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NYCVR6
02-11-2008, 06:50 PM
Anybody know what i can do with shit?? [confused]

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00040.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00039.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00041.jpg

JayyyyyC
02-11-2008, 06:53 PM
Yea I know! You should donate it to a poor college student, but you should screen for the perfect student. They must have an S4, and they must have good grades. I know a student that would fall in perfectly for those requirements. ME

=D Have fun with that. Sweet stuff.

exorcet
02-11-2008, 06:54 PM
mmmm yeah you can install them on my car!

Beautiful wastegates! Tell us all about them -- what's the setup?

94jedi
02-11-2008, 06:56 PM
oh man.... you're going to have some serious fun. How was mexico? I might just have to go to WF this year just to get a ride in your car...assuming it's all done by then!

GURUMAN
02-11-2008, 07:04 PM
WTF are those huge turbos JUSTIN ?

ubermidget
02-11-2008, 07:07 PM
didnt think that was plan b/c those defintly aren't rs6's??!!! whats the setup gonna be

AB18
02-11-2008, 07:08 PM
That is a nice surprise, what are the specs on them?

NYCVR6
02-11-2008, 07:15 PM
Yea I know! You should donate it to a poor college student, but you should screen for the perfect student. They must have an S4, and they must have good grades. I know a student that would fall in perfectly for those requirements. ME


=D Have fun with that. Sweet stuff.

Haha, i wish i could donate them, but im pretty sure i sold my soul for these parts....


oh man.... you're going to have some serious fun. How was mexico? I might just have to go to WF this year just to get a ride in your car...assuming it's all done by then!

Mexico was great, a little chilly at night but otherwise i had a blast. The women are so damn hot there.. It will definitely be done by waterfest, and if you cant make it, chances are i will be around your way for H20..


WTF are those huge turbos JUSTIN ?

Besides a big waste of money? haha Specs to come real soon...


didnt think that was plan b/c those defintly aren't rs6's??!!! whats the setup gonna be

Yea innovative kept delaying me so i made a change of plans...


That is a nice surprise, what are the specs on them?

I'll let out the specs real soon... Maybe some guesses...

BTW the clutch/flywheel setup is ASP's and it looks like a real sweet setup..

BIG BIG BIG props to Clay... I owe you, let me know when you're coming through again..

Silence
02-11-2008, 07:54 PM
Well with such small turbine housings, there's no doubt theyre for the s4..props for doing something new.

generationjdm
02-11-2008, 08:11 PM
looks like a t3 exhaust flange, the turbos look enormous what manifolds r u going with?

Kruat
02-11-2008, 08:17 PM
what should you do with them??? How bout give them to me? I'll even pay shipping...

AudiA4_20T
02-11-2008, 08:20 PM
Hey Justin good shit man... Cant wait till Waterfest

PoloIceberg
02-11-2008, 08:23 PM
Justin props to you and good luck all the way!!!!!!!

Its funny cuz i came home to a nice package but not that nice!

W1CK3D
02-11-2008, 08:31 PM
...jesus I'm scared

s2the4
02-11-2008, 08:45 PM
justin I don't think it's going to be fair if I am running my small ass K04's against your gigantic turbos that could swallow mine and spit it out through the hot side. Hows is your transmission doing? I want at least 10 car lengths and you have to have 4 people in the car and then we can call it a race I want a rematch!!

NYCVR6
02-11-2008, 09:10 PM
looks like a t3 exhaust flange, the turbos look enormous what manifolds r u going with?

Good eye [up] Manifolds will be custom..

NYCVR6
02-11-2008, 09:12 PM
Justin props to you and good luck all the way!!!!!!!

Its funny cuz i came home to a nice package but not that nice!

I was just talking to mike about your car..[up]

NYCVR6
02-11-2008, 09:14 PM
justin I don't think it's going to be fair if I am running my small ass K04's against your gigantic turbos that could swallow mine and spit it out through the hot side. Hows is your transmission doing? I want at least 10 car lengths and you have to have 4 people in the car and then we can call it a race I want a rematch!!


My trans has been good since i did the rebuild. We'll do some pulls at h20 for fun.. [up]

Thanks everyone for the compliments.. I will update with the specs on those turbos soon, dont want to let the whole cat out of the bag at once, that's just no fun. [:D]

GURUMAN
02-12-2008, 04:46 AM
It makes my turbos look so small !

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/Dom026.jpg

GURUMAN
02-12-2008, 04:47 AM
Here is for you: [:D]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/guruman.jpg

highPSI-S4
02-12-2008, 04:56 AM
UMMM, those are better than 2 hot twins during an all night session.

Dr.Duct
02-12-2008, 05:04 AM
Justin, whats up man? b-e-a-utiful turd-o's.

Hopefully this year your trans will hold up at h20 : P.

none the less, this looks to be a promising set up.. I think J rock (white supra) is going to go down and run some race gas, so that could potentially be a nice little run : )

pm'ed you as well

MiniRS4
02-12-2008, 07:14 AM
My trans has been good since i did the rebuild. We'll do some pulls at h20 for fun.. [up]

Thanks everyone for the compliments.. I will update with the specs on those turbos soon, dont want to let the whole cat out of the bag at once, that's just no fun. [:D]

welcome back guy. where in mexico did you go? im supposed to be down in Monterrey this wknd. id like to make it but may not be able to. LMK, -G

ubermidget
02-12-2008, 07:46 AM
watch out GT's...i have a feeling these T series cars are gonna be comin for you

is this going to be a similar setup to s-fored imola?? or do you not wanna let the cat out of the bag yet

PoloIceberg
02-12-2008, 08:04 AM
I was just talking to mike about your car..[up]

Lol he told you about the ko3s I ordered![:D][cool][wrench]

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 08:10 AM
Justin, whats up man? b-e-a-utiful turd-o's.

Hopefully this year your trans will hold up at h20 : P.

none the less, this looks to be a promising set up.. I think J rock (white supra) is going to go down and run some race gas, so that could potentially be a nice little run : )

pm'ed you as well

What's up... I hope my trans holds up as well.
I highly doubt ill give a decent run to a single turbo supra on race gas... but im always up for fun.. [up]

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 08:11 AM
welcome back guy. where in mexico did you go? im supposed to be down in Monterrey this wknd. id like to make it but may not be able to. LMK, -G

I was in Cabo San Lucas.. I keep forgetting to store your number.. Give me a call whenever.

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 08:13 AM
watch out GT's...i have a feeling these T series cars are gonna be comin for you

is this going to be a similar setup to s-fored imola?? or do you not wanna let the cat out of the bag yet

Im not familiar with s-fored imolas setup.. No big tricks here... Just throwing in some rods, rebuilding the head with supertech valve springs and retainers... new clutch, custom manis, tetc.. T series?

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 08:13 AM
Lol he told you about the ko3s I ordered![:D][cool][wrench]

Yep K03's [:D]

ubermidget
02-12-2008, 08:28 AM
thought i spotted a t3 flange, guess i was wrong with the series

ill be waiting to see the specs

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 08:32 AM
Here is for you: [:D]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/guruman.jpg

Haha right back at you bro.. we gotta link up at waterfest this year [up]

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 08:43 AM
Some more goodies...
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00045.jpg

JMTx86
02-12-2008, 08:43 AM
Anybody know what i can do with shit?? [confused]

I have a really good idea. Donate them to my charity, all proceeds go to me. [up]

You staying with the stock pistons?

