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Das General
05-24-2008, 08:29 PM
and in order to find it, we had to pull the motor.

Raining...
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00427.jpg

Somewhere in there, lies the screw that was dropped...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00428.jpg

And so we begin the search...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00429.jpg
Newb

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00433.jpg

Big Red getting ready to beast the motor, Clinton with the nice middle finger.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00441.jpg

Me, "Doing work, son"

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00445.jpg

Clint, ridin the tranny. As always.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00446.jpg

Pulling the valve cover off

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00451.jpg

Mods getting ready to be installed...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00453.jpg

We are currently fabricating a cam-lock bar... keep you bums posted!
[:D]

-Sincerely, Clint & Derek

Jesse S.
05-24-2008, 08:29 PM
Your first 4 pictures are the same.

Das General
05-24-2008, 08:34 PM
WHAT?!?!

Photobucket ftw

BananaBoy_S4
05-24-2008, 08:47 PM
i have a headlight screw in my engine bay somewhere.


what are the mods?

NastyNogaro
05-24-2008, 08:50 PM
pardon my newbie-ness but what is the significance of a "cam-lock bar?"

Wish I had a buddy with an engine hoist and stand.. the last time I had to get work like this done Audi charged me over 2k.

Get that thing running Derek so I can cash in on that stage 3 ride I'm supposed to get, which will most likely in turn send me to ecs for my very own set of k0-whores.

AudiA4_20T
05-24-2008, 08:52 PM
i have a headlight screw in my engine bay somewhere.


what are the mods?

doing a headgasket and clutch as well as a few little things like the thermostat and such

AudiA4_20T
05-24-2008, 08:53 PM
pardon my newbie-ness but what is the significance of a "cam-lock bar?"

Wish I had a buddy with an engine hoist and stand.. the last time I had to get work like this done Audi charged me over 2k.

Get that thing running Derek so I can cash in on that stage 3 ride I'm supposed to get, which will most likely in turn send me to ecs for my very own set of k0-whores.

The cam lock bar holds the timing in the heads so everything doesnt become mashed potatoes when you put it back

BananaBoy_S4
05-24-2008, 08:56 PM
pardon my newbie-ness but what is the significance of a "cam-lock bar?"

Wish I had a buddy with an engine hoist and stand.. the last time I had to get work like this done Audi charged me over 2k.

Get that thing running Derek so I can cash in on that stage 3 ride I'm supposed to get, which will most likely in turn send me to ecs for my very own set of k0-whores.

how do you keep your car so clean? everytime i see it it shines!

Jurjen
05-24-2008, 10:26 PM
how do you keep your car so clean? everytime i see it it shines!

Silver always looks spotless from 10-20ft away!

Overboostin
05-24-2008, 11:06 PM
your car looks great man. let us know how you make your cam lock bar. I need to do my timing belt soon and could definitely stand to save a few bills. good luck!

BananaBoy_S4
05-24-2008, 11:46 PM
Silver always looks spotless from 10-20ft away!

im talking about nastynogaros car

YMJ
05-25-2008, 02:03 AM
is it me.. or that looks hard to do?? LOL

NOVAS4
05-25-2008, 05:12 AM
hey clint how long it take you?.. wanna do another in august?

2001S4NY
05-25-2008, 05:18 AM
Derek will be back on the road soon :)

S4 in_lowplaces
05-25-2008, 08:45 AM
Borrow a cam bar from someone, In your area there has to be someone that has one, I gauraantee it. also looks liek a modeling shoot, Kinad gay.... No?

Reich
05-25-2008, 08:58 AM
The hole story does'nt tell if you did you find the screw. Did you find it? What's the mod your going with?

S4 John
05-25-2008, 09:24 AM
Borrow a cam bar from someone, In your area there has to be someone that has one, I gauraantee it. also looks liek a modeling shoot, Kinad gay.... No?

But, why male models? haha

Good luck!

Das General
05-25-2008, 10:25 AM
Borrow a cam bar from someone, In your area there has to be someone that has one, I gauraantee it. also looks liek a modeling shoot, Kinad gay.... No?

we had photo time outs.


and the bolt has not been found yet.


unfortunately finding a cam lock bar on memorial day weekend isn't as easy as it sounds. we arrived at the VW dealership about 4 minutes too late, which would have allowed us to borrow this tool. since then we have been searching the forums, various auto place and the new jersey neighborhoods.

Das General
05-25-2008, 10:26 AM
Derek will be back on the road soon :)

Indeed I will! [:D]

Slow4
05-25-2008, 10:27 AM
The hole story does'nt tell if you did you find the screw. Did you find it? What's the mod your going with?

LoL.

I agree. You never stated that you found the screw. I think you just fabricated a reason to take apart your engine to install the new mod[:D]

Rapter
05-25-2008, 12:30 PM
doing a headgasket and clutch as well as a few little things like the thermostat and such

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/radioflyer_2001_2070726

What no wagon? That's it this thread blows lol... Good luck man I wish I had the garage and balls to pull my engine. [up]

Das General
05-25-2008, 01:22 PM
hahah I think Clint retired the radio flyer with big red.



btw there is breaking news in this project!!!!

GramCracker
05-25-2008, 01:46 PM
I'm gonna assume that you did K04's and junk all on your own.

Tiesto
05-25-2008, 01:48 PM
What a cliff hanger. What ever became of the mysterious missing screw?

AudiA4_20T
05-25-2008, 02:13 PM
What a cliff hanger. What ever became of the mysterious missing screw?

we have yet to find it...

Daft
05-25-2008, 02:27 PM
1. Did the screw magically fall into the side that needed a head gasket?[:D]

2. How did you lure clint over there?

3. I have a cam lock bar at my house right now, 2hrs from Philly though....

Das General
05-25-2008, 02:51 PM
1. Did the screw magically fall into the side that needed a head gasket?[:D]

2. How did you lure clint over there?

3. I have a cam lock bar at my house right now, 2hrs from Philly though....

1.) Clint dropped the screw. So you will have to ask him.

2.) He couldn't help hanging out with me

3.) We DIY'd a homebrew cam-lock bar.

NastyNogaro
05-25-2008, 03:36 PM
how do you keep your car so clean? everytime i see it it shines!

Haha, thanks man.. it's a PITA to keep it clean in my neighborhood with all the damn pollen producing trees. It's even cleaner now since I got e-codes and front bumper sort-of fixed..

Edit: where do u live in manayunk?? i thought derek was the only other b5 s4 guy..

S4 in_lowplaces
05-25-2008, 07:45 PM
should have picked this up, sucha great price includes both, dont think its fuly sold, ask him bout it. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207490

AudiA4_20T
05-25-2008, 07:54 PM
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00458.jpg

What now? Maybe

http://www.034motorsport.com/oscthumbwm/w/600/h/606/q/95/f/jpg/fltr/wmi|phpThumb/watermarks/034watermark|C|20|0/hash/964b0f570f7a683fcd3df18bdaa6a780/src/images/V6_RODS1.jpg

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Catalog%20Images/Turbochargers/GT3540R-225225.jpg

but not sure yet...

BananaBoy_S4
05-25-2008, 08:02 PM
Haha, thanks man.. it's a PITA to keep it clean in my neighborhood with all the damn pollen producing trees. It's even cleaner now since I got e-codes and front bumper sort-of fixed..

Edit: where do u live in manayunk?? i thought derek was the only other b5 s4 guy..


conarroe

AudiSportB5S4
05-25-2008, 09:25 PM
dam derek you said your turbos were always loud as hell, i would say maybe you had something going on wouldnt you say lol. goodluck with the new setup man..

AudiSportB5S4
05-25-2008, 09:26 PM
I'm gonna assume that you did K04's and junk all on your own.

no, greg (ssp) installed.

Daft
05-26-2008, 09:12 AM
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00458.jpg

What now?

Ohhhhhh. So that's where the screw went..[eek]

Derek, you gonna just swap the CHRA or go up a notch?[:D]

The_Jerbel
05-26-2008, 11:33 AM
RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6 RS6

hehe [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]

Das General
05-26-2008, 04:36 PM
should have picked this up, sucha great price includes both, dont think its fuly sold, ask him bout it. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207490

Yeah we saw that one. Unfortunately we needed the part that day, so we made one ourself, which works just as well.

As for the future...I am calling Borg Warner in the morning to see if they warranty any of this. If not, I may just buy a new chra and have Blouche fix it. In the meantime, Clint and I have been pricing out a new setup.

As for the turbo, I am really unsure what or when it happened, by the looks of it. The turbo ate some debris.

AB18
05-26-2008, 04:40 PM
How did you guys drop a screw into your engine?

Das General
05-26-2008, 04:43 PM
hahahah we were pulling the motor and one of the bolts fell of the wrench and never hit the ground.


we have yet to find it by the way...and there isn't much on the engine anymore.

cjslapshot
05-26-2008, 10:55 PM
derek how was that train ride?

btw I hear that you are gay? whats the deal with that bro? really a disappointment.


anyway, derek, clint and I did a little brainstorming this weekend and Dereks possible future setup will be jaw-dropping.

