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TheQuattro
11-08-2008, 09:26 AM
So im in this heated debate with my friend who owns a 325is coupe 5spd which is rated @ 189 hp btw his car is stock with the exception of a new clutch. This thing feels pretty quick because of the new clutch.

I use to own an A4 QTM 97' with 3in d/p with 3in exhaust with apr chip 93/100oct mode. It wasnt the fastest thing in the world but im sure it could own his ass.

My older bro use to own a 325is exact as my friends but his was "modded"...the guy had a 3inch exhuast and had alot of miles. And he raced my other friends audi A4 with just a giac chip. And my bro lost from a 40 roll like 3 times by maybe 2+ cars each time. My Bmw friend is debating that my bro's 325is had lost hp because of the ricer 3inch exhaust (he planned to boost it but never did) and that his car has a new clutch an would womp on a4 chipped on a 40 roll or a 60 roll. He said awd sucks from higher rolls and his bmw would own it. I just wish i new someone that still had one. Becuase as a former owner this is a kick to my stomach. My new ride would walk the shit out of any BMW but its not really fair to race him in my new ride even with boost at 8psi.

P.S anyone that lives in South florida, broward area pm me [cool]
IF you have a b5 1.8tqm and i will pay for your gas to race him.

slopoke
11-08-2008, 09:43 AM
meh a4 chipped should walk him 200hp+ and 220tq+ whats his 3series tq 170-180?

biketsai
11-08-2008, 09:51 AM
I believe this has been covered numerous times in other threads (including 330's 328, etc). You should beat him, especially from a dig.

bob12312357
11-08-2008, 09:53 AM
Just chipped it would be a pretty even race. If you had a GiacX chip or somethin somethin then yea you'd smoke him. Our cars feel fast cause of that boost spike, where as the BMW's smooth inline 6 feels so slow because its so smooth.

bob12312357
11-08-2008, 09:55 AM
I believe this has been covered numerous times in other threads (including 330's 328, etc). You should beat him, especially from a dig.
Stock clutch and chipped? Our land yachts don't make enough power even with a chip for AWD to give us an advantage on a RWD that can launch, especially on a new clutch.[drive][drive]

slopoke
11-08-2008, 10:03 AM
Stock clutch and chipped? Our land yachts don't make enough power even with a chip for AWD to give us an advantage on a RWD that can launch, especially on a new clutch.[drive][drive]

Launch? he said from a 40mph roll

bob12312357
11-08-2008, 10:55 AM
Launch? he said from a 40mph roll
It was a reply to a previous post saying something about from a dig. read the whole post including my quote of him...[headbang][:D]

Rhinop21
11-08-2008, 11:13 AM
Fwiw, I raced a 96 325is auto from a dig 10,20,30 what ever and I killed him with the mods in my sig by about 10 cars every time.

biketsai
11-08-2008, 11:49 AM
Being chipped should do the trick. Gotta take advantage of that AWD launch from a dig. I was able to keep up with a 95' 5.0 stang with exhaust being chipped with a shitty launch in my auto with just a chip.

maxspeed
11-08-2008, 12:17 PM
i would dispatch with those roachboxes on an everyday basis when i was just chipped

burner799
11-08-2008, 02:55 PM
ya you should take him.

LavaSurfer
11-08-2008, 02:58 PM
With the mods in my sig i stay door to door with my buddy's e36 M3 with my B6....which is heavier. Since I'm only FWD he will pull almost a car on the launch but I will real him in up to 70, then we are even until I shut down around 110ish.

