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lil' is 300
05-14-2008, 06:43 PM
Enjoy [:)]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6381/cermaiccoatedgtmanifoldzc2.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2598/cermaiccoatedgtmanifoldiu1.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8796/cermaiccoatedgtmanifoldac0.jpg

Rated S
05-14-2008, 06:52 PM
Sex in my tiny pants!
$5? [:D] I'm excited for you, can't wait to get bored of STG 3 to give me an excuse.

lil' is 300
05-14-2008, 06:59 PM
$5 and i'll post up a few more pics. [:p]

BTW, your new avatar is borderline seizure inducing.

highPSI-S4
05-14-2008, 07:00 PM
[O_O]How much are they going for? they look nice, also will there be an option to have them coated?

Reich
05-14-2008, 07:05 PM
Nice exhaust. alot of work on them.

lil' is 300
05-14-2008, 07:05 PM
[O_O]How much are they going for? they look nice, also will there be an option to have them coated?

The ones in the pictures are coated. Here is a pic of my manifolds (uncoated)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3662/gtss006cs3.jpg

As for price, can't post since Shawn isn't an advertiser. Best I can do is give you contact information off the forums.

MiniRS4
05-14-2008, 07:11 PM
lookin good. do they come w or w/o turbos? i want a set for my RS6's. holla

lil' is 300
05-14-2008, 07:26 PM
The GT kit comes with all the hardware (including turbos)...again can't really answer these questions.

I'm sure Shawn could have some tubular headers made up with a stock flange. Hit me up on AIM @ Magicseller - if you want his contact information.

BastardS4
05-14-2008, 07:50 PM
Unlike the competition, these dont crack?

tekkie
05-14-2008, 07:54 PM
looks good what are the gains with these?

BastardS4
05-14-2008, 08:03 PM
uh... massive if you get the TURBOS that bolt onto these.

lil' is 300
05-14-2008, 08:09 PM
Bastard - These manifolds are different than others because it uses schedule 10 instead of 14 or 16 gauge. It is way thicker and actually 3 or 4 lbs heavier than other tubular headers. Also, welding is phenomenal (back purged, full penetration) from a man who is a master at his craft.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5023/mergecollector010zt0.jpg

(10 vs 14...typical header uses even thinner 16 gauge).

generationjdm
05-14-2008, 08:09 PM
SS Schedule 10 1/8th thick fully purged, 5/8th cnc'd head flange... Theres no icing on the inside of the manifolds, the welds are penetrated and smooth on the inside... I never seen a mani crack using this combo, if by some chance or miracle they do as long as i have a breath in my body they will be warranty forever. Those are ceramic coated in the pics...

lil' is 300
05-14-2008, 08:10 PM
looks good what are the gains with these?

These are GT headers, not K04/K03 (hence the V-band wastegate flange and the different turbine flange.)

generationjdm
05-14-2008, 08:11 PM
Alex, some actually even use 18 gauge....

Kruat
05-14-2008, 08:31 PM
Those look amazing...you do wonderful work!!![O_O]

Too bad I'm just not ready to make that jump.[:/]

lil' is 300
05-14-2008, 08:34 PM
more pics [:d]

3'' downpipes all v-band...even wastegate flange is 44mm v-band

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/976/ceramiccoatedgtparts005jo7.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1772/ceramiccoatedgtparts003oc6.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6379/completedgtmanifoldsandvk7.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6664/completedgtmanifoldsandgh0.jpg

RolledMySTi
05-14-2008, 08:35 PM
Wow great looking stuff. Those flanges are extra thick.

Overboostin
05-14-2008, 09:06 PM
I can't wait until I can buy these!

bigverge
05-14-2008, 09:14 PM
Incredible craftmanship! This summer is going to be interesting.

Silver streak
05-14-2008, 09:17 PM
A work of art, I would like to hang those on my wall, after installing a second set in my car. haha I may be calling you soon, no joke.

tekkie
05-14-2008, 09:18 PM
These are GT headers, not K04/K03 (hence the V-band wastegate flange and the different turbine flange.)

ah I did not even catch that lol

pure sex, I am glad I have a tip for once or I would want this :)

ms4cd
05-14-2008, 09:21 PM
I must say that looks impressive! Great Job!

Lil, keep us informed with the install.

S4M3
05-14-2008, 09:25 PM
who makes that kit ? VAGmotorsports ? how much does everything run for ?

Overboostin
05-14-2008, 09:30 PM
generation jdm makes it. pm him

lil' is 300
05-14-2008, 09:50 PM
Alright here is the breakdown.

- Garrett Turbos
- GenX Tubular Manifolds
- GenX 3'' V-Band Downpipes
- GenX Aluminum Inlets
- (2) Tial V44 Wastegates
- Fire sleeved Oil/Vac/Coolant lines
- Couplers/Clamps
- Various hardware (gaskets, bolts)

Jung
05-14-2008, 09:55 PM
thats a fucking sick deal. what kind of fueling will it use? like 60lb injectors? or a custom kit?

EUROTEK//S4
05-14-2008, 10:00 PM
kool

generationjdm
05-14-2008, 10:28 PM
There just about the same price at the end of the day...

NYCVR6
05-14-2008, 10:45 PM
Those are real nice looking manifolds, i wish one set was mine [:D]

Great price too, no question about it. [up]

Eurotuned_A4
05-15-2008, 01:02 AM
quality work there! makes me want a b5 s4 so bad. can wait to see some of these kits running and going.

Overboostin
05-15-2008, 01:05 AM
Alex, do you think you'll be complete by Waterfest?

Jesse S.
05-15-2008, 03:55 AM
Mother F'r.

I could have waited for this. Stuck with the Hybrids. [:(]

panix73
05-15-2008, 07:20 AM
Any reason why you went with jet-hot over swaintech on the manifolds and turbos? Were the manifolds also coated on the insides?

DxC
05-15-2008, 08:34 AM
i think that coating is called cerakote chromex. they probably went with it because its something you can apply yourself and cure in an oven, as opposed to outsourcing to swaintech for super expensive coatings.

all those parts are very nicely made. good job genjdm, cant wait until i see these on your car alex - how are you going to tune it?

TalipseAWD
05-15-2008, 09:04 AM
Very nice .

Dr.Duct
05-15-2008, 09:14 AM
Very nice looking stuff shawn [up]. Nice prices as well.. Good luck with the build guys. Def. seems like a reasonable option over some of the other kits for folks in that market.

Maybe one day..

Very interested in seeing the results after the tune, and seeing how things hold up for gt cars over a year or so..


What kind of fueling are you all expecting to run with the kit??

cjk
05-15-2008, 11:25 AM
damnit...so nice! :)

IM'd you today Alex...was blocked for some reason on AIM? oh'well.

Awesome work as Always Shawn

-Clint

Das General
05-15-2008, 11:55 AM
Wack.

Who would ever want such a nice, quality and affordable product....

Matt@JHM
05-15-2008, 12:02 PM
Got flange? [O_O]

lil' is 300
05-15-2008, 01:44 PM
Fueling will vary based on your turbo selection - in general, it's Siemens 630cc injectors, 85/90mm MAF, Bosch 044 Motorsport fuel pump (not a junky walbro...too many are knock offs or fail) and a RS4 accordian tube.

Highly recommend a custom tune - EPL is a proven reliable source for 2.7t tuning and ASP is capable also (though I highly doubt ASP wants anything to do with this kit since it's nearly 50% less than theirs). I'm sure VAST could whip up a base file, which would involve sending several revised versions/tweaks to nail the tune. Unitronix probably has a lot of base maps as well, but I'm not aware of their availibility (VAG uses them).

generationjdm
05-15-2008, 03:11 PM
I send my stuff to a local guy who does ceramic coating, I don't spray the coating myself..

Theres a few places and choices for tunes right now... Vag,Vast,Epl... Injectors and maf will Depend on your level of hp you desire...

hyperlight944
05-15-2008, 03:18 PM
have you decided on what tuning you will personally run on your car? because i know the people at vast are great guys and great customer service lol...... i wonder how much i can get fro brand new k04's and intlets and awe downpipes ..... cus i have ll of them installed on my car but one of my brand new k04's is taking a dump hah just my luck oh and the order of driving an s4 is as follows lol [O_O][headbang][=(][wrench][drive][race] lol

sCeRaXn
05-15-2008, 04:14 PM
Looks really good man. Whats the difference in them other than the turbo flanges and collector angle/length? Are the larger flanges t3 or t4? Its really hard to tell from the pics, but i was assuming the smaller ones were t28 flanged and the larger were t3. It doesnt really matter, i was just more curios than anything.

Why did you decide to go with the different collector lengths? Ive always been told that the shorter collectors at a larger angle would only be beneficial if it was located on, or near the turbo flange. But id assume that space was the biggest factor in this decision. Im not knocking them in any way shape or form. As i said, the design is really good...and im loving the fact that these are WG priority manifolds. Good shit man!

Audi_S4
05-15-2008, 04:23 PM
have you decided on what tuning you will personally run on your car? because i know the people at vast are great guys and great customer service lol...... i wonder how much i can get fro brand new k04's and intlets and awe downpipes ..... cus i have ll of them installed on my car but one of my brand new k04's is taking a dump hah just my luck oh and the order of driving an s4 is as follows lol [O_O][headbang][=(][wrench][drive][race] lol

one k04 is ruined or what are you saying? or you just wanna sell the whole bunch and buy this GT kit...

revhards4
05-15-2008, 04:38 PM
glad everyone likes them...should be an interesting 2008[evilsmile]

generationjdm
05-15-2008, 04:55 PM
Both manifolds have the same flange on them gt25 flange, the smaller collectors where originally made for me one off, I recently sold them... The longer collector is on or near 15 degrees which is optimum/best...Shorter collector usually make a little more down stairs, but the longer and more optimum angle is all around better... All my stuff will have the longer collector on them from now on....

hachirokukid
05-15-2008, 05:07 PM
what kind of exhuast can you use with these?

stock is out od the question with those v-bands...

lil' is 300
05-15-2008, 08:32 PM
what kind of exhuast can you use with these?

stock is out od the question with those v-bands...