S4 in_lowplaces
05-27-2008, 03:46 AM
^lol to the second part.


Look at piecing together some RS4 parts,(if you get one you'll have to get the rest) Intake, Throttle body, fuelrail, TBB pipe. maybe 2.8 heads. Also, since you have the motor apart, do some extra work to it. PnP, replace all the gaskets, and seals, heat wrap a few things, Maybe get some cams in there. free up some of that air flow huh?[:D][:D]]

Pair up everything above with RS6 turbos and have some fun smoking everything!!

dougyfresh
05-27-2008, 08:19 AM
Hope this is coming back together.

A nice telescoping magnet from Sears helps me all the time when I drop screws and bolts.
http://s7.sears.com/is/image/Sears/00946948000?qlt=90,0&resMode=sharp&op_usm=0.9,0.5,0,0 (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00946948000P)



Nice to meet you guys. Hope you had enough food and drinks.

highPSI-S4
05-27-2008, 10:48 AM
that sucks ass, Hopefully you find that screw, and goodluck with your new setup

Rapter
05-27-2008, 10:50 AM
^lol to the second part.


Look at piecing together some RS4 parts,(if you get one you'll have to get the rest) Intake, Throttle body, fuelrail, TBB pipe. maybe 2.8 heads. Also, since you have the motor apart, do some extra work to it. PnP, replace all the gaskets, and seals, heat wrap a few things, Maybe get some cams in there. free up some of that air flow huh?[:D][:D]]

Pair up everything above with RS6 turbos and have some fun smoking everything!!

Did someone say RS4 parts?

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Das General
05-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Hope this is coming back together.

A nice telescoping magnet from Sears helps me all the time when I drop screws and bolts.
http://s7.sears.com/is/image/Sears/00946948000?qlt=90,0&resMode=sharp&op_usm=0.9,0.5,0,0 (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00946948000P)



Nice to meet you guys. Hope you had enough food and drinks.

Thanks Doug, we enjoyed loungin on the deck. We did have a telescoping magnet but that badboy kept sticking to everything else in the motor.

As for the rest of you guys, I am not gonna go the full rs4 route. That really doesn't solve my turbo issue. I may have some K04's, inlets, turbo back exhaust, FMIC and diverter valve for sale soon. [:D] [a4]

Reilly, take that back, you know I'm not gay. I told Clint to put in a good word for me for when I come back. Did you guys really expect me to fornicate with her that night? Jeeez.

Matt@JHM
05-27-2008, 12:25 PM
Thanks Doug, we enjoyed loungin on the deck. We did have a telescoping magnet but that badboy kept sticking to everything else in the motor.

You need to get the one that only pops out the magnet end when you push the button. So you can get it where you want it, push the button and snag it.

cjslapshot
05-27-2008, 05:46 PM
Reilly, take that back, you know I'm not gay. I told Clint to put in a good word for me for when I come back. Did you guys really expect me to fornicate with her that night? Jeeez.

derek I take none of that back... fornicating with someone who lives 200 miles away from you FTW.

Das General
05-27-2008, 11:09 PM
It's only 80 miles away. Can you say long distance relationship? Unfortunately she is going to have to do all of the driving for the first part of our relationship.

cjslapshot
05-28-2008, 12:27 AM
I sent josh a message asking him about the manifold. I'm waiting for him to get back to me.

Das General
05-28-2008, 12:32 AM
Gracias Sir.

Ask him about making a 3.5" downpipe as well.

cjslapshot
05-29-2008, 10:09 AM
Gracias Sir.

Ask him about making a 3.5" downpipe as well.

custom manifold and custom exhaust for $2500[up][hail]

NastyNogaro
05-29-2008, 12:22 PM
3.5" downpipe

[O_O]

holy christ

sean1.8t
05-29-2008, 12:54 PM
why would you need 3.5" downpipes?

that's even overkill if you are going to put 2 gt35r's on your motor

NOVAS4
05-29-2008, 06:09 PM
I may have some K04's.

how many miles on the K04's? [:)]

Slow4
05-29-2008, 07:04 PM
Fine the screw yet?



hahahah we were pulling the motor and one of the bolts fell of the wrench and never hit the ground.


we have yet to find it by the way...and there isn't much on the engine anymore.


Maybe it isn't inside the engine but outside, perhaps laying somewhere in the nook and crannies of the engine bay?

BTW, whats the outlook on those K04s, inlets going for sale? What kind of K04s?

Das General
05-29-2008, 07:05 PM
how many miles on the K04's? [:)]


about 5k, one of them needs a rebuild, as you may or may not have seen the picture posted on this thread. I will be getting rid of them cheap, but I will put the offer on the table for Marc first.

they are PJ K04's with inlets. i will also have a whole load of other things for sale.


as for the size of the downpipe. it will be a single downpipe = )

Rapter
05-29-2008, 10:16 PM
about 5k, one of them needs a rebuild, as you may or may not have seen the picture posted on this thread. I will be getting rid of them cheap, but I will put the offer on the table for Marc first.

they are PJ K04's with inlets. i will also have a whole load of other things for sale.


as for the size of the downpipe. it will be a single downpipe = )

If they don't end up taking them let me know if the price is good I'll take them.

Das General
05-29-2008, 10:41 PM
If they don't end up taking them let me know if the price is good I'll take them.

Will do!

S4 in_lowplaces
07-06-2008, 07:08 AM
Dont mean to bring this back but the the other thread got locked. If you look at the picture only the first set of fins are the damaged ones, which would lead me to believe your damage was caused by over spin. If somthing got in there we'd be seeing a lot more damage.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00458.jpg

Nexus1155
07-06-2008, 08:11 AM
im not even going to start forget it

AudiA4_20T
07-06-2008, 08:14 AM
Dont mean to bring this back but the the other thread got locked. If you look at the picture only the first set of fins are the damaged ones, which would lead me to believe your damage was caused by over spin. If somthing got in there we'd be seeing a lot more damage.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg186/AudiA4_18T/Dereks%20Gay%20S4/DSC00458.jpg

Right, and overspin is what happens when you blow a hose off and the turbo is trying to make 20lbs of boost, its working overtime

Although I do wonder how you think that big chunk is missing from "overspin"

Das General
07-06-2008, 08:18 AM
here is a picture of another fin that was damaged by "dirty air"

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/turbofail2.jpg

i can take pictures of the marks it also left when it got blown out.

Das General
07-13-2008, 05:43 PM
Might as well give you guys a little update as to what is going on.

Parts are starting to arrive.

I gotta call my manifold guy up next week to see when he can start working on them.

Rods, rod bearings, retainers/exhausts valves, new piston rings, and a few more things will be ordered next week.

After that, it is assembly and tune time!

New turbo next to my busted K04
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/NewTurbo2.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/NewTurbo3.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/NewTurbo4.jpg

TiAl 44mm Wastegate action
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/DSCN0369.jpg

I expect this project to be completed by early to mid August... however it will most likely not be fully tuned by then.

Jung
07-13-2008, 05:52 PM
holy crap that's going to be sweet. can't wait to see it up and running

Das General
07-13-2008, 05:56 PM
Yup

I have a couple more items at my apt. but I had to fly back to Boston the same day they came I didn't get a chance to snap some photos.

I get to rock the classic intercooler core, with 1 inlet/outlet! The core is a beast and should be sufficient.

Jung
07-13-2008, 06:01 PM
waiiiit hold up... i didnt read this whole thread, you rocking one turbo?

Das General
07-13-2008, 06:18 PM
haha yup...

Jung
07-13-2008, 07:25 PM
oooooohhh shiz

ILoveT
07-13-2008, 07:26 PM
I'm rockin' one turbo.

I am in the cool club.

Das General
07-13-2008, 07:29 PM
I'm rockin' one turbo.

I am in the cool club.

Get off your high horse Mikey!

lil' is 300
07-13-2008, 07:50 PM
Can I bet you 2 dolla that you won't be finished by early-mid August? [:)]

That turbo is muthatruckin' massive!

Das General
07-13-2008, 07:52 PM
Why wouldn't it be finished?

I'll bet you 2 dolla! Marc says it wont be up by Sept 1. you wanna get in on his boat?

BTW the engine is already apart. It is a matter of parts coming in and manifolds being made, which supposedly will take 1-2 weeks. But ya never know!

tike0rz
07-13-2008, 08:06 PM
Haha, thanks man.. it's a PITA to keep it clean in my neighborhood with all the damn pollen producing trees. It's even cleaner now since I got e-codes and front bumper sort-of fixed..

Edit: where do u live in manayunk?? i thought derek was the only other b5 s4 guy..

I'm like 5 minutes walking from you. We should grab some drinks some time. Bring out some of those college bitches from Skanky-unk.

Das General
07-13-2008, 08:09 PM
You're in the yunk too? Ballin.

lil' is 300
07-13-2008, 10:19 PM
Why wouldn't it be finished?

I'll bet you 2 dolla! Marc says it wont be up by Sept 1. you wanna get in on his boat?