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 09:11 AM
You staying with the stock pistons?

Yep, stock pistons for now..

Some more crap from piggie...
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00046.jpg

JMTx86
02-12-2008, 09:18 AM
Whats cams? rs4? or something more aggressive?

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 09:30 AM
Rs4

2001S4NY
02-12-2008, 09:41 AM
[up][up] cant wait to see the car in person, nice project [wrench]

Apollo13
02-12-2008, 09:44 AM
I was in Cabo San Lucas.. I keep forgetting to store your number.. Give me a call whenever.

CABBOOO WAABOOOO[:D]

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 10:38 AM
[up][up] cant wait to see the car in person, nice project [wrench]

Likewise Greg [up] New York should have some pretty fast s4's this coming season.

PoloIceberg
02-12-2008, 11:41 AM
[up] New York should have some pretty fast s4's this coming season.

+1 [cool]

sean1.8t
02-12-2008, 01:07 PM
thought i spotted a t3 flange, guess i was wrong with the series

ill be waiting to see the specs

not sure if you understand what the specs of turbo's are broken up into..

the flanges are broken up into different sizes(T25, T3, T4) and have nothing to do with the turbo's internal components

components such as:

GT series- both oil and coolant cooled dual ball bearing turbo.(this turbo is also un rebuildable)

T series- only oil cooled journal bearing turbo that can be rebuilt time and time again.

both of these garrett turbo's have options for any of the different flange sizes. it just depends on the size of the turbo.. you don't want a gt25 w/ a T4 flange..



but these turbo's are definately T3 flanged and look to be GT2871r's with a .63 A/R. either way, your car is going to be beastly man. good luck [up]

generationjdm
02-12-2008, 01:16 PM
doesn't look like a gt comp cover to me, definitely looks like a T3 cover with a 3inch inlet exhaust flange looks like a T3 dp flange looks like a T3, she sure is looking like a T3 to me.. Gt center section r cheap to buy they r replaceable..

ubermidget
02-12-2008, 01:21 PM
doesn't look like a gt comp cover to me, definitely looks like a t3 cover with a 3inch inlet.


yeah didnt think it was a GT turbo.....NYC is the only one who can tell

generationjdm
02-12-2008, 01:25 PM
I have a pretty close guess what size it might be, but will what and see.

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 02:17 PM
Ok since everyone is speculating this and that let me put some info out... The turbos have 3071R centers, 2871 comp wheels, 30r turbine wheels, t3 .48 turbine housings, custom hi flow comp housings (more info to come on those) ... Call it what you will, i consider it some sort of frankenstein turbo... Spec'd out by my good buddy Rippinralf.

ubermidget
02-12-2008, 03:04 PM
sick.

Clay @ Kinetic
02-12-2008, 05:29 PM
BIG BIG BIG props to Clay... I owe you, let me know when you're coming through again..

No prob my man [cool] thanx for the ride to CT last year and the queens tour!



watch out GT's...i have a feeling these T series cars are gonna be comin for you

Yup, those are GT's, you're not the only one to call them T's



doesn't look like a gt comp cover to me, definitely looks like a T3 cover with a 3inch inlet exhaust flange looks like a T3 dp flange looks like a T3, she sure is looking like a T3 to me.. Gt center section r cheap to buy they r replaceable..

The cast housings are much cheaper than the GT Cartridges and the complex bearing systems in them, the bearings alone are around $200 at cost from the manufacturer that supplies Garrett. The comp housings are custom cast high flow pieces, and T3 turbine housings are routinely used on GT3076R series turbos, just look on the ATP site, they are an option.

generationjdm
02-12-2008, 06:08 PM
I figured it was a gt30 with a .48

Silence
02-12-2008, 06:18 PM
ya, i knew the hotside was a .48.

AudiA4_20T
02-12-2008, 06:46 PM
arent those things gonna be laggy as hell? I guess the built heads will compensate?

quattro16
02-12-2008, 06:54 PM
Daaaammmmmmmnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sean1.8t
02-12-2008, 06:55 PM
^the .48 A/R will keep the lagg down

NYCVR6
02-12-2008, 07:17 PM
^the .48 A/R will keep the lagg down

That's what me and Clay and i figured when we spec'd them out.. We'll see how it works out. [up]

ToMMyRsK04
02-12-2008, 07:28 PM
Likewise Greg [up] New York should have some pretty fast s4's this coming season.

[:D]

generationjdm
02-12-2008, 07:29 PM
^the .48 A/R will keep the lagg downThe .48 is a percentage in relation of the overall comp side,if that turbine side was on a k04 it would be an ar of .80+...

sean1.8t
02-12-2008, 07:44 PM
The .48 is a percentage in relation of the overall comp side

yes, i know

blackbenzz
02-12-2008, 08:33 PM
Nice! [up] Cant wait to see some numbers!!! Maybe see you again at H2O

Overboostin
02-12-2008, 08:35 PM
What's the expected spool up rpm for these babys?

lil' is 300
02-12-2008, 09:52 PM
[:D]

Will be an interesting summer. [drive]

MiniRS4
02-12-2008, 11:13 PM
Will be an interesting summer. [drive]

it'll only be interesting if the people who are going all out, actually run their cars.

i cant speak for everybody, but im sure all the QUEENS-Heads will be up for it. dunno bout anyone else tho... lots o' fronters up north... im not talkin bout you, but just a lot of others...

should be an interesting summer... 2nd that![drive]

ToMMyRsK04
02-12-2008, 11:26 PM
it'll only be interesting if the people who are going all out, actually run their cars.

i cant speak for everybody, but im sure all the QUEENS-Heads will be up for it. dunno bout anyone else tho... lots o' fronters up north... im not talkin bout you, but just a lot of others...

should be an interesting summer... 2nd that![drive]

should be veryy interesting .. [:D] .. you know me G loll I'd run anythinggg just like I did with my Stg3+ when it was out

ToMMyRsK04
02-12-2008, 11:28 PM
Will be an interesting summer. [drive]

[:p] yess sirr

MiniRS4
02-13-2008, 12:20 AM
[:p] yess sirr

fo sho. too bad you will be looking like this for a hot minute... [mad][eek][confused][down]

http://lh5.google.com/AMosisoglu/R6LWEN3ezKI/AAAAAAAAAX8/XsELuaEVYDI/IMG_2298.JPG
http://lh6.google.com/AMosisoglu/R6LWDd3ezJI/AAAAAAAAAX0/Rl9sIEG5L1Q/IMG_2297.JPG

[mad][eek][confused][down][mad][eek][confused][down][mad][eek][confused][down] help i think im stuck in the wiring! LOL, jk... [:D][cool][up][wrench][drive][race]

ToMMyRsK04
02-13-2008, 12:34 AM
lmaooo we'll see we'll see .. sickkkk setup thoughh [wrench] .. maybe in the future when I get bored of my new setup .. like I said .. I'll let you take a look at my engine bay when it's all said and done [up] as of now .. all I can say is you better be upgrading G [:D]