You just need test pipes with V-band flange and then run a pipe adapter that tapers to the desired diameter...no need to run a custom catback, just have test pipes made up or modify your existing ones.

hyperlight944
05-15-2008, 09:02 PM
one k04 is ruined or what are you saying? or you just wanna sell the whole bunch and buy this GT kit...

haha no im saying one is bad as of now but borg warner has a warranty on them and im sending both in so maybe i can ssell the new ones they send me and get this gt kit who knows lol

S4M3
05-15-2008, 09:34 PM
2.7 is maybe to small for this kit is a 3.0 L needed ?

lil' is 300
05-15-2008, 09:35 PM
2.7 is maybe to small for this kit is a 3.0 L needed ?

Definitely not.

generationjdm
05-15-2008, 11:22 PM
2.7 is maybe to small for this kit is a 3.0 L needed ?Theres a dozen or more turbos you can run with many different combinations... Did you see the gt2554 dyno graph a while back, the graph shows the car making more then k04 power at 3200 the gt25ss dominated from there making 518whp on a conservative tune and a total of 98 octane... These turbos and others are very responsive down low and pull through out the power band.... Theres no need for a larger motor with most of the gt stuff

S4M3
05-15-2008, 11:31 PM
Theres a dozen or more turbos you can run with many different combinations... Did you see the gt2554 dyno graph a while back, the graph shows the car making more then k04 power at 3200 the gt25ss dominated from there making 518whp on a conservative tune and a total of 98 octane... These turbos and others are very responsive down low and pull through out the power band.... Theres no need for a larger motor with most of the gt stuff

I didn't see the graph... but that sounds good. what arethe gt2554 good for ? I mean maxed out on race gas ? whp

generationjdm
05-15-2008, 11:51 PM
Let me give you an example of 2 setups on the same dyno so where comparing apples to apples...

Vag ran a maxed out ko4 car on race gas which made 393whp on the unitronics dyno, on the same dyno and 93 octane pump gas they made 478whp with a 50-50 mix of 103 and 93 they made 518whp on a conservative tune and only 25lbs..

On other dynos you could see well over 520whp.

lil' is 300
05-15-2008, 11:54 PM
GT2554R powerband on bone stock 2.7t

http://www.vagmotorsport.ca/gallery/albums/JP%20Audi%20S4%20K04-K24%20Hybrid/S4_HP.jpg

518wtq, 476whp

Approx. 350whp @ 3300rpm, 450whp @ 4000rpm

generationjdm
05-15-2008, 11:56 PM
GT2554R powerband on bone stock 2.7t

http://www.vagmotorsport.ca/gallery/albums/JP%20Audi%20S4%20K04-K24%20Hybrid/S4_HP.jpg

518wtq, 476whp

Approx. 350whp @ 3300rpm, 450whp @ 4000rpmOn 98 octane at a mere 24lbs..Alex, It's 518whp and 478wtq on the 98octane and 478whp on the 93 octane at 22lbs...

lil' is 300
05-16-2008, 12:00 AM
Those numbers were actually with the mix of 103 - regardless, 2554R's still make nasty power down low, no doubt about it.

generationjdm
05-16-2008, 12:01 AM
In the chart he shows the 22lb 91-94 mixed pump gas run and the 24lb race gas run

Overboostin
05-16-2008, 12:03 AM
Alex, will your car be done by waterfest?

lil' is 300
05-16-2008, 12:19 AM
I hope so.

Overboostin
05-16-2008, 12:24 AM
if it is, let me be the first to call shotty!


no blitz!

OneSickSedan
05-16-2008, 02:33 AM
I remember VAG bent a rod on one of their runs. I believe it was on race gas and that they made well over 500 whp. They said that the tune was rock solid but that's probably the most the stock block can handle. Maybe Guru, Alex, or Shawn can shed some more light on this.

If that's the case than I definitely wouldn't be worried about running gt2554's on a stock block because I'm gonna run mine on 91 craptane all the time. I don't think there will be enough power to hurt the block at this point. And if I want I could build the block at a later time for reliability. Plus I know that Guru ran 124 mph in the 1/4 on 91 with a bad clutch. What more would I want than that? And I believe he was on a stock block as well because he's going all out on his motor now.

Hey Shawn you got some really nice stuff for even nicer prices. If I ever get the cash it's probably going to be between yours or VAG's gt2554 kits. Good luck and keep up the work.[up] Can't wait to see how yours and Alex's builds turn out. And Guru your shit is just insane man.

Dr.Duct
05-16-2008, 07:24 AM
I remember VAG bent a rod on one of their runs. I believe it was on race gas and that they made well over 500 whp. They said that the tune was rock solid but that's probably the most the stock block can handle. Maybe Guru, Alex, or Shawn can shed some more light on this.

If that's the case than I definitely wouldn't be worried about running gt2554's on a stock block because I'm gonna run mine on 91 craptane all the time. I don't think there will be enough power to hurt the block at this point. And if I want I could build the block at a later time for reliability. Plus I know that Guru ran 124 mph in the 1/4 on 91 with a bad clutch. What more would I want than that? And I believe he was on a stock block as well because he's going all out on his motor now.

Hey Shawn you got some really nice stuff for even nicer prices. If I ever get the cash it's probably going to be between yours or VAG's gt2554 kits. Good luck and keep up the work.[up] Can't wait to see how yours and Alex's builds turn out. And Guru your shit is just insane man.

If all you want is 124mph in the 1/4 then why even bother with GT's? this is def obtainable with a ko4 setup for half the cost. Yes youll have to run a little race juice, but people act like that is omg, oh so hard to do!

Youll be paying half the cost and getting what you want, and youll be putting less strain on the motor a WOT in your daily use.. because we all like WOT [:D]

generationjdm
05-16-2008, 09:20 AM
Duct, please stop telling everyone how easy it is to run 124mph on k04ss, last i check there where only 3-4 cars doing this with way more stuff then k04s done to the car and weight savings..

Just because a car cracks 124 once or twice at a certain temp on a certain track doesn't make it a solid 124mph car.

Do us all a favor show us how simple it is to go mid 120ss in your k04 car with the full weight full exhaust with nothing else just a k04 kit.. Half the price thats funny, your math is horrible...

Once again Gurus car was running 91 octane, full weight, low boost, hurt car, 1 run, basic gt kit nothing else..

Now just search the forums and see what it takes to go just 117mph on a k04 setup on race gas and maxed boost.

Your comparing a basic small gt setup on 91 octane low boost full weight 1 run HURT CAR full exhaust to a light weight car beyond maxed boost on race gas, no exhaust, all the tricks and hide me secret parts, 100ss of runs, years of tuning/tweaking, different temps and sea levels that may never hit 120mph a handful of times on a certain day..
Your being brainwashed my friend.... Get back to us when YOU do this, until then your only talking...

generationjdm
05-16-2008, 09:24 AM
I remember VAG bent a rod on one of their runs. I believe it was on race gas and that they made well over 500 whp. They said that the tune was rock solid but that's probably the most the stock block can handle. Maybe Guru, Alex, or Shawn can shed some more light on this.

If that's the case than I definitely wouldn't be worried about running gt2554's on a stock block because I'm gonna run mine on 91 craptane all the time. I don't think there will be enough power to hurt the block at this point. And if I want I could build the block at a later time for reliability. Plus I know that Guru ran 124 mph in the 1/4 on 91 with a bad clutch. What more would I want than that? And I believe he was on a stock block as well because he's going all out on his motor now.

Hey Shawn you got some really nice stuff for even nicer prices. If I ever get the cash it's probably going to be between yours or VAG's gt2554 kits. Good luck and keep up the work.[up] Can't wait to see how yours and Alex's builds turn out. And Guru your shit is just insane man.Thanks for the nice words, ya they broke a rod on one of them runs.. The dyno they use is very rough to make power on so the 518whp is very very impressive to be had on that dyno... Ya Guru went 124mph with the car basically still in bed half asleep at full weight on 91 octane low boost with the bad clutch.. With that basic setup theres zero doubt his car with more seat time could of easily snapped in the 130sss...[up]

BastardS4
05-16-2008, 09:45 AM
Now just search the forums and see what it takes to go just 117mph on a k04 setup on race gas and maxed boost.



um....


117mph... 93 octane, ERs, full exhaust, full wieght etc etc... wasnt that hard. Admittedly poor traction hurt my times. but the MPH was consistent 116-117mph.

Dr.Duct
05-16-2008, 10:48 AM
Duct, please stop telling everyone how easy it is to run 124mph on k04ss, last i check there where only 3-4 cars doing this with way more stuff then k04s done to the car and weight savings..

Just because a car cracks 124 once or twice at a certain temp on a certain track doesn't make it a solid 124mph car.

Do us all a favor show us how simple it is to go mid 120ss in your k04 car with the full weight full exhaust with nothing else just a k04 kit.. Half the price thats funny, your math is horrible...

Once again Gurus car was running 91 octane, full weight, low boost, hurt car, 1 run, basic gt kit nothing else..

Now just search the forums and see what it takes to go just 117mph on a k04 setup on race gas and maxed boost.

Your comparing a basic small gt setup on 91 octane low boost full weight 1 run HURT CAR full exhaust to a light weight car beyond maxed boost on race gas, no exhaust, all the tricks and hide me secret parts, 100ss of runs, years of tuning/tweaking, different temps and sea levels that may never hit 120mph a handful of times on a certain day..
Your being brainwashed my friend.... Get back to us when YOU do this, until then your only talking...


hereeeeeeeeeeeeee we go again..