Although, the last time me and him ran I kept the go pedal on the floor between shifts from a 50ish kick and I actually slightly pulled him. He will pull me once I get into 5th and outside of the K03's RPM range.

slopoke
11-08-2008, 05:15 PM
yea makes sense e36 m3's trap 95-96mph right where a bolt-on chipped FWD k03 should be

b5andm3
11-08-2008, 05:21 PM
yea makes sense e36 m3's trap 95-96mph right where a bolt-on chipped FWD k03 should be

rofl no. Try 99-101 for stock e36 m3

slopoke
11-08-2008, 05:23 PM
http://www.bimmerwerkz.com/forum/3-series-e36/1995-m3-nitrous-1-4-mile-60236.html

LavaSurfer
11-08-2008, 05:23 PM
well whatever they trap i run door to door with one.

Forgot to mention it has an intake and power pulleys also....

D's Avant
11-08-2008, 05:24 PM
My wife dusts me in her E46 330i off the line with my current mods and mellow on the clutch launch. She thinks its funny, BT time.

slopoke
11-08-2008, 05:30 PM
14.6 @95
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qyNJxFSMSU

slopoke
11-08-2008, 05:31 PM
My wife dusts me in her E46 330i off the line with my current mods and mellow on the clutch launch. She thinks its funny, BT time.

yea 3.0 > 1.8t[:p]

maxspeed
11-08-2008, 06:52 PM
My wife dusts me in her E46 330i off the line with my current mods and mellow on the clutch launch. She thinks its funny, BT time.

or you could ditch the weaksauce apr tune and drive the car like a man...

Militant-Grunt
11-08-2008, 07:14 PM
yea 3.0 > 1.8t[:p]

I dust my friend 330ci 5sp with out any issues. Best of all he has bolts-ons on his car. GruppeM intake and UUC exhaust.

I took out a A5 3.2 last night as well, the driver of the A5 was bewildered =).

All I have is some cheap pep boys cone my friend gave me, a 3" turbo back, silicone intake pipe and a custom SSP tune w/ mbc @ 21psi.

slopoke
11-08-2008, 07:41 PM
ssp?

TheQuattro
11-08-2008, 08:15 PM
Thanx thats what figured..Now I have to find a him a A4 to race. BTW i totaled the audi and i miss it dearly.. I now have a SRT-4 and I rarely lose to anycar i encounter its getting boring and i miss AWD dealer. New STI maybe :)???

milehighpilot
11-08-2008, 08:47 PM
im down in that area every now and ill race.. where in broward?

Militant-Grunt
11-08-2008, 09:29 PM
ssp?

Yep, S4 guys are very familiar with us, we're just starting doing custom tunes on 1.8t's. My car being the test bed.

burner799
11-09-2008, 12:53 AM
yea 3.0 > 1.8t[:p]

weird, i did several runs off the line with an e350 and I would pull on him up to 80 and then he'd start to catch up.

Oranoco
11-09-2008, 01:24 AM
325's are a breeze, they only work out at about 130bhp per ton

D's Avant
11-09-2008, 05:05 AM
or you could ditch the weaksauce apr tune and drive the car like a man...

Thanks for the info, I never thought of that.

I could do a 4K+ dump clutch launch too and I would win I'm sure. In a typical street launch with minimal clutch slipping an E46 330i is a hard car to beat.

bob12312357
11-09-2008, 07:23 AM
I don't get how you guys beat cars with 10% less drive train loss,20-50 more hp, that are 200-600lbs lighter. My chipped Audi will be neck and neck with an Escalade from a 5mph roll. Something doesn't add up in these stories, or the other driver didn't know it was a race...

kingtr
11-09-2008, 01:26 PM
I don't get how you guys beat cars with 10% less drive train loss,20-50 more hp, that are 200-600lbs lighter. My chipped Audi will be neck and neck with an Escalade from a 5mph roll. Something doesn't add up in these stories, or the other driver didn't know it was a race...

Are we talking about same thing? Yes slightly higher drive train loss, but the BMW is 184-225hp, chipped 1.8t should be 200-210 (or higher if 01' w X chip). So the chipped 1.8t should have 15+ hp on the 325, or -15 on the 330.

