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docurley
07-15-2008, 04:24 AM
You guys need to check-out this beast in the build, it will be a 1000bhp monster once completed and yes it's a S4 and it will still have the S4 lump in her even though Quattro is now gone.

Link (http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=67182&postdays=0&postorder=asc)

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00183.jpg

Jibberific
07-15-2008, 04:45 AM
I don't know what to say other than this thing looks like it will be the fastest audi to ever touch pavement.

AudiA4_20T
07-15-2008, 04:52 AM
cool but too much IMO

docurley
07-15-2008, 04:59 AM
The intension was to keep it all Audi Quattro but it was clear that the drive train would not be able to handle what he had in mind so he went with all or nothing dumping the drive train and have the chassis rebuilt and drive train to what you see now.

In most cases a lot of you will say it's not an Audi anymore which is not for me to say but his engine sure is and I'm sure some of you guys would find interesting, just take the heads he is using 2.4 30v heads for better flow.

lrg8683
07-15-2008, 05:08 AM
gross.

AudiA4_20T
07-15-2008, 05:23 AM
The intension was to keep it all Audi Quattro but it was clear that the drive train would not be able to handle what he had in mind so he went with all or nothing dumping the drive train and have the chassis rebuilt and drive train to what you see now.

In most cases a lot of you will say it's not an Audi anymore which is not for me to say but his engine sure is and I'm sure some of you guys would find interesting, just take the heads he is using 2.4 30v heads for better flow.

the audi drivetrain holds up 900hp for Ozz in Poland

docurley
07-15-2008, 05:34 AM
Well with this setup one wont have to worry if 1000bhp will brake it.

Jung
07-15-2008, 05:42 AM
that filler door really weighs a LOT, no wonder it's gone.. could've left it on for aesthetic purposes. so this is a purpose drag car... it'd be nice if it was a street car though

docurley
07-15-2008, 06:55 AM
I'm sure he will put it back on but yes its for the track alone now.

J-tec
07-15-2008, 07:29 AM
friggin nuts, cant wait to see the videos

2ndEngineS4
07-15-2008, 07:30 AM
That concept just seems slightly retarded (a full out audi dragster) but cool nonetheless.

RED1.8T
07-15-2008, 07:31 AM
that is AWESOME

So_NAudi
07-15-2008, 08:04 AM
Im a "try to stay as stock as possible" kinda guy so the look is Blah IMO. But the concept is badass... Keep it rollin!

Lazer Viking
07-15-2008, 08:41 AM
i cant help but love this
.. something about those big fatty's squeezed into the fenders

The_Jerbel
07-15-2008, 09:15 AM
I don't know what to say other than this thing looks like it will be the fastest audi to ever touch pavement.

And the ugliest....

The_Jerbel
07-15-2008, 09:15 AM
the audi drivetrain holds up 900hp for Ozz in Poland

Actually, with his shot of N2O, he is hitting 1200bhp...

Auburnsky1287
07-15-2008, 12:09 PM
Is that Frimmel's car!?

Siena
07-15-2008, 12:30 PM
And the ugliest....

Lol, beauty doesn't win races.

Practicality does, and this car WILL be a winner. [up]

1997gtx
07-15-2008, 12:36 PM
Wouldn't it have made more sense to buy a shell of a drag car and drop an Audi motor in it?
--Adam

AudiA4_20T
07-15-2008, 12:50 PM
Actually, with his shot of N2O, he is hitting 1200bhp...

yep... and it still looks decent

Siena
07-15-2008, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it have made more sense to buy a shell of a drag car and drop an Audi motor in it?
--Adam

What makes sense is relative, I guess.

In his case, he decided to use a B5 S4 shell, because he could.

It makes less sense to spend money buying a shell, when a perfectly good one's already available.

RenegadeEngr
07-15-2008, 01:06 PM
What did you do to that car? We can't call it a sleeper anymore! Looks interesting, looking forward to the video and pics of the engine...

1997gtx
07-15-2008, 01:23 PM
What makes sense is relative, I guess.

In his case, he decided to use a B5 S4 shell, because he could.

It makes less sense to spend money buying a shell, when a perfectly good one's already available.

Sorry, what I meant was a shell of a car already with a roll cage, with a RWD transmission ready-to-go.
--Adam

Siena
07-15-2008, 01:26 PM
Adam, I guess that's possible.

But, probably more fun to build your own.
I'd imagine he'll get a lot of satisfaction, knowing it was all his work.

NYCVR6
07-15-2008, 01:28 PM
Shit is hot!

1997gtx
07-15-2008, 01:31 PM
Adam, I guess that's possible.

But, probably more fun to build your own.
I'd imagine he'll get a lot of satisfaction, knowing it was all his work.

Oh -- totally agree! I'm sure it's infinitely more fun to do the entire build with your own car, etc... I guess if someone was trying to build a 1k hp S4 on a budget, there are cheaper ways [:D]
--Adam

revhards4
07-15-2008, 02:11 PM
friggin AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait to see this BIG single turbo placement...simply evil[evilmad]

W1CK3D
07-15-2008, 02:33 PM
My jaw dropped when I first saw that pic.

Ugly but damn that thing is gonna be a beast. Big props man, GL with the build

mike-2ptzero
07-15-2008, 02:39 PM
suprised it has taken this long for pics of this car to be posted on AZ. Was sent pics of it a few months ago. Only thing more jaw dropping then the way it looks is the amount of money spent on it and it isn't even close to being done. My guess the total cost of it by the time he is done will be over $200k, but building a 7 car is never cheap.

Dr.Duct
07-15-2008, 05:30 PM
This is FUCKING awesome.. lol

Ive always said for this car to go big it was going to have to have serious drive train modification's. I see this car doing big things! please keep us posted.

JaredVL
07-15-2008, 05:48 PM
suprised it has taken this long for pics of this car to be posted on AZ. Was sent pics of it a few months ago. Only thing more jaw dropping then the way it looks is the amount of money spent on it and it isn't even close to being done. My guess the total cost of it by the time he is done will be over $200k, but building a 7 car is never cheap.
Gotta disagree, fox body + $10-20k depending on who you know and you can do it

heck 30-40k if you are a fool

but then you are driving a fox body

GramCracker
07-15-2008, 06:09 PM
IMO its not really an S4 anymore.

S-Power
07-15-2008, 06:30 PM
After your done with this one, Make a street version of this with a 1000bhp, damn, now that would be probably the sickest shit ever

Reich
07-15-2008, 07:13 PM
Don't like the look at all. But will def be a rocket. Does any one know how this wheelbarrow weight?

ToMMyRsK04
07-15-2008, 07:33 PM
Yeah, I really dont consider that being an s4 either .. especially now with no AWD

3point0
07-15-2008, 07:53 PM
Shit is so ugly... may as well by a Bugatti. It would be prettier, and probably cheaper, too.

The_Jerbel
07-15-2008, 07:59 PM
Lol, beauty doesn't win races.

Practicality does, and this car WILL be a winner. [up]

If that's the case, then I would have used an even lighter car, the Audi coupe's body, and done the same thing...

lil' is 300
07-15-2008, 08:09 PM
Insanely evil. [evilsmile]

However, I agree with the majority in that it's not really an S4 anymore. Tubb'd and RWD -- might as well just throw in blown 555.

Chknkatsu
07-15-2008, 08:54 PM
I can't say it's not an s4 anymore, but I won't say it is. we'll see what happens. I can't wait. more pics please?

oh

is this car still going to be left hand drive? (or w/e side is was originally on)

or are they gonna completely switch it to center???

Siena
07-15-2008, 10:15 PM
I can't say it's not an s4 anymore, but I won't say it is. we'll see what happens. I can't wait. more pics please?

oh

is this car still going to be left hand drive? (or w/e side is was originally on)

or are they gonna completely switch it to center???

It's going to retain the original RHD layout.

Siena
07-15-2008, 10:17 PM
If that's the case, then I would have used an even lighter car, the Audi coupe's body, and done the same thing...

The B3 / B4 shell will require a lot more stiffening, so won't really be lighter.
It's also very old now.

Besides, the weight has to be a balance - this car's going to be running 1,000PS. Too light, and traction becomes more of an issue, even with those big, sticky tyres.

revhards4
07-16-2008, 02:19 AM
let me get this straight...a tubbed out s4 is no longer an s4 in your eyes...so is a tubbed out mustang not a mustang anymore either? Jeez...this is race car crap here not some lame stage 3 car that's gutted with no cage and no dashboard, everyone seems to like that ugly thing for some reason[confused]

AMC
07-16-2008, 05:53 AM
wow how is it ugly??????i hate it when you guys open your mouth and complain about everything saying y this y that, i know its ur opinion but you can at least give us a example on y u think that instead of comeing out disrespectful

any way this car is going to be sick i fuckin love it! keep us updated[hail][race][drive]

wreckedimolas4
07-16-2008, 06:05 AM
pro outlaw s4 ftw

Maverick
07-16-2008, 06:28 AM
don't like the look but love the power!

