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Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 11:55 AM
So, I have a treat for you people. Here are the dyno numbers for the Carbonio Carbon Fiber Air box. These were taken on a Stock 1.8T B6 a4 with the inake beng installed on the dyno for the second run with no adjustmnts. For all the non-believers there is an obvious 15hp gain. Remember this was done without an exhaust or chip.

The dynos were provided by velocityfactor and were in DynoJet format which is why I just took a pic of the screen.

I have a feeling this threadis gonna start a war!

For those who are not familiar with the intake here is a link
http://carboniointakes.com/A4/a4.php
Velocity factor sells the intake for the B5 for $340 + Free shiping.

I think I'm gonna go for it
HP:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Rieger_rs4/IMAG0205.jpg
TQ:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Rieger_rs4/IMAG0206.jpg

littlewhite
10-19-2004, 11:57 AM
[cool]
Hope this thread wont turn out to be a flaming intake post.

Audi_Sniper
10-19-2004, 11:58 AM
I still think it's a waste of money. If the price would come down a bit then I would give it a try..

Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by blackknight
[cool]
Hope this thread wont turn out to be a flaming intake post.

I have a feeling it will.

SeanF
10-19-2004, 12:13 PM
i want one for sound purposes, but not at that price

MKGIY
10-19-2004, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by blackknight
[cool]
Hope this thread wont turn out to be a flaming intake post.

I wonder what kind of numbers a flaming intake would put down. [:p]

Mike

SoleMate
10-19-2004, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by whtbutterofrage
I still think it's a waste of money. If the price would come down a bit then I would give it a try..

same here.

mnkyA4
10-19-2004, 12:21 PM
how does this compare to the EVO intake for the B5?

Steve24
10-19-2004, 12:50 PM
looks better than I expected, but still the pirce..... maybe some day

ECA4
10-19-2004, 12:58 PM
Thats a prety substantal gain from just an intake, now I want one. i wish they would come down on the price...do i smell a group buy?[:D]

audlman
10-19-2004, 01:11 PM
its ok rieger, i talked to you about it. this thread was to prove the flamers wrong.

audlman
10-19-2004, 01:12 PM
Thats a prety substantal gain from just an intake, now I want one. i wish they would come down on the price...do i smell a group buy?

i know im smelling it!

quattroanillos5
10-19-2004, 01:15 PM
anybody what it sounds like on the car....

audlman
10-19-2004, 01:17 PM
nope. no clue. but dayyyummm, that price needs to drop!

ECA4
10-19-2004, 01:21 PM
I'm going to send some e-mails and see if I can try and make it possible

Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 01:23 PM
I'm actually in the middle of tryin to set up a GB

ECA4
10-19-2004, 01:25 PM
Ok then keep us updated... i'm in

BoostinA4
10-19-2004, 02:08 PM
yeah let me know on the group by

EVIL-AUDI
10-19-2004, 02:11 PM
The HP#'s just don't justify the price for me.

Howard Hughes
10-19-2004, 03:34 PM
Did I miss something or is it just for the B6?

Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 03:37 PM
It's out for a B5 now

A4Rob
10-19-2004, 03:53 PM
Im selling my EVO intake if anyone wants it. Make a really aggressive noise and with the DV valve it make a BOV sound. Makes your car sound meeeeean!!! PM me for more info

matt@oCarbon
10-19-2004, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Rieger_RS4
It's out for a B5 now

hate to break it to you, but its not out yet.

i ordered one from velocityfactor 2 weeks ago, and this is the status on my order page:

Dear Matthew:
Expected Release is Late October Early Nov Please be Patient as we will get out to you the carbon fiber induction System as soon as the Manufacturer releases it. Thanks for your patience and your Business.
Felipe Velocityfactor
10/5/2004 4:25:33 PM
Order Status : Paid

Zodiak
10-19-2004, 04:05 PM
spoke with the Carbonio guys at waterfest, and they said they won't do group buys. Maybe the some shops will be willing to take a loss on price just to get the product out there, but don't get your hopes up.

ECA4
10-19-2004, 04:40 PM
hate to break it to you, but its not out yet.
I've seen sites that have the B5 intake for sale already.

matt@oCarbon
10-19-2004, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by ECA4
I've seen sites that have the B5 intake for sale already.

please read my post again. my intake is paid for already, and has been for two weeks, however it hasnt shipped yet...

quattro_maniac
10-19-2004, 05:42 PM
the baseline run was 1 degree and 3% higher humidity than the test run...thats why it got such a high reading!! [:p]

Daft
10-19-2004, 06:05 PM
I see HP number but, what about torque? Most intakes add a few HP but usually cause a torque loss.

audlman
10-19-2004, 06:37 PM
reiger meant that the B6 was already out, not the B5.

Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 06:58 PM
well, the b5 one is for sale in a few shops already....

but I can wait a week or two

ECA4
10-19-2004, 07:01 PM
rieger check your pm's

Paul_858
10-19-2004, 07:06 PM
sorry man but dynoing at a shop that sells the product, even I'd have to see numbers from an independent shop. Is that corrected (crank) values? fwd?

Paul_858
10-19-2004, 07:20 PM
also to note, the files are called run 4 and 5, guessing 1-3 happened as well.. I am curious what numbers you saw on your first couple runs. Run 1 and 2 would probably be the highest, at which point hte intercooler, turbo gets up to temp. Run 4 being the last stock run = hottest, run 5 = downtime to install airbox, so things cool down a bit. Don't get me wrong I truly hope we can expect 15hp out of the intake system being upgraded (more of a possibility on the B6 due to snorkle kink *MB*) but i sure wouldn't want to be persuaded to purchase a product from mis-advertisement.

JMG
10-19-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Paul_858
also to note, the files are called run 4 and 5, guessing 1-3 happened as well.. I am curious what numbers you saw on your first couple runs. Run 1 and 2 would probably be the highest, at which point hte intercooler, turbo gets up to temp. Run 4 being the last stock run = hottest, run 5 = downtime to install airbox, so things cool down a bit. Don't get me wrong I truly hope we can expect 15hp out of the intake system being upgraded (more of a possibility on the B6 due to snorkle kink *MB*) but i sure wouldn't want to be persuaded to purchase a product from mis-advertisement.

good points Paul. What is the degree of error on the dyno? A variance of +/- 10hp effects these results greatly.

matt@oCarbon
10-19-2004, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by Rieger_RS4
well, the b5 one is for sale in a few shops already....

but I can wait a week or two

i bought a b5 one from a place thats selling it already. i was only pointing out that they will not be shipping for a while, as they are not ready yet.

Paul_858
10-19-2004, 07:38 PM
Carbonio sent an email out and said the B5 units were ready.



Originally posted by asusc
i bought a b5 one from a place thats selling it already. i was only pointing out that they will not be shipping for a while, as they are not ready yet.

Paul_858
10-19-2004, 07:39 PM
second note, just noticed the 4th run has a timestamp before the 5th run... so i'm even more confused now.

install took negative 18 seconds? just confused

third item, old dirty filter will definately provide less flow than brand new filter

matt@oCarbon
10-19-2004, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Paul_858
Carbonio sent an email out and said the B5 units were ready.

when was this? i have yet to hear from them, and have paid for it already. did they say when they'd be shipping?

markbradford
10-19-2004, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Paul_858
second note, just noticed the 4th run has a timestamp before the 5th run... so i'm even more confused now.

install took negative 18 seconds? just confused


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Paul_858
10-19-2004, 07:44 PM
Just yesterday. :)


Originally posted by asusc
when was this? i have yet to hear from them, and have paid for it already. did they say when they'd be shipping?

Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Paul_858
second note, just noticed the 4th run has a timestamp before the 5th run... so i'm even more confused now.

install took negative 18 seconds? just confused

third item, old dirty filter will definately provide less flow than brand new filter


Buahhahahahha............

the time stams are from when i opened the files. and yes, I'm quick, it only took 18 seconds

LoL[:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]

matt@oCarbon
10-19-2004, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Paul_858
Just yesterday. :)

excellent. azaudi.org has a dyno day setup for the 6th of nov. if i get it before that i can do one run with the stock setup, and one with the carbonio.

Paul_858
10-19-2004, 07:50 PM
Do us a huge favor, find/borrow a relatively new stock filter, drop that in then dyno... install the box, then dyno. :)


Originally posted by asusc
excellent. azaudi.org has a dyno day setup for the 6th of nov. if i get it before that i can do one run with the stock setup, and one with the carbonio.

matt@oCarbon
10-19-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Paul_858
Do us a huge favor, find/borrow a relatively new stock filter, drop that in then dyno... install the box, then dyno. :)

i have a k&n filter, that is only a few weeks old. how much are stock ones from the dealer?

Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 07:53 PM
I't not my car!