Which 3 series are 200-600 lbs lighter? 325i is 3250lbs, 330i is 3350lbs (both manual trannys), 1.8t is 3250-3400lbs (quattro manual) depending on model year. I see a max 200 lbs difference.

And you should slowly pull away from an escalade, well depending on the year, a brand new one has almost identical power/weight ratio as chipped A4, so yeah you would remain neck and neck. First gen should easily pull away from, second gen should still pull away from, unless its optioned w/ the 6.0l engine which would probably keep up with you.

TheQuattro
11-09-2008, 02:54 PM
im down in that area every now and ill race.. where in broward?

Around the davie/cooper city area. But we go out to 27. And i would love for you take on this BMW which im sure u would womp on..Guy is a BIG shit talker with the slowest car in the group..he needs to be put in his place.

You are pmed

europshhrc279
11-09-2008, 04:32 PM
id be down but i dont know if i would count. Im fwd...and KO4. but only boost 15 psi on a stage one unitronics file..still waiting to get my 380cc injectors and do the stage 2 upgrade.

b5andm3
11-09-2008, 07:10 PM
Listen I don't mean to crush your hopes and dreams but a stock e36 m3 driven by anyone with half a brain will trap ATLEAST 99mph. The auto e36 m3s trap 95-96 stock...

My intake/exhaust e36 328 used to trap 98mph before I sold it. I've never lost to a 1.8t that was running on an audi/vw turbo (ko3/ko4). The cars just ain't that fast. Enjoy it for what it is. I know I can't wait til it snows...

slopoke
11-09-2008, 08:19 PM
id be down but i dont know if i would count. Im fwd...and KO4. but only boost 15 psi on a stage one unitronics file..still waiting to get my 380cc injectors and do the stage 2 upgrade.

Bmw doesnt have to know its k04 they look stock[:D]

slopoke
11-09-2008, 08:19 PM
Listen I don't mean to crush your hopes and dreams but a stock e36 m3 driven by anyone with half a brain will trap ATLEAST 99mph. The auto e36 m3s trap 95-96 stock...

My intake/exhaust e36 328 used to trap 98mph before I sold it. I've never lost to a 1.8t that was running on an audi/vw turbo (ko3/ko4). The cars just ain't that fast. Enjoy it for what it is. I know I can't wait til it snows...

Yea except this is a 325!

SFexBOY
11-09-2008, 08:51 PM
my old '90 325i felt faster than my chipped 1.8TQ which dyno'd @ 175whp/190wtq @ AWE. Not sure how an E36 325i would fair up, but my E30 was light and torquey.


I loved it so much, I put a deposit on Friday for this baby......restored '89 325iX (AWD). [:D] Couldn't help but get back into one.

http://i38.tinypic.com/345y5uw.jpg

TheQuattro
11-09-2008, 11:26 PM
id be down but i dont know if i would count. Im fwd...and KO4. but only boost 15 psi on a stage one unitronics file..still waiting to get my 380cc injectors and do the stage 2 upgrade.

380cc are they pink? becuase the srt in 2003 came with 380cc and i heard they link up to audi for some reason. Anywho people give em away for like 30 bucks. But if you do come out the 27 ..get at me mann (nine five four) 864 0038 . Yes the ko4 is between me an you...you are chipped for all they know thats it.. Your my ringer! hahaha

europshhrc279
11-10-2008, 06:15 AM
haha cool ill KIT if im not busy one of these days.

kovalevandrew
11-10-2008, 06:31 AM
M3's are no push over... My non-stock 1.8T gets a slapping from my stock M3 SMG II.

pipe7284
11-10-2008, 07:54 AM
I will be down there for thanksgiving. I can race him with my girls GTRS A4 FWD with a bad clutch!!!!!!!! pm me if interested.

TheQuattro
11-10-2008, 12:32 PM
Thanx man...I apperciate it...but he doesnt need and ass whooping lol.. just a lesson to not run his mouth. We got alot of cars down here in SFL lmk what you want to run. I can arrange it.