Siena
07-16-2008, 09:27 AM
A car with that potential isn't about looks.

Besides, wait till it's completed, inside and out, then we'll talk again...

billyblooshoes
07-16-2008, 10:52 AM
i dont understand why people are complaining about how it looks. looks prob arent even on the list of things to take into consideration with this project.

tike0rz
07-16-2008, 10:59 AM
Found this, x-post:

http://www.rs246.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=67182&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45&sid=e76490876c412499cc7c5a1afd8b7c97

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00125.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00159.jpg

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 12:26 PM
Its an audi shaped custom race car.

big deal.

Siena
07-16-2008, 12:30 PM
Its an audi shaped custom race car.

big deal.

Lol, I take it you could carry out such a project with your hands tied behind your back? If you'd done the same, it would be cool, but someone else does, it's cr4p.

A true car enthusiast would see the potential, and appreciate the amout of work that's gone into it.

ToMMyRsK04
07-16-2008, 03:41 PM
hmm .. and how exactly are they getting 1000bhp out of it ?? still an s4 motor or something else ?

generationjdm
07-16-2008, 04:19 PM
It's funny how some people cant appreciate the work and dedication thats goes into a project like that..

I recall a little blue car that almost looks like the inside of this car minus the tubed section and cage and 1 seat, everyone said that was an s4 lol...

If your going to build a street car then make it a real street car not a gutted rattle trap, if your going to build a race car then it should start to look like the one in the pic... At least there going in the right direction...

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 04:19 PM
Its a tubbed out tube framed shell. I dont build race cars for a living. I dont care to. However calling this a 1000hp "audi" is comical.

It would be like me putting on a leather jacket and calling myself the worlds smartest cow.

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 04:22 PM
If your going to build a street car then make it a real street car not a gutted rattle trap, if your going to build a race car then it should start to look like the one in the pic... At least there going in the right direction...


I agree its a race car. But there are lots of race cars. This thing stopped being an S4 a long time ago.


I just hope all the 16year old idiots here don't whip out pictures of this thing every time somebody trolls their forums as an example of "this fast S4 I know that would WHIP your cars ass"....

generationjdm
07-16-2008, 04:26 PM
I doubt there shooting for the luxury and title of the S4 haha

AMC
07-16-2008, 04:26 PM
Its a tubbed out tube framed shell. I dont build race cars for a living. I dont care to. However calling this a 1000hp "audi" is comical.

It would be like me putting on a leather jacket and calling myself the worlds smartest cow.

your stupid, alot if not all the worlds fastest cars are all modified to all aftermarket stuff, its an audi will have the s4 block, and body its just a rwd who gives a fuck if it surpasses the 9 second lead it will be the worlds fastest AUDI S4! damn never seen so much hate for our own type of car

AudiA4_20T
07-16-2008, 04:27 PM
hmm .. and how exactly are they getting 1000bhp out of it ?? still an s4 motor or something else ?

S4 motor with 2.4 heads

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 04:35 PM
your stupid, alot if not all the worlds fastest cars are all modified to all aftermarket stuff, its an audi will have the s4 block, and body its just a rwd who gives a fuck if it surpasses the 9 second lead it will be the worlds fastest AUDI S4! damn never seen so much hate for our own type of car

You are seeing hate where there is none. Its a respectable project indeed. Im only pointing out that is not exactly correct to call it "the worlds fastest S4" when its full blown custom race chassis that happens to have an audi motor in it.

Although exactly what point where you cross from "extensively modified", to "not even close to being the same car anymore" is admittedly hazy. But i dont think this car is even in doubt.

generationjdm
07-16-2008, 05:20 PM
It's still and Audi no matter what bottom line, if this car isn't an Audi neither is you know who's stripped blue car or all the other stripped S4ss... It's all relative meaning obvious you can't compare this to a stage 3 car, but you can compare it to a tubbed mustang etc...

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 05:26 PM
It's still and Audi no matter what bottom line, if this car isn't an Audi neither is you know who's stripped blue car... It's all relative meaning obvious you can't compare this to a stage 3 car, but you can compare it to a tubbed mustang etc...

I guess its a matter of opinion then.

NastyNogaro
07-16-2008, 05:33 PM
I love how this thread turns into an "it's still an audi" vs. "it's not an audi anymore because it's tubed and RWD" battle.

audizine is teh silly [:p]

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 05:40 PM
Its very hard to find much Audi left in a car like that. We have a motor, and a shell. And little else by the looks of it.

NastyNogaro
07-16-2008, 05:43 PM
so what do you label a car like this? Is it, "A German Made Drag Car That Was Once an Audi?" Or how about, "Lanolin, Like Sheep's Wool."

Bottom line, who the fuck cares? Cool project, can't wait to see the build complete, whether it's still an audi or not. I wouldn't see that car going down the track and say, whoa, that's a sweet "Drag Car That Started Its Life As An S4 But Now is Not Because It is RWD and Tubed."

Get over it.

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 05:45 PM
Its a custom drag car. I dont see the point of calling it an S4. But if it gives you a nice stiffy to think of it an an S4 then by all means.

beans912
07-16-2008, 05:49 PM
This finally proves it, Nogaro's are the fastest. [:D]

NastyNogaro
07-16-2008, 05:57 PM
Its a custom drag car. I dont see the point of calling it an S4. But if it gives you a nice stiffy to think of it an an S4 then by all means.

My apologies, I don't know what you've heard but I don't get erections from looking at automobiles. Cheers if that's your bag, though. [rolleyes]

ToMMyRsK04
07-16-2008, 06:43 PM
It's funny how some people cant appreciate the work and dedication thats goes into a project like that..

I recall a little blue car that almost looks like the inside of this car minus the tubed section and cage and 1 seat, everyone said that was an s4 lol...

If your going to build a street car then make it a real street car not a gutted rattle trap, if your going to build a race car then it should start to look like the one in the pic... At least there going in the right direction...


Yeah, but that gutted car has an s4 motor in it and at one point a stage 3 .. if your going to take a car and throw another motor into it then I dont consider it whatever the car was .. like if someone was going to throw a VR into an s4 .. Me, personally .. I wouldnt consider it an s4 anymore just because the motor isnt an s4 motor

ToMMyRsK04
07-16-2008, 06:48 PM
S4 motor with 2.4 heads

turbos ?

generationjdm
07-16-2008, 06:50 PM
If someone pulled 50% of the car apart i wouldn't consider it a car for the street or a real everyday s4 either.. I think there using the s4 engine... So then i guess if you put 2.8 heads on the s4 motor it's not a real s4 either or if you mount the turbos up top and delete some components... It's a race car built on the platform of the s4

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 07:02 PM
I think i can agree with ya there.

BastardS4
07-16-2008, 07:03 PM
My apologies, I don't know what you've heard but I don't get erections from looking at automobiles. Cheers if that's your bag, though. [rolleyes]


No but i looooove detailed mod lists of 13 second cars though.


And roof spoilers.

lol

tike0rz
07-16-2008, 07:10 PM
This finally proves it, Nogaro's are the fastest. [:D]

We all knew that from the beginning!!

ToMMyRsK04
07-16-2008, 07:14 PM
So I guess none of us have S4s' then because 95% of us have some type of aftermarket upgrade to our cars .. from 2.8 heads to GT XX's

generationjdm
07-16-2008, 07:23 PM
So I guess none of us have S4s' then because 95% of us have some type of aftermarket upgrade to our cars .. from 2.8 heads to GT XX'sThat was my point, if this car isn't an S4 because it's highly modded then i guess we all have something other then a S4 haha... His S4 will represent audi on the track with all the other eqaully modded cars and not on the street, so lets just call it the s4 race car

NastyNogaro
07-16-2008, 07:28 PM
No but i looooove detailed mod lists of 13 second cars though.


And roof spoilers.

lol

[=(] I just like to let everyone know what I have so they can run 13's too! Who wants to run 10's anyway? I mean, if I'm running 13's I still have an S4 right? But as soon as you make these cars into monsters they're not S4's anymore, so that's the main reason.

The roof spoiler is yours for $150 shipped. PM me! These are rare in Canada!

Reich
07-16-2008, 07:35 PM
That was my point, if this car isn't an S4 because it's highly modded then i guess we all have something other then a S4 haha... His S4 will represent audi on the track with all the other eqaully modded cars and not on the street, so lets just call it the s4 race car

That's beter. Agree with that.

F16HTON
07-16-2008, 09:01 PM
I actually like the direction this car is going...

This comes from my own personal experience of car ownership, I have been into VW's all of my life, but graduated Audi because of the quattro drivetrain and all of the FWD VW traction issues.