MiniRS4
02-13-2008, 01:15 AM
JUSTIN, thanks for checkin those #'s for me. MUCH APPRECIATED MANG!

btw, you are the most popularist dude. this post got mad viewed within a day's time. Good job! [cool]

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 02:27 AM
JUSTIN, thanks for checkin those #'s for me. MUCH APPRECIATED MANG!

btw, you are the most popularist dude. this post got mad viewed within a day's time. Good job! [cool]

Haha, no problem man, glad to help when i can. [up]

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 02:28 AM
lmaooo we'll see we'll see .. sickkkk setup thoughh [wrench] .. maybe in the future when I get bored of my new setup .. like I said .. I'll let you take a look at my engine bay when it's all said and done [up] as of now .. all I can say is you better be upgrading G [:D]

Bored of your new setup? hahahahaha. that aint going to happen. I think you're going to shit yourself if things work out as planned. Better hold on tight. [:D]

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 02:29 AM
Nice! [up] Cant wait to see some numbers!!! Maybe see you again at H2O

Thanks man, ill be there for sure. [up]

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 02:30 AM
What's the expected spool up rpm for these babys?

Hard to say, time will tell.

GURUMAN
02-13-2008, 03:59 AM
On the same RPM note in mind.

Your box of supertech goddies look alot like mine.

What are your rpm expectations on your setup ?

Mike at Unitronic is saying for my setup a max of 8k, just wondering if it's his custom chip or mechanical limit of the rotationnal parts.[confused]

PoloIceberg
02-13-2008, 04:56 AM
it'll only be interesting if the people who are going all out, actually run their cars.

i cant speak for everybody, but im sure all the QUEENS-Heads will be up for it. dunno bout anyone else tho... lots o' fronters up north... im not talkin bout you, but just a lot of others...

should be an interesting summer... 2nd that![drive]

G, u know me, im not from queens but I run my car HARD!!! All those times me, u and panix went to the track last season!![drive][drive] I cant wait until the track opens up this season!!!

ToMMyRsK04
02-13-2008, 07:05 AM
Bored of your new setup? hahahahaha. that aint going to happen. I think you're going to shit yourself if things work out as planned. Better hold on tight. [:D]

hahahahaa [:D]

Euro-Tuner
02-13-2008, 07:13 AM
UMMM, those are better than 2 hot twins during an all night session.

I know I am too into my car when I agree with this statement...

Clay @ Kinetic
02-13-2008, 07:26 AM
this cars gonna be a monster

1997gtx
02-13-2008, 07:43 AM
Justin, any plans for break boosting or anything else to help build the boost quicker? I knwo you're confident that the .48A/R will keep lag down as much as possible, but any thoughts in case it doesn't work as expected?
--Adam

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 09:15 AM
Justin, any plans for break boosting or anything else to help build the boost quicker? I knwo you're confident that the .48A/R will keep lag down as much as possible, but any thoughts in case it doesn't work as expected?
--Adam

I have never even tried to brake boost in the s4, i didnt even think it would work. You ever try it? Hell if the lag is terrible, i can try a different turbo combo, or even spray a bit. [:D]

generationjdm
02-13-2008, 09:31 AM
I've been in a gt2871 car and it was like HmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmWooooooooooW, and your stuff is even larger start looking for spray.haha

1997gtx
02-13-2008, 09:37 AM
^^^ That's what i'm saying.

Justin, yes, i've break boosted, but not in the S4. It's awfully rough on all the parts, and I wouldn't recommend it. But, I'd suggest something built into the equation that will help curb the lag while the build is still new.
--Adam

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 10:03 AM
I've been in a gt2871 car and it was like HmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmWooooooooooW, and your stuff is even larger start looking for spray.haha

Ive got a wet kit sitting in my garage just collecting dust, haha. But id rather not use it. We put a lot of thought into the turbo specs, hopefully it works out as planned.

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 10:04 AM
Justin, yes, i've break boosted, but not in the S4. It's awfully rough on all the parts, and I wouldn't recommend it. But, I'd suggest something built into the equation that will help curb the lag while the build is still new.
--Adam

Drag racing from a stop, lag is not a problem. Tires spin, boost comes on fast. We'll see how it works out. From a roll, ill probably have a problem, but racing from a roll is gay. [:D]

1997gtx
02-13-2008, 10:18 AM
^^^ Haha, agreed. But, if I were bulding a 1-off custom set-up, i'd want everything to be perfect for all occasions [;)].

I see your point, though.
--Adam

AudiSportB5S4
02-13-2008, 10:32 AM
my K04s are big turbos to me. i hate threads like this makes me feel like they arent, but you know what, THEY ARE ! lol, good luck with everything, hopefully catch your car @ waterfest this year. dont go out like the last white S4 did last year [cool][:p]

Das General
02-13-2008, 11:03 AM
Drag racing from a stop, lag is not a problem. Tires spin, boost comes on fast. We'll see how it works out. From a roll, ill probably have a problem, but racing from a roll is gay. [:D]


Caught in the midst of a gay act! [eek]

= ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ReO-R9rEQQ)

haha, but seriously, if you were to do some homeway pull, just sit right outside of boost....you will pass whomever in a second or two!

those turbos are badass looking.

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Caught in the midst of a gay act! [eek]

= ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ReO-R9rEQQ)

haha, but seriously, if you were to do some homeway pull, just sit right outside of boost....you will pass whomever in a second or two!

those turbos are badass looking.

Haha, busted! Id much prefer to run from a dig though. [up]

Das General
02-13-2008, 11:28 AM
True story...thats where the true skills shine. So tell us some more about this setup.

Clay @ Kinetic
02-13-2008, 12:44 PM
A 48ar T3 turbine housings is comprable to 64ar T25

Compressor wheel is the same as a GT2871R, turbine wheel is larger than the GT2871R wheel, but very efficient, these turbos shouldn't be very laggy with the right tune.

AMC
02-13-2008, 01:09 PM
seriously dude, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING!!!!

Going to mexico and then coming home to that!!! wow[eek]

2001S4NY
02-13-2008, 01:25 PM
seriously dude, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING!!!!

Going to mexico and then coming home to that!!! wow[eek]


hes a hitman for hire [:D]

GURUMAN
02-13-2008, 02:03 PM
If you still get to much lag from running those huge turbos, I'll sell you my spare engine [:D]

Here's a clip, this engine is not longer than a 2.7L...[up]
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/domy954/?action=view&current=dom071.flv

GURUMAN
02-13-2008, 02:14 PM
Hey Justin:


On the same RPM note in mind.

Your box of supertech goddies look alot like mine.

What are your rpm expectations on your setup ?

Mike at Unitronic is saying for my setup a max of 8k, just wondering if it's his custom chip or mechanical limit of the rotationnal parts.

Whats your take ?

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 02:35 PM
hes a hitman for hire [:D]

Shhh... The feds monitor AZ [:D]

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 02:36 PM
Hey Justin:



Whats your take ?