BTW the engine is already apart. It is a matter of parts coming in and manifolds being made, which supposedly will take 1-2 weeks. But ya never know!

The manifolds and downpipe is the entire kit... I'd say Sept. 1st is being generous. Nice to have high expectations though.

Das General
07-13-2008, 10:39 PM
The manifold is a huge aspect to the kit. It is essentially what makes it a one-off setup. However I have spoken to my fabricator, and luckily for us he has already created a set. He said it would take him 1-2 weeks tops.


We discussed the runners/primaries, location of wastegates and all that...he seems to have his situation lined up. On top making manifolds, he is making me a 4" turboback.

So even it takes him 4 weeks, I am still making Marcs bet!

Aside from that, I don't see what can set us back...

lil' is 300
07-13-2008, 10:55 PM
The manifold is a huge aspect to the kit. It is essentially what makes it a one-off setup. However I have spoken to my fabricator, and luckily for us he has already created a set. He said it would take him 1-2 weeks tops.


We discussed the runners/primaries, location of wastegates and all that...he seems to have his situation lined up. On top making manifolds, he is making me a 4" turboback.

So even it takes him 4 weeks, I am still making Marcs bet!

Aside from that, I don't see what can set us back...

Ringlord? Either way I think you're underestimating how much time it will take -- but that's just me. You get a manifold fabricated and go to bolt it on, one bend isn't working with your set-up and you're set back another 2+ weeks. Breaking the engine in and nailing the tune will take way more time than you're anticipating.

If you do manage to get it done sometime in August, let's get together and do a few runs [:)]

Das General
07-13-2008, 10:58 PM
No it isn't Ringlord.

And I am not the one under estimating the time, if you are in fact talking about manifolds.
If you are assuming the manifolds take longer than that... well you can talk to fabricator. But he has made them before and he gave me an ETA. That is for you to debunk.

I think it might just be you.

How long has your car been officially down? When will that bad boy be up and running?

lil' is 300
07-13-2008, 11:02 PM
No it isn't Ringlord.

And I am not the one under estimating the time, if you are in fact talking about manifolds.
If you are assuming the manifolds take longer than that... well you can talk to fabricator. But he has made them before and he gave me an ETA. That is for you to debunk.

I think it might just be you.

How long has your car been officially down?

My car blew a turbo in late December -- a bit earlier than I had anticipated. I didn't get my GT manifolds and downpipes until early June. It's been about a month and a week or so with parts in hand.

Do you plan on doing a fresh bore to clean out any scrapes on the cylinder walls.. or re-balancing the crankshaft assembly with the lighter rods? It would hurt to put together your engine in a rush only to have poor compression 20k miles later after 500+whp.

My setup should be up and running well sometime in August -- I'm doing a ton of other things like control arms, coilovers, crank-rebalance, light bore, meth injection etc.

Das General
07-13-2008, 11:14 PM
Clint and I made some acquisitions on some honing tools and engine building tools..we are not messing with the crank though, as we feel that will be the least of our problems as of know. Considering the mileage on the car, the cylinder walls look pretty good. Most of the work will be done with the head, and breaking in the engine shouldn't be an issue because we are only dealing with the head. The only aspect with the crank will be with assembling the rod bearings and rods. With a lot of help from several BAT A4 guys, we have been making our way just fine! After all they have honed out their motor before and I think they know what they are doing...

The only thing being replaced will be the rods, rod bearings and piston rings. The block isn't changing and the only compression change is due to the headgaskets.

Thank you for looking out ahead 20k miles though.

I don't see how there could be anything wrong with any bends in the manifolds, especially considering the fabricator has a test car. They have been made before... even so, with the engine being out and easily accessible its not like I can't take it to a fabricating buddy (who was originally going to make the mani) down the street to make some adjustments. It helps to know people.

= )

Das General
07-13-2008, 11:15 PM
You must be itching to drive your car!

My car has been down for about 2 months tops. It will be back around the same time as yours.

BTW my OE pistons look mint!

On a side note, I don't need to do coilovers, control arms, and crank balance. I had all my axels and control arms replaced last fall. And as well as teh crank, we discussed that earlier, and it shouldn't be an issue according to the a4 guys that have bored out and built their motors. Ya ya you are gonna say, well an a4 is different from an s4. But you know what, at the same time they are pretty similar.

Das General
07-13-2008, 11:30 PM
And to be honest man, I am not trying to get in to a pissing contest. You have been downing everyone who doesn't run a GT setup. And I think a lot of people are getting annoyed with that.


Why don't you actually support people and their builds? You might think you are trying to help, but you are terribly condescending.

CruzS4
07-13-2008, 11:42 PM
deb, you're in yunk, right? drinks, brewpub, pronto

Das General
07-13-2008, 11:44 PM
haha yes I am in the yunk. I am back in Boston though. I will back in the yunk at the end of July. BTW brew-pub is my spot, but for real success I hit up Bourbon Bleu

CruzS4
07-14-2008, 12:04 AM
ha i hear you, though bourbon bleu makes you wear your hat frontwards (ftl). pitchers if you really don't feel like spending money. pm me when you're back around philly we should have some good times talking about the absurd threads posted on this forum over some beers

Das General
07-14-2008, 12:36 AM
hahah awesome, will do. we gotta bring Mark out, aka NastyNogaro, he lives right up the street from me.

lil' is 300
07-14-2008, 09:30 AM
Damn Deb -- you were really ranting the other night [>_<]

I'm not talking down on anyone, I just don't think you'll be done in early-mid August. No one "has" to re-balance the crank -- but if you're putting in lighter rods, it's not a bad idea to do it before you re-build everything and put the engine back in. I think at the very least you should replace the crank bearings...

I'm not the ignorant kind that thinks a 1.8 isn't the same as a 2.7. Engines are all the same. But most 1.8's aren't seeing 500+whp and 8000rpm in their builds... so they might not be replacing all the parts they should be and re-balancing the crank. Just because your heads are built doesn't mean your crank assembly isn't spinning just as fast...

AudiA4_20T
07-14-2008, 10:24 AM
Damn Deb -- you were really ranting the other night [>_<]

I'm not talking down on anyone, I just don't think you'll be done in early-mid August. No one "has" to re-balance the crank -- but if you're putting in lighter rods, it's not a bad idea to do it before you re-build everything and put the engine back in. I think at the very least you should replace the crank bearings...

I'm not the ignorant kind that thinks a 1.8 isn't the same as a 2.7. Engines are all the same. But most 1.8's aren't seeing 500+whp and 8000rpm in their builds... so they might not be replacing all the parts they should be and re-balancing the crank. Just because your heads are built doesn't mean your crank assembly isn't spinning just as fast...

To answer these thoughts.

1. We are not touching the crank, to be honest, the amount of work that taking the crank out entails + new crank bolt, bearings, etc dont seem to be worth it. Chris Tapp has done rods on the Tial kit and its running fine. TONS of 1.8T guys just slap in rods and are good to go.

2. I have a brand spanking new flex hone that I will be using to rehone the cylinders and we will be re-ringing the pistons. We will be doing upgraded rod bearings though

3. I know youve seen how engine building goes, theres much theory behind it. People say "well if the engine is out, you might as well..." or "You could skimp on this, but how would you feel if your motor blew up xx miles down the line because you didnt do this"... To be honest, its really all theory. Im sure there are engines that have been fully assembled and blown up in 100 miles, and guys that have just slapped rods on without even re-ringing their pistons and put 30k+ miles on the engines. After learning a ton about this me and Derek feel that doing the rods with upgraded rod bearings and new rings with a fresh hone should be perfectly sufficient for what he wants.

Im well aware of your thoughts on the manifolds and something not fitting right, I went through plenty of that (and I am right now with less than a week left to get my turbo setup together and my pistons/rods sitting on my kitchen table) I think Derek might be underestimating it a bit but well take it 1 step at a time

J-tec
07-14-2008, 10:44 AM
I don't know why i never came across this thread Derick, but fuck im glad i did now. HOLY SHIT this is gunna be a monster

highPSI-S4
07-14-2008, 11:19 AM
What size turbo are you running that thing is huge?

Das General
07-14-2008, 01:31 PM
Yeah sorry Alex, I was just annoyed with some people and I took some heat out on you. I see where you are coming from and I do respect your thoughts towards the crank.

Jonny, if all goes well the car will be back up in Boston by the end of August, i'll take you guys for a spin.

HighPSI, it is an s366 turbo t4 twinscroll, 4" inlet 82lb/min flow around a .91 A/R...the turbo is on par with a 4088r with claims that it will spool quicker. The turbo is rated for 600-800whp applcations, of course depending on displacement and tune, the spool and powerband can vary.

With regards to the manifolds. I am not saying it will always be perfect the first time around. But please keep in mind he has made this manifold before, unless he is lying out of his ass about fabrication time. I don't see how it could be delayed very long. Worst case scenario it doesn't fit. And it has to be tweaked. I could either have someone local fix it or mail it back...I just don't see that delaying a project months.

Das General
07-14-2008, 01:35 PM
It will be on the streets for H2O that is for sure.