My good friend, David Sarabi's S4 makes about 850-900BHP (daily driven) and if he were to drag race it (he could not care less though) it only runs mid tens (full weight) because of traction limitations.

Since the threshold for traction in a S4 is about 850BHP, if you want to make more power and drag race it exclusively tube framing and back halfling mae perfect sense for both speed and safety.

To say this is not a S4 is pretty silly though...as much as Audi loves the Quattro drivetrain, they do not and have not used it in DTM racing for well over 10 years...

Yes, Audi Motorsports uses RWD transmissions in their DTM cars, the reason they do this is that the Quattro drivetrain is not and was never intended for high power motorsports, the cars are far too front heavy and have a shitload of understeer...to even make the S4 competitive you have to lower the shit out of it, beat the hell out of the unibody with a sledgehammer (for tire clearance) and run shitloads of negative camber.

revhards4
07-16-2008, 10:58 PM
NEWS FLASH!!!!! NEWS FLASH!!!! THIS JUST IN!!!!!

Brent Rau's 7 second rwd eclipse that you hear about on speed vision and read about in turbo magazine IS really an eclipse[:D]

and this IS still an S4...an angry one at that[evilsmile]

Siena
07-16-2008, 11:23 PM
and this IS still an S4...an angry one at that[evilsmile]

I couldn't agree more! [:D]

Siena
07-16-2008, 11:24 PM
turbos ?

Just going to have 1.

A very large one too.

A4A4A4
07-16-2008, 11:31 PM
once an s4, always an s4!

lil' is 300
07-17-2008, 06:10 AM
To say this is not a S4 is pretty silly though...as much as Audi loves the Quattro drivetrain, they do not and have not used it in DTM racing for well over 10 years...

DTM rules don't allow for all-wheel drive.

NastyNogaro
07-17-2008, 08:49 AM
To say this is not a S4 is pretty silly though..

ALL I was trying to say.

ToMMyRsK04
07-17-2008, 04:20 PM
I actually like the direction this car is going...

This comes from my own personal experience of car ownership, I have been into VW's all of my life, but graduated Audi because of the quattro drivetrain and all of the FWD VW traction issues.

My good friend, David Sarabi's S4 makes about 850-900BHP (daily driven) and if he were to drag race it (he could not care less though) it only runs mid tens (full weight) because of traction limitations.

Since the threshold for traction in a S4 is about 850BHP, if you want to make more power and drag race it exclusively tube framing and back halfling mae perfect sense for both speed and safety.

To say this is not a S4 is pretty silly though...as much as Audi loves the Quattro drivetrain, they do not and have not used it in DTM racing for well over 10 years...

Yes, Audi Motorsports uses RWD transmissions in their DTM cars, the reason they do this is that the Quattro drivetrain is not and was never intended for high power motorsports, the cars are far too front heavy and have a shitload of understeer...to even make the S4 competitive you have to lower the shit out of it, beat the hell out of the unibody with a sledgehammer (for tire clearance) and run shitloads of negative camber.


Mid 10s ? Really ? And no one has ever heard about your friends car ? Any videos ?

F16HTON
07-17-2008, 08:42 PM
Mid 10s ? Really ? And no one has ever heard about your friends car ? Any videos ?

I am pretty sure that everyone has heard of it...

2001 S4
2.7L Built motor
ASP Twin GT28RS

660-700AWHP (depends on which dyno you are looking at) Video (http://www.eurotuner.com/videos/6201683/2007-eurotuner-grand-prix-eurocode-tuning-2001-audi-s4-video/index.html)

SourDieselS4
07-17-2008, 08:54 PM
thats a sweet drag car IMO. I would still call it an s4 too

Jayco88
07-17-2008, 09:43 PM
still looks like an s4 to me

CruzS4
07-18-2008, 12:05 AM
so what do you label a car like this?

Lanolin, like sheep's wool

sadpandas
07-18-2008, 12:25 AM
I call it 'Balls Deep'; 1000 horses. 1000. I respect the time, engineering, love and money being put into the 1st audi drag car i have every seen. Did you guys see the part in the thread about it having 1000bhp? 1000. I am so happy for you guys im smiling crazy right now.

Greg, thanks for the edumacation on the DTM series. I didn't know the drive train wouldn't/ couldn't take over 850bhp (i thought it would be less than that) nor did i know they didn't use the quattro in the circuit... I have learned some things today. YES! :)

P

AudiA4_20T
07-18-2008, 10:24 AM
I call it 'Balls Deep'; 1000 horses. 1000. I respect the time, engineering, love and money being put into the 1st audi drag car i have every seen. Did you guys see the part in the thread about it having 1000bhp? 1000. I am so happy for you guys im smiling crazy right now.

Greg, thanks for the edumacation on the DTM series. I didn't know the drive train wouldn't/ couldn't take over 850bhp (i thought it would be less than that) nor did i know they didn't use the quattro in the circuit... I have learned some things today. YES! :)

P

The drivetrain can take 900 hp, Ozz in Poland is running 1100hp on the stock drivetrain... Greg was saying that after 850hp traction becomes a problem. But ozz is running 9s so who knows

Naudilos
07-18-2008, 10:27 AM
Sick project! Hope to see vids of this S4 dragster soon.

stapo69
07-18-2008, 12:54 PM
Thank god it went from stage 3 to this, I bought loads of real cheap parts off him when he started the drag project! Everyone's a winner!

And yes. it's still quite obviously an S4 IMO!

sean1.8t
07-18-2008, 01:58 PM
My good friend, David Sarabi's S4 makes about 850-900BHP (daily driven) and if he were to drag race it (he could not care less though) it only runs mid tens (full weight) because of traction limitations.



ok, cool guy. your "good friend's" car runs mid tens because it ran on average street tires.

you think evo guys are running 9s and 8s on street tires?

put some drag radial's on that thing and well see what it does. or break an axle [:p]

ToMMyRsK04
07-19-2008, 12:37 AM
^^ anything going on with your car ??

JMTx86
07-19-2008, 11:58 AM
nice, best thing the forum has seen in a while

saucys4
07-19-2008, 01:15 PM
WoW. I don't know how some people cant respect a project like this. I cant believe a GT4088R wasn't big enough for his taste. I really want to see the specs on the engine mods.

GhostSquadGarage
07-19-2008, 01:34 PM
DRMKLLR should be his plates if he can even get them for that car anymore hahahahha

ladedruck
07-19-2008, 01:49 PM
DRMKLLR should be his plates if he can even get them for that car anymore hahahahha

that or "Ozzfest"

GhostSquadGarage
07-19-2008, 02:10 PM
^^^hahaha I like that one

sadpandas
07-19-2008, 06:47 PM
that or "Ozzfest"

that just mad me snort [:D]

sean1.8t
07-20-2008, 11:08 AM
^^ anything going on with your car ??

well i drive it everyday. and it puts a smile on my face everytime.

how about yours?

ToMMyRsK04
07-20-2008, 02:57 PM
well i drive it everyday. and it puts a smile on my face everytime.

how about yours?

the complete opposite

MAKK
07-20-2008, 06:43 PM
I agree that this is one of the best things I have seen on Audizine. I would love to make something like that, but couldn't cut up my daily driver like that... Tell him good luck with the build, I will keep my eye on that project for sure.

Oh, and it IS definitely an S4 still, to say anything else is ridiculous honestly. It has an S4 block and body. Lots of guys put different heads, axles, trannys, fuel pumps, etc. on their cars. So is the 68 GTX I am building not a 68 GTX anymore because I mini tubbed it, 4 linked it, replaced the front end with tubular coilover setup, new 426 Hemi, twin turbos... you get the point. Last time I looked at the VIN, it hadn't changed much, and I'm guessing his has not either[;)]

Siena
07-20-2008, 11:04 PM
Nice one, MAKK! [up]

SourDieselS4
07-22-2008, 03:54 PM
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00183.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00188.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00182.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00185.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00159.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00184.jpg

this thing is seriously bad ass. I cant wait to see it when its done

satans child
07-30-2008, 11:36 AM
well.....

first off thanks doc for posting this here.... and a big thanks siena for all the support...

well guys i allways did think there would be some good feed back and bad .. thats life..!!!

i am very pleased that i have most of the worlds support on the project and a big thanks to everyone here for there support and comments..

please feel free to ask me any questions, i will do my best to answer them ... but without giving to many secrets away....

cheers guys ... jack [up]

also a big thanks to javad and dan.....[;)]

SourDieselS4
07-30-2008, 11:40 AM
[hail][hail] Just keep us updated if its not too much trouble! [race]

audiwop
07-30-2008, 12:32 PM
This thing is all S4 baby, and to say its not is pointless. Just because its not a quattro, doesn't have interior and has a built motor using all sorts of shit, makes this not an Audi? Then I guess the same could be said for Audi's factory A4 DTM car that races in Europe. Because you know, that car is REAR wheel drive, has a built motor and no interior. So I guess that's not an Audi either. Bottom line, a project like this should make us all proud to see. It is totally out of the box thinking and anyone one of us would love to drive this thing on the track.... I give the guy credit for not falling in line like so many others on this planet.