8K for sure, maybe ill push the envelope a little bit to see if things want to break. [:D]

Tallbino
02-13-2008, 03:14 PM
I remember when justin first came on here and just wanted a nice, reliable 11 second daily driver. Looks like you're going for broke now!!! Just awesome!

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 03:21 PM
I remember when justin first came on here and just wanted a nice, reliable 11 second daily driver. Looks like you're going for broke now!!! Just awesome!

I still want it nice, hopefully reliable, mid 11's on pump gas without beating the hell out of the car is my goal.

blackbenzz
02-13-2008, 07:00 PM
I still want it nice, hopefully reliable, mid 11's on pump gas without beating the hell out of the car is my goal.

You should definitely be there with your new setup. Are you gonna run it at waterfest?

That was my goal too but when you reach it, and even pass it, you still want more. Trust me [:D]

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 07:42 PM
You should definitely be there with your new setup. Are you gonna run it at waterfest?

That was my goal too but when you reach it, and even pass it, you still want more. Trust me [:D]

Trust me i know.. My last car was this:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/5.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/4-1.jpg

670whp 2200 lbs

Here it is when it was still street driven (550whp at 2600 lbs):
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/2-2.jpg

I should be at waterfest [up]

blackbenzz
02-13-2008, 07:57 PM
^ Damnnnnnnnnnnnnn [eek]

FWD FTL though [;)]

NYCVR6
02-13-2008, 07:59 PM
FWD FTL though [;)]

That's for sure [down]

junk t.i.
02-13-2008, 08:29 PM
Justiiiiiiin lol

pushing it further along by the day as usual huh? new project looks awesome.

yeah I have been lurking around here a little bit, trying to offer some fairly priced labor to the audi guys as well as the VW peeps. with the mortgage and a lil baby boy on the way this april, I gotta keep hustling

ya know I have been thinking of going your route and getting rid of the gti and going for a S4 :)

Pat

Das General
02-13-2008, 08:40 PM
So who is gonna do your fueling and tune? Or is that top secret?

Keep me posted, I'll see you at the track again, I got some good videos of you running last year.

2001S4NY
02-13-2008, 08:54 PM
So who is gonna do your fueling and tune? Or is that top secret?

Keep me posted, I'll see you at the track again, I got some good videos of you running last year.

im 100% sure hes going with a stand alone

Das General
02-13-2008, 08:57 PM
ohh interesting...but that makes sense consider no one has really tuned for those big ass turbos.

generationjdm
02-13-2008, 09:09 PM
I personally think no matter how well they get tuned or how well the manifold design is they won't be fully spooled until 5500+rpms...

AB18
02-13-2008, 09:13 PM
I think they will spool before 5500+ rpms, by how much im not sure. I think that head work/higher displacement will help. Ive never run a massive turbo/s on anything, so i can't say for certain.

sean1.8t
02-13-2008, 09:30 PM
well first off, "fully spooled" is a relative and subjective term

twin gt28rs's on a 2.7t usually act like a single gt28rs on a 1.8t. full spool by 3800rpm from what i've seen and whitnessed.. but i see these things hitting 25psi by 4500rpms..

besides, the car is going to be cooking by the time they hit 10psi, you won't even notice too much..

why is it that the 2.7t guys are afraid of lagg?

generationjdm
02-13-2008, 09:32 PM
what higher displacement i thought he wasn't doing the pistons. The 2871 car i was in didn't hit full spool until low-mid 5k so im guessing these will be a bit lazier.

generationjdm
02-13-2008, 09:33 PM
gt2860rs hit full spool just under 5k on r cars theres no gt28rs car hitting full spool anywhere near 3800rpms on the stock 2.7lt, sean have you ever been in a gt2871 car? Heres a gt2860rs log with a well tune as you can see full boost at 5k rpms http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8058/gt2860rslogab8.th.gif (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gt2860rslogab8.gif)

unknowna4
02-13-2008, 09:47 PM
I think you're confusing being spooled and full boost...

generationjdm
02-13-2008, 09:50 PM
Seans thinking 25lbs at 4500rpms which sounds like he talking about full spool/boost to me.. if you look at the graph i posted you can see at 4k the cars only making 7-8psi of post hardly spooled or making boost. I doubt Justin was looking or hoping for any low end power anyway, sounds like he wants to run good upstairs

unknowna4
02-13-2008, 09:55 PM
The thing is, though they may hit full boost much later, they are still making more power then an average k04 car by 4k rpm

generationjdm
02-13-2008, 10:00 PM
The thing is, though they may hit full boost much later, they are still making more power then an average k04 car by 4k rpmI doubt a GT car only making 8lbs at 4k is making power like a fully spooled k04 car at 4k thats making 24-26lbs, maybe at 47-4800 but not 4k, time will tell when the setups done, like i said I doubt he was worried about the car running down stairs anyways

unknowna4
02-13-2008, 10:06 PM
Wait till some of these get on the rollers, I think you might be surprised. Also if he's going standalone and the lag really concerns him he can always play with some anti-lag, that should be some fun lol

Das General
02-13-2008, 10:23 PM
forget anti lag, if he really wants, he can spray...but I don't think he will have to

sean1.8t
02-13-2008, 10:24 PM
I doubt a GT car only making 8lbs at 4k is making power like a fully spooled k04 car at 4k thats making 24-26lbs, maybe at 47-4800 but not 4k, time will tell when the setups done, like i said I doubt he was worried about the car running down stairs anyways

iirc david@Eurocode's car made over 400Awhp at 4k rpms. that's stage 3 power right there and the car definately wasn't done making power..

im not even sure why this is everyone else's worry but the OP's [confused]

lil' is 300
02-13-2008, 10:41 PM
iirc david@Eurocode's car made over 400Awhp at 4k rpms. that's stage 3 power right there and the car definately wasn't done making power..

im not even sure why this is everyone else's worry but the OP's [confused]

They also use GT28RS's if I'm not mistaken. These are much larger in every way. Full boost at 5500 is realistic....

2001S4NY
02-13-2008, 10:44 PM
if you have a built motor you can always make those turbos spool a lil better :) i never attempted it on my car since i had stock engine

sean1.8t
02-13-2008, 10:53 PM
They also use GT28RS's if I'm not mistaken. These are much larger in every way. Full boost at 5500 is realistic....

yes, it does. but we're not talking about Justin's car. we were talking about how the power comes on at lower rpm's on a GT car..

try to keep up[:)]

lil' is 300
02-13-2008, 11:47 PM
GT28RS still don't think it's making 400 awhp @ 4000 rpm. Here's Tory's ASP GT28RS cactus on race gas:

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/93546/gt28rs_race.jpg

On pump:

http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/93546/gt28rs.jpg

A GT2554 or 2560R would be making towards 400 wheel at 4k. If Ecode managed 400 wheel @ 4k with 28RS's i'm impressed...but I don't believe it until I see it. Need to see a dyno chart.

