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Sick_Boy
01-13-2009, 11:39 PM
im thinking of taking advantage of the mjm autohaus 45% off blistein shocks deal. im looking at getting the blistein sports shocks and then i dont know weather to get the neuspeed sport or race springs. my car is a 01 non-sport and i would like to see my car lower then the sport but not so low that the tires are tucking. does any one out there have one of those set ups or pics of this setup. if you could give me some info thatd be great!! thanks

Seerlah
01-14-2009, 05:52 AM
You should check the sticky in the "FAQ and DIY" section: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28941

The majority of people whom run Bilstein shocks usually run H&R springs. Just a preferance thing. But I know that MJM has the package deals, w/Neuspeed as thier options. The Sport springs should grant maybe a 2-3 finger gap while the Race springs should grant a close to flush look with the fender and wheels/tires (1 gap). I would not really count on the tires tucking behind the fender (that is more of a look that needs to be accomplished by coilovers).

You must also consider that if you go the race spring option, you will learn of new issues to be cautious of such as hitting your belly pan on the concrete (many people crack thier belly pans due to lowering springs) and not being able to raise your vehicle in the winter. You profile says you live in Chicago, and the winters there can be harsh. With race springs, you are basically using your vehicle as a bull-dozer instead of riding over it and letting Quattro go to work.

And besides look, there is the ride quality. Race springs will be more stiffer, but people preferr that. The sport springs will be softer, and once again there are others whom preferr those. It is basically a preferance thing for looks, ride quality, pros, and cons. This is why many just save up for coilovers to avoid these decidions, as you can change the height as you want.

Sick_Boy
01-14-2009, 11:53 AM
great thanks seerlah that helped me make up my mind. im going to go with the sports.

oldblu
01-14-2009, 01:12 PM
how did you get that deal?

flynnr
01-14-2009, 02:02 PM
yeah lets see some before and after pics when you get done!

and do you have a link for that 45% off deal? thanks

J Ozzie
01-14-2009, 02:07 PM
Yeah 45% deal hook up buddayyy

Kyle H
01-14-2009, 02:07 PM
Group Buy on Bilstein Shocks - 45% off! (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257436)

My vote for springs is Vogtland club spec.


edit-
the black car is on nuespeed race springs:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/b854a955.jpg

Kronic Budz
01-14-2009, 02:43 PM
Group Buy on Bilstein Shocks - 45% off! (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257436)

My vote for springs is Vogtland club spec.


edit-
the black car is on nuespeed race springs:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/b854a955.jpg

club spec is claimed to be the same ride height as vogtland sports correct? If so. You will have a 2-3 finger gap as i do with vogtland sports. I rec getting the h&r sports or eibach pro kit.

Kyle H
01-14-2009, 02:48 PM
this car is on vogtland springs:
http://cchanphotography.com/car/mag_coverage/Paul-.jpg


so I don't know what you mean about the 3 finger gap. that stance looks HOT imo.

Kronic Budz
01-14-2009, 08:22 PM
this car is on vogtland springs:
http://cchanphotography.com/car/mag_coverage/Paul-.jpg


so I don't know what you mean about the 3 finger gap. that stance looks HOT imo.


ok sir how bout i show you what im talking about....

bilstien sports on vogtland sport springs. "Claims" 1.4 inch drop from stock non sport f & r. it came out to be about 1.1 in rear, 1.3 in front. It "should" be almost twice as much of a drop going from non-sport to sport since its "known" to be .75 inch drop difference front and rear from non-sport to stock sport. Here ya go, before and afters. and no, they never really "settled" even after i have driven hard on them for over 1000k miles.

2-3 finger gap. Around 25.75 in ground to fender.

**exceptions*** pass front, 3 finger gap **higher then the rest**
pass rear, 2 finger gap **lower then the rest**

WHY WOULD THIS BE, I HAVE NO IDEA. I REMEMBER WITH MY OLD SUSPENSION MY PASS FRONT WAS HIGHER THEN THE REST AS WELL

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2221/1000374rn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1000374rn1.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img108/1000374rn1.jpg/1/)

Alex818
01-14-2009, 08:52 PM
H&R race springs!!!

I love mine

kingtr
01-14-2009, 08:56 PM
If so. You will have a 2-3 finger gap as i do with vogtland sports. I rec getting the h&r sports or eibach pro kit.

I had vogtland sport with bilstein sports on my last car and I strongly prefer the way it handled and rode in comparison to my current setup (eibach pro kit and bilstein(front) koni adjustables rear.) It is how the front end reacts to bumps etc that I don't like about the eibach springs... Just my opinion about these two specific setups.

Either way I advocate bilsteins over Konis. Could be possible I never had mine dialed in as well as it could have been...

B5 SLPR
01-14-2009, 09:01 PM
h&r race ftw

boostedup
01-15-2009, 12:20 AM
or neuspeed race. i have the bilstein sport/neuspeed race combo and LOVE the stance.

burner799
01-15-2009, 12:33 AM
What is the price going to be on the bilsteins for us? it says 45 percent off but bilstein has no price on it's website, just a bunch of retailers who's prices would I assume vary....stupid

Kronic Budz
01-15-2009, 01:34 AM
my bad my comp was being weird earlier, here is my after picture of bilstien sports on vogtland sport springs. 2-3 finger gap. more on the 2 finger side. the ride is amazing though compared to stock non-sport. Best mod i will ever do to my car. Kinda harsh over the wrong bumps and rough cement but totally worth it. totally bareable. if i were to do it again i would just go for the h&r race springs. thought the sports would be more aggressive. But from what i heard its the bilstien sports that make it sit a little higher then normal.... anyways im satisfied for now with them.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3255/1001112kp7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/1001112kp7.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img107/1001112kp7.jpg/1/)

Jeff
01-24-2009, 03:45 PM
I am running Bilstein Sport shocks + Vogtland Sport springs, and they feel very soft. With the Bilstein shocks, I am able to feel the road a lot more (little bumps, and crap on the road), but paired up with the Vogtland springs, the ride is still VERY soft, which is a bit too soft for my taste.