Siena
07-30-2008, 12:42 PM
@ Jack: No worries. Glad to see she's coming along just great.

I'm really interested in the torque she'll have - a giant slice of British Beef! [cool]

BastardS4
07-30-2008, 01:14 PM
It is totally out of the box thinking and anyone one of us would love to drive this thing on the track.... I give the guy credit for not falling in line like so many others on this planet.


Its nice to see a classy car like an S4 being used as a SHELL to build a custom racecar with.

satans child
07-30-2008, 01:45 PM
Its a tubbed out tube framed shell. I dont build race cars for a living. I dont care to. However calling this a 1000hp "audi" is comical.

It would be like me putting on a leather jacket and calling myself the worlds smartest cow.

well.... bastard s4, to answer a few of the points that you obviously know sweet f*ck all about...

1st of all if you would like to check how you register an offical world record for what in your country you call "sports compact" the car must maintain the original shell, 15% of the original firewall and must maintain an engine from the same manufacturer...... thus this will be the fastest AUDI s4 in the world...[:p] sorry ..lol

it's also not a full blown custom race chassis it is only a back halfed car... look at the pics [confused] ..

oh and could you answer us ..are you the guy in your midnight strawberry pickers video with the black leather jacket and specs hurling as many obscenities as you do on here..... obviously not the smartest cow in the world.... [rolleyes]

and i bet you wouldn't speak to people in person the way you do here either

in england you would soon cop a good slap.....

ps. no hard feelings

pps.
Its nice to see a classy car like an S4 being used as a SHELL to build a custom racecar with.

i didnt use it as a shell to build a custom race car it was going to be a stage 3 car but ... the transmission wont take the abuse to run consistantly and our goal is to be able to run consistant 7s not just a one off ....

audikid66
07-30-2008, 02:04 PM
[QUOTE=satans child;2751255]and i bet you wouldn't speak to people in person the way you do here either

in england you would soon cop a good slap.....


lmao owned

revhards4
07-30-2008, 02:30 PM
lol

GTIBONO
07-30-2008, 02:55 PM
you guys are HIlarious and i was just curious, im not sure if i skipped it reading this thread or not but whats the engine plan?

Das General
07-30-2008, 03:03 PM
i love english people.

"cop a slap" is my new favorite phrase.

BastardS4
07-30-2008, 03:22 PM
well.... bastard s4, to answer a few of the points that you obviously know sweet f*ck all about...

1st of all if you would like to check how you register an offical world record for what in your country you call "sports compact" the car must maintain the original shell, 15% of the original firewall and must maintain an engine from the same manufacturer...... thus this will be the fastest AUDI s4 in the world...[:p] sorry ..lol

it's also not a full blown custom race chassis it is only a back halfed car... look at the pics [confused] ..

oh and could you answer us ..are you the guy in your midnight strawberry pickers video with the black leather jacket and specs hurling as many obscenities as you do on here..... obviously not the smartest cow in the world.... [rolleyes]

and i bet you wouldn't speak to people in person the way you do here either

in england you would soon cop a good slap.....

ps. no hard feelings

pps.

i didnt use it as a shell to build a custom race car it was going to be a stage 3 car but ... the transmission wont take the abuse to run consistantly and our goal is to be able to run consistant 7s not just a one off ....


Thats not me. And thats not an S4. Its nice though.


Ive shown those pics to quiet a few laymen around here. And not one of them agrees that this car is still an S4.

For some reason, people seem to think that this is an insult, believe me, it is not intended as such. This is purely a reaction to all the nuthanging retards that like to bask in the reflected glory of an incredible vehicle such as this with such douchbaggery as: "dude, this other S4 I know, runs SEVENS yo!, did I mention I also have an S4? "

Again. AWESOME car. Will you convince me and many others that its still basically an Audi S4? Nope. Good luck with it, i mean that sincerely.

ToMMyRsK04
07-30-2008, 03:44 PM
haa [:p]

ToMMyRsK04
07-30-2008, 03:50 PM
What kind of turbo(s) again ???

BastardS4
07-30-2008, 03:56 PM
Yeah some details of the engine buildup would be interesting as hell im sure.

Das General
07-30-2008, 03:57 PM
Thats not me. And thats not an S4. Its nice though.


Ive shown those pics to quiet a few laymen around here. And not one of them agrees that this car is still an S4.

For some reason, people seem to think that this is an insult, believe me, it is not intended as such. This is purely a reaction to all the nuthanging retards that like to bask in the reflected glory of an incredible vehicle such as this with such douchbaggery as: "dude, this other S4 I know, runs SEVENS yo!, did I mention I also have an S4? "

Again. AWESOME car. Will you convince me and many others that its still basically an Audi S4? Nope. Good luck with it, i mean that sincerely.

I don't get it. What do you have to have to qualify as a S4?

He has a chassis and an S4 motor...

BastardS4
07-30-2008, 04:08 PM
I don't get it. What do you have to have to qualify as a S4?

He has a chassis and an S4 motor...


And dale earnheart drives a monte carlo around the nascar track.

Das General
07-30-2008, 04:13 PM
that doesnt really relate, for multiple reasons. A. earnhardts motor isn't from a monte carlo, and B. the chassis and panels are not from a monte carlo.

this car has an s4 engine, and chassis/panels.

XSilverJ
07-30-2008, 04:14 PM
As far as I can see, it being an S4..

S4 motor, S4 body, S4 interior.. The only thing I don't see S4 about it is AWD --> RWD. Still an S4 to me, plenty of cars are done this way.. just wouldn't call it really a street car anymore. Just different preferences for what people call things like Street car:Drag Car

Das General
07-30-2008, 04:15 PM
As far as I can see, it being an S4..

S4 motor, S4 body, S4 interior.. The only thing I don't see S4 about it is AWD --> RWD. Still an S4 to me, plenty of cars are done this way.. just wouldn't call it really a street car anymore. Just different preferences for what people call things like Street car:Drag Car

completely agree.

mike-2ptzero
07-30-2008, 04:32 PM
As far as I can see, it being an S4..

S4 motor, S4 body, S4 interior.. The only thing I don't see S4 about it is AWD --> RWD. Still an S4 to me, plenty of cars are done this way.. just wouldn't call it really a street car anymore. Just different preferences for what people call things like Street car:Drag Car

S4 interior? When did the S4 come with a tube frame and full cage?

Can you please point out the S4 interior.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00159.jpg


The only thing left that is S4 is the outer shell and engine.

satans child
07-30-2008, 05:08 PM
Thats not me. And thats not an S4. Its nice though.


Ive shown those pics to quiet a few laymen around here. And not one of them agrees that this car is still an S4.

For some reason, people seem to think that this is an insult, believe me, it is not intended as such. This is purely a reaction to all the nuthanging retards that like to bask in the reflected glory of an incredible vehicle such as this with such douchbaggery as: "dude, this other S4 I know, runs SEVENS yo!, did I mention I also have an S4? "

Again. AWESOME car. Will you convince me and many others that its still basically an Audi S4? Nope. Good luck with it, i mean that sincerely.

i totally agree with you if you put it like that ... im not looking to pick fights over my car, but you have to first think.... WHY!!! .. this was my pride and joy.

in 2003 this car was running ............... wait for it...... 12.222 and consistant 12 after 12s.... WOW you all say....


on k03's..... and yes i still have the time slips from santa pod raceway here in the uk... i still dont know anyone that pulls 1.5 60ft times even with ko4 hybrids.. yes i run nitrous but who doesn't...lol

arek or ozz as you guys call him, s4 killer in poland was my inspiration to do this in the first place..

2005 at king's of euroupe arek ran his first 9sec ... the guy is my hero...

but lets be honest i want a car that i can run time after time ... i have one ..
i didn't want to have to keep replacing gearbox after box, half shafts,ect

i have a tripple plate clutch sat here to fit in a standard box its a gem.. cost me $2400... clutch dont slip ... gearboxes do.break tho......[:(] so now it's an expensive ornament..

its 1.30 am here i have to be at work in 5 hours, and this is a very long story so i will tell you the pro's and con's of the last 3 years...another time.

all i can say is that if you google the fastest skyline, toyota supra, celica ect ... they are all pro modified drag cars genuine parts are no good for the abuse to run sub 9's take a look at your us guys titan motorsport...

i promise you all if i could have kept this thing in one peice for more than 3 runs with 1000hp i would have kept the awd.......[;)]

this was very hard for me to accept too, 3 years ago i would have said the same ..

ill post you all some more pics of engine goodies tomorrow ...