ToMMyRsK04
02-14-2008, 12:04 AM
well first off, "fully spooled" is a relative and subjective term

twin gt28rs's on a 2.7t usually act like a single gt28rs on a 1.8t. full spool by 3800rpm from what i've seen and whitnessed.. but i see these things hitting 25psi by 4500rpms..

besides, the car is going to be cooking by the time they hit 10psi, you won't even notice too much..

why is it that the 2.7t guys are afraid of lagg?

x2

He'll def get full boost under 5k with the right tune/standalone no questions asked .. and so what if theres a little lagg ?? after those few seconds the cars going to pull in anything that got a car jump on him anyway [:p] .. let your opponent think he got you for a sec [:D] your only main concern after that should be when to put on your hazards [:D]

Kindbuddy
02-14-2008, 12:42 AM
^^^^What he said. Larger turbos are inherently laggy. If you don't like it, buy the V8 S4. I would worry more about shifting at this point[drive].

GyzmoS4
02-14-2008, 05:52 AM
When racing from a roll, if you're in the correct gear for the speed you are doing wouldn't lag be minimal anyway? Say you start in 2nd and revs are at about 4 grand, how much lag would you feel if turbos are fully spooled @ 45k? I don't know much about big turbos or turbo lag, but I would think once you're at the right rpms when starting lag wouldn't be such a big issue. Someone please explain.

PoloIceberg
02-14-2008, 06:33 AM
When racing from a roll, if you're in the correct gear for the speed you are doing wouldn't lag be minimal anyway? Say you start in 2nd and revs are at about 4 grand, how much lag would you feel if turbos are fully spooled @ 45k? I don't know much about big turbos or turbo lag, but I would think once you're at the right rpms when starting lag wouldn't be such a big issue. Someone please explain.

+1 the only downside I see is day to day driving. At the right rpm from a roll lag is no issue but gearing has to be taken into account to.(shifting might cause you to fall out of the powerband)

AB18
02-14-2008, 07:20 AM
If hes reving to 8k+ he should be able to stay in the powerband. I think 2.7T guys are a little "weary" of lag is because they love the almost instant, linear power curve. Thats what makes the S4 nice, big power everywhere. Personaly i don't mind some lag if im making up for it on the top end, but i would much rather be spooled by 4k then 5.5k, thats getting late.

NYCVR6
02-14-2008, 07:37 AM
Whoa this thread took off today haha. Some info... Im not going to run standalone, that would defeat the purpose of me buying an S4 .. Im not 100% sure who i am going to have do the tune as of now. I am pretty confident i will see 25+ psi by 5000 rpm. If not, ill deal with that when the time comes. Frank at autospeed showed me some charts of a 2871 seeing 25+ psi in the 4500 rpm range iirc.. The tune is going to be key.. Im not worried about lag, my last car was a 2.9l with a gt42r with a 1.01 hotside. My whole goal is to make power, keep it drivable, basically have a comfortable quick car.

NYCVR6
02-14-2008, 07:38 AM
I think 2.7T guys are a little "weary" of lag is because they love the almost instant, linear power curve.

I couldnt agree more.

NYCVR6
02-14-2008, 07:40 AM
Justiiiiiiin lol

pushing it further along by the day as usual huh? new project looks awesome.

yeah I have been lurking around here a little bit, trying to offer some fairly priced labor to the audi guys as well as the VW peeps. with the mortgage and a lil baby boy on the way this april, I gotta keep hustling

ya know I have been thinking of going your route and getting rid of the gti and going for a S4 :)

Pat


Good to see you posting here. Congratulations on the baby on the way [up]
I swore i wouldnt go crazy with the S4, but you know how i am, like you and the rest of the crew we've been racing with, we're too power hungry. You've come so far with the GTI, im sure 10's are right there for you... But the S4 is a nice platform to work with, so either way youll be moving. [:D] Hopefully ill see you at the track again this year. [up]

1997gtx
02-14-2008, 07:52 AM
I think 2.7T guys are a little "weary" of lag is because they love the almost instant, linear power curve. Thats what makes the S4 nice, big power everywhere.

I agree with both sentences here. But it's important to take into consideration both things you said. The S4 is great because of the "almost instant, linear power curve", so if I were building a custom turbo setup, i'd be extra weary about the differences the car will have -- especially considering we're all going to want to compare this to say, a K04 car.

Believe me that I know lag. My VR4 takes a bit to get going, even with twin turbo's, but if I were building it all over again, I would have done more to prevent lag.
--Adam

junk t.i.
02-14-2008, 07:54 AM
Good to see you posting here. Congratulations on the baby on the way [up]
I swore i wouldnt go crazy with the S4, but you know how i am, like you and the rest of the crew we've been racing with, we're too power hungry. You've come so far with the GTI, im sure 10's are right there for you... But the S4 is a nice platform to work with, so either way youll be moving. [:D] Hopefully ill see you at the track again this year. [up]

thx justin, yeah I agree, we are too power hungry, but I am sure this is as far as I will go with this car, as far as turbos go. the 35r, sees full boost before 5k. and I went 11.60 with it a few times while being locked out of 4th gearwith only a 1.9 60ft. and that was at about 24-25 psi on a pump gas tune, although I did have C16 in the tank. so with more boost, I do believe it can crack a 10 sec pass.

my goals are similar to yours, I want to be able to go 11.50s on pump and a drag radial, and interior.

turn it up and dip 10s on racegas and slicks. I am going to hold off on a roll bar since I'll need to put a baby seat in the back of this car lol

I'll definately see you out there.

Pat

generationjdm
02-14-2008, 07:56 AM
Didn't euro code have a built 2.8 or 3.0liter? Last I check this was a public forum, where not concerned or causing problems for anyone where just talking. This thread has went amazingly smooth and is designed for exactly what where doing, which is talking....

cjk
02-14-2008, 10:17 AM
He had a 3L :)

Going to be hard I think to get these to spool down low...unless going bigger then 2.7L IMO.

Cool to see all these projects happening this year...can't wait to see some results.

GyzmoS4
02-14-2008, 10:45 AM
He had a 3L :)

Cool to see all these projects happening this year...can't wait to see some results.

+2. By the time im ready to upgrade turbos there will be a lot more options with the rate you guys are going so far this year. This is great for our platform. [up]

generationjdm
02-14-2008, 10:49 AM
I thought euro code had a 3 liter big difference between the 2.7 liter, plus he was running the gt2860ss and it was still real lazy. Big difference between those turbos and gt30ss it's like the difference between k03 and rs6ss+... I'm sure Justin will figure it all out and should be interesting.

2001S4NY
02-14-2008, 10:54 AM
+1 the only downside I see is day to day driving. At the right rpm from a roll lag is no issue but gearing has to be taken into account to.(shifting might cause you to fall out of the powerband)

you would be suprised that driving an S4 on big turbos is still very responsive, i had a few people drive my car and they said it was jsut as responsive down low as their K04 but full boost took longer to come on, and one thing that cant be beaten about going with big turbos that spool later is the amazing gas savings. i feel like i can drive my car for a week on half a tank of gas if i dont go into boost

blackbenzz
02-14-2008, 10:57 AM
It seems as if some people think that if you just hold the gear at higher rpms the turbos will be automatically spooled. Thats not the case, car has to be under load to spool the turbo significantly (or anti-lag or 2 step). Just because a car sees full boost at say 5k rpm on the dyno doesnt mean you can just hold 2nd gear to 5k rpm and then when you hit the gas it will be at full boost. Thats why people brake boost, to keep the car under load and therefore spool the turbo quicker. If you have a boost gauge, look at it when you're driving and you will see what i'm talking about.