To the other dude talkin about m3s I whomped on a 2005 SMG II M3 two nights ago buy at least 4+ cars to 40-130...I had 2 passengers. M3's are so 5 years ago...lol if any bmw it would be a 335i that is a real sleeper. We got MANY of them Chipped and they are 350hp cars.

The M cars are never to be used in the same sentence as any other Regular series car they just do not compare.Apples and oranges. 325is is a consumer car like our b5 a4 but nowhere near the tuning and moddin potential as A4 has.

kovalevandrew
11-10-2008, 12:42 PM
Thanx man...I apperciate it...but he doesnt need and ass whooping lol.. just a lesson to not run his mouth. We got alot of cars down here in SFL lmk what you want to run. I can arrange it.

To the other dude talkin about m3s I whomped on a 2005 SMG II M3 two nights ago buy at least 4+ cars to 40-130...I had 2 passengers. M3's are so 5 years ago...lol if any bmw it would be a 335i that is a real sleeper. We got MANY of them Chipped and they are 350hp cars.

The M cars are never to be used in the same sentence as any other Regular series car they just do not compare.Apples and oranges. 325is is a consumer car like our b5 a4 but nowhere near the tuning and moddin potential as A4 has.

Beating the M3 isn't difficult. I had some bastard in a Golf 4 GTI hand me a slapping not so long ago, you can imagine the look on my face. [o_o] [eek] [headbang]

b5andm3
11-10-2008, 02:19 PM
Thanx man...I apperciate it...but he doesnt need and ass whooping lol.. just a lesson to not run his mouth. We got alot of cars down here in SFL lmk what you want to run. I can arrange it.

To the other dude talkin about m3s I whomped on a 2005 SMG II M3 two nights ago buy at least 4+ cars to 40-130...I had 2 passengers. M3's are so 5 years ago...lol if any bmw it would be a 335i that is a real sleeper. We got MANY of them Chipped and they are 350hp cars.

The M cars are never to be used in the same sentence as any other Regular series car they just do not compare.Apples and oranges. 325is is a consumer car like our b5 a4 but nowhere near the tuning and moddin potential as A4 has.

In what car with what mods? My E36 will take an E46 as well.

D's Avant
11-10-2008, 04:09 PM
my old '90 325i felt faster than my chipped 1.8TQ which dyno'd @ 175whp/190wtq @ AWE. Not sure how an E36 325i would fair up, but my E30 was light and torquey.


I loved it so much, I put a deposit on Friday for this baby......restored '89 325iX (AWD). [:D] Couldn't help but get back into one.

http://i38.tinypic.com/345y5uw.jpg

Looks good, my wife and I still miss our 1991 E30 318is. It was her car that I destroyed. AWESOME find and a great car and color combo too. Looks like grey/black metalic to me.

SFexBOY
11-10-2008, 04:59 PM
Looks good, my wife and I still miss our 1991 E30 318is. It was her car that I destroyed. AWESOME find and a great car and color combo too. Looks like grey/black metalic to me.

thanks man. Yea actually before purchasing my A4 back in 2002, I was supposed to buy an identical iX...but my neighbor sold it before I had a chance to pick it up. It was mint.

This was my 90 325i that I sold a couple months ago to an AZ member.

http://i34.tinypic.com/oi4qbn.jpg

TheQuattro
11-10-2008, 08:16 PM
In what car with what mods? My E36 will take an E46 as well.

Srt-4 stock turbo boltons plus a very nice tune i make 285/326 with a stock clutch and about 1500 bux in mods..dont want to sound cocky but unless your bmw is turbo..no chance [:D] . I put 4-5 cars on him by 130 and i wasnt brake boostin or powershifting.

Mods
AEM intake which does nothing but add cool sound.
BFMIC with hardpipes
Wastegate
3in exhuast
and tuned with SAFC Neo by a really known srt tuner in miayao!

