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turboslay
01-22-2009, 07:44 PM
So, I went to my mechanic because I heard a winding sound coming from the wheel. I initially thought it was a wheel bearing but it turns out my wheels were rubbing against the suspension in the front. I know you can fit 17in wheels and bigger on this model car so what is going on with my wheels? Are they too big? Or is there some that I need to do to make these guys fit better?


Thanks,

Michael

goodhews
01-22-2009, 07:45 PM
need more info width e.t. and tire sizes

jrock
01-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Im runnin 18's on coilovers

A4Rob
01-22-2009, 07:49 PM
I have seen 20's on a B5. Seems like your offest is incorrect.

jrock
01-22-2009, 07:51 PM
You should be able to run 225/45/17's on there fine. You must be runnin some mad tall tires!

goodhews
01-22-2009, 07:53 PM
or e.t. 50+ or 10" wide lol

turboslay
01-22-2009, 07:56 PM
P225/45/17

A4Rob
01-22-2009, 07:57 PM
P225/45/17

What offset?

turboslay
01-22-2009, 07:58 PM
I know this does not make any sense...But there is like no room between the tire and the suspension. And when the car is running at high speeds it lowers so there is even less room between the tire and suspension.

turboslay
01-22-2009, 08:00 PM
I have no idea what offset..I got them mounted and balanced at Just Tires for like 70 bucks.

jrock
01-22-2009, 08:00 PM
Pics?

goodhews
01-22-2009, 08:01 PM
wat wheels do you have any pix?

akielb
01-22-2009, 08:11 PM
Way to big - They came with 15's for a reason from the factory

turboslay
01-22-2009, 08:18 PM
they came with 16s actually...I will post pics in a little bit.

akielb
01-22-2009, 08:37 PM
It was a joke - check your tire size like stated above - I have a 98 with 17's 38mm(I think) offset and 225/45/17. Do you have a suspension drop?

turboslay
01-22-2009, 08:41 PM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m122/blastermann/DSCN0106.jpg

turboslay
01-22-2009, 08:43 PM
No suspension or drop...This is just ridiculous, I just got these rims too. I am pretty sure you can fit 18in rims on the B5. I how can you check the offset?

zrowcool
01-22-2009, 08:45 PM
those are the a3 rims? you can fit 19's or even 20's on a b5 with the correct offset and tire. You're gunna need spacers and longer bolts to make them work.

akielb
01-22-2009, 08:46 PM
Are those A3 wheels? And again - TIRE SIZE!

Edit - zero beat me to it

turboslay
01-22-2009, 08:47 PM
Yeah dude I gave tire size already....P225/45/17

Tifun
01-22-2009, 08:49 PM
you need wheel spacers. 10mm all around should do it. i would take them off for the time if it was me. Nice wheels though.

njm23
01-22-2009, 08:50 PM
Can't tell you shit without the offset. Would suggest checking the inside of the rim for a number somewhere.

Lazer Viking
01-22-2009, 08:52 PM
tire size dosent mean shit
we need to know the offset, and that should be stamped on the back of the wheel

akielb
01-22-2009, 08:52 PM
Yeah dude I gave tire size already....P225/45/17

Sorry, read to quick - thought that was some posting the proper size. I'm searching now to figure out what the stock offset on an A3 is to see how much of a spacer you will need. 10mm sounds about right, but need to be sure

ForceFed
01-22-2009, 08:52 PM
just need spacers like tifun said. and your good

Tifun
01-22-2009, 08:53 PM
if he's getting minimal rubbing 10mm would be the perfect fit. prolly wont even put them flush to the wheel well. consider them to have the same offset as a MK5.

turboslay
01-22-2009, 08:57 PM
Im getting some great feedback guys really appreciate it...I am getting minimal rubbing on all of them except the for the front right which is rubbing against the front fender i think.

akielb
01-22-2009, 08:58 PM
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257009&highlight=offset

That thread says A3 stock 17's have a 57mm offset so as stated above 10mm spacers all around