Tallbino
07-14-2008, 11:23 PM
OMG dude that is awesome... I may have to make my way down to the yunk sometime to see this beast when it's done!

quickdub
07-15-2008, 04:29 PM
I agree that the main bearings of the crankshaft might be in great, re-usable condition... but how would you know that without removing the 2-4 bolts and visually inspecting the babbit? I think it would be well worth loosening a few bolts to make a valid assessment of any damage.
I think people on here are actually just trying to help keep you out of trouble... not hating on a frugal mod'er.

Also, if you do lighten the rods, it is HIGHLY recommended you re-balance your crank to remove the excess counterweight in the crank for the heavier rods/piston assemblies. Balancing a V-6 is much more difficult than any other engine, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth it. Remember, you almost always get what you pay for.

AudiA4_20T
07-16-2008, 05:53 AM
I agree that the main bearings of the crankshaft might be in great, re-usable condition... but how would you know that without removing the 2-4 bolts and visually inspecting the babbit? I think it would be well worth loosening a few bolts to make a valid assessment of any damage.
I think people on here are actually just trying to help keep you out of trouble... not hating on a frugal mod'er.

Also, if you do lighten the rods, it is HIGHLY recommended you re-balance your crank to remove the excess counterweight in the crank for the heavier rods/piston assemblies. Balancing a V-6 is much more difficult than any other engine, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth it. Remember, you almost always get what you pay for.

We may do this, I hate getting that crank bolt off, nothing I have can get at it.

onemoremile
07-17-2008, 01:15 PM
Have a machine shop balance the entire rotating assembly from the crank pulley back to the clutch. No need to remove the crank unless the counterweights are way too much for the new rods.

cjslapshot
07-31-2008, 05:34 PM
Derek.

Come to NJ.[drive]

Fornicate with younger females.[o_o]

Build a 600whp S4..[wrench]

/Thread.

AudiA4_20T
07-31-2008, 05:36 PM
Have a machine shop balance the entire rotating assembly from the crank pulley back to the clutch. No need to remove the crank unless the counterweights are way too much for the new rods.

what? you cant balance the assembly without the crank coming out...

Das General
08-01-2008, 10:39 PM
Derek.

Come to NJ.[drive]

Fornicate with younger females.[o_o]

Build a 600whp S4..[wrench]

/Thread.

I'm coming to NJ! Parts are on the way too!

The beast (temp. name for this badboy) is coming along.

BTW who was that hot blonde bittie from that party on the shore. I told Clint to put in a good word for me, but I think he neglected to do so. Typical. Anyways, tell her I'm down for some making out etc.

Das General
08-04-2008, 11:07 PM
Sorry guys, I was back home in Boston for the past month and I did virtually nothing car related. I ordered up a bunch of parts. Pauter rods came in the mail the other day, thanks to Justin.

Waiting on a ton of goodies from 034, thank you Issam and Jake for giving us the direction and idea on parts!. I had been going through withdrawel from not seeing my turbo, as I only got to snap a couple camera phone pictures before I left my Philadelphia apartment.

Picked up my old intake manifold, and I gotta do some work to that as well as the fueling setup.

So here is a better picture of the new turbo next to my old big ass K04.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/BigDawg.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/BigDawg2.jpg

and hooray intake manifold finally in my arms and ready to get worked

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/Intakemanifold.jpg

Das General
08-07-2008, 06:13 PM
Fixed up some gear. Busted out the good old dremel. Thought I'd give you an idea as to what is coming.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/paintedgoods.jpg

We have the s366 turbo, Pauter Rods, new rod bearings, new main bearings, 034 retainers/springs, Supertech exhaust valves, 2.8 30v heads, TiAL 44 WG, 034 Trans mounts, 034 lower compression HG's, 034 Phonelic intake spacers (2.8 size duh). And one rolled up black argyle sock.

Waiting on the manifold and downpipe and we should be good to crank her up!

NastyNogaro
08-07-2008, 06:17 PM
[eek]

flippin sick brah

tial 44mm gate ftw

sean1.8t
08-07-2008, 06:22 PM
im going to paypal you $5 if you finish building and tuning this thing before MAKK finishes his kit [:p]

VonPooper
08-07-2008, 06:29 PM
you find that screw yet dude?

highPSI-S4
08-07-2008, 06:31 PM
It's coming along. Can't wait to see the final results. looks sick[wrench]

NOVAS4
08-07-2008, 06:32 PM
aww look at my cute little k04

Das General
08-07-2008, 07:34 PM
hahaha I haven't found the screw yet. but we did drop another screw accidentally...

Setup should be done at the very end of August, it is coming down to when the manifolds are here. The tune will not be done by the end of August, as I will be running a tweaked stage 3 file with my 750cc injectors and 85mm MAF. We also have plans to push a FULL single turbo kit which will include everything; manifolds, exhaust, turbo, wastegates, oil/coolant lines, fmic, fueling/tune, all for around the cost of a full K04 setup.

But I won't mention anything else, because I am not a paying advertiser nor is my car complete. Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up if you are looking to make some serious power in the future.


[up]

317ssayzarc
08-07-2008, 07:43 PM
Waiting on a ton of goodies from 034, thank you Issam.

No love Derek? [=(]

Building your motor AND giving you my cut on the sale... Ouch! [>_<][:p]

Das General
08-07-2008, 07:45 PM
No love Derek? [=(]

Building your motor AND giving you my cut on the sale... Ouch! [>_<][:p]

BIG UPS TO JAKE! Ooops. It was our phone call to you a while back that got us juiced for this project. I didn't know you were helping Clint with the assembly process. I will be back up in NJ once the rods and heads get back on.

317ssayzarc
08-07-2008, 07:46 PM
BIG UPS TO JAKE! Ooops.

Haha all is well... I enjoy helping with innovative projects like this Derek, even at my own expense [cool]

Das General
08-07-2008, 07:51 PM
Hook ups on parts is always a plus and I got you to thank for it.

Once the clutch is broken in and the tune is good I'll give you the keys for a day. Pick up chicks, race neons, whatever you like.

317ssayzarc
08-07-2008, 07:53 PM
It was our phone call to you a while back that got us juiced for this project. I didn't know you were helping Clint with the assembly process. I will be back up in NJ once the rods and heads get back on.

Nice, glad I could get this going! Clint was going to bring the motor up here when he comes to get his block from F&H Machine/Bob Q.... I'm then going to assemble his motor and then assemble yours as well from what I understood... Sounds like you and Clint need to talk lol [:D]

317ssayzarc
08-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Hook ups on parts is always a plus and I got you to thank for it.

Once the clutch is broken in and the tune is good I'll give you the keys for a day. Pick up chicks, race neons, whatever you like.

How about you keep those keys and we have some friendly rounds with my A4? THEN Ill take the keys that night, swap my HRE's on your car, and go pick up chicks [:d]

Das General
08-07-2008, 07:56 PM
hahah yeaaaa, Clint doesn't tell me anything. I have been out of the loop for the past month.

I know the engine is in good hands!

Das General
08-07-2008, 07:58 PM
How about you keep those keys and we have some friendly rounds with my A4? THEN Ill take the keys that night, swap my HRE's on your car, and go pick up chicks [:d]

I am more than down to do some runs against a big dog fully built A4.

What is the matter, Superleggeras aren't fly enough? They aren't wide like your kicks.

317ssayzarc
08-07-2008, 08:03 PM
I am more than down to do some runs against a big dog fully built A4.

What is the matter, Superleggeras aren't fly enough? They aren't wide like your kicks.

Actually I was really looking for a set of SL's for a while... I love the SL's on my dads done up A6 2.7T, plus they have the clearance for my Big Reds... Then I came across the HRE's for cheap, they will be done being expertly refinished for 200 bucks this week... Its nice to have connects [;)]

I hope to run 275's all around eventually, once the widebody is done this winter and I get wider lips up front... It'll be 245 and 275 for now [down]

Das General
08-07-2008, 08:21 PM
Yeah, you can't pass up on a good set of HRE's.

I like your move to change to 550 or bust. You are gonna need all 550 to hang with me!

317ssayzarc
08-07-2008, 08:25 PM
Yeah, you can't pass up on a good set of HRE's.

I like your move to change to 550 or bust. You are gonna need all 550 to hang with me!

I would sure hope so with a 35% larger motor... I wish I could afford an S4 right now, but I just cant swing it while Im still in school... I have big plans for an R32 motor in the A4, but thats about a year from now...

Das General
08-07-2008, 08:33 PM
I would sure hope so with a 35% larger motor... I wish I could afford an S4 right now, but I just cant swing it while Im still in school... I have big plans for an R32 motor in the A4, but thats about a year from now...

034 is rubbing off on you...VR6 turbo for the next setup? That is what I originally wanted to do.

317ssayzarc
08-07-2008, 08:58 PM
034 is rubbing off on you...VR6 turbo for the next setup? That is what I originally wanted to do.