1997gtx
02-14-2008, 11:02 AM
^^^ Thank you! That's what I was saying/wondering about.
--Adam

GyzmoS4
02-14-2008, 11:21 AM
It seems as if some people think that if you just hold the gear at higher rpms the turbos will be automatically spooled. Thats not the case, car has to be under load to spool the turbo significantly (or anti-lag or 2 step). Just because a car sees full boost at say 5k rpm on the dyno doesnt mean you can just hold 2nd gear to 5k rpm and then when you hit the gas it will be at full boost. Thats why people brake boost, to keep the car under load and therefore spool the turbo quicker. If you have a boost gauge, look at it when you're driving and you will see what i'm talking about.

Thanx for that explanation. I wasn't sure how it worked either. Now my next question is if you're at say 5k rpm in 2nd, when u step on it, will the turbo reach full boost faster than if you were reving @ say 3500 rpms and floor it? Or will it take the same time to reach full boost? Just wanna fully understand how it works.

AB18
02-14-2008, 11:30 AM
^ Its all relative to the amount of air flow. If you stomp on it at say 4.5k, your moving more air then say 3.5k, so spool time will be quicker. The more air you can get going over the turbine wheel(from the cylinders into the exhaust mani into the turbo) the better.

PoloIceberg
02-14-2008, 11:39 AM
^ Its all relative to the amount of air flow. If you stomp on it at say 4.5k, your moving more air then say 3.5k, so spool time will be quicker. The more air you can get going over the turbine wheel(from the cylinders into the exhaust mani into the turbo) the better.

I thought that was the whole point...its not better than brake boosting but it is faster on spool time

AB18
02-14-2008, 12:18 PM
It is, a turbo will spool faster at 5k then it will 2k. What blackbenz was trying to say is just because your at 5k doesn't mean the turbo will instantly spool.

blackbenzz
02-14-2008, 12:38 PM
It is, a turbo will spool faster at 5k then it will 2k. What blackbenz was trying to say is just because your at 5k doesn't mean the turbo will instantly spool.

Exactly. I was just trying to clear up some confusion but I may have started more lol. But what do I know about lag, I drive a supercharged car [:D]

///M3 TO S4
02-14-2008, 01:22 PM
+2. By the time im ready to upgrade turbos there will be a lot more options with the rate you guys are going so far this year. This is great for our platform. [up]

Thats what I thought too......driving this car waiting for the turbos to blow is like sleeping with a strippers....eventually bad shit will happen when you least expect it.......

1997gtx
02-14-2008, 01:24 PM
^^^ I don't like that analogy. I find nothing wrong with sleeping with a stripper. [:D]
--Adam

Silence
02-14-2008, 01:38 PM
AFAIK Eurocode does not have a 3 liter.Where did you read that?

Das General
02-14-2008, 01:44 PM
Eurocode car was a 2.8

///M3 TO S4
02-14-2008, 01:49 PM
^^^ I don't like that analogy. I find nothing wrong with sleeping with a stripper. [:D]
--Adam

I've been there, done that.....you're just playing with a nuke when you do it.....

MiniRS4
02-14-2008, 02:21 PM
three thousand-two-hundred-sixty-something n COUNTING... that is all. =D

NYCVR6
02-14-2008, 02:37 PM
It begins... The disassembly begins tomorrow.. Ill be going slow with it since i work full time and have a lot going on.. I have a good friend who helps me out a lot..

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00050.jpg

Silence
02-14-2008, 02:47 PM
No disassemble!!

http://interocitor.com/images/johnny5.jpg

ToMMyRsK04
02-14-2008, 04:32 PM
three thousand-two-hundred-sixty-something n COUNTING... that is all. =D

lololl maybe I should do a lil write up on my setup then .. or maybe not [:D]

ToMMyRsK04
02-14-2008, 04:33 PM
Eurocode car was a 2.8

why do you think that eurocode s4 lost to that wms s4 ?

blackbenzz
02-14-2008, 04:43 PM
why do you think that eurocode s4 lost to that wms s4 ?

Because it made less power??? [confused]

AudiA4_20T
02-14-2008, 04:58 PM
Because it made less power??? [confused]

lol I was thinking the same thing

Das General
02-14-2008, 04:58 PM
why do you think that eurocode s4 lost to that wms s4 ?

haha I didn't say anything about wms car. I was just stating that the eurcode engine is a 2.8.

The eurocode car is also fulllll weight and the wms car is not...food 4 thought

GURUMAN
02-14-2008, 05:05 PM
The fact tha 25psi with that kind of cfm can be reached a about 4500rpm is great, he just gonna have to raise the rev limiter to 8500rpm

Like comparing a k04 S4, starts hitting at 3500rpm and redlines to 7000rpm.

The power is just at a different place...

generationjdm
02-14-2008, 05:15 PM
It probably will never happen, 25lbs at 4500rpm I hope it does but it probably won't.. Guru I spoke to louis today at cm and he says that clutch is the stage 4 clutch they've been selling for a long time, it does look different then the 6 puck on the website but he says they make it that way for the euro cars with cermaic pads... Marc ran that clutch they said

blackbenzz
02-14-2008, 05:18 PM
BTW- that clutch is going to be a biatch!

generationjdm
02-14-2008, 05:19 PM
Why, most people i spoke with that has that clutch says it feel real close to the stocker

blackbenzz
02-14-2008, 05:23 PM
Why, most people i spoke with that has that clutch says it feel real close to the stocker

Tilton clutch is close to stock??? Thats what was in the ASP GT28 car I rode in and it was a biatch, nowhere near stock. Engagement was on/off. Is there more than one Tilton clutch available for the S4?

generationjdm
02-14-2008, 05:25 PM
I was speaking of the stage 4 cm, i had a tilton before and ripped it out the car in the first 3 days. The car was not drivable on the street because of their harshness and light switch reaction

2001S4NY
02-14-2008, 05:30 PM
It probably will never happen, 25lbs at 4500rpm I hope it does but it probably won't.. Guru I spoke to louis today at cm and he says that clutch is the stage 4 clutch they've been selling for a long time, it does look different then the 6 puck on the website but he says they make it that way for the euro cars with cermaic pads... Marc ran that clutch they said

i run CM stage 4 disc its a 8 puck and i love it feels better then my CM stg 3 did


http://ssptuning.com/pics/CMstage4/DSC03265small.jpg
http://ssptuning.com/pics/CMstage4/DSC03268small.jpg

generationjdm
02-14-2008, 05:35 PM
Thats the clutch i was speaking about, i will be using this one also

blackbenzz
02-14-2008, 05:37 PM
Am I tripping or is he going to be running a Tilton clutch? How did CM get in the mix? I think for the power he's going to be making, the Tilton is the best bet

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00041.jpg

generationjdm
02-14-2008, 05:55 PM
Sorry I was speaking to Guru about his stage 4 cm

GURUMAN
02-14-2008, 07:21 PM
The nogaro car has burnt about 6 clucthes in 2 years.

