2009, 08:33 PM
you go out and put 500whp out on a stock motor and see what happens.

what's the issue? my buddy has been pushing 523whp on his k03s at 31 PSI for 9 years.

S-Power
03-06-2009, 08:40 PM
These blocks cant hold more then 500awhp or your gonna start breaking things

lucas13dourado
03-07-2009, 01:57 AM
uhh.. why do you say that


you go out and put 500whp out on a stock motor and see what happens.

I just expected more from ya, thats all! [:)]

JDM EJ1 95
03-07-2009, 02:29 AM
what's the issue? my buddy has been pushing 523whp on his k03s at 31 PSI for 9 years.


lololololo




if i make 450 awhp and run low 11s on pump with full interior ill be one happy mo fucka

JDM EJ1 95
03-07-2009, 02:31 AM
These blocks cant hold more then 500awhp or your gonna start breaking things


the blocks can handle pretty much whatever you throw at them.. its whats inside the blocks is the issue.

rods.. and a ogod rebuild would be good for a good increase in power.


as soon as i get it running ill save for a good motor build.. where i can go nuts on.. or as nuts as it can get wiht a 35r

Siena
03-07-2009, 02:47 AM
Awesome build thread, I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

AudiA4_20T
03-07-2009, 05:39 AM
what's the issue? my buddy has been pushing 523whp on his k03s at 31 PSI for 9 years.

lol

wdbdy2000s4
03-07-2009, 06:24 AM
if i make 450 awhp and run low 11s on pump with full interior ill be one happy mo fucka

It's all going to be in the tune. That turbo will easily push 450whp and that kind of power should easily put you in the low 11s..But I'm sure you know all of this,lol [:D]

JDM EJ1 95
03-07-2009, 10:00 AM
It's all going to be in the tune. That turbo will easily push 450whp and that kind of power should easily put you in the low 11s..But I'm sure you know all of this,lol [:D]



hhaha yep.. and ill probably be bringing it up to vast for a tune once its done.

S-Power
03-07-2009, 11:34 AM
the blocks can handle pretty much whatever you throw at them.. its whats inside the blocks is the issue.

rods.. and a ogod rebuild would be good for a good increase in power.


as soon as i get it running ill save for a good motor build.. where i can go nuts on.. or as nuts as it can get wiht a 35r

Its sick for the fact that you have two motors, you can build one insane and take your time with it [up]

wdbdy2000s4
03-07-2009, 12:32 PM
blown motors are cheap these days. If your gonna build your motor, it's definately the way to go. It will only cost 1000 for a blown motor to use. Plus you can sell your current motor at the end when your done building the spare.

lucajS4
03-07-2009, 01:09 PM
yeah i got a spare motor iam slowly building a 3l but doing rs6ss on a stock block for the mean time. already got built 2.8l heads but iam starting on a frsh s4 motor with only 6,000 miles on it

JDM EJ1 95
03-07-2009, 01:31 PM
blown motors are cheap these days. If your gonna build your motor, it's definately the way to go. It will only cost 1000 for a blown motor to use. Plus you can sell your current motor at the end when your done building the spare.


i got a complete longblock from a running car with accessories for 900

wdbdy2000s4
03-07-2009, 02:03 PM
You're lucky. My spare has bent valves.

AMC
03-07-2009, 03:31 PM
You're lucky. My spare has bent valves.

my spare has no headss lol. does had valve tap all the pistons tho lol

JMTx86
03-10-2009, 07:50 PM
what's the issue? my buddy has been pushing 523whp on his k03s at 31 PSI for 9 years.

[wrench][wrench][wrench][wrench][wrench][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang]


this is a joke right?

wdbdy2000s4
03-10-2009, 08:09 PM
this is a joke right?

nah bro, it's a factory freak. [up]

JDM EJ1 95
03-10-2009, 08:16 PM
[wrench][wrench][wrench][wrench][wrench][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang][headbang]


this is a joke right?


i saw it first hand.. on a local dyno

factory freak for sure [hail]

wdbdy2000s4
03-10-2009, 08:18 PM
technically 523 was the best run out in Chi-town...but at Cobb it only hit 517whp

JDM EJ1 95
03-10-2009, 08:22 PM
technically 523 was the best run out in Chi-town...but at Cobb it only hit 517whp

i was lucky enough to see it..

they dynoed it in reverse.. thats why it hit 523

csre9
03-10-2009, 08:28 PM
i was lucky enough to see it..

they dynoed it in reverse.. thats why it hit 523

That was pretty awesome, it was so fast pulling in 4th they couldnt keep in on the dyno so they built the tranny with 6 reverse sychro's and it turned out amazing.

jibberjive
03-10-2009, 08:49 PM
...but at Cobb it only hit 517whp
You retard lol[;)]

wdbdy2000s4
03-10-2009, 09:37 PM
That dyno is a dousche bag, it puts stage 2+ cars at like 250whp.[=(]

jibberjive
03-10-2009, 11:22 PM
That dyno is a dousche bag, it puts stage 2+ cars at like 250whp.[=(]
Lol, the only two numbers I know of for 2+ cars on that dyno is 214 and 225 whp

JDM EJ1 95
03-11-2009, 10:16 PM
welp..