Yea its nice to have all the parts available... It makes it easy... I just dont have the 5k to buy an R32 motor, the 4k to build it, the 7k for the turbo and intake/fmic setup, the 3k for brakes, 2k for coils, ect ect ect... Just buying standalone I had to sell my current tune and my other wheels [headbang]

sean1.8t
08-07-2008, 10:41 PM
Yea its nice to have all the parts available... It makes it easy... I just dont have the 5k to buy an R32 motor, the 4k to build it, the 7k for the turbo and intake/fmic setup, the 3k for brakes, 2k for coils, ect ect ect... Just buying standalone I had to sell my current tune and my other wheels [headbang]

who says you need to build the .:R motor? HG and some rod bolts and you're good to go man. now get that project going faster[wrench] [:D]

Das General
08-08-2008, 12:10 AM
who says you need to build the .:R motor? HG and some rod bolts and you're good to go man. now get that project going faster[wrench] [:D]

Slap a 35r on it and call it a day!

tike0rz
08-08-2008, 07:55 AM
Slap a 35r on it and call it a day!

dude clean your f'in house...that wood floor resembles a litter box [>_<]

317ssayzarc
08-08-2008, 11:02 AM
Slap a 35r on it and call it a day!

If I do another build, I want 800whp... Thats just what I want... Im thinking a 4094R .95 AR... Its just dreams at the moment but so was a 11/10 sec A4, 6 months ago lol [evilsmile]

onemoremile
08-08-2008, 11:19 AM
what? you cant balance the assembly without the crank coming out...

That depends on the shop and their equipment. There are some that can do the pieces separately or do the whole bottom end as an assembly. As an assembly is where the real balance issues come out anyway - especially with the clutch.

onemoremile
08-08-2008, 11:24 AM
This looks like a hell of a project. Interesting choice on the turbo too. I've been talking to Bullseye for more than a year about their turbos.

FYI - you can get that turbo on a ball bearing center section. Bullseye won't do it but Blouch will.

Das General
08-08-2008, 11:30 AM
Interesting. That was one of the only real drawbacks with the BW/Bullseye, was the lack of BB assemblies. I figured I'd take a chance with the journal. I'd be interested to see what kind of CHRA's Blouch could put in this setup.

I've also heard BB weren't great for real high boost applications. I want to run some serious boost.

Daft
08-08-2008, 11:54 AM
That turbo is nice and all but, the black argyle sock is gonna look baller on there!!!![:D]

onemoremile
08-08-2008, 12:03 PM
That turbo is nice and all but, the black argyle sock is gonna look baller on there!!!![:D]

That isn't for the car. He's going to make sweet love to it.

Das General
08-08-2008, 12:07 PM
It is gonna be a plain white sock by the time I am done with it.

onemoremile
08-08-2008, 12:18 PM
Interesting. That was one of the only real drawbacks with the BW/Bullseye, was the lack of BB assemblies. I figured I'd take a chance with the journal. I'd be interested to see what kind of CHRA's Blouch could put in this setup.

I've also heard BB weren't great for real high boost applications. I want to run some serious boost.



I've heard it said both ways. Some on the Bullseye forums blew several BW center sections running high boost for drags before switching back to Garret solved the problem. All I know is that if the BW wheels are the most efficient and the Garrett BB CHRA is the most efficient then together they should be incredible.

Chad Block is the one that referred me to Blouch. I think it was Jake that I talked to but he said he found the BW/Bullseye/Airwerks extended tips wheels weren't nearly as efficient as claimed and not up to par with Garrett's GTxxxxR lineup. While I'm tempted to believe someone in his position I don't see how people get such incredible performance and spool out of such over-hyped wheels. They are definitely doing something right. I only know of a couple people running them on a 1.8t (bassed, Marc at autoxtrem) and they both say they are amazing.


[t3 .70a/r s362] on race gas and 32psi made 608whp 510ft/lbs on conservative tune
over 500whp on pump gas and 24psi
Thanks Dave for a great turbo and track times on the way
Full boost was at 4450rpm on a built 2.0 20v vw motor

Dyno of above. (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/autoxtrem/IMG_1094.jpg)


well my last turbo was a gt32r40 on a 2.0 16v with automatic

made 410whp 283ft/lbs@20psi pump gas but no power at all till 6500rpm.

your right all the garrett guys don' t know what theyre missing, im sure glad im running it


a S258 with log manifold T3 .55 SS housing turbo makes full boost (28-29psi @3900rpm) and produces 418WHP 387ft/lbs at the wheels on race gas and stock ME7 ecu Tuned by Eurodyne.ca

motor is a Stock small port head/intake/Tb with EI rods.

^^ That is 30r power with 28rs spool! Looks pretty damn efficient to me.

Das General
08-08-2008, 12:35 PM
Yeah the spool characteristics are really what sold me.

I have a T4 twinscroll, which I am hoping will make up a couple hundred RPMS of spool. With 2.7 pushing the s366 I am hoping to see full boost in the 4800 range, but with a rev limiter of just under 8500.

Our goal is 600whp on pump, with a fairly aggressive tune.

dougyfresh
08-08-2008, 03:18 PM
Who's building your cylinder heads?


Might want to find those screws you lost. [:p]

317ssayzarc
08-08-2008, 03:31 PM
That is 30r power with 28rs spool! Looks pretty damn efficient to me.

Wasnt me that downed the BW wheels... Thats all an HTA is btw, a BW on a GT... And as to your quote above, any 28rs thats spooling at 3900 is fucked lol, 3200 is more like it...

Das General
08-08-2008, 03:34 PM
Who's building your cylinder heads?


Might want to find those screws you lost. [:p]

Cylinder heads are getting a light hone. I haven't inspected the cylinder walls, but there shouldn't be an scoring. But I believe Clint/Jake will give them a light hone.

Pistons are OE, just re-ringed.

onemoremile
08-08-2008, 03:42 PM
Wasnt me that downed the BW wheels... Thats all an HTA is btw, a BW on a GT... And as to your quote above, any 28rs thats spooling at 3900 is fucked lol, 3200 is more like it...

Jake Blouch, not you. I should have said 2871r. Everyone has different results though.

The HTA wheels are not from BW. The principle is similar though.

317ssayzarc
08-08-2008, 06:22 PM
Jake Blouch, not you. I should have said 2871r. Everyone has different results though.

The HTA wheels are not from BW. The principle is similar though.

I was told by a very turbo savvy guy who also does custom HTA's himself that its the BW billet extended tip wheel in the compressor housing... Theres too many damn Jakes lol [:o]

onemoremile
08-08-2008, 07:35 PM
That's what I thought too. The HTA shroud looks like it feeds the second set of blades but it is hard to tell from their pics.

Months ago I left voicemails and emails for Forced Performance saying I was going to buy a Bullseye until I saw the HTA and it's similarities. I asked for more info and never got a reply.

dougyfresh
08-10-2008, 10:35 AM
Cylinder heads are getting a light hone. I haven't inspected the cylinder walls, but there shouldn't be an scoring. But I believe Clint/Jake will give them a light hone.

Pistons are OE, just re-ringed.



No, the cylinder heads. Who is lapping the valve faces, installing the valves, springs and retainers and cams? Curious parties want to know.

Das General
08-10-2008, 02:42 PM
No, the cylinder heads. Who is lapping the valve faces, installing the valves, springs and retainers and cams? Curious parties want to know.

Ohhh Si. Jake and Clint are lending a hand. I am not sure what their intentions are...as they are taking my block/heads to a shop to work the crank the bolt off, as well as balance everything, while it is there. Whether they bring it to a shop to have those items installed I am not sure. Clint seemed to be content on being able to install springs/valves etc. But I don't think he would be able to do the lapping.

I would assume Clint or Jake have something in mind though. I haven't spoken with either in a couple of days though, and I don't think Clint has the heads ready to go yet either because parts are still on the way.

AudiA4_20T
08-10-2008, 05:35 PM
Ohhh Si. Jake and Clint are lending a hand. I am not sure what their intentions are...as they are taking my block/heads to a shop to work the crank the bolt off, as well as balance everything, while it is there. Whether they bring it to a shop to have those items installed I am not sure. Clint seemed to be content on being able to install springs/valves etc. But I don't think he would be able to do the lapping.

I would assume Clint or Jake have something in mind though. I haven't spoken with either in a couple of days though, and I don't think Clint has the heads ready to go yet either because parts are still on the way.

we have to talk lol

Das General
08-10-2008, 06:14 PM
Yeah wtf bro. Talk.

AudiA4_20T
08-10-2008, 06:15 PM
Yeah wtf bro. Talk.

lol ok, I cant do the heads myself, me and jake are building the block though. Whats the deal with the manifolds?

Das General
08-10-2008, 06:16 PM
Yeah I figured you couldn't do it yourself. Hence my post a couple hours ago.

Manifold man told me to call him tomorrow. That should be squared away by the end of the day.

ILoveT
08-10-2008, 06:17 PM
Terbocharging!

317ssayzarc
08-22-2008, 06:06 PM
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Das General
08-22-2008, 06:18 PM
hahaha, I called him around 5pm. Every 10 seconds he would yell "Fuck, I missed the turn", then "Oh wait, that wasn't the turn..", repeat about 4 times.