According to the owner of Vag, that Cm stage 4 was the most user friendly. Now he drives a twin disc clutchmaster setup but is btching at the pedal feel.

I'm cofident that even with more than 500 foot pounds, it will hold.

My stage 3 spec never slipped, I was just not disengaging so I stripped my gears...


he says they make it that way for the euro cars with cermaic pads... Marc ran that clutch they said

It make me happy hearing that cause the last thing I wanted was to be a guinea pig.

GURUMAN
02-14-2008, 07:22 PM
Am I tripping or is he going to be running a Tilton clutch? How did CM get in the mix? I think for the power he's going to be making, the Tilton is the best bet

To bad it's covered by a tranny, it Looks good !

NYCVR6
02-14-2008, 09:36 PM
Tilton clutch is close to stock??? Thats what was in the ASP GT28 car I rode in and it was a biatch, nowhere near stock. Engagement was on/off. Is there more than one Tilton clutch available for the S4?

Yea im going to be running the tilton setup. I actually drove an autospeed car with the clutch in it before i purchased it. I didnt think it was so terrible. They said when you first install it, it's terrible, then as it breaks in it gets better. The car i drove had 3XX miles on the clutch and i didnt think it was so bad. They said it would get even more drivable over time. You just need to actually thnk about it when leaving from a stop or you might stall. I got in the car, first time ever driving a dual plate setup and only almost stalled one. Im not worried.

NYCVR6
02-14-2008, 09:37 PM
lololl maybe I should do a lil write up on my setup then .. or maybe not [:D]

[:D]

I dont mind sharing, i got no reason to hide anything. My real street racing days died.. The scene is so dead nowadays anyway.. Plus i have enough trouble with the law without getting locked up for street racing too. [:D]

ToMMyRsK04
02-14-2008, 10:04 PM
Because it made less power??? [confused]

I know that loll [:p] .. but if you see the video, they made it out to seem like the eurocode car was going to destroy the wms car .. saying it was revving to like 8800k with a serious tune, 35 psi fully built motor .. claiming 740whp ect ect and wms car was detuned revving to like 7400k 25psi ect ectt

ToMMyRsK04
02-14-2008, 10:06 PM
[:D]

I dont mind sharing, i got no reason to hide anything. My real street racing days died.. The scene is so dead nowadays anyway.. Plus i have enough trouble with the law without getting locked up for street racing too. [:D]

yeah loll I wouldnt mind sharing either but I have a shit load of money runs already set up .. not trying to say too much [:D]

AudiA4_20T
02-14-2008, 10:35 PM
yeah loll I wouldnt mind sharing either but I have a shit load of money runs already set up .. not trying to say too much [:D]

just make another name and post that shizz

ToMMyRsK04
02-14-2008, 11:25 PM
just make another name and post that shizz

lololl .. that wouldnt be obvious [:p]

///M3 TO S4
02-15-2008, 12:20 AM
yeah loll I wouldnt mind sharing either but I have a shit load of money runs already set up .. not trying to say too much [:D]

Obviously you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time you badass street racer![hail]

NYCVR6
02-15-2008, 04:38 AM
yeah loll I wouldnt mind sharing either but I have a shit load of money runs already set up .. not trying to say too much [:D]

I hear that.. [up]

NYCVR6
02-15-2008, 04:39 AM
Obviously you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time you badass street racer![hail]

Who said one of you /// guys can post here? [rolleyes]

If you dont have anything constructive to add, why post?

Dowskeet
02-15-2008, 07:17 AM
Looks like an interesting build bro.. Hopefully all that thought about the snails will pay out. Good luck

Ill be watching and wishin.


Cheers

highPSI-S4
02-15-2008, 08:49 AM
I'm wishin 2, cause i'm holding back alittle on K04's for now hoping more money can come my way. GT turbo's are what i want-K04's meen i'm settling. will she what happens. good luck to all.

ToMMyRsK04
02-15-2008, 09:14 AM
Obviously you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time you badass street racer![hail]

loll yess sirr [:D]

NYCVR6
02-15-2008, 10:05 AM
Looks like an interesting build bro.. Hopefully all that thought about the snails will pay out. Good luck

Ill be watching and wishin.


Cheers

Thanks much appreciated [up]

Wizard-of-OD
02-15-2008, 02:43 PM
Sweet build up of parts.How are you going to position the turbochargers? All this on ME?

Clay @ Kinetic
02-15-2008, 06:27 PM
thx justin, yeah I agree, we are too power hungry, but I am sure this is as far as I will go with this car, as far as turbos go. the 35r, sees full boost before 5k. and I went 11.60 with it a few times while being locked out of 4th gearwith only a 1.9 60ft. and that was at about 24-25 psi on a pump gas tune, although I did have C16 in the tank. so with more boost, I do believe it can crack a 10 sec pass.

my goals are similar to yours, I want to be able to go 11.50s on pump and a drag radial, and interior.

turn it up and dip 10s on racegas and slicks. I am going to hold off on a roll bar since I'll need to put a baby seat in the back of this car lol

I'll definately see you out there.

Pat

patty cakes in the house, lol, NY VW reunion!

Clay @ Kinetic
02-15-2008, 06:33 PM
[:D]

I dont mind sharing, i got no reason to hide anything. My real street racing days died.. The scene is so dead nowadays anyway.. Plus i have enough trouble with the law without getting locked up for street racing too. [:D]


speaking of that, you gotta do some sketches for me boss... [race]

NYCVR6
02-15-2008, 06:50 PM
Sweet build up of parts.How are you going to position the turbochargers? All this on ME?

Ill have some pics of the turbo orientation as soon as i get the manifolds. A couple days hopefully. All this on me?

NYCVR6
02-15-2008, 06:50 PM
speaking of that, you gotta do some sketches for me boss... [race]

Definitely, let me know what you have in mind. [up]

GURUMAN
02-15-2008, 07:10 PM
Ill have some pics of the turbo orientation as soon as i get the manifolds.

Wich ones are you getting ?

junk t.i.
02-15-2008, 07:53 PM
All this on me?

I believe the Wiz meant ..all this on ME as in an ME motronic ME ECU

AB18
02-15-2008, 08:16 PM
Yep ^ ME 7

jaybquick@JHM
02-15-2008, 09:16 PM
Them are some big turbos son. How is your tranny rebuild holding up?

NYCVR6
02-16-2008, 04:34 AM
I believe the Wiz meant ..all this on ME as in an ME motronic ME ECU

Ah shit, brain fart for not picking that up. Yea no stand alone for me yet, id rather try to get things running well on factory management. If it doesnt work out, ill figure out what i want to do then.

NYCVR6
02-16-2008, 04:34 AM
Them are some big turbos son. How is your tranny rebuild holding up?

Tranny has been perfect. [up]

///M3 TO S4
02-16-2008, 10:52 AM
Who said one of you /// guys can post here? [rolleyes]

If you dont have anything constructive to add, why post?

Public forum chief....also i'm not an /// guy anymore....good try. But seriously, good luck on your build, looks sick!