I requested a dyno from velocityfactor an they sent me one in Dyno jet format. I rust found out that the file also has the TQ curve, a/f, engine speed,......etc.

I'll post those too

Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by asusc
i have a k&n filter, that is only a few weeks old. how much are stock ones from the dealer?
stock is $10 at any auto parts store

Rieger_RS4
10-19-2004, 08:00 PM
TQ Curve:

and the tim stamps are from when I originally unzipped the files

as you can see there is a noticeble incease there as well
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Rieger_rs4/IMAG0206.jpg

littlewhite
10-20-2004, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Paul_858
Just yesterday. :)

Ditto !

bOOOOstedAudi
10-20-2004, 02:27 AM
i told you guys. fun arguing though

Paul_858
10-20-2004, 07:35 AM
No arguing here, just trying to get the bottom of everything =)


Originally posted by bOOOOstedAudi
i told you guys. fun arguing though

Jet Jockey
10-20-2004, 12:30 PM
I've talked to Carbonio many times on their testing procedures and they don't really believe a dyno is the best way to test out an intake system.

They test their CAI by actually having the car on a track with given specifics and sophisticated measuring equipment. This way they get the air's resonance effect when it enters the box which a dyno can not duplicate.

They claim a 4 to 6 Hp gain on a stock A4, this might be conservative and most likely people will see higher gains especially if their cars are modified. Perhaps to be safe in the marketing side of things they down rated their product, which in this business is very rare, when we know that most outfits tend to exaggerate their products. I for one, will just assume the 4 to 6 Hp they tell me and if it turns out to be more in the real world, so be it.

I would advise people to be cautious about this first dyno test of the unit. Small changes in temperature and humidity can change the performance of a turbo engine by a lot.

Now if only Carbonio would design an affective CAI for my car or anyone else with the dual I/Cs. It was a sad day when I returned that unit back to them.

audlman
10-20-2004, 12:34 PM
any more on the GB?

Saturnine
10-20-2004, 12:36 PM
Pics of it in your car?

zemun2
10-20-2004, 12:37 PM
Somethings fishy here, Installed Carbonio in less then a minute.. I don't think so

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/749DYNORUN-med.jpg

Jet Jockey
10-20-2004, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Saturnine
Pics of it in your car?


Sorry, but no. No camera at the time. I could have kicked myself in the ass many times, believe me.

audlman
10-20-2004, 12:48 PM
i beleive those are the runs too... kinda does seem weird. unless they had 2 cars somehow, and did something really fast. seems weird, who knows.

Rieger_RS4
10-20-2004, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by zemun2
Somethings fishy here, Installed Carbonio in less then a minute.. I don't think so

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/749DYNORUN-med.jpg

Those are the two files they send me. The times are of me unzipping the files into my conputer. They have nothing to do with the testing times.

zemun2
10-20-2004, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by audlman
i beleive those are the runs too... kinda does seem weird. unless they had 2 cars somehow, and did something really fast. seems weird, who knows.
He said:
"These were taken on a Stock 1.8T B6 a4 with the inake beng installed on the dyno for the second run with no adjustmnts"


That ment same car betwwen runs 4 and 5.
Second thing is that run #5 time is before run#4.
Why would you dyno two diff cars and then claim 15whp increase.
Two diff cars can have diff numbers even stock.

Audimarc
10-20-2004, 12:54 PM
I have always said that intakes are good, glad to see proof. I like it, bring down the price!

audlman
10-20-2004, 12:54 PM
Rieger is so smart. no wonder he hid some of it. such a smart fellow. [:)]

Silvant
10-20-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by quattroanillos5
anybody what it sounds like on the car....

definitely important ^^^^ [rolleyes]

Rieger_RS4
10-20-2004, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by audlman
Rieger is so smart. no wonder he hid some of it. such a smart fellow. [:)]

What I hid was my name since it's my conputer!

audlman
10-20-2004, 01:14 PM
What I hid was my name since it's my conputer!
i know thats why you hid it, thats what i was trying to say.

bhvrdr
10-20-2004, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Rieger_RS4
[B]So, I have a treat for you people. Here are the dyno numbers for the Carbonio Carbon Fiber Air box. These were taken on a Stock 1.8T B6 a4 with the inake beng installed on the dyno for the second run with no adjustmnts. For all the non-believers there is an obvious 15hp gain. Remember this was done without an exhaust or chip.

The dynos were provided by velocityfactor and were in DynoJet format which is why I just took a pic of the screen.