I'd also like to thank you ahead of time, appreciate the help!!!!

317ssayzarc
08-22-2008, 09:53 PM
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/cheers.gif

Das General
08-23-2008, 01:50 AM
Did the Clit Commander make it there safely?

You guys getting drunk and building motors?

317ssayzarc
08-23-2008, 06:38 AM
He got here lol... It was too late when he got he to do anything meaningful so we did a tiny bit of work on my b5 and called it a night...

Don Supreme
08-23-2008, 11:31 AM
does that tiny bit of work include installing a wide band?

Reich
08-23-2008, 10:42 PM
Congrats for your setup Derek. That is going to be powerful as nothing like.
BTW. I see your replacing your engine bearings. Can you tell me how bad are the old bearings and how many miles you have on them please? I just want to figure out how mines could be.

Das General
08-23-2008, 11:00 PM
The main bearings are being replaced because the crank is getting worked on for new rods and rebalancing. If I wasn't doing rods then I wouldn't be touching the crank/mean bearings.

goohead
08-23-2008, 11:55 PM
Yeah the spool characteristics are really what sold me.

I have a T4 twinscroll, which I am hoping will make up a couple hundred RPMS of spool. With 2.7 pushing the s366 I am hoping to see full boost in the 4800 range, but with a rev limiter of just under 8500.

Our goal is 600whp on pump, with a fairly aggressive tune.


i think your setting your goal a little high, i hope you do make it but im trying to make 600whp on pump on a 3.0 2jz, 280 cams, head work, and its only RWD and im looking at a s374. the s366 will flow up to 600hp+ its going to be hard to get that high on pump gas w/o detenation, maybe run some E85 or meth?

the s366 will flow like 71mm on the garret lineup and still spool like a 67mm, take a look at the 10" or 11" racing cover, check out TPS in tampa, they been doing some testing and development for bullseye, theres not much info on their website but give them a call and they can send you over some aem logs and dyno sheets or check out the tuning section over at supraforums (and the prices listed are not correct)

http://www.tpswestpalm.com/list.html

oh and i used to be all hung up on Double BB or Triple BB, but the bullseye ETT is superior using journal bearings. and if you compare, the shaft on the bullseye turbos are usually bigger compared to the same size garret turbos, making it more high psi friendly

Das General
08-24-2008, 12:13 AM
A lot of Honda guys run the s366, and their tiny displacement is gettingg them in the 700whp range. The turbo is rated for 600-800whp applications, granted I don't expect the extreme ends, but I always run fairly aggressive pump gas tunes. It is alll in the tune.

With a built head, and lower compression, I plan to rev the hell of the motor, and run a considerable amount of boost/timing. On the contrary, we will be using meth as well, but I expect better numbers with meth.

I like to raise the bar.

I'd like to run e85, but there is only one station around here, and I don't feel like carrying two ECU's with me all the time. If I can't make 650, I will always have the easy option of swapping in a large 372 or 374, as they in the 300 series turbos.

317ssayzarc
08-24-2008, 07:11 AM
Well if you really want to make sure you can get 600 on pump, lower the comp ratio

goohead
08-24-2008, 08:26 AM
Like I said I wish you luck, I hope to see you pull those # from the 66mm, if you do I will be impressed. Those honda are probably doing 9500rpm, 30+ psi and on race gas, hard to run straight pump gas at those boost levels, but I can be wrong. 600whp is doable just got to get the octane up :)

if I had e85 out here I would run that straight 100% of the time



A lot of Honda guys run the s366, and their tiny displacement is gettingg them in the 700whp range. The turbo is rated for 600-800whp applications, granted I don't expect the extreme ends, but I always run fairly aggressive pump gas tunes. It is alll in the tune.

With a built head, and lower compression, I plan to rev the hell of the motor, and run a considerable amount of boost/timing. On the contrary, we will be using meth as well, but I expect better numbers with meth.

I like to raise the bar.

I'd like to run e85, but there is only one station around here, and I don't feel like carrying two ECU's with me all the time. If I can't make 650, I will always have the easy option of swapping in a large 372 or 374, as they in the 300 series turbos.

goohead
08-24-2008, 08:29 AM
You will probably get there with meth no problem,

Nebone
08-24-2008, 11:02 AM
Engine is under surgery

http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee329/dubaudiri/DSC_0101.jpg

Rest of photos below, I was there for the disassembly to my photographic "skills" won't be there today for the installs.

Album (http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee329/dubaudiri/?albumview=grid)

jibberjive
08-24-2008, 04:45 PM
Wait, you're only running one wastegate on the twin scroll manifolds? Correct me if I'm wrong, but both paths stay seperated all the way til it goes through the turbo, so how are you only using one?

Das General
08-24-2008, 08:25 PM
Wait, you're only running one wastegate on the twin scroll manifolds? Correct me if I'm wrong, but both paths stay seperated all the way til it goes through the turbo, so how are you only using one?

Yup, only 1, plenty of twin scroll setups run 1 wastegate. The pulse is separated...

http://www.mpfab.com/gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/DSCF0004_edited_1.jpg

That is one way of doing it. You don't necessarily have to have two separate paths of flow. As long as the pulls is separate before the gate.

Reich
08-24-2008, 09:07 PM
Just ran my bullseye again tonight ___\ man that's way more powerfull than stage two with same boost. Very hapy with the result. Can't wait to see more tune to 450. Im amazed of your project. Your pushing the limits. Look's like a long way before running[:|]. Hope to see this preaty soon. Good luck.

Simon L.

AudiA4_20T
08-25-2008, 01:17 AM
All I can say is your guys damn S4 motor is the most over-engineered complicated motor ever lol

MiniRS4
08-25-2008, 01:20 AM
Just ran my bullseye again tonight ___\ man that's way more powerfull than stage two with same boost. Very hapy with the result. Can't wait to see more tune to 450. Im amazed of your project. Your pushing the limits. Look's like a long way before running[:|]. Hope to see this preaty soon. Good luck.

Simon L.

it should be a rocket, but wont be running til summer 09. [:D]

Das General
08-25-2008, 01:21 AM
Just ran my bullseye again tonight ___\ man that's way more powerfull than stage two with same boost. Very hapy with the result. Can't wait to see more tune to 450. Im amazed of your project. Your pushing the limits. Look's like a long way before running[:|]. Hope to see this preaty soon. Good luck.

Simon L.

My car has been down since May. Back then we were just planning everything out and ordering parts. Now all of the parts are finally here, it is building the block/head, then reassembling everything. After that, we gotta break in the motor and get tuned.

It is getting closer and closer everyday, and should be cranking over very soon!

Das General
08-25-2008, 01:22 AM
it should be a rocket, but wont be running til summer 09. [:D]

Tisk Tisk, not everyone is as pokey as you!!! Fall of 09. I got QM numbers to beat.

MiniRS4
08-25-2008, 01:27 AM
Tisk Tisk, not everyone is as pokey as you!!! Fall of 09. I got QM numbers to beat.

hee heeeeee...

just breakin ur stones (that means i like ya).

yea... lots of heads who are doin DIY builds dont quite know what they are in for... you know you got my back.

GIIIT 'R DONNNNNE!!!

Das General
08-25-2008, 01:59 AM
hee heeeeee...

just breakin ur stones (that means i like ya).

yea... lots of heads who are doin DIY builds dont quite know what they are in for... you know you got my back.

GIIIT 'R DONNNNNE!!!

Truth. So when are you gonna tell me what turbos you are running this year...

Or am I gonna have to track down your noggy and find out for myself?

Haaazzaah!


And a big thank you [wrench] to Clint and Jake for doing serious work this weekend.

CruzS4
08-25-2008, 03:20 AM
god damn you guys took a lot of pics. the towncar limo is a nice touch. and wtf is in the "box of culture"

highPSI-S4
08-25-2008, 08:08 AM
Looking good guys[up]

So you guys are doing all the internal stuff yourself. do you have a full pick of those manifolds?

AudiA4_20T
08-25-2008, 09:23 AM
Looking good guys[up]

So you guys are doing all the internal stuff yourself. do you have a full pick of those manifolds?

full pick? There should be a few options in the future for manifolds

317ssayzarc
08-25-2008, 10:28 AM
And a big thank you [wrench] to Clint and Jake for doing serious work this weekend.

Yea boi [cool]... 2.7t's are the most complicated things in the world, opening that thing reminded me of the first time I opened up a porsche motor [o_o]

AudiA4_20T
08-25-2008, 11:15 AM
6 bolt mains FTMFL

Das General
08-25-2008, 11:31 AM
How is the surgery?

AudiA4_20T
08-25-2008, 11:40 AM
your motor is back in the red monster, itll be done in 2 weeks, you owe me so big time

Das General
08-25-2008, 11:43 AM
What do you mean it will be done in two weeks? Heads done in two weeks? Or it will be completely assembled.

I'll write down this I.O.U. in my accounts payable ledger.

