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Seerlah
04-11-2008, 10:21 AM
I am going to start upgrading my vehicle, starting with a service scheduled for Tuesday to get the car to full specs. Minus the front passenger side wheel bearing, but that is a cheap job. Yes, I am a stocker. The only thing I want to do for now is replace my turbo (not bt), chip, labreee high flow cat, and Milltek exhuast. So, I have a few questions:

1. Will the Labree and Milltek work well? Will they line up correct as I read threads of indivuals whom run into problems connecting the downpipe to the cat (I think that is what it is) sometimes because the way they line up are different. So, they usually have an exhuast shop settle that dispute.

2. I was planning on just replacing my turbo with a new kkk K03s, but came across this site (http://www.gpopshop.com/kkkturbos.html) that says I can upgrade to a k04 for an extra $100. But how will my car run if I replace the turbo before chip? Can it just be simply swapped with no issues? Or do I need to have a cat back exhaust and chip on before the k04? Or it does not matter?

These are my steps:
1. Car to full specs on Tues (minus wheel bearing).
2, 3, or 4. High Flow Cat&Milltek, New Turbo, *Dahlback chip (can you tell me the proper steps so that I do not run into complications?)

*not looking for a bt setup and I hear Dahlback is the best for the 01. But will that work for the k04 as I think it is designed for the k03s? Otherwise, it is GIAC.

Thanks!

fikes
04-11-2008, 10:36 AM
For the k04 it will bolt right up so really nothing is needed for it. If you want to run higher boost and make it work better/harder then a few supporting mods would be needed. Labree HFC is a good idea as is a exhaust. The chip will be needed to get the boost up there and GIAC is a great choice although right now there has been a few problems with their program. I ran into the problem that if your looking to do a worked k04 ex"HFC, exhaust, intake, FMIC, etc" then you maby just should have gone BT since your system would then be able to run it but you have a k04 still attached. Its up to you but k04 seems like waste of money unless your doing a bolt on and be done with it.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 10:49 AM
Yeah, a bt is out of my price range. I figure this set up will be around $2500-3000 parts and labor. My original plan was to just get chipped and exhaust, then I thought I should place a fresh stock turbo before I did that. Then I saw that deal on the link pprovided and now have other thoughts. A bt is around $4000-$6000 parts and labor while I am looking around $2500.

But what you are saying, is I can essentially just replace the stock k03s with this turbo with no problems? No software needed while install? Then I can go with my original plan that is a high flow cat, exhaust, and chip?

But I searched and came across a thread (start at post #14 (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168645&highlight=k03s+part+number)) whom had an indiividual having his car throw engine too lean codes without software. Some say it will run fine while others say it will not. If I get the Dahlback before I get the k04, will this software run fine with the k04? Or would I need to go GIAC?

Edit: One more thing, will I need a new manifold?

fikes
04-11-2008, 11:04 AM
First off BT can be 2000-3000 if you do the labor yourself if not then yes its going to be allot. Second it threw a code because the HFC cell count was prob 200. If you went with something like 400 it should not. You can Always just get the 200 anyway and get the anti-fouler mod for it so it does not. Do a lil research like you been doing and you should find the answers. You should not need a new manifold unless your want a bigger ported one which will allow more flow but not necessary. You should also wait on the chip as if you went with giac get the pc-16 package which is a little more aggressive.

Tiluleshpingen
04-11-2008, 11:14 AM
Yeah, a bt is out of my price range. I figure this set up will be around $2500-3000 parts and labor. My original plan was to just get chipped and exhaust, then I thought I should place a fresh stock turbo before I did that. Then I saw that deal on the link pprovided and now have other thoughts. A bt is around $4000-$6000 parts and labor while I am looking around $2500.

But what you are saying, is I can essentially just replace the stock k03s with this turbo with no problems? No software needed while install? Then I can go with my original plan that is a high flow cat, exhaust, and chip?

But I searched and came across a thread (start at post #14 (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168645&highlight=k03s+part+number)) whom had an indiividual having his car throw engine too lean codes without software. Some say it will run fine while others say it will not. If I get the Dahlback before I get the k04, will this software run fine with the k04? Or would I need to go GIAC?