My price index showed it to its entirty.. ALL of the Gt guys claimed it was off, yet failed to fix it when i asked..

Secondly, we compared the most expensive kit out there, to the average gt kit, yours being the cheapest. Your kit in which i cost estimated 800 shy of what you are actually selling it for..

My next point.. you claim Gt cars are SO reliable, and so dependable... Can you show me the one GT car that made a pass that you all said did not have something wrong with it???? Dont worry, ill wait.

Second.. This person stated they did not want to build the motor, or do rods.. Well see how long your GT setups lastwithout rods.. If you really think your seriously going to put enough power through the motor to trap 124 on a "hurt car" and not bend the rods.. WRONG..

We can go on and on with this arguement but its pointless, because at the end of day.. You have nothing more then words, ill continue to throw factual information at you, and history... Yet you have nothing concrete for a period of time with GT's

Ive said it before, and ill say it again. Gt's are great for certain people, and i think your products LOOK stellar, and your downpipes hit an oh so soft spot in my heart... but their is SO much false info given about reliability of this kit.. and people really honestly think that just because they have rods in their motor that they are now superman.. The power is still there, it is just transferred to the next weakest link.

I think your a cool guy shawn, and I think its awesome what your doing for the b5 platform, with some very nice looking products.. But if you honestly think your going to run 2 gt28s, and do just rods and it be safe.. your wrong.. You may not see to many short term problems.. but i guranteee in a few years problems will start to surface..Once these applications really start to get pushed your going to see ALOT of things begin to break.. the reason I feel the way I do is because ko4's can be really played and tinkered with to obtain very nice numbers, yet dont really have to bad of long term effects on things.

to each his own.. But just like you, im entitled to my opinion on this site the same as you.. and everywhere one opinion is voiced, so will another

S4M3
05-16-2008, 11:03 AM
what about JHM car ? 11.1 @130 with K04 ? pretty much stock weight.

Matt@JHM
05-16-2008, 11:07 AM
what about JHM car ? 11.1 @130 with K04 ? pretty much stock weight.

Don't even try, he'll say it's a shop car with rs4 parts and light weight wheels so it doesn't count. [;)]

Dr.Duct
05-16-2008, 11:09 AM
http://www.s4biturbo.com/timeslips.php

Their are 17 diffrent cars there that are trapping over 120mph, that are either a ko4, or a varient of a ko4.. but according to Shawn, their really is no diffrence between hybrids and pjko4's, because hybrids only make 12 more hp..

His next possible arguement is going to be weight reduction...

The vast majority are full weight..

the following possible arguement will be race gas.. How hard is it to spend 15 bucks on 2 gallons of race gas??

After this the arguement would be tweaking.. Well as of about 8 months ago this was very true, but now with some of the new software that is going to be availible tweaking will not be a single problem.. Merely you get your "ots" software.. You do some logs, send the info back, and then your sent a reflash for a complete custom tune, and can get anything from conservative, to all out race files.

Theirs really no point in debating back in forth unless someone's going to post solid proof on things they talk about, and have history with that proof.

Their is no win or lose here.. Its merely what is best for the consumer and if the Genx product is so superior in every way to ko4 kits then shawn, lil is, guru, vag, vast, asp or anyone else should not have a single problem with me hammering facts because they could hammer them back

Dr.Duct
05-16-2008, 11:15 AM
Don't even try, he'll say it's a shop car with rs4 parts and light weight wheels so it doesn't count. [;)]

no he will say its tweaked beyond belief with open exhaust or something..Yet this is all stuff that is now being redaly availible to the general consumer from various vendors and sources.

I dont care about shop car talk.. being as how the car doesnt get an extra 40hp because its own by a shop..

Heres the entire mod list...

KO4 Turbos - JHM "pure race file" built by VAST to JHM specifications ( MBC, 24 p.s.i on Race Gas, no TCD needed) - JHM FMIC, JHM custom 3" downpipes - VAST intake spacers - RS4 Intercoolers - RS4 Injectors - RS4 Airbox - RS4 Throttle Body - Gasket Matched Intake Ports - RS4 Cams - Baileys Diverter Valves

JHM "solid" short throw shifter - JHM "solid" shifter stabilizer - JHM "solid" linkage upgrade - VAST Stage 3 clutch w Ceramic Hybrid Disc - AWE Lighweight flywheel - AWE Drive Line Stablizer with JHM polyurethane mount mod - RS4 motor and trans mounts - 034 Motorsport Front Snub mount cage - StopTech Big Brakes - Volks Racing LE37 18" rims w 225/40/R18 Kuhmo MXs - H&R springs - Bilstein shocks and struts - LLTek Rear Spoiler - RSR front bumper - Fiber Images Carbon Fiber Hood - Custom Stereo Enclosure w JL 10s and MB Quart speakers - Auto Meter Boost Guage - Aluminum Dash Trim Kit.



And since he likes to bring up dyno talk alot (while stating himself that dyno numbers mean nothing), the RS4 bits dont get you much more hp then stock.. Dyno results show this. Their is a VERY interesting chart being compared with this, and what can be done without any of those expensive pieces. In all do time my friends..


PLEASE dont come out saying light wheels, and this and that are weight reduction.. lol thats the biggest load of dookie ever. Yes it is lighter weight, but HOW many people have AM wheels?

AudiA4_20T
05-16-2008, 03:31 PM
Second.. This person stated they did not want to build the motor, or do rods.. Well see how long your GT setups lastwithout rods.. If you really think your seriously going to put enough power through the motor to trap 124 on a "hurt car" and not bend the rods.. WRONG..

why dont you tell us whats going to happen?

Dr.Duct
05-16-2008, 03:36 PM
why dont you tell us whats going to happen?

look at how many problems WMS had with their "beast".

Id really be interested in seeing how well the stock block hold up to 550+AWP, on a daily driven setup.

Even if it DOES hold up... All that power has got to go some where, and then you will start to see trannies grenade, axles breaking, rear ends breaking, crossmembers shattering, etc.

Overboostin
05-16-2008, 03:46 PM
I think its too soon to be bashing GT builds. K04s have been around for awhile, and gt's are venturing into uncharted territory. Kinks are still getting worked out, and what's wrong with progress? Yeah, you have a bunch of facts about k04's, but at the same time, you can't have these same facts about gt's because not enough time has elapsed. So what if Alex's motor blows up and his car dies a fiery death? At least he's trying something new and pushing the envelope, which is more I can say about you, duct.

AudiA4_20T
05-16-2008, 03:52 PM
look at how many problems WMS had with their "beast".

Id really be interested in seeing how well the stock block hold up to 550+AWP, on a daily driven setup.

Even if it DOES hold up... All that power has got to go some where, and then you will start to see trannies grenade, axles breaking, rear ends breaking, crossmembers shattering, etc.

so your just against having more power... which is why you love your K04s, plenty of people want more than K04s, let them have it. Attitudes like yours get the community nowhere

Dr.Duct
05-16-2008, 03:54 PM
I think its too soon to be bashing GT builds. K04s have been around for awhile, and gt's are venturing into uncharted territory. Kinks are still getting worked out, and what's wrong with progress? Yeah, you have a bunch of facts about k04's, but at the same time, you can't have these same facts about gt's because not enough time has elapsed.

I agree with this %100 and that is my arguement.. How are you going to go and give people all of this made up, fairy land info that these kits are solid, and all you have to do is replace your rods and you set, and have a more reliable product then ko4's????

Next..

How would you know what im doing? Just because I dont post up every detail of my setup and what im doing?? because unlike some people I like to have facts, charts, numbers, and more then talk behind what im doing.. I said it was great what they were doing.. Several times.. Need links???

If you are really wanting to know, my goal is to put a full weight ko4 powered S4 into the high 10's, low low low 11's with NO rs4 bells and whistle's. To me my friend, I feel that takes more knowledge of the vehicle and tuning then slapping on Giant turbos and running a car till it blows up.

I firmly believe that it will take atleast 3-4 years before you have a GT S4 that is successful at making full on passes, and be a reliable car that doesnt break. just my opinion though

Dr.Duct
05-16-2008, 03:56 PM
so your just against having more power... which is why you love your K04s, plenty of people want more than K04s, let them have it. Attitudes like yours get the community nowhere

Please.. Before you post you assumption's and accusation's.. (which started this whole mess) read.. Post #72, last paragraph.. Thank you

Im not against having hp.. But what is the point of having hp that can be reliably put down to the ground?? Bragging rights??

YES, it does have to be done by someone, but dont markey a kit that hasnt been tested and fully worked out to the general public. lol

GURUMAN
05-17-2008, 06:20 AM
GenX and Vag stuff are comparable in a lot of Ways...

Same process, One by one welded by a real welder, same material thikness.

It's not a competition between the 2, both are offering something high quality at a relatively low price.

When I hear about reliability issues ? Off course this kit can break your clutch, your axles, your pistons...

Kit is simply the best quality parts out there to hang two super efficients turbous oneach side of an V6 Audi S4 engine block... What is so hard to understand in that.

Fuc%, if I want reliability as stock, Ill run my kit at 14 psi on the wastegate springs, I have 60% less chances to break something. Again What is so hard to understand here.

Ireally dont get it whe it come to guys wanting tripple the HP amount from their stock car, and expect the thing to be stock like and reliable as a stock toyota...

IF your ready to go over European RS4 380bhp, expect problems on the way. These K04 were designed to push max 400 crank hp, not 450whp.

If Vag or GenX wont to back their products as you guys wish, They will certanly back their welds, and garrett will back turbos and tial will back their wastegates...

Then put some more money aside for when it breaks because it will. None of these guys fault, welcome to the world of tuning my friend...