I got race radiator but that does nothing but keepin the car cooler when im out spankin ass.

A vid black srt is mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34OByMXxRok
Best kill a big turbo subie he dynoed 340/320 and i got em ..brake boostin FTW!

bob12312357
11-11-2008, 06:14 AM
Srt-4 stock turbo boltons plus a very nice tune i make 285/326 with a stock clutch and about 1500 bux in mods..dont want to sound cocky but unless your bmw is turbo..no chance [:D] . I put 4-5 cars on him by 130 and i wasnt brake boostin or powershifting.

Mods
AEM intake which does nothing but add cool sound.
BFMIC with hardpipes
Wastegate
3in exhuast
and tuned with SAFC Neo by a really known srt tuner in miayao!

I got race radiator but that does nothing but keepin the car cooler when im out spankin ass.

A vid black srt is mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34OByMXxRok
Best kill a big turbo subie he dynoed 340/320 and i got em ..brake boostin FTW!
SRT-4's are a joke 60' onstreet tires. I got a vid I gotta find of my boy on foot out 60' footing em. At the end of the quarter mile the jokes over and the crying and excuse making of the other driver begins.[:D]

b6onboost
11-11-2008, 06:36 AM
same thing.


...but he doesnt need and ass whooping lol.. just a lesson to not run his mouth.

RaFa
11-11-2008, 12:46 PM
id be down but i dont know if i would count. Im fwd...and KO4. but only boost 15 psi on a stage one unitronics file..still waiting to get my 380cc injectors and do the stage 2 upgrade.

I'll back my ex-car =) for sure it can take it. [up]
if you need another one we'll line up my 04 also [:D]

TheQuattro
11-11-2008, 03:57 PM
It might spin alot but its 112 mph car on stock turbo. Name one FWD car that can do that on stock tires and stock turbo. I ran a 12.8 with slicks and constant 13.2's. 60's are usually 2.2-2.3 range on stock tires. Not bad for 1500 bucks..and if u ever been in one its no joke haha. But it does spin alot. the srt has so much torque a novice drvier will either spin it so hard or bog it both ways shitty times. Coming from AWD to FWD was really tough.

bob12312357
11-12-2008, 06:01 AM
It might spin alot but its 112 mph car on stock turbo. Name one FWD car that can do that on stock tires and stock turbo. I ran a 12.8 with slicks and constant 13.2's. 60's are usually 2.2-2.3 range on stock tires. Not bad for 1500 bucks..and if u ever been in one its no joke haha. But it does spin alot. the srt has so much torque a novice drvier will either spin it so hard or bog it both ways shitty times. Coming from AWD to FWD was really tough.
I coulda sworn I said what you said. No traction initially, horrendous 60' times, by the time the race is over the neon spanked the shit outta the unassuming Audi snob who is now crying and bitching that he still has a classier car, which counts for what in racing I don't know. They still lost.[headbang]

b5andm3
11-12-2008, 06:43 AM
Srt-4 stock turbo boltons plus a very nice tune i make 285/326 with a stock clutch and about 1500 bux in mods..dont want to sound cocky but unless your bmw is turbo..no chance [:D] . I put 4-5 cars on him by 130 and i wasnt brake boostin or powershifting.

Mods
AEM intake which does nothing but add cool sound.
BFMIC with hardpipes
Wastegate
3in exhuast
and tuned with SAFC Neo by a really known srt tuner in miayao!

I got race radiator but that does nothing but keepin the car cooler when im out spankin ass.

A vid black srt is mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34OByMXxRok
Best kill a big turbo subie he dynoed 340/320 and i got em ..brake boostin FTW!

Not turbo. Not yet. Full N/A boltons + 40% custom geared diff + ~450lbs weight reduction including 15lb ssr wheels and 8lb flywheel. I usually cut 1.8-1.9 at the track on street tires...