BastardS4
07-30-2008, 05:15 PM
Its definitly a nutso project. Are you going to be able to drive it on the street at all or will it strictly be trailored in?

Id love to pull up to a street race in something like that.

sean1.8t
07-30-2008, 06:03 PM
"dude, this other S4 I know, runs SEVENS yo!, did I mention I also have an S4? "



your logic fails.

when does it end?

Ozz's S runs 9s. Eurocodes runs 10's. and they have TONs of custom parts into their cars?

so are those S4's too?

ToMMyRsK04
07-30-2008, 06:18 PM
I doubt it'll see the streets

XSilverJ
07-30-2008, 06:41 PM
S4 interior? When did the S4 come with a tube frame and full cage?

Can you please point out the S4 interior.

You're right I read wrong.. but who knows what the interior will even be.. it's still being built. I for one would like to see the most interior as possible used and hopefully all stock body panels.. unless this will be a strict drag car, strip and carbon fiber away.

generationjdm
07-30-2008, 07:54 PM
I really am shocked at the ignorance I'm hearing... Where does he say it's a street car, I think the photos pretty much explain what the car will be used for.

The stupidest thing I can think of in this thread is when people say "its not an S4 anymore" lets be real the S4 isn't any thing special OK!

It's not like he tubed a super B hemi, it's a common nothing special 8k dollar car... Good job and the work looks awesome!!!!

Don't listen to the ones that can't comprehend what your doing as they will never no the time and dedication to build a car to the point your at..

BastardS4
07-30-2008, 08:14 PM
Can you please point out the S4 interior.
.




Thats easy, its over there, on that shelf! ;)

BastardS4
07-30-2008, 08:16 PM
when does it end?



so are those S4's too?


Well thats the tricky part. I dont claim to know where exactly the line can be drawn. Is my car still an S4? I mean, the suspension, fueling, turbos, driveline, all have been significantly modded....

I dont claim to have all the answers. Only opinions.

Big Boost
07-30-2008, 08:23 PM
This could go on and on. It is a difference of opinion if this car is a S4 or not. I believe it is because when a race car is built, it is done so based on certain aspects of originality. The key word is certain, not to be mistaken as entirely. It has the original body, engine and soul of a S4, but it is now a specific 1/4 mile vehicle converted to RWD. To me, it is one of the baddest ass projects I've seen in a long time. Maybe if you make a fiberglass copy of the dash and use blue alcantara inserts on the race seat, it might appease those who don't think it's a S4.

Great job Satan's Child. You should check your scalp for a few numbers...........

mike-2ptzero
07-30-2008, 09:38 PM
your logic fails.

when does it end?

Ozz's S runs 9s. Eurocodes runs 10's. and they have TONs of custom parts into their cars?

so are those S4's too?

Eurocode car doesn't have anything "custom" in it when it ran 10.8. That was on nothing but boost and on all season street tires spining the hell out of in 1st gear.





on k03's..... and yes i still have the time slips from santa pod raceway here in the uk... i still dont know anyone that pulls 1.5 60ft times even with ko4 hybrids.. yes i run nitrous but who doesn't...lol



IIRC there are a few that have pulled 1.5's on drag radials and NO nitrous, I mean even I have done about 6-7 1.5 60 fts in my A4 1.8T with drag radials and no nitrous.

Very few S4's here in the states run nitrous.

My 10.8 run in the Eurocode S4 was with just a 1.8 60 ft spinning the tires on some shitty Falkin AS tires they made us run and as I said above it was on nothing but boost and 105 octane unleaded race fuel.

onemoremile
07-31-2008, 06:45 AM
And dale earnheart drives a monte carlo around the nascar track.


Not even remotely close. That is actually worse than comparing a Civic to an Ariel Atom with a Civic engine. [>_<]

Nascar racers are fully custom tube chassis with engines that never came in the car and they have only a vague resemblance to the actual vehicle they are paying homage to. What about that drivetrain has anything to do with a FWD V6? Spray paint all the cars at Talledega the same color and I'll bet good money very few of us could figure out what brand they each were let alone what model. Literally the only thing Nascar racers share with production models is the shape of the manfacturer's badge. Not the actual badge since stickers will suffice. Yup, not one shared part.

Take something like a Prodrive built Ferrari or Subaru. They start with cars straight from the factory and most of the original car remains. The interior panels are discarded for weight and safety reasons but the car really was a stock car once. Still looks like it too. Even more so without the flashy graphics.

If I gutted my Audi and caged it it would still be an Audi. 034's VR6-t is a B5 A4 and Crawford's STi is an STi. Now if you take an RX7 and drop in an LSx it gets a little fuzzier but I'll bet good money that 99.99999% of car guys point at it and say it's an RX7.

A 9 second Camaro is a Camaro. A 6 second Camaro is still a Camaro. A friend has a 7 second alcohol Anglia. You can bet it isn't quite stock but if it sets a record it will be recorded as an Anglia not as a custom tube frame one-off racecar with no proper designation.


Just to throw one last shovel full on the pile...
The vin is irrelevant. Go buy a Ford "boy racer" Mustang. It doesn't have a vin and can never be made street legal but it is still a Mustang. Back half it, add some serious power, go crazy.... but it is still a Mustang.


Yup, a Camaro. Back halfed, more than slightly modified, still a Camaro. You don't have to agree - we can't all be right.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/200/464096598_1cd104f768.jpg

onemoremile
07-31-2008, 06:49 AM
Satan's Child -- the car is sick on a whole new level. You are a lunatic and I mean that as the most sincere of compliments.

[wrench] ------->[drive] ------->[race]

nizmosx
07-31-2008, 08:32 AM
Onemoremile, i couldnt agree with you more.

satans child, keep up the amazing work... way to step out of the box.
Please continue to update us on the progress of this child.

Trigger Happy
07-31-2008, 09:05 AM
Bastard isn't doing this project. He's complaining about it. Satan's Child is the lunatic who is building the fastest S4 in the world.

Keep it up Satan, and if it doesn't throw off the aerodynamics too much could you put horns on the front of it? I feel like that would be the only thing missing when it was done.

onemoremile
07-31-2008, 09:41 AM
Bastard isn't doing this project. He's complaining about it. Satan's Child is the lunatic who is building the fastest S4 in the world.



DOH!! I told you we can't all be right. Missed the easy one too. [:/]

onemoremile
07-31-2008, 09:47 AM
Keep it up Satan, and if it doesn't throw off the aerodynamics too much could you put horns on the front of it? I feel like that would be the only thing missing when it was done.


http://jpe01.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/JP_with_Boss_Hogg_Car_106.119111526_std.jpg

nizmosx
07-31-2008, 10:45 AM
i fixed the comment. it was a typo on my part. lol

1997gtx
07-31-2008, 10:58 AM
I say congrats to anyone trying to extend the S4 platform to new levels. It doesn't matter where you end up ("S4" or not), i'm just glad we can all hopefully be a part of witnessing history :)

For all the debate, i'm sure it just makes Satan's Child want to finish the project even more quickly.
--Adam

BastardS4
07-31-2008, 12:22 PM
Bastard isn't doing this project. He's complaining about it.


Complaining about it? Hardly.

Killerteve
07-31-2008, 02:40 PM
He's not complaining, he's just making it very clear that he FEELS, it's not longer an S4......about 200 times.

BastardS4
07-31-2008, 04:27 PM
201? :)

SoFresh
08-01-2008, 11:53 AM
Sweet project, looks like fun.

GTIBONO
08-01-2008, 01:01 PM
reedjucate me on the fastest s4, i know ozz killer was in the 9s but was there any s4 faster than him?

Siena
08-01-2008, 01:06 PM
reedjucate me on the fastest s4, i know ozz killer was in the 9s but was there any s4 faster than him?

There will be.

satans child
08-09-2008, 06:34 AM
hi guys...

im just off to take some new pics of the car over the last couple of weeks ...

ill post them up as soon as im back..[;)]

... jack..

Siena
08-09-2008, 06:49 AM
Nice one, Jack.

GURUMAN
08-09-2008, 06:53 AM
http://www.racetuned.com/images/BrentRau_Shootout06.jpg

Still is an Eclipse in the DSM community...

BastardS4
08-09-2008, 12:08 PM
looks like a jet engine.

JMTx86
08-09-2008, 01:47 PM
http://www.racetuned.com/images/BrentRau_Shootout06.jpg

Still is an Eclipse in the DSM community...

That thing is bad ass, first clipse to break 7's ( i think) and he says he can get more out of it.

GURUMAN
08-09-2008, 04:13 PM
An it's still powered by the original DSM powerplant witch has been mounted longitudinaly like 034's VR6.

satans child
08-10-2008, 02:31 AM
well rob has now started on the front of the car and by next week the car will have the new firewall in and we will take it off the jig and put it on the floor with all 4 wheels back on it and roll it outside so you will then get to see exactly how it looks......

look at all that space for my turbo in front of the engine....[:D][:D][:D]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00230.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00229.jpg

Siena
08-10-2008, 02:38 AM
Rock on, Jack!