AudiA4_20T
08-25-2008, 12:06 PM
What do you mean it will be done in two weeks? Heads done in two weeks? Or it will be completely assembled.

I'll write down this I.O.U. in my accounts payable ledger.

we didnt get to finish it, so Im driving back up to RI just to assemble your motor, YGPM

Nebone
08-25-2008, 01:36 PM
Why didn't you just leave the motor with Jake?

AudiA4_20T
08-25-2008, 01:38 PM
Why didn't you just leave the motor with Jake?

wasnt my place, I already left the engine stand there and made of a mess of everything, I felt like I couldnt ask him to keep the motor for another 2 weeks

317ssayzarc
09-17-2008, 05:00 PM
wasnt my place, I already left the engine stand there and made of a mess of everything, I felt like I couldnt ask him to keep the motor for another 2 weeks

I have my own shop now... Come drop it off

Das General
09-17-2008, 08:42 PM
Oh nice. Clint was just going to bring it down to MD. We might have to bring it down to MD, as that is where the manifolds will now be completed.

Clint and I will be getting the car towed to Rays. As you may or may not have noticed, we had a serious hold-up in production of the manifold. Should be squared away now. And the heads should be ready from Bobs.

317ssayzarc
09-18-2008, 05:08 AM
So who's building the motor?

AudiA4_20T
09-18-2008, 08:14 AM
lol you are dude... Or me, but who knows how risky that would be LOL

317ssayzarc
09-18-2008, 10:44 AM
We'll throw it in the back of the limo at H20 lol

Das General
09-18-2008, 11:11 AM
You are going back to RI after H2O? Can you pick her back up on the way... that would be amazing.

Once that is done, I can get the motor back on to the chassis to bring down to MD for Ray Ray.

J-tec
09-18-2008, 12:21 PM
Whens it gunna be done MAN!?! I wana see this thing / shoot awesome videos of it

Das General
09-18-2008, 02:38 PM
hahah Jonny, we got held up, as the guy that was originally supposed to make the manifolds went MIA. we had to resort to our contingency plan. I've said "it will be done in 4 weeks" before...but now I can say it will most likely, probably be done in about 5 weeks.

317ssayzarc
09-18-2008, 03:01 PM
You are going back to RI after H2O? Can you pick her back up on the way... that would be amazing.

Once that is done, I can get the motor back on to the chassis to bring down to MD for Ray Ray.

Why not just bring it ALL to me? [cool]

Das General
09-18-2008, 03:35 PM
can you make me a manifold? if you can, i will push my car to RI tomorrow.

317ssayzarc
09-18-2008, 06:50 PM
planning on owning a TIG in the coming months and I have access to a TIG anytime pretty much [;)]

Das General
09-18-2008, 06:59 PM
Jake, how much scrilla do want for the block build...send me a PM and what not. I also need to order some more parts. Clint broke some shit.

317ssayzarc
09-18-2008, 07:58 PM
Nice talking with you Derek, lets get this rolling son!

sean1.8t
09-18-2008, 07:59 PM
"2 weeks"

[;)]

Das General
09-18-2008, 08:09 PM
Nice talking with you Derek, lets get this rolling son!

Good chat Sir! It is nice to know that the horizon is near. [:D]

ahahha 2 weeks, something like that.

J-tec
09-19-2008, 10:00 AM
Sounds good derek, i just wanna see this thing! I'll have my HD vid camera by then hopefully.. if you're in mass when its done, then we'll have to do it up [up][:D]

Das General
12-04-2008, 11:41 AM
Quick update. Things are coming along slowly but surely. The entire car was towed from NJ to Rhode Island. Well, almost the entire car. A few pieces fell back (bumper, bumper shocks etc.)

The heads are all done/built and will get picked up from the machine shop in time. The block was dropped off at the machine shop to get hot tanked, decked etc.

Here are some pics of the goodies. You can see the weight of the pistons being off by 2-3 grams. That will be dealt with in the next couple of days. They will be balanced to within a gram.

Pauters sittin pretty

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/1203081044.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/1203081048.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/1203081046-1.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/1203081045.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/1203081054.jpg

Right now, we are just waiting for the machine shop to finish up the block and waiting on some piping/flanges to arrive. Last time I checked in with Jake, he was giving the block a nice scrub, making it look goooood.

DoWerk Garage doing it up.

Das General
12-04-2008, 12:09 PM
Here is how the car currently sits.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/Howitsits.jpg

AudiSportB5S4
12-04-2008, 12:51 PM
when do you think it's going to be back together derek? looks lonely without a motor haha

AudiA4_20T
12-04-2008, 12:53 PM
when do you think it's going to be back together derek? looks lonely without a motor haha

quite awhile, but this car will be done right... sure as hell costs more money, but Im slowly learning that every time I try to cut a corner I slam into a wall lol

AudiSportB5S4
12-04-2008, 12:58 PM
quite awhile, but this car will be done right... sure as hell costs more money, but Im slowly learning that every time I try to cut a corner I slam into a wall lol

haha, That's true. The S4 knows when you're trying to save time/money and takes it's appropriate actions. [:p]

dougyfresh
12-04-2008, 01:08 PM
Quick update. Things are coming along slowly but surely. The entire car was towed from NJ to Rhode Island. Well, almost the entire car. A few pieces fell back (bumper, bumper shocks etc.)

That's 3am pick-up and delivery for you [;)]

I need to swing by DoWerk and see what's going on.





I might be up near Plaistow NH Sunday morning to pick up some parts for my friend's Jetta. You around? PM me.

AudiA4_20T
12-04-2008, 01:09 PM
haha, That's true. The S4 knows when you're trying to save time/money and takes it's appropriate actions. [:p]

LOL dont worry A4s know this also, I feel like the cars have their own forum to get pissed at us

panix73
12-04-2008, 02:03 PM
Lookin' good Derek.. Slowly but surely things are coming along.. Keep up the good work.

Jung
12-04-2008, 02:11 PM
this is beautiful...

317ssayzarc
12-04-2008, 02:39 PM
That's 3am pick-up and delivery for you [;)]

I need to swing by DoWerk and see what's going on.

You know how to reach me haha...

On your way up to NH, wanna swing by Wooooster MA? I need some 17" wheels picked up [:)]

dougyfresh
12-04-2008, 02:58 PM
You know how to reach me haha...

On your way up to NH, wanna swing by Wooooster MA? I need some 17" wheels picked up [:)]

Just wheels? No tires? I'm actually picking up some 16" steelies in NH. Call me and we'll figure it out. Should be plenty of room in the AVant..

317ssayzarc
12-04-2008, 03:12 PM
Wheels and tires... Trying to get the Golfious some new kicks:

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/longbeaches.jpg

dougyfresh
12-04-2008, 03:41 PM
I'll call you when I leave work (a many hours from now...)

CruzS4
12-04-2008, 03:47 PM
Here is how the car currently sits.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/Howitsits.jpg

I don't want to alarm you, but your motor is missing...

Das General
12-04-2008, 04:46 PM
Yusko: that is a tough question to answer. could be two weeks, could be two years! most likely two months...

Clint: You can come up to RI anytime and help out.

Vin: Thank you for the kind words. You gotta keep us posted on your project. How's she coming along??

Jung: You're beautiful

Jake: If you haven't picked up the wheels by the time I come down, I can scoop them on my way down one day.

Mark: I had no idea I was missing the engine. Thanks for the heads up.

01treyS4
12-04-2008, 07:04 PM
deb what wheels you have on? and size?

dougyfresh
12-04-2008, 07:33 PM
Jake,
You gotta get a real camera. This cell phone pic stuff is FTL

MAKK
12-04-2008, 07:52 PM
Keep on it deb, my motor should be back anytime.... I am ready and waiting for it.

AielloS4
12-04-2008, 07:58 PM
deb what wheels you have on? and size?

they look like 18" OZ SL's to me. Im running the same wheels. 18x8

317ssayzarc
12-04-2008, 08:37 PM
Jake,
You gotta get a real camera. This cell phone pic stuff is FTL

Costs too much money Mr. Fresh [:|]

317ssayzarc
12-04-2008, 08:38 PM
they look like 18" OZ SL's to me. Im running the same wheels. 18x8

Yup [up]...

They are dead sexy [evilsmile]

Das General
12-04-2008, 08:38 PM
deb what wheels you have on? and size?

The wheels in the last pic are 18" OZ Superleggaras. I'd honestly like to go down to 17" kosei kts1, superleggara, or rpf1. But that will be done down the road. First things first.


Keep on it deb, my motor should be back anytime.... I am ready and waiting for it.

Thanks MAKK. Certainly interested in your setup as well.

MAKK
12-05-2008, 09:17 PM
Thanks deb, I want to get it done asap, but you know how it goes...

Reich
12-05-2008, 10:12 PM
Nice work deb. Look's like an other serious beast is coming along.
Keep on the good work and take your time.
I'm fascinate to imagine how that turbo will fit there.

SonicS4
12-05-2008, 10:24 PM
Hey deb, where do you work, and are they hiring? :)

Das General
12-05-2008, 11:59 PM
Hey deb, where do you work, and are they hiring? :)

hahah I am a recent graduate. How about you give me a job!