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9256/0311092036.jpg
Shot at 2009-03-11

jibberjive
03-11-2009, 11:19 PM
Nice man. You should get some pics from above and other angles too:)

JDM EJ1 95
03-14-2009, 12:38 PM
will do on monday..


but for now... as far as parts go for the single setup its on a small hold... i had a control arm go out of whack today on the s4.. and NEED To replace it.. so i had to get the 500 dollar control arm kit..


gahh.. damn audis

JDM EJ1 95
03-14-2009, 12:43 PM
oh i made a tiny bit of progress i forgot to post..


i testfitted it and im happy with it.. drivers side may have to be shortened a bit. to fit a downpipe next to it.. but other than that.. im hapy with the pass side.. and dont see a need to modify it to be exactly the same as how im going to make the drivers side..

the way it is now.. i have plenty of room to fit the wastegates under the manifolds where the stock turbos would be.. and have strait dumps to the ground.. :P


here are garbage cell pics.

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5821/0312091328.jpg
Shot at 2009-03-14

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/135/0312091327.jpg
Shot at 2009-03-14

A4 Meets 27t
03-14-2009, 04:31 PM
Nice progress, I gotta stop by sometime, I'm right by you.

JDM EJ1 95
03-14-2009, 07:03 PM
youre welcome to any time.. just let me know

GetAwayFromMe
03-14-2009, 10:00 PM
What do you guys use as far as tunning goes? Stand alone?

JDM EJ1 95
03-15-2009, 12:37 AM
gonna probably go to vast for a custom tune

DceptvS4
05-03-2009, 07:21 AM
Nice build so far, any updates?

JDM EJ1 95
07-15-2009, 06:07 PM
ive been lazy lately.. but im getting some ambition back. so yea hopefully ill do some more in the next week or 2

RusS4
07-20-2009, 04:34 PM
updates?

TheyCallMeARI
07-25-2009, 11:09 PM
haha rick i finally made an audizine account.. its Aron with the black S4 on the 18" Rs'...
i can't wait till winter break when my engine is coming out for me to tinker with :)

JDM EJ1 95
07-26-2009, 08:37 AM
haha hey man. yea im still lagging on this.. but my car is getting painted soon so maybe ill have some ambition once i see it all nice and shiny again.

Gabe.
07-27-2009, 06:47 PM
That was you I met yesterday right? The car is looking great with the CCW's. Those are one of my favorite wheels for sure. I was planning to ask you about the single turbo build but was never able to find you again :(

joeS407
08-06-2009, 12:53 PM
what's the issue? my buddy has been pushing 523whp on his k03s at 31 PSI for 9 years.

31psi on k03's, ive been hitting 17 and i think i blew one of my turbos after 8 months with the chip

galvan11
08-06-2009, 01:21 PM
^^^Do you honestly think he was bieng serious? [headbang]

wdbdy2000s4
08-06-2009, 01:59 PM
^^^Do you honestly think he was bieng serious? [headbang]

thankyou. [hail]
I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious when we continued to joke about that for like 15 posts.

galvan11
08-06-2009, 02:12 PM
Some people amaze me...typical az questions and comments

joeS407
08-07-2009, 04:06 PM
im not good with sarcasm and that, here is a thought too...keep the thread on track and stop with this dick measuring bullshit that happens here so much

galvan11
08-07-2009, 04:42 PM
^ So let me get this straight, you comment on something completely irrelevant to this thread and then you turn around and tell us to stay on track with the thread?
"im not good with sarcasm and that"... No your not.

TheyCallMeARI
08-29-2009, 10:33 AM
looking good rick!

MultiAudis
10-08-2009, 11:58 AM
Hey JDM, hope all is going well with the build! I just bought an allroad and have been watching these s4 single turbo threads for almost 2 years now in anticipation. Keep up the great work and keep posting progress, as there are a lot of us out there that are big supporters, even though we may be quiet on the boards about it!

APBS4
10-08-2009, 01:36 PM
This done yet????

JDM EJ1 95
10-08-2009, 06:40 PM
im going to make a quick log manifold setup in a couple weeks. this is happening when i get my shop(nov 1st)

nthusiastt
11-05-2009, 04:47 PM
lets see some progress :)

Das General
11-05-2009, 06:42 PM
What are you making the log mani from, 2.8? What happened to your tubular?

sean1.8t
11-08-2009, 12:49 PM
What are you making the log mani from, 2.8? What happened to your tubular?

where have you been? and is your car done yet?

JDM EJ1 95
11-08-2009, 12:51 PM
i may make a simple log mani out of sch10 to see how that works out.

but the tubular is done.. just gotta duplicate it for the other side... my welder is not hooked up again.. but its at my new shop i just have to have it wired up as well as my other tools.

also on the tubular i think im going to have to shorten the length to pull the collector in towards the front of the motor more because the way it is now i probably wont have room for a downpipe on the drivers side..