Intercooled, or chargecooled?

satans child
08-10-2008, 02:55 AM
chargecooled....[;)]

dont need a massive front mount to slow us down ...lol

BLACKa4QUAT
08-10-2008, 03:03 AM
amazing project, and one nice s4. gonna be a beast when its all put together. still dont get the people who dont say this isnt an s4 anymore. they still call funny cars, nascars, dtm cars, etc, by what the body is molded after, and this sick s4 retains alot more factory parts than those.

Siena
08-10-2008, 03:40 AM
chargecooled....[;)]

dont need a massive front mount to slow us down ...lol

Good.

I'm not a fan of massive intercoolers, and have always gone the chargecooler route.

Will be going the same route with my current car.

S4 in_lowplaces
08-10-2008, 05:14 AM
If he's using the 2.7 motor then it's still an S4 in my book.

Unispeed
08-10-2008, 06:15 AM
I call rice on the whole project... hahahaha, jk. Car looks awsome. Tell the haters to go screw themselves.

washyourrhands
08-10-2008, 02:52 PM
yeah i think this is amazing

cant wait to see the finished product

Reich
08-10-2008, 03:14 PM
Hurry up with this project. Can't wait to see numbers.[>_<]

docurley
08-10-2008, 03:53 PM
My god someones put you engine in the wrong place[:D]

HOFFY11
08-10-2008, 03:59 PM
you must have alot of money to make an audi into a full out drag car lol..good luck..break some audi records..drop in that w12 turbo diesel =D

Reich
08-16-2008, 11:17 PM
Just want to bump for news and show a real 'selica' that want's to race you.LOL. How is it going?
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd293/reich_04/celica.jpg

AMC
08-17-2008, 12:24 AM
celica

Reich
08-17-2008, 09:50 AM
celica

Know that. Just did'nt want to spell-it properly[;)]

satans child
08-24-2008, 11:09 AM
sorry its been so long since i last updated you....

car is coming along great[:D]

here is what has happend in the last few weeks...

the struts are now finished and the tubs have started to go in...

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00239.jpg


http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00240.jpg


http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00244.jpg

by the end of the week the motor will be mounted and the car put back on all 4 wheels..

there are now 3 guys working everyday to get the car finished so i hope to have it compleated before the whether gets realy shit...

we nearly have our website compleated and will soon put it live for you all to visit...

cheers ... jack.[:)]....

BurnAll4S4
08-24-2008, 04:18 PM
cool dude

quattro16
08-24-2008, 06:11 PM
Nice Build!!

Chknkatsu
08-24-2008, 06:31 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but what internals are you going to use in the motor.

revhards4
08-25-2008, 04:32 AM
still would be awesome if you squeezed and rs6 motor in there with a massive PT single

satans child
08-25-2008, 05:23 AM
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but what internals are you going to use in the motor.

all of the internals have been custom made in the usa as you are the only guys that have the balls to go for big bhp....


so i have these babys.... corrillo rods spec'ed to 1500bhp and to rev to 10,000rmp's

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/PIC_0321.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/PIC_0318.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/PIC_0317.jpg


and i had je pistons make us these.... also these are spec'ed to 1500bhp and 10,000rpm's
they are also going to give us 8.1.1 compression to able us to run the 3.5 bar boost we are running...

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/PIC_0322.jpg


as far as the rest of the internals .. im running solid lifters, cat cams, and a redline of 10,000rmp

the 2.4 euro heads i have ported myself... these are now off for final finishing and flowing, and new 3 angle valves

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00064.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00061.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00075-1.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00072.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00049.jpg

sean1.8t
08-25-2008, 06:17 PM
FINALLY!

a solid lifter 2.7t. this is going to be sick!

build is coming along nicely [up]

what turbo?what turbo?what turbo?what turbo?what turbo?what turbo?what turbo???????

OneSickSedan
08-25-2008, 08:49 PM
Wow! This is a sick build can't wait to see what this thing does. Good luck. x2 on what turbo?

ChrisS4
08-25-2008, 09:40 PM
I am glad someone finally had the balls to go ahead with a project like this! All of these haters are crazy for saying its not an s4. I cant wait to see the finished product. too bad your in UK so most of us will not get the chance to ever see it

b5hobsons4
08-25-2008, 09:40 PM
im new to audizine, ive been at audiforums for awhile. well.. i just spent bout an hour or more reading this whole thread, when i was supposed to be getting some sleep before i have classes in the mornin. This is an absolutely insane undertaking. You have some huge balls to even attempt this.
How many man hours do you have stuck in this project? IMO, if it still has the VIN tag, its still an S4. My hats off to you. Keep it up!

damnthemansam
08-25-2008, 09:53 PM
at least you chose the right color [:D]

AudiA4_20T
08-25-2008, 09:59 PM
man 1500hp, what is that like a T88 or something? lol I dont even know what goes that big

SpoolPastYou
08-25-2008, 11:08 PM
Its a tubbed out tube framed shell. I dont build race cars for a living. I dont care to. However calling this a 1000hp "audi" is comical.

It would be like me putting on a leather jacket and calling myself the worlds smartest cow.

HA omg worst fucken analogy ever, but nice try...why would you ever question not only this guys financial sacrafices but his dedicated life to building a car that not only will be the first of its kind in the world but will REPRESENT AUDI! who r u to make judgments not only at the fact you've got about a one tenth of the investments this guy has into his audi, but his true audi dedication to make it his life to put audi and s4's on the map for the drag world..this IS AN AUDI not only is it using the audi block but its using the AUDI S4 BODY..all of the s4 aerodynamics and physics are still in tact so how the fuck could this not be an audi!?! especially when he is keeping the trunk liner and quarter panels in tact to fit the slicks, once again WORKING ARROUUNND THE STOCK S4 BODY...fabricating to fit his needs of how it came from audi...so hey is that like if i put a shirt on that was made in china, does that make me half chinese??[confused] LOL

side note- 1000-1500hp seems a very..under rated for a all purpose dragster, theres a civic down the st from where i live that was just dynoed at a 1000hp, and its shell is completely factory and uses a bored over 2.2 honda motor with golden eagle sleeves...i mean supras skylines rx7's etc have been making 1400hp and are still street driven, why the low suspected numbers??

sean1.8t
08-25-2008, 11:21 PM
^with the right gearing and weight you dont need 8000hp.

with all his resources for knowledge as well as his own im sure he will do very well.


7s........ i dunno

8s........very doable

but what do i know

SpoolPastYou
08-25-2008, 11:23 PM
^with the right gearing and weight you dont need 8000hp.

with all his resources for knowledge as well as his own im sure he will do very well.


7s........ i dunno

8s........very doable

but what do i know

i wasnt implying he needs 8000hp or watever..but hes talking about running consitent 8's and with that body and those numbers thats a big ?mark

although there are hundreds of factors besides hp n weight when you get into this kind of dragging so who knows...gripped runs might do the job as well too..i dunno just my 2cents

SpoolPastYou
08-25-2008, 11:26 PM
much props for the car tho!! its already in my saved pics file

Wizard-of-OD
08-26-2008, 10:05 PM
Why did you gasket match the exhaust port?

satans child
08-27-2008, 03:54 PM
TURBO.....

sorry i thought you all knew what we were running......


garrett gt4202r...[:D] with a twin scroll 1.15ar turbine housing..
this running c16 will be good to see 1000bhp on just the turbo.....

im also running up to a 500 shot of progressive controlled no2.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/PIC_0333.jpg

and ask mentioned back at the start of this thread, why was a gt40 not enough.... simple....

im not going to set any records with less than 800bhp..

you can see the difference for yourselves..

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/GT4094vsGT4202R_001.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/GT4094vsGT4202R_005.jpg

please feel free to ask questions ... ill try to make things as clear as i can..

thanks for all your comments and support.. jack..

satans child
08-27-2008, 04:10 PM
Why did you gasket match the exhaust port?

issam they are not matched i have left 0.5mm to allow for expansion

and its been done to match the ports as they are as big inside too....

n02 does like to exit quicker than we can shove it in ..lol

by the way ... welcome to the project...[;)] say hi to dan and javad for me..

02audia41.8
08-27-2008, 04:13 PM
wow that turbo is rediculous

ToMMyRsK04
08-27-2008, 06:01 PM
Two twin GT42s should see a LOT more then just 1000bhp ..

NastyNogaro
08-27-2008, 06:44 PM
Flippin huge turbo [eek]

God I love this thread. And it's a nogaro to boot!