GURUMAN
05-17-2008, 06:31 AM
IF your ready to go over European RS4 380bhp, expect problems on the way. These K04 were designed to push max 400 crank hp, not 450whp.

I wanst talking only the turbos, but all the other stressed parts.

I dont care if its K04, gt, Tseries, Hks, Bulleseye.

450whp is 450whp.

At 450 whp on k04's you have a lot more chances to break than with bigger GT's, there is a lot more stress on these tyny snails.

The problem is that with GT power at the moment, nobody wants only 450WHP, they want to max out their setup. That is the biggest reason why you dont hear about the other gt kit that are running fine, they are daily drivers...

I'm the best proof for reliability and gt kit. Winter driven, daily driven gt2554. 1/8 mile street week end warrior at the local track. Same mechanical problems from a stock S4, weak clutch and orrible shifter...

This year I know the setup is not the same nomore, but it's not daily driven but it probably could be... For me My tip W8 passat is a lot better for traffic jams...

GURUMAN
05-17-2008, 06:38 AM
I fully understand Alex stepping down to gt25'S

I drove the for more than a year withouth any issues on a stock engine. I never really pushed it.

If Alex with all the Knowledge he has, starts playing with it a little to tweak it like JayB is doing to it's k04 car, you guys are in for a shock.

I fully realise the potential of that setup... Ok my car sucked with only a 12.38 at 124 mph on the track, but nobody owned me in a third and fourth gear pull, not even 911tt...

BITRBO
05-17-2008, 07:11 AM
more pics [:d]

3'' downpipes all v-band...even wastegate flange is 44mm v-band

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/976/ceramiccoatedgtparts005jo7.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1772/ceramiccoatedgtparts003oc6.jpg
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Wow, this is really nice work GenJDM!!! Your kit is gonna make a lot of people horny for GT's. It actually makes me cringe though to see them laying on the concrete like that [eek][:(] For heaven's sake, please don't do that again [;)]

Dr.Duct
05-17-2008, 08:28 AM
I fully understand Alex stepping down to gt25'S

I drove the for more than a year withouth any issues on a stock engine. I never really pushed it.

If Alex with all the Knowledge he has, starts playing with it a little to tweak it like JayB is doing to it's k04 car, you guys are in for a shock.

I fully realise the potential of that setup... Ok my car sucked with only a 12.38 at 124 mph on the track, but nobody owned me in a third and fourth gear pull, not even 911tt...

I fully believe on Alex's car, that if he can build the setup to be reliable and put the power to the ground without breaking things, it could def. be good for a high 10 on pump if not better.. Cant really judge to good of an ET on trap speeds because they are kind of all over the board.

GURUMAN
05-17-2008, 10:26 AM
The only went like 3 times a napierville dragway NHRA quebec track.

Firts tim a had troubles killing ESP because my car is swaped and in the 99.5 A4 there is no ESP. The M-box was catching the signal from my ABS and was putting the brakes an the end of first gear to eleminate wheelspin.

That got fixed but my clutch was horrible.

In the same day I ran like:

12.38 @ 124 mph
12.41 @ 121 mph
12.44 @ 114 mph
12.67 @ 119 mph

You see where I'm getting. I coudnt shift right from 1 to 2 an 2 to 3.

Those run were made on pump gas at about 21-23 psi

Dr.Duct
05-17-2008, 10:39 AM
The only went like 3 times a napierville dragway NHRA quebec track.

Firts tim a had troubles killing ESP because my car is swaped and in the 99.5 A4 there is no ESP. The M-box was catching the signal from my ABS and was putting the brakes an the end of first gear to eleminate wheelspin.

That got fixed but my clutch was horrible.

In the same day I ran like:

12.38 @ 124 mph
12.41 @ 121 mph
12.44 @ 114 mph
12.67 @ 119 mph

You see where I'm getting. I coudnt shift right from 1 to 2 an 2 to 3.

Those run were made on pump gas at about 21-23 psi


Anymore runs with the problem corrected?? Mind if I pm you from details?? I dont want anyone to get upset with me asking questions, and have yet another thread get locked.

generationjdm
05-17-2008, 10:40 AM
Alex, car will perform a little different then the gt2554 it's really a modified gt2854..

generationjdm
05-17-2008, 10:41 AM
Anymore runs with the problem corrected?? Mind if I pm you from details?? I dont want anyone to get upset with me asking questions, and have yet another thread get locked.Duct, if you just chill and respect all the efforts going forth on the b5, people wouldn't lock threads nor get upset with you...

Dr.Duct
05-17-2008, 10:42 AM
Alex, car will perform a little different then the gt2554 it's really a modified gt2854..

details?

Do you feel as if he Gt25's would perform better for ET drag times? or the 28's?

GURUMAN
05-17-2008, 10:45 AM
I was lacking funding for a 2500$ clutch last summer...

It dint slip at all, so it was ok for work. I just had to granny shit it.

Then finances went a lot better, I bought an other car and tore down my S4 in pieces...

Dr.Duct
05-17-2008, 10:46 AM
Duct, if you just chill and respect all the efforts going forth on the b5, people wouldn't lock threads nor get upset with you...

Going to pm yah.. But want to say publicly as I have before that I do admire, and respect those of you putting the time and money in a setup that is not prooven. I dont have the guts to do so, and feel as if I need to see where my money is going to.. Im sure when Im 50 years old and go into a mid life crises ill try something like that [:D]

Dr.Duct
05-17-2008, 10:47 AM
I was lacking funding for a 2500$ clutch last summer...

It dint slip at all, so it was ok for work. I just had to granny shit it.

Then finances went a lot better, I bought an other car and tore down my S4 in pieces...


Sorry im not getting what your saying?? Do you not have this car anymore? rebuilding? building a new one?

Daft
05-17-2008, 10:51 AM
Sorry im not getting what your saying?? Do you not have this car anymore? rebuilding? building a new one?

5 pages worth of his winter project: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172373

generationjdm
05-17-2008, 11:24 AM
Heres the order and ratings in turbos from garrett..
GT2554 27lb turbo 270hp all GT25ss have a 53mm turbine wheel
GT2560 33lb turbo 330hp
GT2854 27lb turbo 270hp all the GT28ss have a 53.8 turbine wheel
GT2860-7 31lb turbo 310hp
GT2860-5 36lb turbo 360hp
GT2860rs disco potato 36lb turbo the S stands for special, which is because the larger comp cover..

For guys who wish for a GT setup and don't wish to build the motor because drag racing isn't important to them, go with gt2554s or gt2854s if you wish to step it up from there the GT2860-7 310hp would be a great choice the GT2560 would be the extreme in my opinion, but will leave plenty of room to grow in the future..

For the average guy who doesn't track the car much or doesn't wish to push the turbos to there limits these will be a great choice on the stock motor with a solid tune of course.

I know I'm using the GT2560ss on the stock motor, but I'm not trying to push the envelope and would like something I can grow with for the future..

Moving up to the GT2860s-5 and beyond I would build the motor or whats the point of having this much turbo, this I do agree with you Duct.

But remember Vast ran this turbo on his stock block car and had awesome success, I don't know if you realize he really had his conservative tune in the car when he went in the 130ss with full interior.. Mike said the car went to the track that day not realizing he didn't have his best tune in the car.. He said the car could of went a lot faster with the other tune. He also was using the rs4 coolers well beyond there limits with no meth.

Duct, anytime you can run less boost and make more hp is always the best route for the life of parts and the engine, this makes everything actually easier to tune for 1..

I hope this helps a little bit

With any of these setups of course it's worth the extra 1200.00 for rods and bearings, it's a great piece of insurance.

GURUMAN
05-17-2008, 11:49 AM
Sorry im not getting what your saying?? Do you not have this car anymore? rebuilding? building a new one?

You asked if I ran the car with the problem fixed.

The answer is no.

I dindt have the money last summer to change my clutch, so I drove it like that for the rest of the summer before starting my build.

andream88
05-17-2008, 12:00 PM
Do you think it would be worth to upgrade the block (rods/pistons) also on a 100'000kms Rs4 engine?

Dr.Duct
05-17-2008, 12:02 PM
Heres the order and ratings in turbos from garrett..
GT2554 27lb turbo 270hp all GT25ss have a 53mm turbine wheel
GT2560 33lb turbo 330hp
GT2854 27lb turbo 270hp all the GT28ss have a 53.8 turbine wheel
GT2860-7 31lb turbo 310hp
GT2860-5 36lb turbo 360hp
GT2860rs disco potato 36lb turbo the S stands for special, which is because the larger comp cover..

For guys who wish for a GT setup and don't wish to build the motor because drag racing isn't important to them, go with gt2554s or gt2854s if you wish to step it up from there the GT2860-7 310hp would be a great choice the GT2560 would be the extreme in my opinion, but will leave plenty of room to grow in the future..

For the average guy who doesn't track the car much or doesn't wish to push the turbos to there limits these will be a great choice on the stock motor with a solid tune of course.

I know I'm using the GT2560ss on the stock motor, but I'm not trying to push the envelope and would like something I can grow with for the future..

Moving up to the GT2860s-5 and beyond I would build the motor or whats the point of having this much turbo, this I do agree with you Duct.

But remember Vast ran this turbo on his stock block car and had awesome success, I don't know if you realize he really had his conservative tune in the car when he went in the 130ss with full interior.. Mike said the car went to the track that day not realizing he didn't have his best tune in the car.. He said the car could of went a lot faster with the other tune. He also was using the rs4 coolers well beyond there limits with no meth.

Duct, anytime you can run less boost and make more hp is always the best route for the life of parts and the engine, this makes everything actually easier to tune for 1..

I hope this helps a little bit

With any of these setups of course it's worth the extra 1200.00 for rods and bearings, it's a great piece of insurance.