Tifun
01-22-2009, 08:59 PM
yeah, spacers will fix it. you could get bigger to flush them but at minimal I would say 10mm. That's a little under a half inch that the wheel would push out.

akielb
01-22-2009, 09:12 PM
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=5x112+10mm+wheel+spacers&scoring=p

turboslay
01-22-2009, 09:14 PM
Does spacers fix the offset or just the space between the tire and suspension??

akielb
01-22-2009, 09:17 PM
offset is the distance from the back mount surface of the wheel to the center of the wheel

spacers will correct the offset by mounting your tire further away from the suspension.

andyrew
01-22-2009, 10:09 PM
Spacers put the wheels farther out (think toward you when your looking at the wheel fromt the pic)

Take a wheel off and look at the number inside the back of the wheel

"ETxx" (xx will be your number)

Ready?
Go.

turboslay
01-22-2009, 10:15 PM
I got 7.5X17-56mm for the offset on the wheels i have on right now

Lazer Viking
01-23-2009, 05:31 AM
there you go.. get a set of 10 or 15mm spacers and you will be good to go

the 17's that came on some 2001 a4's had an offset of 43

TheReflex79
01-23-2009, 06:35 AM
I have a '98 A4, Quattro, non-sport stock suspension, and I have a set of B5 S4 17" rims, 225/45r17....no rubbing issues, so far! *knock on wood* [wrench]

slopoke
01-23-2009, 07:25 AM
My rims dont rub but i would like to put spacers on to look a little nicer, but where can i get the extended lug bolts?

N/M I found
http://www.optionimports.com/extendedbolts.html

But on polished rims woud you guys goes with the black or chrome bolts? Im thinking chrome if they last, i dont want the chrome to flake off in 6 months =(

Nebone
01-23-2009, 07:30 AM
Remember that you need longer bolts with the spacers.

Gray Greg
01-23-2009, 03:04 PM
I got 10mm spacers andbolts from pure motor sports hope it does the trick

offroader1006
01-23-2009, 03:30 PM
I have a '98 A4, Quattro, non-sport stock suspension, and I have a set of B5 S4 17" rims, 225/45r17....no rubbing issues, so far! *knock on wood* [wrench]

you better drive with your fingers crossed. that offest could change overnight, and you'd be FUCKED!!![eek]

turboslay
01-23-2009, 06:36 PM
What are you talking about offroader and who are you talking to me or S4 rims??

turboslay
01-23-2009, 07:46 PM
Hey so I went with the 10mm spacers and longer new lug nuts. Now I am pondering whether getting springs will be more trouble than its worth. Is lowering the car going to make the component even closer to the wheels? Any B5 A4 owners who have 225/45/17 size wheels with E-bach springs???

njm23
01-23-2009, 08:02 PM
Lowering your car does not affect that. Don't worry about it, if you are clearing now with the 10mm spacers you will be fine when it is lowered, especially since it won't even be that low.

.Mad Hatter.
01-23-2009, 08:35 PM
iirc a 12-15mm spacer would work better with those wheels (A3)

turboslay
01-23-2009, 10:34 PM
Why do you say that??? Is there that much of a difference I mean its 2mm???

.Mad Hatter.
01-24-2009, 06:33 AM
i was considering buying them and i had thought i worked it out to need a 12mm spacer at least...actually i think it was 13mm difference in the offsets.

i may be mistaken though.

sciroccodriver
01-24-2009, 03:41 PM
iirc a 12-15mm spacer would work better with those wheels (A3)

I want to side with you on this. I have an 01 with sport springs and when I got my A8 rims they are 48mm offset and the wheel hit in the back (test fit with no tires). Knowing I wanted to get close to the perfect 35mm, I went with 16mm spacers and am at 32mm now. I'd be worried with it only being at 46mm. Wheel width might be a difference though.... I just might have a 17x8 wheel.. not sure.

turboslay
01-24-2009, 05:36 PM
I got the 10mm spacers the winding sound is still coming from the wheel...I don't know what to do now?? Considering taking it in to the dealer.