Can't wait for vids [hail]

JMTx86
08-27-2008, 07:11 PM
Two twin GT42s should see a LOT more then just 1000bhp ..

the gt42 is good for 1000 by itself [drive]

JaredVL
08-28-2008, 09:04 AM
Two twin GT42s should see a LOT more then just 1000bhp ..
hey look its "that guy"

JDM EJ1 95
08-28-2008, 09:44 AM
Two twin GT42s should see a LOT more then just 1000bhp ..


wow... 4 turbos..


4000 hp?



<being a jerk

SpoolPastYou
08-28-2008, 02:15 PM
wow... 4 turbos..


4000 hp?



<being a jerk


lol i understand what hes sayin but still funny

what did u do with the backdoors i cant see them in the pics

VelocityS4
08-28-2008, 03:29 PM
Two twin GT42s should see a LOT more then just 1000bhp ..
Twin GT42's wont see boost.. ever.

revhards4
08-28-2008, 06:37 PM
Nice turbo selection...you should and can go bigger such as a GT45 or your 43 with 45 guts in it. The DSM boys are running GT42's on some 2.2l and 2.4L strokers and they see FULL boost by 5k rpms.

ILoveT
08-28-2008, 06:51 PM
Nice turbo selection...you should and can go bigger such as a GT45 or your 43 with 45 guts in it. The DSM boys are running GT42's on some 2.2l and 2.4L strokers and they see FULL boost by 5k rpms.

Zziiing!

SpoolPastYou
08-28-2008, 11:58 PM
Nice turbo selection...you should and can go bigger such as a GT45 or your 43 with 45 guts in it. The DSM boys are running GT42's on some 2.2l and 2.4L strokers and they see FULL boost by 5k rpms.

just got my dsm back 2day! its gunna be my full purpose track car, im running the 60-1 t3 hot side, full spool (24psi) should come in after tune around the 3800

revhards4
08-29-2008, 07:37 AM
yeah it seems that the t3 turbine side is old news...everyone now runs t4 or bigger. People have realized the quench area on the t3's even with a .86 a/r is not enough to flow as well or spool faster than a t4 with a .68.

Daft
08-29-2008, 08:30 AM
FINALLY!

a solid lifter 2.7t. this is going to be sick!


I think he has no other choice in this case. 10,000rpm would result in crazy valve float with hydraulic lifters.[eek]

satans child
08-29-2008, 10:41 AM
Nice turbo selection...you should and can go bigger such as a GT45 or your 43 with 45 guts in it. The DSM boys are running GT42's on some 2.2l and 2.4L strokers and they see FULL boost by 5k rpms.

i could BUT !!!

there would be no point... full boost doesnt mean the full potential of bhp...[confused] you need to be able to use it..

the turbo has been chosen as big as i dare go ....? reason...

in order to make 1000bhp our gt4202r needs to flow 15,000 cfm's of air..
now lets not forget this is only a baby engine at 2.7 and if your any good at maths you should be able to work out that the given displacement, peek power at 8,500 rpm's and running 3 bar boost, all this running at 95% efeciency will still only make 980bhp..... it just hasn't got enough guts unless i want to rev it to 10,000 + rpm's and i dont want to keep destroying bottom ends so id rather make the power a bit lower , run more boost, less rpm's..... the rpm's will take the engine out quicker than me running up to 4 bar.....

trust me the guys that built this turbo know what they undertook with this project .... this is bigger than they wanted to go, but agree that the audi should piss 99% efeciency... and at 9,000rpm's will give us 1126bhp......[:D]

i do already have an rs4 block being taken out to 3.0l so that should have some very good potential and will make a lot more torque

and to answer some of your questions on weight... well the stripped shell including the glass and subframes as a standard s4 went 462kilo's on our corner weight's.... light if you ask me....

when the car is finished "andy" has a bet with me that the car compleated including me will weigh under 850 kilo's[eek][eek][eek] shit... its guna scare the shit out of me ....lol

i also will anounounce the sponsors that are backing us ..... very soon..[;)]


again thanks for all your intrest and support

and we are hopeing to arange bringing the car to the us next year depending on the cost .... so any media coverage of project-satanschild would be very welcome ...

i know you have euro tuner magazine but dont know of any others [confused]... guy's ???


cheers again ... jack[up]

nateS4
08-29-2008, 11:24 AM
[hail] The car should be awesome, I would love to see that run 7s. Nogaro is the fastest, lol.

D.C. Designs
08-29-2008, 11:31 AM
ddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnn oh so sick

VelocityS4
08-29-2008, 03:26 PM
The DSM boys are running GT42's on some 2.2l and 2.4L strokers and they see FULL boost by 5k rpms.
No their not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sjrmI5pN9k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlXkAeJ8N4

And I hate to be a stickler, but your wrong on those motor sizes too.

ToMMyRsK04
09-01-2008, 08:30 AM
at least you chose the right color [:D]

x2 [evilsmile]

OZZ
09-02-2008, 01:23 PM
nice RWD S4 project :) do not give up :)
last week we hit 1045 Hp at 7250 rpm and 1027 Nm :) no N2O, max rpm 10.000
best ET 9,4, no push, no N2O, no dragstrip, stock gearbox
8.XX attack in 2008 :)
my S4 is still too heavy, working on it
custom gearbox ... is ... waiting :)
next event close to Warsaw, end of September with drivers from Sweden - look at www.sss.org.pl

AudiA4_20T
09-02-2008, 01:44 PM
OZZ POSTED! lol

JaredVL
09-02-2008, 01:49 PM
now this thread is champion

revhards4
09-02-2008, 02:37 PM
No their not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sjrmI5pN9k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlXkAeJ8N4

And I hate to be a stickler, but your wrong on those motor sizes too.

It was just the wrong touch of the keyboard here in the dark room, sorry. I made the same mistake when mentioning turbo's about a GT43...I meant 42. Still the turbo of chose should be a 45...I would run 47-88 on the 3L. With the solid lifters of course.

revhards4
09-02-2008, 02:39 PM
No their not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sjrmI5pN9k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlXkAeJ8N4

And I hate to be a stickler, but your wrong on those motor sizes too.

It was just the wrong touch of the keyboard here in the dark room, sorry. I made the same mistake when mentioning turbo's about a GT43...I meant 42. Still the turbo of chose should be a 45...I would run 47-88 on the 3L. With the solid lifters of course.

Are those Evo's straight 2L's or destroked 2L's or 2.3 or what. A couple around here have the 2.3L stroker motors and one of them see's 26-28psi of boost by 5k with his GT42 with a 45 wheel...when his motor was stroked.

VelocityS4
09-02-2008, 04:14 PM
It was just the wrong touch of the keyboard here in the dark room, sorry. I made the same mistake when mentioning turbo's about a GT43...I meant 42. Still the turbo of chose should be a 45...I would run 47-88 on the 3L. With the solid lifters of course.

Are those Evo's straight 2L's or destroked 2L's or 2.3 or what. A couple around here have the 2.3L stroker motors and one of them see's 26-28psi of boost by 5k with his GT42 with a 45 wheel...when his motor was stroked.
I wasnt talking about the GT"43" part, I knew that was a typo. I was refering to the 4g63 motor sizes.. but I was just being a pain in your ass.

47-88 is too big for a 3L with not the best flowing heads ever.. the 3.4 stroker Supras run that turbo with a great head and more displacement and still dont see full boost till 6k.

Both those evo's are running 2L's.. thats what all the fastest 4g63's in the country run.

revhards4
09-02-2008, 05:45 PM
2.0l is the way to go I know because the rod stroke ratio is better and they rev them further out.

As far as the Supra boys go their are plenty out there that run the 47-88 on the 3.0 without the crower or titan stroker kits. Plus this S4 is going to be an auto like most of the fastest Supra's. Essentially it will never lose boost once launched off a proper stall converter.

VelocityS4
09-02-2008, 06:48 PM
2.0l is the way to go I know because the rod stroke ratio is better and they rev them further out.

As far as the Supra boys go their are plenty out there that run the 47-88 on the 3.0 without the crower or titan stroker kits. Plus this S4 is going to be an auto like most of the fastest Supra's. Essentially it will never lose boost once launched off a proper stall converter.

Touche. I forgot this is going to be auto. Maybe the 45r would have been a better choice. Either way, its going to be a monster. Cant wait to see more progress.

satans child
09-04-2008, 12:34 PM
well... were getting closer .......


the motor dummie mounted on it's motor plate... just the new firewall to fabricate left to do on the front end now.....


http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00248.jpg



the tinwork on the tubs is finished and just a bit more tinwork to finish in the back...