Nice information Shawn. I do agree with you in alot of ways, just dont see the point personally of the smaller Gt's that dont make alot of power.. Which ive expressed alot obviously.. But this is just MY opinion.. We all have it. Garretts are top notch, and more reliable then ko4's as a turbo. I dont know exactly whats going on with borg warner lately.. Ive seen lots of turbo failure from them in the last 2 months.. most of the time they say its mechanical error, but at some point you draw a line to that. So with the way things have turned recently, Gt's can be considered even more.

All of this info can def. be considered for anyone looking to get this kit.

Do you know if any of the guys running these built motors plan to run nitrous?? A small shot could potentially give you all alot more power down low, and spool the turbos faster giving pretty good ET's. I wish someone would now step up and back better axles for our car, better rear end, crossmember mounts and so on..

Dr.Duct
05-17-2008, 12:03 PM
Do you think it would be worth to upgrade the block (rods/pistons) also on a 100'000kms Rs4 engine?

Depends on what you plan to do with the set up.. Something I think everyone can agree on.

Dr.Duct
05-17-2008, 12:03 PM
You asked if I ran the car with the problem fixed.

The answer is no.

I dindt have the money last summer to change my clutch, so I drove it like that for the rest of the summer before starting my build.

Gotcha. Well GL with the new clutch..

GURUMAN
05-17-2008, 12:53 PM
Do you think it would be worth to upgrade the block (rods/pistons) also on a 100'000kms Rs4 engine?

Burns oil ?

What about compression ? + leakdown test ?

If good why bother...

What's funny is as sonn as you open this RS4 block to put rod and pistons, it becomes an S4. The only advantages you have are the heads, cams, intake an tb combo.

If your pistons are still good, you just slap a set of rod, have honed, put new rings and new bearings...

Cranks are the same S4-RS4.

Europowerhaus
05-17-2008, 01:15 PM
The Rs4 rod journal size is slightly larger man, but yea, rods are smart, if you still have a slight cross hatch in your cylinders, then you probably dont need to finish hone again, just new rings and a heavy cleaning

lil' is 300
05-17-2008, 01:26 PM
RS4 engine actually has a bunch of differences. The crank is made from steel that is 10% stronger than S4. Diameter and length of piston pins are increased and larger connecting rod bolts to handle more load, more threads for tightening cylinder head bolts, crankshaft bearing caps changed to cast steel. Pistons are reinforced and have a coating on them, connecting rod allows for the larger piston pin to be used.

Just lots of little things here and there - but rods are still cast and are a weakpoint...so it's worth upgrading. If you're building a 2.7t, it's worth using S4 since it's much cheaper.

Europowerhaus
05-17-2008, 01:30 PM
Going to pm yah.. But want to say publicly as I have before that I do admire, and respect those of you putting the time and money in a setup that is not prooven. I dont have the guts to do so, and feel as if I need to see where my money is going to.. Im sure when Im 50 years old and go into a mid life crises ill try something like that [:D]

Thats right you DONT have the guts to try something new, thank god not everyone is like you, otherwise we would still being using HORSE and BUGGY!!!
Go back to bed and then wake up in 2 years when ALOT of people are rockin high 9's and low 10's with these "exotic, overly expensive to fix cars"(DR. Duct 'ism)...by the way, its funny how you cant wait for people to step up and make better rear ends (Stasis) and cross member mounts (done) and bullshit like that, but you straight up try to abolish the GT guys, haha, thats what we are all trying to do, MAKE something NEW!

GURUMAN
05-17-2008, 02:38 PM
RS4 engine actually has a bunch of differences. The crank is made from steel that is 10% stronger than S4. Diameter and length of piston pins are increased and larger connecting rod bolts to handle more load, more threads for tightening cylinder head bolts, crankshaft bearing caps changed to cast steel. Pistons are reinforced and have a coating on them, connecting rod allows for the larger piston pin to be used.

I know, but the is no aftermarket rods ro rs4, you have to switch to s4 parts...

generationjdm
05-17-2008, 04:42 PM
Nice information Shawn. I do agree with you in alot of ways, just dont see the point personally of the smaller Gt's that dont make alot of power.. Which ive expressed alot obviously.. But this is just MY opinion.. We all have it. Garretts are top notch, and more reliable then ko4's as a turbo. I dont know exactly whats going on with borg warner lately.. Ive seen lots of turbo failure from them in the last 2 months.. most of the time they say its mechanical error, but at some point you draw a line to that. So with the way things have turned recently, Gt's can be considered even more.

All of this info can def. be considered for anyone looking to get this kit.

Do you know if any of the guys running these built motors plan to run nitrous?? A small shot could potentially give you all alot more power down low, and spool the turbos faster giving pretty good ET's. I wish someone would now step up and back better axles for our car, better rear end, crossmember mounts and so on..The smallest GT2554 can make 100+whp over the rs4/k04 turbo thats a ton more power... If you look at the dyno graphs you will see this turbo is making over 350wtq before 3500rpm and plenty of hp at 3-3500rpm, actually the same and more then the k04.. The gt2560 is just as snappy as the gt2554 down low, but makes roughly 100+whp over the gt2554.. Also keep in mind nobody races below 5k so the power below that is really pointless in a race... Duct, this is more like the conversations that should be taken place[up]

sCeRaXn
05-17-2008, 07:04 PM
I think this kit looks like a hell of a deal. For a similar price to a K04 setup you get garrett gt series turbos(which have been proven to be extremely reliable even under a ton of abuse), better flowing manifolds, and a more effecient system overall. If youre worried about reliability(as i would be) then you could run less boost on a conservative tune and still be able to walk alot of cars on the road. Dont get me wrong...a K04 setup is a proven system that gets the job done, but i just see this as a very good option for those who want to try something different. Sure, there might be some bugs that need to be worked out, but im sure the K04 swap wasnt perfected overnight.

Rapter
05-17-2008, 08:09 PM
I'm not sure if it's been said because theres been so many GT threads lately, but what is the cost difference if you were going to go stage 3 KO4's versus a GT2554 set up?

Europowerhaus
05-17-2008, 08:38 PM
hey guru, pauter does make that journal size, they are custom order just like any other rod, they will make you anything, Pauter is the shit

S4inMN
05-18-2008, 01:04 PM
genjdm -
First off, manis/DP's look gorgeous! Second, is running a WG recirc hurting flow at all on the GT cars?

lil' is 300
05-18-2008, 01:51 PM
genjdm -
First off, manis/DP's look gorgeous! Second, is running a WG recirc hurting flow at all on the GT cars?

Nope, just keep things quiet.

generationjdm
05-18-2008, 03:40 PM
This will have nothing to do with flow or spool, the sky's the limit with this kind of setup and you can basically set the car up how ever you wish, thats the beauty with GTSS theres tons of options and combos...

AMC
05-18-2008, 05:21 PM
hey alex, this thread sucks without more pics

generationjdm
05-18-2008, 09:37 PM
I'm not sure if it's been said because theres been so many GT threads lately, but what is the cost difference if you were going to go stage 3 KO4's versus a GT2554 set up?[[/I]If you where to add some of these few parts to a k04 setup the gt would be really close if not the same in price, Something that's never been touched before until now, running a GT setup can actually be cheaper then buying rs4 intake manifold,cams,t.b,fuel rail,bi-pipes,y pipes etc that adds up to many thousands of dollars for a few ponies, this stuff isn't really needed on the gt stuff to hit high hp it will help but not needed to hit a certain power level like the k04 stuff...

If you where to add dps and manis the k04ss would be more...

hachirokukid
05-19-2008, 09:01 PM
this thread kick more gluteus maximus with pics

okkim
05-21-2008, 03:58 AM
I know, but the is no aftermarket rods ro rs4, you have to switch to s4 parts...

Yes there is, at least Pauter, Rosten and AutoVerdi makes rods to RS4 also.

And as said, the block is stronger and crank is better. It is not the same as in S4.

Piston pins are actually the same, otherwise than the RS4 SSP says.

500S4
05-25-2008, 05:01 AM
There are many s4's running 500+bhp at the crank with K04 Hybrids (rs6 compressor wheel in rs4 K04 housing) on stock rods and gearbox over here in the UK. If the torque is kept reasonable then the rods can handle the power. These turbos are not maxed out due to reliabilty issues with the stock rods and gearbox.
General Spec as follows.

K04 Hybrids
FMIC (MRC)
630cc Injectors (seimens, MRC)
10 bar fuel pump
Wider bore intake pipes (MRC)
Cermaic clutch kit (MRC)
3" dual exhaust (RS Fabrications)
Ceramic coated exhaust Manifolds (MRC)
MRC tuning custom remap

There are quite a few people running this setup or similar with a few little extras such as phenolic spaces and full rs4 intake... But the main reason for my post is this, You can run alot more than 12hp extra between stock K04's and Hybrids, you just need sufficient cooling such as a fmic. The only problems some people have had with this setup is the gearbox, which is why, aswell as the rods, the torque isnt maxed out.

Try www.mrctuning.com to see some of the above products. The only problem for most of you guys is they are over here in the UK, so is abit tricky for you guys in the U.S.

Just my 2p

andream88
05-25-2008, 09:45 AM
Hi 500S4.
Do you know the specs of std Rs4 injectors and fuel pump?
Do you think it would be worth to upgrade to 630 injectors and 10 bar fuel pump on stock K04 and do a custom remap?

Thanks

generationjdm
05-25-2008, 11:12 AM
Didn't realize this was a thread about k04ss or mrctuning

lil' is 300
05-25-2008, 09:44 PM
There are many s4's running 500+bhp at the crank with K04 Hybrids (rs6 compressor wheel in rs4 K04 housing) on stock rods and gearbox over here in the UK. If the torque is kept reasonable then the rods can handle the power. These turbos are not maxed out due to reliabilty issues with the stock rods and gearbox.
General Spec as follows.