317ssayzarc
12-11-2008, 10:18 PM
Deeerrreeekkkk

Das General
12-11-2008, 10:19 PM
Deeerrreeekkkk

Jakkkkeeeeee.

I'll call you tomorrow, so we can order material. Material girl.

317ssayzarc
12-11-2008, 10:22 PM
Jakkkkeeeeee.

I'll call you tomorrow, so we can order material. Material girl.

Nah, I gots pics... Want me to post em up?

sean1.8t
12-12-2008, 04:38 AM
YES!!

jibberjive
12-12-2008, 04:48 AM
Double that YES!

AudiSportB5S4
12-12-2008, 05:21 AM
Double that YES!

hey you, we're looking for dyno results...[:p]

jibberjive
12-12-2008, 05:45 AM
Haven't been on here since, just going down my emails and looking at the threads in that order:) look in 2 mins

317ssayzarc
12-12-2008, 11:30 AM
Here's a teaser, since I will be gone for a while...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050581.jpg

Derek, if you aren't Verizon, don't gimme a jingle till after 6-7ish [;)]


Ang guys do't mind the marks in the bores, that's from measuring skirt to wall, out of round, and taper [up]

Das General
12-12-2008, 11:42 AM
Here's a teaser, since I will be gone for a while...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050581.jpg

Derek, if you aren't Verizon, don't gimme a jingle till after 6-7ish [;)]


Ang guys do't mind the marks in the bores, that's from measuring skirt to wall, out of round, and taper [up]

Looks weak!

haha I am Verison. So I will call you sometime later this afternoon. I am going to a shooting range in about an hour. Time to fire some weapons!

Feel free to post up more pics if you want/or are around.

317ssayzarc
12-12-2008, 04:31 PM
Here's a few pics for you guys... Went to go assemble the motor today:

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050580.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050579.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050578.jpg

She's nice and clean!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050577.jpg

Assorted paaahhhttss as they say up in Dereks neck of the woods/hood [:D]

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050576.jpg

Rod bearings ready for action, the slight scatches are nothing to worry about, just from measuring clearances [up]

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050575.jpg

Crank all polished up and balanced, with the cog bead blasted. Not sure if I'm going to replace the cog, the keyway is so fuckin pussy it's unreal [:(] Should really dowel that bitch since we are gonna spin it high...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050574.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050573.jpg

Notice the tiinnnyyy amount of material removed from the inner pin

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050570.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050571.jpg

Notice the tiiinnyyy amount of material removed from the piston... I didn't want to take too much from any one point, so just a little was taken from areas approved as best, hence the tiny amounts taken from two spots (pin and skirt) [up]

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050568.jpg

All of the slugs, rings (gapped) and Pauters

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050567.jpg

Isn't she lovely

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050593.jpg

Squirters in now, as well as the block halves of the main bearings (already measured of course) Ready for the crank to go in [up]

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050597.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/P1050594.jpg

Anybody see what's wrong here? Had to stop building, trying to get the right shit asap [evilmad]

317ssayzarc
12-12-2008, 07:32 PM
My supplier is at an expo in Florida, won't be back till Monday...

Guess shes just gotta sit covered up for a few days Derek [down]

michael66899
12-12-2008, 07:35 PM
Niiiice, its good to see people posting detialed interal pics[up], glad to see your taking all the precautions as well, can't wait for results.

Das General
12-12-2008, 07:45 PM
Niiiice, its good to see people posting detialed interal pics[up], glad to see your taking all the precautions as well, can't wait for results.

Yup. Gotta give a lot of props to Jake. Is doing a solid job with this motor build.

Reich
12-12-2008, 11:57 PM
Yeap. That's a complete job.
Derek... you'll have a beast... seriously
You don't have the same wallet as me for sure[:p].
Nice work 317ssay.

317ssayzarc
12-13-2008, 12:30 AM
I take good care of Derek, I'm not gonna put him into the soup kitchen [:D]

Thanks for the kind words

RenegadeEngr
12-14-2008, 01:58 PM
This is a damn good build....nice engine work, seems people forget about the basics quite a bit...

Das General
01-12-2009, 07:33 PM
The car is done. This is what it looks like. I swapped out the V6 for a Jake2

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/FinishedSetup.jpg

BTW it was nice to finally put some faces to the infamous names!

GURUMAN
01-12-2009, 08:10 PM
Sure you dont need this ?

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/Dom085.jpg

S4evr
01-12-2009, 08:44 PM
Hey Derek, when you move onto new wheels drop me a line, i miss my old wheels lol.

317ssayzarc
01-12-2009, 09:02 PM
The car is done. This is what it looks like. I swapped out the V6 for a Jake2

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/brusind/FinishedSetup.jpg

BTW it was nice to finally put some faces to the infamous names!

Vrrooommm pshhh LOL

Damn I'm sexy [>_<]

Nice to meet you Derek, I look forward to taking the trip to Cali with you on Monday [cool] [;)]

A62TURBO
01-12-2009, 09:07 PM
Sick build guys.

Das General
01-12-2009, 09:25 PM
Thanks. There is still a bit to go.

There will be some alterations to the secondary firewall.
Coolant res. relocated with a smaller tank.
Wiring harness and general wiring will be simplified/relocated.
Battery will be relocated.

Umm I am sure there is more as well..

CruzS4
01-12-2009, 11:55 PM
lookin good dude [up]

dougyfresh
01-13-2009, 07:27 AM
Awesome!

AudiSportB5S4
01-13-2009, 07:47 AM
derek, you think by waterfest this year it will be all ironed out ?

Das General
01-13-2009, 01:33 PM
derek, you think by waterfest this year it will be all ironed out ?

hahah yes, well before then. It will be ready very soon. The motor and clutch will be broken in as soon as it is ready to go. Then I gotta swap in the new fueling setup, and have the toon adjusted.

ExceedSpeed20
01-13-2009, 07:58 PM
Thanks. There is still a bit to go.

There will be some alterations to the secondary firewall.
Coolant res. relocated with a smaller tank.
Wiring harness and general wiring will be simplified/relocated.
Battery will be relocated.

Umm I am sure there is more as well..

Will you be altering your hood before you put the turbo in or after the turbo is connected to your manifold. Can you show us pictures or a diagrahm of where you will be cutting the fire wall. thanks. i just would love to see a picture of something that would prove that you are really putting in a single turbo. a picture of your turbo mounted in position would be nice. thanks again.

Das General
01-13-2009, 08:06 PM
Will you be altering your hood before you put the turbo in or after the turbo is connected to your manifold. Can you show us pictures or a diagrahm of where you will be cutting the fire wall. thanks. i just would love to see a picture of something that would prove that you are really putting in a single turbo. a picture of your turbo mounted in position would be nice. thanks again.

Why would I have to alter the hood? There is plenty of height in the back to fit a 9" compressor housing. The turbo will be mounted directly between both valve covers, behind/slightly below the intake manifold. I'd say approximately 8" will be cut in the lower section of the secondary firewall. That will be cut directly to the left of the brake boost. Essentially the firewall will be moved back 2 inches tops, as that is all the space we really have to work with. A new support will be re-welded inside to seal up the area from where the battery would normally reside. An alternative intake manifold may also be used to allow for a slight increase in space.

I cannot give you any pictures, as the motor is clearly not inside the car yet.

ExceedSpeed20
01-13-2009, 08:24 PM
Why would I have to alter the hood? There is plenty of height in the back to fit a 9" compressor housing. The turbo will be mounted directly between both valve covers, behind/slightly below the intake manifold. I'd say approximately 8" will be cut in the lower section of the secondary firewall. That will be cut directly to the left of the brake boost. Essentially the firewall will be moved back 2 inches tops, as that is all the space we really have to work with. A new support will be re-welded inside to seal up the area from where the battery would normally reside. An alternative intake manifold may also be used to allow for a slight increase in space.

I cannot give you any pictures, as the motor is clearly not inside the car yet.

Between the valve covers? or did you mean between the heads? i believe this is what you ment. based on what you just told me i am going to say that your idea is a good one. believe it or not, you are basically doing it about the same way that im doing mines. good luck. and because this is the first time you ever posted info that really proved to me that you are really doing a singl project... i will say for the first time; GREAT JOB so far.

Das General
01-13-2009, 08:27 PM
Between the valve covers? or did you mean between the heads? i believe this is what you ment. based on what you just told me i am going to say that your idea is a good one. believe it or not, you are basically doing it about the same way that im doing mines. good luck. and because this is the first time you ever posted info that really proved to me that you are really doing a singl project... i will say for the first time; GREAT JOB so far.

Valve covers cover the heads... so we are talking about the same thing. Nice to see someone else taking on a similar project. [up]

The manifolds branches off each bank, with both banks merging over the the trans, with the least amount of piping possible to where the T4 flange is then added on. The hotside of the turbo will most likely be facing the drivers side. Meaning the downpipe will be there, which is why the coolant tank is being relocated to the passenger side, as well as much of the wiring.