DND
01-24-2009, 06:57 PM
I recommend the following:

get 15mm spacers
check specifically where it is rubbing
see if you need to do something else once you know where it rubs


With a 7.5" wheel and the proper tire size (which you appear to have) you should have plenty of room on the outside. I'm running an 8" wheel with a plus sized tire on ET35 and a large bump cornering can make me rub on the outside of the wheel on the front fenders. You however won't have that problem and are most likely rubbing on the inside of the wheel from having way too high of an offset (56mm to 35mm is almost an inch further in and my wheels are only half an inch wider than yours and barely clear on the inside).

If you don't see wear on the tire from it rubbing then start looking for other things (is the tire noisy naturally? is the wheel bearing wearing out? is your suspension sagging in some strange way? are your shocks dead? is something hanging loose inside your wheel well? is there a rock or bolt stuck in your tread?).

Good luck.

njm23
01-24-2009, 07:02 PM
you really should find out the offset so people can stop guessing and tell you if it is in fact the wheels or not

DND
01-24-2009, 07:03 PM
you really should find out the offset so people can stop guessing and tell you if it is in fact the wheels or not

It was already posted as 56.

Tifun
01-24-2009, 07:33 PM
You got 10mm spacers fast........at any rate. you may have a wheels bearing going out if it's whirring/whining. Turn the wheel vigorously while drive and see if the sound changes. minimal jerks. Don't go flying off the road lol. That would be bad. 10mm should have fixed your problem. If you could drive before with minimal rubbing 10 should do the trick. If you were that far in the car would decelerate really fast and you would have smoke all over from the rubber rubbing the springs or whatever it was supposedly rubbing,

turboslay
01-25-2009, 12:05 AM
Yeah they shipped from CA FedEx and I am from Los Angeles. So I did exactly what you said and the noise is whirling/winding noise is defiantly louder when you jerk the wheel hard to the left and make left hand turns. I took the car to two different mechanic and they both said it was not the wheel bearing. I am considering trying one more mechanic and then I will take it to the dealer and if that does not work than I am just going to have to live with it for now. I mean what else can I do?? I don't think an extra 2-5mm will make that much of a difference with the spacers as far as rubbing goes. The 10mm spacer did definitely give the wheel more room between the component and the tire though. Anyone have any ideas??

InTTruder
01-25-2009, 03:31 AM
Just fine:
http://i40.tinypic.com/nwgaqa.jpg

PSI NRG
01-25-2009, 05:32 AM
I run 19X8.5in wheels with 235 35 tires +35 offset they rubbed on the control arms less in the front so I run an 8mm spacer up front and a 10mm in the rear longer lugs now its a perfect fit and they sit flush with the fenders well just enough to were it doesnt need to be rolled

Tifun
01-25-2009, 06:47 AM
Yeah they shipped from CA FedEx and I am from Los Angeles. So I did exactly what you said and the noise is whirling/winding noise is defiantly louder when you jerk the wheel hard to the left and make left hand turns. I took the car to two different mechanic and they both said it was not the wheel bearing. I am considering trying one more mechanic and then I will take it to the dealer and if that does not work than I am just going to have to live with it for now. I mean what else can I do?? I don't think an extra 2-5mm will make that much of a difference with the spacers as far as rubbing goes. The 10mm spacer did definitely give the wheel more room between the component and the tire though. Anyone have any ideas??

Did the noise at any point ever go away during your turning experiment or change pitch or tone? You can do another test but get yourself a better jack than then widow maker Audi so generously supplied up with. Jack it up and simple wiggle the wheel and see if it has any loose play. This should be somewhat noticeable. Usually top to bottom wiggle, since left to right can actually feel like it's loose when it's just the steering playing tricks on you. I honestly don't think your wheels are rubbing now. I just can't see how that is even possible. Are you able to tell if it is front or back? The only other thing I could possible think of is that you are rubbing the plastic wheel liners, which could maybe be missing a clip or so causing them to sag just enough. Really there's nothing else. Oh, you could get chalk and line the inside and outside of the wheel too.....that way you can see if it is rubbing on anything as well. K. I'm out of ideas. Good luck man.
-Keith

.Mad Hatter.
01-25-2009, 05:29 PM
like i said, i worked it out as i had a set of those wheels lined up....12-15mm spacers are needed...10 wouldnt have been enough

turboslay
01-25-2009, 06:54 PM
Did some more turing tests today:

Noise appears to increase around 30+mph. Noise increase more when making right turns and jerking wheel to the right.