K04 Hybrids
FMIC (MRC)
630cc Injectors (seimens, MRC)
10 bar fuel pump
Wider bore intake pipes (MRC)
Cermaic clutch kit (MRC)
3" dual exhaust (RS Fabrications)
Ceramic coated exhaust Manifolds (MRC)
MRC tuning custom remap

There are quite a few people running this setup or similar with a few little extras such as phenolic spaces and full rs4 intake... But the main reason for my post is this, You can run alot more than 12hp extra between stock K04's and Hybrids, you just need sufficient cooling such as a fmic. The only problems some people have had with this setup is the gearbox, which is why, aswell as the rods, the torque isnt maxed out.

Try www.mrctuning.com to see some of the above products. The only problem for most of you guys is they are over here in the UK, so is abit tricky for you guys in the U.S.

Just my 2p

Curious as to how much you spend on that setup. MRC intake pipes are $615 + tax and MRC manifolds are $2575 + tax, MRC (ebay) FMIC is $1770. That's about $5000 not even including the cost of K04 turbos with hybrid wheels or the custom MRC tune.

No doubt you can make a decent jump in power over standard K04 turbo on stock manifold with larger inlet piping, tubular headers and better cooling...but is the extra 25-50hp (being generous) gain worth the added cost?

generationjdm
05-25-2008, 09:46 PM
At the end of the day that setup is more money then a GT kit

AMC
05-25-2008, 09:49 PM
lol i might go gt kit next yr so genjdm u might be hearing from mee maybe next yr i wanna see how alexs goes lol

500S4
05-26-2008, 04:10 AM
Hi 500S4.
Do you know the specs of std Rs4 injectors and fuel pump?
Do you think it would be worth to upgrade to 630 injectors and 10 bar fuel pump on stock K04 and do a custom remap?

Thanks

The RS4 fueling on s4 heads is not very good as the spray pattern doesnt match the heads/inlet manifold. So on s4 heads your maxing the injectors and fuel pump at 500bhp, so to be on the safe side if the car needs to run rich, its best to upgrade, you will run more efficient and the car will have the ability to run rich if it needs.

On stock k04s and stock exhaust manifolds and decent smic your fine with the rs4 fuel pump and rs4 injectors and then get a good custom remap to suit.

Cheers.

500S4
05-26-2008, 04:12 AM
Didn't realize this was a thread about k04ss or mrctuning

It was just to show that what Dr. Duct was saying isnt crap, you can get far more than 12hp extra from k04 hybrids with the right extras. I was reffering to MRCTuning because thats a company that i know offer this and have been reliable with their results.

Cheers.

500S4
05-26-2008, 04:15 AM
Curious as to how much you spend on that setup. MRC intake pipes are $615 + tax and MRC manifolds are $2575 + tax, MRC (ebay) FMIC is $1770. That's about $5000 not even including the cost of K04 turbos with hybrid wheels or the custom MRC tune.

No doubt you can make a decent jump in power over standard K04 turbo on stock manifold with larger inlet piping, tubular headers and better cooling...but is the extra 25-50hp (being generous) gain worth the added cost?

You have to remember that if something costs £600 over here, it generally cost $600 in the u.s. but if we want to ship things over, we have to risk getting hit by customs and then things cost almost as much. You can port and reweld stock manifold and thats the most cost effective, if your going more than 500bhp your best off with tubular mani's. Find ones which dont crack!!!

Dr.Duct
05-26-2008, 07:48 AM
It was just to show that what Dr. Duct was saying isnt crap, you can get far more than 12hp extra from k04 hybrids with the right extras. I was reffering to MRCTuning because thats a company that i know offer this and have been reliable with their results.

Cheers.

I wouldnt even get started with them budd. I appreciate the back, and actualy MRC-tuning was one of the sources I claimed in my post for custom tuning. Ive started another thread in the chatterbox about this, but you more then likely wont get a good discussion on it. Only whinning and ignorance. GT's do put down more power, and do trap higher, but in no way are the more all around reliable then ko4's.

The MRC manifolds look really nice, do you have any experience with them? Mind pm'ing if you do?

Dr.Duct
05-26-2008, 10:25 AM
Ive been thinking alot lately about the gt25's and am, oh so curious as to what a little 75 shot would do for it on bottom end for 1/4 mile, and spooling it up faster.

I just dont think the car would hold the extra power. Id like to see the ASP car get a solid run but im afraid it looks as if its more of a driver issue rather then a car issue.

lil' is 300
05-26-2008, 11:54 AM
You have to remember that if something costs £600 over here, it generally cost $600 in the u.s. but if we want to ship things over, we have to risk getting hit by customs and then things cost almost as much. You can port and reweld stock manifold and thats the most cost effective, if your going more than 500bhp your best off with tubular mani's. Find ones which dont crack!!!

If you live in the UK, yes. But for us, 1 pound is nearly $2 USD in the states. I was in London a few months ago and I was going damn near broke just trying to feed myself! [>_<]

generationjdm
05-26-2008, 12:42 PM
To run the stuff he listed is well over 5k add fueling and the k04ss and all the little other things and your well into the low teens for price... I will start a different thread about some facts on the turbos/boost that seem to be getting some people confused here...

Dr.Duct
05-26-2008, 01:42 PM
To run the stuff he listed is well over 5k add fueling and the k04ss and all the little other things and your well into the low teens for price... I will start a different thread about some facts on the turbos/boost that seem to be getting some people confused here...

lol, i like you and our pm's.. your kind of like an affair

Europowerhaus
05-26-2008, 06:11 PM
that sounds creepy

Europowerhaus
05-26-2008, 06:16 PM
shit! another K04 comparo thread! damn, Alex doesnt get a break from the Ol' Duct Master, this is about the tenth thread you have shot down Duct!

hachirokukid
05-26-2008, 06:29 PM
he sticks to Gt Threads like "Duct Tape"!!!

Reich
05-26-2008, 07:33 PM
Ohh did'nt realise this thread is still comparing k vs gt. Thre should be an other thread for that

generationjdm
05-26-2008, 08:04 PM
Theres nothing to compare, it's like comparing apples to watermelons haha...

Reich
05-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Theres nothing to compare, it's like comparing apples to watermelons haha...

I know that since a long time. Have you seen the thrust bearing in k04?
I've seen one. It is more like a star washer than a bearing. It only has 270 degrees of thrust surface instead of 360. It's the reason why they always fail like k03. Well they are a bit beter.

generationjdm
05-26-2008, 08:24 PM
ya your right

Dr.Duct
05-26-2008, 09:42 PM
shit! another K04 comparo thread! damn, Alex doesnt get a break from the Ol' Duct Master, this is about the tenth thread you have shot down Duct!

lol first of all.. Where did I say anything?? pretty sure I told him not to start?? you like a little nutt hanger that always comes in last minute.

Next.. another thread shut down?? how is this one shut down?? if you wanna continue to worthless post.. pm me.. Its really that simple

500S4
05-27-2008, 03:32 PM
Lol, K04s are soooooo much more reliable than K03s unless you run stupid boost, or are really harsh on them, i.e. dont let them warm up, or use wrong oil!!!

Europowerhaus
05-27-2008, 04:01 PM
[QUOTE=Dr.Duct;2567682]I wouldnt even get started with them budd. I appreciate the back, and actualy MRC-tuning was one of the sources I claimed in my post for custom tuning. Ive started another thread in the chatterbox about this, but you more then likely wont get a good discussion on it. Only whinning and ignorance. GT's do put down more power, and do trap higher, but in no way are the more all around reliable then ko4's.

Duct, first off I dont hang on nuts, but you do hang on other peoples threads.
The reason why i come in later is because I like to listen to the thread, if I dont have "knowledge", then I dont post, what I factually do know is that you f -up everyone of Alex's threads.

2nd, ok...the S4 motor in general IS realiable from a mechanical standpoint....period. OKAY! thats why we DO have S4 guys running GT S4s with high mileage bottom ends...that is what we call reliability. GT turbos are used by everyone around the world, in every high powered car new or old, SUPRAS, STIs, EVOs, shit, even Hyabusa bikes run small GTs, no issues man! Others may choose to run different turbos but we all know that Garretts are very reliable pieces. They are solid turbos, waaay more reliablethan any Borg Warner unit out, period! (not putting K04s down) Thanks

dont make this personal Duct, I wont call you Master Duct anymore ok[:(] but you dont need to take a stab at me on the thread, PM ME!

Dr.Duct
05-27-2008, 04:10 PM
[QUOTE=Dr.Duct;2567682]I wouldnt even get started with them budd. I appreciate the back, and actualy MRC-tuning was one of the sources I claimed in my post for custom tuning. Ive started another thread in the chatterbox about this, but you more then likely wont get a good discussion on it. Only whinning and ignorance. GT's do put down more power, and do trap higher, but in no way are the more all around reliable then ko4's.

Duct, first off I dont hang on nuts, but you do hang on other peoples threads.
The reason why i come in later is because I like to listen to the thread, if I dont have "knowledge", then I dont post, what I factually do know is that you f -up everyone of Alex's threads.

2nd, ok...the S4 motor in general IS realiable from a mechanical standpoint....period. OKAY! thats why we DO have S4 guys running GT S4s with high mileage bottom ends...that is what we call reliability. GT turbos are used by everyone around the world, in every high powered car new or old, SUPRAS, STIs, EVOs, shit, even Hyabusa bikes run small GTs, no issues man! Others may choose to run different turbos but we all know that Garretts are very reliable pieces. They are solid turbos, waaay more reliablethan any Borg Warner unit out, period! (not putting K04s down) Thanks

dont make this personal Duct, I wont call you Master Duct anymore ok[:(] but you dont need to take a stab at me on the thread, PM ME!