Edit: One more thing, will I need a new manifold?

like fikes said you can go eliminator with that kind of money might be a litte over 2500 but its alot better (HP) wise then k04.

MikeWasHere05
04-11-2008, 11:14 AM
Look for some bargains in the classifieds, be patient and your wallet will thank you. I built an entire aggressive K04 setup for under 2 grand. Its good for low 14s with high 13 potential in the quarter mile.

Exhaust with test pipe - 600
Front mount with piping - 200
Turbo - 420
Injectors - 130
Fuel pressure regulator - 75
Tune - 200 (discount since I'm already a GIAC customer)

If you just want a basic K04 setup all you need is the exhaust, turbo and tune I believe.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 11:18 AM
I just called Dahlback and am waiting for them to call me back to see if they have a file for the set up I am running. But I do not know about the high flow cat cell. Meannig, I have no idea what that is? 400? 200? Sorry if you feel I am pestering you, but I could just run the k04 with my stock cat and exhaust? Then when I get my high flow cat, specify to the guys at Labree what I am running with and he should have the correct cat for me. And for the ECU file, I am waiting on the phone call back to talk with those guys to see what they tell me. BUt I can install that k04 with my stock setup with no problems? Just have correct cat or else I will have problems?

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 11:23 AM
Do you guys mean this http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=1363. Seems to be the cheapest. All I would need are bigger fuel injectors and bigger exhaust outlet set up I was going to get? That does seem cheaper.

Tiluleshpingen
04-11-2008, 11:26 AM
Do you guys mean this http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=1363. Seems to be the cheapest. All I would need are bigger fuel injectors and bigger exhaust outlet set up I was going to get? That does seem cheaper.

no thats not a good turbo speacilly since its only oilcooled
adn its a bit pricey check ATPTURBO.COM

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 11:58 AM
I always seen people on this forum talking about thier bt set ups, but I had no idea that it could be done at the prices I am seeing, nor have any clue about bt set ups. Well, I am going to do more search on the GT2871R Eliminator and go that route. Anything bigger and I would need new rods and exhaust manifold (though is recommended anyways). People seem to be getting all this done for less (used) than the price I was looking for a k04 set up. Thanks!

fikes
04-11-2008, 12:08 PM
I think your thinking like I used to. I used to think anything BT your going to need to work the engine to handle. A stock motor will handle at BT setup but you can just run less boost. Your also going to save yourself allot of cash by doing the stuff yourself. gt28rs will work just fine on a stock motor but the boost can not be cranked to full. The only thing your are going to need extra for the BT setup is a new clutch. 500 can get you a nice southbend and then you can get your flywheel resurfaced. I don't know myself but I have heard after you do k04 you want more power and just wish you went BT. Here is the 034 kit that can be bolt on with few supporting mods need "clutch, intake, exaust, possibly ebay fmic" http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_102&products_id=268

Edit: here is the ATP one as well which has downpipe and manifold a lil more pricey. http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-124

MikeWasHere05
04-11-2008, 12:16 PM
I think your thinking like I used to. I used to think anything BT your going to need to work the engine to handle. A stock motor will handle at BT setup but you can just run less boost. Your also going to save yourself allot of cash by doing the stuff yourself. gt28rs will work just fine on a stock motor but the boost can not be cranked to full. The only thing your are going to need extra for the BT setup is a new clutch. 500 can get you a nice southbend and then you can get your flywheel resurfaced. I don't know myself but I have heard after you do k04 you want more power and just wish you went BT. Here is the 034 kit that can be bolt on with few supporting mods need "clutch, intake, exaust, possibly ebay fmic" http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_102&products_id=268

Edit: here is the ATP one as well which has downpipe and manifold a lil more pricey. http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-124
Concerning the "more power" thing, its true and false. I have a PC-16 setup and do I wish I had more power? Of course. But I'm sure Mike Hood wants more power as well. However for the price I've paid I'm more than happy with the power I've got. Really anything past a chip is diminishing returns...