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00252.jpg


http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00251.jpg


and the front tyre's finally showed up so this was the first time i saw it whith front wheels...

i love it.........................scweeeeeet[:D]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00253.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00254.jpg

satans child
09-04-2008, 01:00 PM
guys guys guys.....

some of you have not followed the link to rs246.com and read all my post's .. or you would know this is going to be 5 speed manual not auto ....

im running a jerico 5 speed air shifted drag box on a trick bellhousing, with a 5.5" ace racing drag clutch....[;)]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/jerico5speedairshift.jpg

this is not my car this is the last sallon car aarc built ..... it now runs 8.1 1/4 @ 171mph... and with only 900bhp.. no N20.... take a look.. the turbo on this runs the same internals as i am....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EQEW5JH-5C4&feature=related

so again i assure you a gt45 would be no good what so ever on a 2.7 and even the 3.0l i would see better performance from the 4202r the 45 would be ok if i had the balls to rev it to 12,000rpm


my box is in the car now but i forgot to take pics ....[headbang]


AREK...... my mentor and my inspiration to do this in the first place [hail]
i am glad you aprove of my project, and i will be sure to come over and say hi at king's of europe 2009... maybe we can both celebrate with vodka....[;)]

ps. you have a pm

01treyS4
09-04-2008, 02:29 PM
looking good this thing is gonna be rediculous

Blake260
09-04-2008, 04:40 PM
is that an autozone edition gas pedal.....

revhards4
09-05-2008, 04:26 PM
amazing! Looks killer with the skinnies upfront

satans child
09-15-2008, 03:47 PM
hi guys..

sorry but ive been too busy to update you all so......

first of all i would like to say a big thanks to javad and dan, and welcome 034motorsport as our main sponsor and the power behind project satans child....

034 EFI was chosen for the obvious reason......THERE IS NO BETTER[up]
ill keep you updated as we progress..

AND NOW.....more car porn...lol .. enjoy[:D]



not long to go now.....

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00257.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00259.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00261.jpg




on saturday the car was rolled out of the workshop to take a better look at ...... what do you think...... we love it ....

the new rear wing looks great... just needs mounting.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00265.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00266.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00268.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00269.jpg


the floor will be finished today and we should get the clutch from america somtime today too...

then there is just the seat, fuel tank batterybox and a few bits and pieces left to finish.... hoping to have it in paint for october.....

Chknkatsu
09-15-2008, 03:51 PM
i hope you're going to paint the wing...

SourDieselS4
09-15-2008, 04:00 PM
Looks like youve got some serious determination and $$ to get this done so fast. Please say your keeping it nogaro!

Looks sexy go 034

01treyS4
09-15-2008, 04:20 PM
never thought an s4 would look so good with some massive hoosiers on it

satans child
09-15-2008, 04:22 PM
she most definatly is staying nogaro.... so is the wing..

docurley
09-15-2008, 04:48 PM
[drive]The looks so Mad yet so right well done can't wait for your first outing out[race][drive][wrench]

BastardS4
09-15-2008, 04:55 PM
that little 2.7 block looks downright small now.

satans child
09-16-2008, 02:16 PM
well it did turn up today....

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00273.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00272.jpg

sean1.8t
09-16-2008, 03:19 PM
damn! what's that good for?


300, maybe 400hp [:p]

JMTx86
09-16-2008, 03:21 PM
damn! what's that good for?


300, maybe 400hp [:p]

per-disc
[>_<]

satans child
09-16-2008, 04:04 PM
about 1600 bhp...[:D]

its a work of art... shame it gets hidden in the bellhousing..

VelocityS4
09-16-2008, 04:51 PM
Thats one hell of a clutch setup you've got there. Who made it?
Btw, awesome project.. and thanks for keeping us all updated with the progress! I'm sure were almost as eager to see it run as you!

4Rings3Liters
09-16-2008, 05:08 PM
This build is absolutely incredible. I don't care what anyone else says this car is badass, keep up the good work.

satans child
09-17-2008, 04:41 PM
please forgive me as i correct myself....

after a long chat with matt of turbo dynamics here in the uk, it seems i was miss informed as regards to what power we can look at achieving..

and it seems the figure of 980bhp would be on 98 ron pump gas..

so as were running c16 which will mean we are running 120% effiiciency at only 8500 rpm's we should have no problem making 1100 bhp....wicked...[evilsmile]

cheers matt..... you have cheered me right up[;)]

BastardS4
09-17-2008, 05:15 PM
any concerns with balance on the clutch assembly? thats a lot of mass thats way out there from the crank.

might be worth giving it a spin to see if the flywheel needs a few cuts here and there.

satans child
09-17-2008, 05:47 PM
there should be no issues with the balance as it has been ballanced... but..

i will wait untill i have the motor fully built and then have the whole engine with the clutch balanced....more$$$$[=(]lol

BITRBO
09-17-2008, 06:12 PM
that little 2.7 block looks downright small now.

lol. I was thinking the same thing [>_<] And the best part is that little sucker it's gonna be pumping out ~1,100 ponies [o_o][eek][hail]

satans child
09-17-2008, 06:36 PM
it does look a bit lost in there now ...lol[>_<]

ILoveT
09-17-2008, 06:40 PM
VIDZ AND DYNO!!!

Lol

satans child
09-19-2008, 05:50 AM
VIDZ AND DYNO!!!

Lol

paint first...[rolleyes]

satans child
09-20-2008, 02:36 AM
well the chassis is almost finished ....

its 11am here im just off to take the last pics before she is off for paint....
ill post them as soon as im back...[evilsmile]

Siena
09-20-2008, 04:43 PM
Good work, Jack.

quattro16
09-21-2008, 09:04 AM
SICK!!!!

Ads4
09-21-2008, 09:29 AM
This project just gets better and better Jack [hail]

Any chance you can post up on AudiSRS.com (http://audisrs.com/index.php) too? There are a lot of people on there who broke away from 246 after the 'live event' debacle who would love to know how this is doing [up][s4]

satans child
09-21-2008, 10:36 AM
well the floor is now finished and the only major fabrication left to do is the bulkhead... as you see here
you can also see the bellhousing does not have an inspection cover.. this we needed, to do rounine clutch adjustments and re torque after each run..
problem.... andy does not do problems .... he just solves them..
just look at the bottom of the gearbox and you will see.. he is the best in the bussiness for a reason...

now we just drop the prop, unbolt the bellhousing and the whole thing slides back to give us full access to the clutch....GENIUS

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00279.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00277.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00278.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00281.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/rs6killa/DSC00284.jpg



the pedals were fabricated while i was there and trial fitted for comfort...

there is the steering column to finish, mount the fuel cell, batterybox, and parashute, some welding to finish... oh... and the air shifter to mount, then we should have it back to get some paint on it .... 2 weeks time ?

MAKK
09-21-2008, 11:07 AM
Excellent work. I like the slide away transmission for clutch inspection/adjustment. [:D]

generationjdm
09-21-2008, 12:30 PM
truly awesome work guys!!!!!!!!!

F16HTON
09-21-2008, 12:49 PM
well the floor is now finished and the only major fabrication left to do is the bulkhead... as you see here
you can also see the bellhousing does not have an inspection cover.. this we needed, to do rounine clutch adjustments and re torque after each run..
problem.... andy does not do problems .... he just solves them..
just look at the bottom of the gearbox and you will see.. he is the best in the bussiness for a reason...

now we just drop the prop, unbolt the bellhousing and the whole thing slides back to give us full access to the clutch....GENIUS


You may want to consider getting a bellhousing with an inspection cover, the main reason is that directly after the run, the inspection plate is typically removed and a electric fan assembly will be attached to the bellhousing to cool the clutch down...

This aids in the between-run maintenece that you will be doing...you can get away with moving the entire tranmission back, but at first there will be quite a bit of experimentation with the clutch settings to dial it in.

satans child
09-21-2008, 02:23 PM
You may want to consider getting a bellhousing with an inspection cover, the main reason is that directly after the run, the inspection plate is typically removed and a electric fan assembly will be attached to the bellhousing to cool the clutch down...

This aids in the between-run maintenece that you will be doing...you can get away with moving the entire tranmission back, but at first there will be quite a bit of experimentation with the clutch settings to dial it in.




you can also see the bellhousing does not have an inspection cover.. this we needed,

you didn't read very well .... and being realistic you could not re torque the clutch properly through that small inspection cover...
which needs doing every run so we have the best solution all round...[:p]

Wizard-of-OD
09-21-2008, 02:44 PM
This is simply insane
Good work!

F16HTON
09-21-2008, 03:23 PM
you didn't read very well .... and being realistic you could not re torque the clutch properly through that small inspection cover...
which needs doing every run so we have the best solution all round...[:p]

I know this...I happen to do the clutch on a Top Alcohol Dragster. Dropping the propshaft and unbolting the transmission cannot realistically be accomplished at the top end of the track...

At the top end of the track, I immediately unbolt the inspection cover and bolt a squirrel cage fan to the bellhousing, this allows the clutch to cool off so that is can be removed, inspected, torqued and calibrated for each run...