Never said garretts werent reliable.. in fact, can be quoted as saying they in general are more reliable then borg warner. BUT, i did say ALL AROUND the platform.. when GT's were pushed in close to their prime time power and boost.. No way would the stock platform of an S4 hold it.. Build the motor.. thats fine.. Have fun with the trans, rear, etc.

I have no hard feelings for anyone on this thread or in this room. Everyone is just voicing their opinion, and if ever I meet any of you in person I would gladly shake your hand.

Back to topic..

Shawnzies.. Can you post more pictures??

rharris
05-27-2008, 04:25 PM
Before the thread gets shutdown..

K04s are not bad turbos if you run them within their efficiency range.

Props to those developing GT kits. I'd run them if I had the $$$.

generationjdm
06-24-2008, 08:08 PM
Alex, any updates yet?

lil' is 300
06-24-2008, 10:05 PM
Alex, any updates yet?

Block is stripped down, rods going in now and engine being fully balanced and built back up this week. Then need to do a lot of extra stuff like install coilovers, ER SMIC's, new control arms, get the GT kit on, add a v-band to my custom exhaust to mate to the DP's....break in the engine on the roller, get her tuned up and dialed in. I may add water/meth injection, but I'm still thinking about it. ETA is 4-5 weeks.

generationjdm
06-24-2008, 10:09 PM
Did u put the stock head gaskets back on, whats the final compression with the new pistons? I'm now using a different inlet pipe, air craft grade 6066 aluminum same as before, but now its a little larger then the factory rs4 pipe and thicker then before .065 wall which will help with heat... Heres some pics before coating...http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3769/newestaluminum2125inletxt6.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newestaluminum2125inletxt6.jpg)http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1306/newestaluminum2125inletif8.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newestaluminum2125inletif8.jpg)

S4M3
06-24-2008, 10:15 PM
Did u put the stock head gaskets back on, whats the final compression with the new pistons? I'm now using a different inlet pipe, air craft grade 6066 aluminum same as before, but now its a little larger then the factory rs4 pipe and thicker then before .065 wall...


Stock head gasket should be ok ?

generationjdm
06-24-2008, 10:16 PM
ya, i asked him that because i seen his lower comp gaskets for sale... I did lower mine to 9.1

S4M3
06-24-2008, 10:18 PM
ya, i asked him that because i seen his lower comp gaskets for sale... I did lower mine to 9.1

yeah i am not sure what i should do lower the compression or just use stock HG... I don't really feel like lowering the compression :)

generationjdm
06-24-2008, 10:19 PM
It's just a matter of a hd gasket, it won't hurt much low end and will allow for a little more timing

S4M3
06-24-2008, 10:28 PM
It's just a matter of a hd gasket, it won't hurt much low end and will allow for a little more timing


Yeah.. I agree on that one :) all i got to say hurry up ! LOL

lil' is 300
06-24-2008, 10:45 PM
Did u put the stock head gaskets back on, whats the final compression with the new pistons? I'm now using a different inlet pipe, air craft grade 6066 aluminum same as before, but now its a little larger then the factory rs4 pipe and thicker then before .065 wall which will help with heat... Heres some pics before coating...http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3769/newestaluminum2125inletxt6.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newestaluminum2125inletxt6.jpg)http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1306/newestaluminum2125inletif8.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newestaluminum2125inletif8.jpg)


Went with RS4 HG's (stock compression) - using stock Mahle pistons because my cylinder walls are good and don't need to be bored (only 18k on my block). Rods are Rosten but the stroke doesn't change...so compression is stock as far as I know.

Loving the new inlets - they do look a bit thicker than mine. [up]

generationjdm
06-24-2008, 11:03 PM
Yours are .049 wall these new pipes are very pricey do to the bastard size. Why did u use the rs4 gasket?

Nexus1155
06-24-2008, 11:30 PM
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generationjdm
06-24-2008, 11:35 PM
Is something troubling you?

Nexus1155
06-24-2008, 11:36 PM
hahah no you guys are just funny conspiring bastards everyone does it, like me and a couple other people here, its a nice way to get around johnny law, and its just like 2 AM and i just needed to play around. Also i just don't post here anymore and im trying to startupagain

S4 in_lowplaces
06-25-2008, 06:22 AM
Went with RS4 HG's (stock compression) - using stock Mahle pistons because my cylinder walls are good and don't need to be bored (only 18k on my block). Rods are Rosten but the stroke doesn't change...so compression is stock as far as I know.

Loving the new inlets - they do look a bit thicker than mine. [up]

Why was your block replaced? Also, who is doing your build?

lil' is 300
06-25-2008, 07:07 AM
hahah no you guys are just funny conspiring bastards everyone does it, like me and a couple other people here, its a nice way to get around johnny law, and its just like 2 AM and i just needed to play around. Also i just don't post here anymore and im trying to startupagain

What are you talking about?


S4 in_lowplaces - Block was replaced when my car was in for warranty a few years ago and Audi decided not to torque the oil drain plug properly after installing a new set of K03's - they went for a test drive and came back with a new block on order.

S4 in_lowplaces
06-25-2008, 07:50 AM
Sweet! Are you still doing MAF's? If so, I'm almost done with my car, I'll let you know.

AudiSportB5S4
06-25-2008, 08:48 AM
so Alex....is your car going to be done you think by Waterfest or no? I saw you say like 4-5 weeks somewhere, it sounds like its gonnna be a close call... is anyone running any GT cars this year @ waterfest?

generationjdm
06-25-2008, 09:12 AM
I think Justins car will be up and running any time now, but whether he goes to waterfest or not i dont no..

AudiSportB5S4
06-25-2008, 09:13 AM
ahh gotcha. hopefully a few ppl run.

Dr.Duct
06-25-2008, 09:18 AM
Alex, any updates on your car?

How tough are they on cage restrictions at waterfest?

Im going to battle of the imports this weekend and they are crazy on restriction's. anything 11.45 and under you must have a full upper body flame suit, neck gear, and a roll bar..

anything 9.99 and under a full flamesuit, kill switch, diaper, full cage, etc. Sucks

lil' is 300
06-25-2008, 09:26 AM
Unfortunately, I doubt the car will be ready to run by Waterfest. That's not to say it won't be running, but ready to go down the strip... most likely not.

andream88
06-25-2008, 05:26 PM
I think Justins car will be up and running any time now, but whether he goes to waterfest or not i dont no..

So are you ready with your kits??

Thanks

generationjdm
06-25-2008, 06:02 PM
They've been around for a few months now...

kn9
08-16-2008, 06:41 PM
So these GT kits are definitely on the market? Do we just PM you to order?

(sorry to bump an old thread).

AudiA4_20T
08-16-2008, 06:53 PM
So these GT kits are definitely on the market? Do we just PM you to order?

(sorry to bump an old thread).

yes and yes

highPSI-S4
11-04-2008, 08:30 AM
So many Gt threads lying around i thought i would wake up this one.
haven't heard anything more about, nor do i see Alex post on any threads so i was just curious about how the build was going.

AMC
11-04-2008, 08:54 AM
So many Gt threads lying around i thought i would wake up this one.
haven't heard anything more about, nor do i see Alex post on any threads so i was just curious about how the build was going.

alex gave up on az hes always on aw tho. not exactly sure if he finished his car, would love to see if he did tho

Dr.Duct
11-04-2008, 10:10 AM
alex gave up on az hes always on aw tho. not exactly sure if he finished his car, would love to see if he did tho

I talked to him a little while ago on AIM and I think hes just waiting on a few things here and there.. Should be up and running soon from what I get from him..

He and Justin should have to well running gt car's, with good drivers.. Very interested to see how they are going to do..

Das General
11-04-2008, 10:27 AM
According to Alex's re-calculated plans, he should be ready within a week and a half. Good stuff!

AMC
11-04-2008, 10:55 AM
According to Alex's re-calculated plans, he should be ready within a week and a half. Good stuff!

nice. anyone have links to his aw thread about his build

highPSI-S4
11-04-2008, 01:08 PM
nice. anyone have links to his aw thread about his build


yeah i would like to know as well, i tried searching but found nothing.

TheyCallMeARI
07-19-2009, 11:51 PM
amazing kit... looks great

Evilevo
07-20-2009, 06:47 AM
Holy old thread Batman!

HardHitter
07-21-2009, 04:34 PM
I know this is a pretty old thread, but are you able to run a GT kit on a 2.7 engine without hitting the rods and pistons and all that internal work yet? If a car is already a Stage 3 car, are you able to swap in GT's?


Heres the order and ratings in turbos from garrett..
GT2554 27lb turbo 270hp all GT25ss have a 53mm turbine wheel
GT2560 33lb turbo 330hp
GT2854 27lb turbo 270hp all the GT28ss have a 53.8 turbine wheel
GT2860-7 31lb turbo 310hp
GT2860-5 36lb turbo 360hp
GT2860rs disco potato 36lb turbo the S stands for special, which is because the larger comp cover..

For guys who wish for a GT setup and don't wish to build the motor because drag racing isn't important to them, go with gt2554s or gt2854s if you wish to step it up from there the GT2860-7 310hp would be a great choice the GT2560 would be the extreme in my opinion, but will leave plenty of room to grow in the future..

For the average guy who doesn't track the car much or doesn't wish to push the turbos to there limits these will be a great choice on the stock motor with a solid tune of course.

I know I'm using the GT2560ss on the stock motor, but I'm not trying to push the envelope and would like something I can grow with for the future..

Moving up to the GT2860s-5 and beyond I would build the motor or whats the point of having this much turbo, this I do agree with you Duct.

But remember Vast ran this turbo on his stock block car and had awesome success, I don't know if you realize he really had his conservative tune in the car when he went in the 130ss with full interior.. Mike said the car went to the track that day not realizing he didn't have his best tune in the car.. He said the car could of went a lot faster with the other tune. He also was using the rs4 coolers well beyond there limits with no meth.