I have a feeling this threadis gonna start a war!

Excellent numbers! I believe the reason your numbers are so good compared to Carbonios is because they are very anal about their testing conditions. A dyno is a poor measure of performance for an intake due to the lack of airflow associated with a moving car under increasing speed conditions. Carbonio actually tests them on the road using sophisticated equipment. That explains why their numbers are lower and why people were probably sceptical. I have no doubt that this is one of the nicest intakes out there and the true beauty of it is that it is prepped to accept a 3" MAF sensor. I have spoken with Paul on this several times and Jet did some testing with our DSMICs and cant get it to fit our cars due to the twin intercoolers. When they get it worked out, I will probably grab one. $350 for 15hp is nothing. People spend thousands on NA cars to get 15hp. cheers! Mike

MR VTEC
10-20-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by bhvrdr
$350 for 15hp is nothing. People spend thousands on NA cars to get 15hp. cheers! Mike
Very true

audlman
10-20-2004, 03:48 PM
yea, but listen up carful, that full out 15hp would probally be with a turbo, intake and exhaust. to get the full out effect. maybe im wrong, but thats what im thinking.

bhvrdr
10-20-2004, 03:51 PM
Paul at Carbonio conceeds that the more hp you are running, the more this intake will help. This makes sense. A 3" exhaust is not going to benefit the K03 the same way it will benefit a K24. We're taling input and output. cheers! Mike

audlman
10-20-2004, 03:58 PM
sounds good to me, i mean more performance needs more air. i hope we can get a group buy going on this thing, i really want one.

ECA4
10-20-2004, 04:54 PM
i hope we can get a group buy going on this thing, i really want one
Ditto

Paul_858
10-20-2004, 06:00 PM
FMIC... nuff said; add an oil cooler, powersteering cooler and you have a very track ready setup.


Originally posted by Jet Jockey
I've talked to Carbonio many times on their testing procedures and they don't really believe a dyno is the best way to test out an intake system.

They test their CAI by actually having the car on a track with given specifics and sophisticated measuring equipment. This way they get the air's resonance effect when it enters the box which a dyno can not duplicate.

They claim a 4 to 6 Hp gain on a stock A4, this might be conservative and most likely people will see higher gains especially if their cars are modified. Perhaps to be safe in the marketing side of things they down rated their product, which in this business is very rare, when we know that most outfits tend to exaggerate their products. I for one, will just assume the 4 to 6 Hp they tell me and if it turns out to be more in the real world, so be it.

I would advise people to be cautious about this first dyno test of the unit. Small changes in temperature and humidity can change the performance of a turbo engine by a lot.

Now if only Carbonio would design an affective CAI for my car or anyone else with the dual I/Cs. It was a sad day when I returned that unit back to them.

amirsafdari
10-20-2004, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by bhvrdr
Carbonio actually tests them on the road using sophisticated equipment.

[confused]

hey would you happen to know what sophisticated equipment he used?

when i picked up the intake from Paul, i asked about the dyno claims, and he never mentioned that to me

audlman
10-20-2004, 06:46 PM
found a carrier, trying to get a good price on GB's. Ill keep you updated.

bhvrdr
10-20-2004, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by amirsafdari
[confused]

hey would you happen to know what sophisticated equipment he used?

when i picked up the intake from Paul, i asked about the dyno claims, and he never mentioned that to me

Their claims aren't dyno claims. I apologize I dont remember all of the exact methods, but the basics are using timing methods in driving situations and mathematical formulas to determine the decreased times into performance numbers. They take into account factors such as whether, elevation, and wind I believe. I think it is one of the only ways to take into account the actual performance of the intake on the road. cheers! Mike

matt@oCarbon
10-20-2004, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by amirsafdari
[confused]

hey would you happen to know what sophisticated equipment he used?

when i picked up the intake from Paul, i asked about the dyno claims, and he never mentioned that to me

http://carboniointakes.com/design.php#dd

seek and ye shall find.

audlman
10-20-2004, 07:02 PM
mmmhmmmm

matt@oCarbon
10-21-2004, 09:56 AM
i got word from velocityfactor today. my intake should be arriving here on nov. 2nd according to the fedex ground tracking.

llNeverFollowll
10-21-2004, 06:45 PM
Keep us updated, im thinking about getting the Carbonio...
Thanks guys

Peace

audlman
10-21-2004, 06:48 PM
same here, just thinking about if i want to pay that much for an intake.