Thinking of going to a stiffer spring, without adding much more of a drop.

Kronic Budz
01-24-2009, 04:02 PM
I am running Bilstein Sport shocks + Vogtland Sport springs, and they feel very soft. With the Bilstein shocks, I am able to feel the road a lot more (little bumps, and crap on the road), but paired up with the Vogtland springs, the ride is still VERY soft, which is a bit too soft for my taste.

Thinking of going to a stiffer spring, without adding much more of a drop.


same setup as you. It is kinda soft. Firmer then normal sport springs but could be firmer. Do you have a picture of your stance? Speed bumps are a bitch though for sure.

lowandslow4now
01-24-2009, 05:02 PM
I ended up going with the H&R race with the bilsteins and I like them alot
Here is a before

speedydragon
01-24-2009, 06:02 PM
bilstein on the highest groove + neuspeed sport

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a272/speedydragon/DSC_0186.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a272/speedydragon/DSC_0187.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a272/speedydragon/DSC_0193.jpg
HID start up
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a272/speedydragon/DSC_0194.jpg
HID Warmed
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a272/speedydragon/DSC_0199.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a272/speedydragon/DSC_0200.jpg

Sick_Boy
01-24-2009, 11:07 PM
damn all of your cars look good as shit lowered and i really want to lower mine but i just found out that i might be going to boot camp next month instead of in the summer so i guess im gunna have to put my car on hold until i can take some leave and work on it. but but i thank you all who have put input into this tread. i will most likely be going with bilstein and neuspeed sports. and ill forsure post pics when im done.

UCFQuattroguy
01-25-2009, 07:49 AM
I'm running the Vogtland "Club Spec" springs with bilstein dampers. It's pretty much the only stand-alone spring that runs a front/rear spring rate ratio that actually is an improvement over stock sport. IIRC the club specs have a Front rate of 348lbs and rear of 360lbs.

I previously ran the H&R sport springs before the vogtlands, I can honestly say the car rotates MUCH better.

Jeff
01-25-2009, 12:10 PM
I'm running the Vogtland "Club Spec" springs with bilstein dampers. It's pretty much the only stand-alone spring that runs a front/rear spring rate ratio that actually is an improvement over stock sport. IIRC the club specs have a Front rate of 348lbs and rear of 360lbs.

I previously ran the H&R sport springs before the vogtlands, I can honestly say the car rotates MUCH better.

How is the ride quality compared to the H&R's?

Jeff
01-25-2009, 12:11 PM
same setup as you. It is kinda soft. Firmer then normal sport springs but could be firmer. Do you have a picture of your stance? Speed bumps are a bitch though for sure.

I will get some pictures, though the car looks like a trainwreck. [:D]

UCFQuattroguy
01-25-2009, 01:08 PM
The ride quality as actually a little better compared to the H&R's. The reason? The Bilsteins have a pretty aggressive damping profile (read: STIFF), so they're going to need more spring to be a good match. Even though the CS's are better, I still think the Bilstein Sports need even more spring rate to match...probably in the ballpark of 400+lbs/in.

The low-speed suspension movements such as actual driver inputs and rolling elements in a road, the springs are almost a perfect match. When the road gets a bit choppy, the ride will suffer. The bilsteins have VERY stiff damping in the "fast" velocity suspension movements. This is why I say they need more spring than the CS's to be "matched".

That's probably way more than you'll ever want to know...but that's just from the perspective of someone who does quite a bit of autocross.

Vi3tBoY1029
01-25-2009, 01:18 PM
bilstein sports with H&R race springs with fender rolling and slight flaring.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j29/kiet1029/IMG_4606-1.jpg

Jeff
01-25-2009, 01:28 PM
The ride quality as actually a little better compared to the H&R's. The reason? The Bilsteins have a pretty aggressive damping profile (read: STIFF), so they're going to need more spring to be a good match. Even though the CS's are better, I still think the Bilstein Sports need even more spring rate to match...probably in the ballpark of 400+lbs/in.

The low-speed suspension movements such as actual driver inputs and rolling elements in a road, the springs are almost a perfect match. When the road gets a bit choppy, the ride will suffer. The bilsteins have VERY stiff damping in the "fast" velocity suspension movements. This is why I say they need more spring than the CS's to be "matched".

That's probably way more than you'll ever want to know...but that's just from the perspective of someone who does quite a bit of autocross.

I currently have the Vogtland sport springs, and they are VERY soft, especially in the rear (I have an Avant). According to Vogtland, they do not have an "Avant" application, for they are the same. I am really starting to hate the ride quality each day, and wondering if going to the CS' would help. I don't mind a stiff ride, but with the harsh damping of the Bilsteins, on top of some SOFT springs... the car feels like an old bouncy Cadillac, that would crackle and clunk over every small bump on the road.

NyteEscape
01-25-2009, 01:31 PM
i'm running bilsteins sport with h&r sport springs. a little stiff, but i love it...