Duct, anytime you can run less boost and make more hp is always the best route for the life of parts and the engine, this makes everything actually easier to tune for 1..

I hope this helps a little bit

With any of these setups of course it's worth the extra 1200.00 for rods and bearings, it's a great piece of insurance.

Bart
07-21-2009, 05:24 PM
I know this is a pretty old thread, but are you able to run a GT kit on a 2.7 engine without hitting the rods and pistons and all that internal work yet? If a car is already a Stage 3 car, are you able to swap in GT's?

Yes but it's not recommend you don't do rods.

HardHitter
07-21-2009, 10:26 PM
So in theory, if you buy a Stage 3 car, most of all costs are done to go GT

All you would need is what? GT kit, rods and pistons?

jibberjive
07-21-2009, 10:40 PM
So in theory, if you buy a Stage 3 car, most of all costs are done to go GT

All you would need is what? GT kit, rods and pistons?

No. All stage 3 means is that it has KO4 turbos, RS4 inlets and fueling (injectors, maf housing and a tune.) If you go with GT turbos you will need to replace all of those, except for maybe the injectors and maf housing, depending on what size GT's you go with, and add on a whole slew of other things for the GT setup.

If you're spending $10k+ on a full GT kit, why would you not spend the extra ~$2k to put in rods that will allow you to even take advantage of the turbos?

HardHitter
07-21-2009, 10:49 PM
Nevermind, I'll keep looking for an already built GT :)

wdbdy2000s4
07-22-2009, 07:07 AM
umm...2554s on a stock block is fine...There are plenty of people who ran that setup on pump pushing close to 500whp for years. Look at guru's 2554 thread. If it's already stage 3 with 60#, intercoolers and a stage 4 clutch then you could get a 2554kit tuned and out the door for just about $8k.

sfored
07-22-2009, 07:35 AM
umm...2554s on a stock block is fine...There are plenty of people who ran that setup on pump pushing close to 500whp for years. Look at guru's 2554 thread. If it's already stage 3 with 60#, intercoolers and a stage 4 clutch then you could get a 2554kit tuned and out the door for just about $8k.

I am sure this has been discussed but how is the powerband on the 500 whp - 2554 setup vs. the RS6 setup ?

wdbdy2000s4
07-22-2009, 08:22 AM
I am sure this has been discussed but how is the powerband on the 500 whp - 2554 setup vs. the RS6 setup ?

The 2554 is very similar to an rs6 setup. There are a bunch of dyno graphs and info here:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289151

From what I've been told by 3 different people who run these turbos on stock block, they are faster on pump then any full interior k04 on race.

HardHitter
07-22-2009, 08:43 AM
So basically I can run 2554 for a while on stock engine on pump, but then once I want to "step up" do these turbos still have the potential to put out more power once I build the engine up or are they already basically maxed out to their potential on the stock block.

wdbdy2000s4
07-22-2009, 08:53 AM
the 2554s can put out 550whp on race with rods. the 2560s have slightly more lag(+/- 200rpms) but they make more power up to. People don't realize that 550whp is a lot on these cars and it will be A LOT faster then a k04 car. Even stock block RS6 cars are noticeably much faster than full weight stage 3s (pump vs. pump there is a 100whp difference). As much as we all would like a 3.0 with GT28s to be a DD, it's really just not from what I've gathered. There is no need for 700+whp through the twisties, the 034 VRT swap runs around 500-550whp at the track IIRC. I'll let Dom and Ari chime in about the characteristics of big power s4s on the street.

HardHitter
07-22-2009, 02:14 PM
the 2554s can put out 550whp on race with rods. the 2560s have slightly more lag(+/- 200rpms) but they make more power up to. People don't realize that 550whp is a lot on these cars and it will be A LOT faster then a k04 car. Even stock block RS6 cars are noticeably much faster than full weight stage 3s (pump vs. pump there is a 100whp difference). As much as we all would like a 3.0 with GT28s to be a DD, it's really just not from what I've gathered. There is no need for 700+whp through the twisties, the 034 VRT swap runs around 500-550whp at the track IIRC. I'll let Dom and Ari chime in about the characteristics of big power s4s on the street.

Thanks for the information. It all depends on some people. With me, I bought a 2005 GTO thinking "oh 450hp/450tq will be fine with me" Next you know, I add headers, then a cam and it just kept going and going.

Although the GTO was also a daily driver, I'm looking for an Stage 3 or GT S4 to buy which I will be using as my daily driver. If I get the Stage 3, then sooner or later, I'm likely going to go with a GT setup and just wanted to know the kind of upgrades I would need to go from Stage 3 to GT until I build up the stock motor.

will175
07-22-2009, 03:02 PM
Power is addicting my brotha.

B5stgIII
07-22-2009, 04:47 PM
Power is addicting

Amen

jibberjive
07-22-2009, 06:21 PM
umm...2554s on a stock block is fine...There are plenty of people who ran that setup on pump pushing close to 500whp for years. Look at guru's 2554 thread. If it's already stage 3 with 60#, intercoolers and a stage 4 clutch then you could get a 2554kit tuned and out the door for just about $8k.

Depends highly on the stage 3 and components like you said. I'd say over 50% of the stage 3's out there have 42lb injectors, a stage 3 clutch or less, and there's a ton with RS4 IC's. The stage 3 tune won't work for those either. Say you get the ARD GT kit, that's $8k before fueling or anything else, so that plus whatever else you would have to replace. If the car already has 60lb injectors, you saved $250. ER IC's, you saved big with $1400. Very few have a clutch above stage 3, so that's almost a definite $700-1400 depending on if you already have a good surfaced flywheel. You will need a new tune no matter what though, so that's $. Also need a fuel pump and some other stuff I'm sure I'm forgetting. Either way, the only stuff you'll be able to salvage from a max-ly built Stage 3 is the catback, possibly injectors, MAF, IC's and Clutch (but like I said, half of that is unlikely.)

Now if you're talking about the eliminators, then you can reuse the DP's and inlets (though they may need to be modified,) and you wouldn't need to pay for exhaust manis or turbo lines.

And agreed, 2554's could be awesome on a stock block, but if I was buying the full kit there's no way I'd not put at least rods in while the engine is out, and then I'd be prepared for more power with bigger turbos, so I wouldn't put in 2554's (if that were to be the powerband I'm looking for.)

wdbdy2000s4
07-22-2009, 06:27 PM
And agreed, 2554's could be awesome on a stock block, but if I was buying the full kit there's no way I'd not put at least rods in while the engine is out, and then I'd be prepared for more power with bigger turbos, so I wouldn't put in 2554's (if that were to be the powerband I'm looking for.)

3.0 liter or bust.

jibberjive
07-22-2009, 07:25 PM
3.0 liter or bust.

Haha not my train of thought at all. I know big builds aren't for everyone, and therefore I don't think full $8k base price GT kits are for everyone. Just stating my opinion that I, personally, wouldn't put a full GT kit on my car without doing at least rods. Another clause to that logic, if I had rods and a full GT kit on my car, I would put on bigger turbos than GT2554's. It's the snowball effect and look where's it's gotten me now[=(]

If someone is looking for GT2554 powerband and potential, then why go all out with the full kit when assumedly similar results could be had with GT2554 eliminators for $3k less?

HardHitter
07-22-2009, 09:39 PM
So just for myself and others

GT25's are fine for stock blocks
GT28's should have upgraded 2.7 or larger

jibberjive
07-22-2009, 09:53 PM
So just for myself and others

GT25's are fine for stock blocks
GT28's should have upgraded 2.7 or larger

Honestly, just do some research on here cause it's all been covered time and again. Short answer, GT25's would be fine for a stock block if you have the discipline to not want more power than the stock block can handle, because those turbos have the power potential to blow a stock block. When you start to consider cost, that's when things get complicated and when certain turbo sizes/setups seem like the logical choice and others seem ill placed (like a full GT kit with manis/dp's/external wastegates on a stock block GT2554 setup.) Set some powerband/lag/peak power/budget/application goals and go from there. If you start a new thread and are very specific about the things I listed above, I'm sure you'll get a great response and there will be many who are more than willing to help you pick out the right setup for you.

HardHitter
07-22-2009, 11:07 PM
Thanks for the help! I'll continued my research :)

sub_rho
10-06-2009, 06:05 PM
That is a true piece of work. Those could wake up a neighborhood anytimee.

Raacerx
10-21-2009, 02:32 AM
so how do I get in touch with someone about getting these manifolds? easy enough to get some 38mm Tial ports too? im having a hardtime finding contact info... just really curious on the price and availability. please PM me if anyone has any advice.

revhards4
10-21-2009, 05:30 AM
ardesign.org or vastperformance.com

DaveWorksLocal
03-29-2010, 01:10 AM
Could these be had with a V-band flange as opposed to a T-25 or T3/4?

Evilevo
03-29-2010, 08:54 AM
Holy old thread batman!

Pretty sure ARD only uses the VBand flanges now.

TweetsS4Estate
03-29-2010, 02:41 PM
was there any final dyno numbers/ 1/4 mile times? before he blew the turbo?

Tech/Sales@VAST
03-29-2010, 03:13 PM
was there any final dyno numbers/ 1/4 mile times? before he blew the turbo?Cant believe this thread is alive haha

Before who blew the turbo

Tech/Sales@VAST
03-29-2010, 03:18 PM
We've been setup for Vband manifolds for near 2 years, with the Tial Vband turbine housings being very hard to get at first we delayed releasing the kit. Now that there easily obtainable we have several Vbanded kits coming out very soon.

DaveWorksLocal
04-01-2010, 05:03 PM
Good to hear :)

TweetsS4Estate
04-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Cant believe this thread is alive haha

Before who blew the turbo

lil is300~!!!!