Whatever route you go you won't be "not happy". That is unless you blow the engine [headbang].

fikes
04-11-2008, 12:20 PM
Well there is always the want for more power but as long as you set a price limit and can control yourself then going with a gt28rs would be fine as long as your not going to start to go crazy with mods after you get it. Getting a bigger turbo is all about self control unless you don't have a max price you want to spend then go crazy.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 12:27 PM
The only thing I am seeing as engine wise safety is new rods if going bt. But it seems that is only needed if going larger than GT2871R. Other that that, it seems all should be included in the kit chosen, software, and correct tuning. I am just going to keep my eyes on the classified and keep my car as a stocker for the meantime (tints and system keep me comforted). But sorry for this noob question. I already purchased a Forge 007 a while ago, never installed. And if I went bt, I would be using a BOV? Or am I incorrect? Can I still keep the 007 if I go bt or should I just place it in classified right away and throw that money into the bt pot?

fikes
04-11-2008, 12:35 PM
Keep the DV its better than the BOV unless sound is what your going for.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 12:42 PM
Nope, I always liked quieter. That is why I wanted the Milltek exhaust.

fikes
04-11-2008, 12:52 PM
a DV is a recirculation valve and the bov exhaust the air out thats the pshhh or whatever type bov it is sound that you hear when you shift.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 12:55 PM
What is the software used by 034 motorsports? I mean mika(I always see bad stroies about them) christapp, unitronics, revo, etc

fikes
04-11-2008, 01:03 PM
ChrisTapp seems to be the most used for bt+ setups. Has a good history and is reliable software.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 01:05 PM
I was actually referring to the link you proovided (http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?products_id=270)

Edit: Oh, I just noticed the different turbo. That software seems to be tuned for a different turbo. I am leaning towards the GT2871 or bigger.

fikes
04-11-2008, 01:25 PM
Thats just what it recommends other software will work as long as its tuned to the correct turbo. It also seems your already falling into the bigger turbo problem. At first you wanted a k04 now that you know a gt28rs is more power for about the same your now want a 2871r or bigger. You need to set a price limit for now and stick with it otherwise you will keep running into this problem.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 01:46 PM
I noticed that. Forget the bigger thing I added. I am going to just stick with the GT2871. But don't know the difference between the eliminator and the full. The only thing I have learned of the difference is the wastegate. Sorry for turning this thread into a discussion about something I should search for, but what is the difference between an internal and external wastegate. I got a call from Dhalback and they have tuning for this kit. So, more than likely I will use thier tuning. The things I see I need so far is the GT2871, injectors, inlet pipe, intake, and manifold (going to keep an eye on classified for complete kit at cheapest price). Oh, and a fmic. And if I do my rods and pistons, then I can add more boost (power). Is that about it? Other than tuning it to get the correct specs before I blow the engine?

I read a thread where it looked people frowned upon the eliminator kit. Why is that?

Edit: Now I know what you are talking. Bigger means bigger pockets. That is something I don't have. As the clutch is another money pit. But still, all in all I think I can make the whole thing work for less than $3000 (kit, clutch, fmic, software, parts and labor). Just have to set pace. My current objective.

fikes
04-11-2008, 02:11 PM
Yes your going to want to run low boost and if your planing on keeping your car for awhile then you can run it till it blows build it up then run more boost. Another thing is don't expect to have everything right away its going to take some time to get all the stuff so don't think its going to all happen in a day the parts are going to take awhile to come together.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 02:18 PM
Just realised on how much time. I should have all by next summer hopefully. It is better that way though, as to find the best possible prices. Thanks for all your help on persuading me to join the bt club. Unoffically.

Edit: One last question. Can I go ahead and get the labree high flow cat and milltek exhaust or is there something that changes when the turbo is installed? And I would have to can one or both of them.

fikes
04-11-2008, 03:05 PM
depends if your getting a new manifold if your going to mount it above or below "up or down". Figure that out then get the hfc or test pipe.

Seerlah
04-11-2008, 03:12 PM
Yeah, just figured out going bt is not simple parts and labor. There are decisions. Well, it really does seem like pick parts and install, but there are couple options that change things. LIke this exhaust siituation. I think I should just hold on for whole situation till I figure it out. So far, all I know is gt2871r, manifold, and fmic. I need to search more about the intake set up, injectors (I am assuming they vary with tune), and whatever else comes along. I have a little while though to think about this. As for now, just going to get my minor repairs fixed (leaks) and wheel bearing.