I really think 2mm-5mm would not make that much of a difference unorthadox. But your calculations are right on. It is only the front right wheel that is making the noise though. The other wheels seem to be fine.

A4Rob
01-25-2009, 08:53 PM
Did some more turing tests today:

Noise appears to increase around 30+mph. Noise increase more when making right turns and jerking wheel to the right.

I really think 2mm-5mm would not make that much of a difference unorthadox. But your calculations are right on. It is only the front right wheel that is making the noise though. The other wheels seem to be fine.

Are you sure you don't have a bad wheel bearing?

Tifun
01-25-2009, 09:14 PM
Yeah really sounds like a wheel bearing. Or some magical rubbing through a series of spells and potions. If you don't think it's the wheel bearing, which I do based off of what you have said, try the chalk line to see if it is still rubbing somehow. Which could be, I really don't know without being there. Still, I vote wheel bearing in the end.
-Keith

.Mad Hatter.
01-26-2009, 09:24 AM
wheel bearing or CV joint...which is not good.

Tifun
01-26-2009, 05:18 PM
wheel bearing or CV joint...which is not good.
Yeah, a CV would suck just as much lol. They aren't too terrible to do though so that's a plus.

turboslay
01-28-2009, 12:23 AM
Took it to the dealer turns out it was a wheel bearing and my tie rods are shot too. And on top of that I need to start saving for a new clutch. God I love my Audi but I think I am going to move onto a GTI.

.Mad Hatter.
01-28-2009, 05:31 AM
ya....GTIs never have these problems

AudiA4_20T
01-28-2009, 05:39 AM
I have a '98 A4, Quattro, non-sport stock suspension, and I have a set of B5 S4 17" rims, 225/45r17....no rubbing issues, so far! *knock on wood* [wrench]

Cool? Your offset is nowhere near his we wouldnt expect yours to rub

turboslay
01-28-2009, 10:56 AM
VW's have a solid reputation

Spykce
01-28-2009, 11:19 AM
They are, and are not, the same thing. I had the same issues more or less with my GTI as I have and expect to have with the A4. Parts will wear out. I however like my A4 better overall, daily driver and the potential behind it.

turboslay
01-29-2009, 02:30 PM
This is true but a GTI would be under warranty and the Audi is comming out of pocket.

SynapticA4TQM
07-12-2012, 08:17 PM
ya....GTIs never have these problems

rofl!!! ^^^ loving it! If you had said something like I'm going to switch to a completely stock untouched Nissan, and will never mod it, that MIGHT have made some sense... But from Audi to vw? Same company... Many of the same parts. Wait I suppose the mexicans built the Gti's and the Germans built the a4... Ehm, I'll refrain from making any sort of potentially inflammatory comments here... lol!

The stock offset is 45 by the way... If the wheel is the same width but the offset is different by 11, then 12's or 15's would do the trick more than 10's. However he mentioned that his other wheel was rubbing the fender... Tht starts sounding like things may be shifted in one direction... That or the camber/toe could be out.

SynapticA4TQM
07-12-2012, 08:31 PM
Oops cemetery grave digger bump... What I get for searching things lol

coolgraymemo
07-12-2012, 08:58 PM
17's are perfect for B5s.

hazard860
07-14-2012, 12:52 PM
lol^, yeah offset can make it or break it, i think our cars are et35 stock.

SynapticA4TQM
07-14-2012, 12:56 PM
My 15" are et45 and they're stock

hazard860
07-14-2012, 02:18 PM
45 then. it was one of the two