NYCVR6
02-16-2008, 01:03 PM
Public forum chief....also i'm not an /// guy anymore....good try. But seriously, good luck on your build, looks sick!

True... A publick forum does need public jerkoffs...

But seriously, thanks for the wishes. [:D]

NYCVR6
02-16-2008, 01:06 PM
Finally got working today... 2 hours 52 mins into it. [:D]
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00060.jpg

PoloIceberg
02-16-2008, 01:12 PM
^Daaaaaaammmmmm you play no games! 2h52m and the record goes to you! Good Luck

junk t.i.
02-16-2008, 02:15 PM
Finally got working today... 2 hours 52 mins into it. [:D]
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00060.jpg

something about that garage...... the cars that get locked up in there usually come out with MONSTER turbos on them :)

last car I saw in there was originally a black golf that had a Darth Vader complex......

Pat

ToMMyRsK04
02-16-2008, 04:00 PM
True... A publick forum does need public jerkoffs...

But seriously, thanks for the wishes. [:D]

lololl [:p]

ToMMyRsK04
02-16-2008, 04:01 PM
Finally got working today... 2 hours 52 mins into it. [:D]
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00060.jpg

thats what mine looks like [:p] ........ kinda loll .. [:D]

///M3 TO S4
02-16-2008, 04:35 PM
True... A publick forum does need public jerkoffs...

But seriously, thanks for the wishes. [:D]

dead yourself [:D]

AMC
02-16-2008, 05:16 PM
hey justin u sellkin or gettin rid of ur turbos? pm me...or any1 who is pm me..thanks

NYCVR6
02-16-2008, 05:36 PM
hey justin u sellkin or gettin rid of ur turbos? pm me...or any1 who is pm me..thanks

They are going on my buddies allroad. Sorry.

NYCVR6
02-16-2008, 05:37 PM
something about that garage...... the cars that get locked up in there usually come out with MONSTER turbos on them :)

last car I saw in there was originally a black golf that had a Darth Vader complex......

Pat

Yea haha, it's the garage not me, trust me. [;)][:D]

NYCVR6
02-16-2008, 05:38 PM
dead yourself [:D]

[:D]

AB18
02-16-2008, 05:50 PM
What methed did you use to pull the motor? You bring the motor/trans out together? 2hr 52m is fast for a engine pull. Last one i helped with took about 4hr with 2people.

AMC
02-16-2008, 06:01 PM
^ mine would of took 4 hours till the damn axles got in the way, 2 people also

///M3 TO S4
02-16-2008, 06:08 PM
^ mine would of took 4 hours till the damn axles got in the way, 2 people also

+1 on the half-shafts! What a nightmare those were! My car is from ny so the suspension bolts were rusted on, took 3 hours to torch/cut them off so I could swing the suspension forward to take the halfshafts out!

jaybquick@JHM
02-16-2008, 06:16 PM
+1 on the half-shafts! What a nightmare those were! My car is from ny so the suspension bolts were rusted on, took 3 hours to torch/cut them off so I could swing the suspension forward to take the halfshafts out!


Makes me happy about being out in the Valley here in CA. The only troublesome bolts we get are from cars that came from out of state. I don't envy you there. I do envy your gas though. Our 91 is soooooo crappy and oxygenated.

AMC
02-16-2008, 06:18 PM
+1 on the half-shafts! What a nightmare those were! My car is from ny so the suspension bolts were rusted on, took 3 hours to torch/cut them off so I could swing the suspension forward to take the halfshafts out!

lol yeah i was lookin at your write-up on how you took yours off![wrench]

///M3 TO S4
02-16-2008, 08:31 PM
lol yeah i was lookin at your write-up on how you took yours off![wrench]

I'm so happy people are using my write-up! Glad I could give something back to the community!

NYCVR6
02-16-2008, 08:41 PM
What methed did you use to pull the motor? You bring the motor/trans out together? 2hr 52m is fast for a engine pull. Last one i helped with took about 4hr with 2people.

Motor and trans together. I leave the subframe in but lower it..I pulled the axles out, so it wasnt a problem. It came out surprisingly fast but we werent even going fast either. Me and one other person. That time is with removing downpipes and trans as well.

ToMMyRsK04
02-16-2008, 09:42 PM
Motor and trans together. I leave the subframe in but lower it..I pulled the axles out, so it wasnt a problem. It came out surprisingly fast but we werent even going fast either. Me and one other person. That time is with removing downpipes and trans as well.

Only if C&M ( chris ) worked that fast loll .. I woulda had my car 6 months ago [:p] but no worries .. it'll be out really soon .. but itll be very well worth it [up] .. keep up the good work on the build [wrench] .. we'll get a few good runs in, ina few weeks [up]

MiniRS4
02-16-2008, 10:14 PM
Only if C&M ( chris ) worked that fast loll .. I woulda had my car 6 months ago [:p] but no worries .. it'll be out really soon .. but itll be very well worth it [up] .. keep up the good work on the build [wrench] .. we'll get a few good runs in, ina few weeks [up]

tommy... i like you... that is why i am goin to be dead honest w you... you know that ur setup is my pipe dream... itll prolly be done soon, but runnin the way you want it to... few wks? ummmmm.... riiight...

lets be realistic... i believe the wrenching part'll be done. as for tuned and runnin right in a few wks... a bit optimistic.

it took OZpl 3-4 yrs of tuning and racing (and braking everything in the car) to get that car to where it is. now you're gonna take that idea to someone who has never done it before, and who obviously isnt completing the job when said (u've said 2wks since like mid dec, [:D]) and expect it to be doing runs w/in a few wks? the wrenching part aint even that hard... its gonna be setting up and tuning the standalone which will take... lets not hope too long.

i really hope this project works out, but all the evidence points to that pic i sentya earlier in this post...

HELP I THINK IM STUCK in the spidey web of wiring!!! n i cant get up! LOL. [:D][:D][:D]

i could be wrong on this one... ya cant get em all right, but i think im pretty confident w my call on this one... TBC i guess...

halla [cool]!

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 03:29 AM
tommy... i like you... that is why i am goin to be dead honest w you... you know that ur setup is my pipe dream... itll prolly be done soon, but runnin the way you want it to... few wks? ummmmm.... riiight...

lets be realistic... i believe the wrenching part'll be done. as for tuned and runnin right in a few wks... a bit optimistic.

it took OZpl 3-4 yrs of tuning and racing (and braking everything in the car) to get that car to where it is. now you're gonna take that idea to someone who has never done it before, and who obviously isnt completing the job when said (u've said 2wks since like mid dec, [:D]) and expect it to be doing runs w/in a few wks? the wrenching part aint even that hard... its gonna be setting up and tuning the standalone which will take... lets not hope too long.

i really hope this project works out, but all the evidence points to that pic i sentya earlier in this post...

HELP I THINK IM STUCK in the spidey web of wiring!!! n i cant get up! LOL. [:D][:D][:D]

i could be wrong on this one... ya cant get em all right, but i think im pretty confident w my call on this one... TBC i guess...

halla [cool]!

loll its okay G no hard feelings [up] everyone has their own opinion on things and I wouldnt have gone this route if it was 100% guaranteed that the car would perform the way I want and it isnt going to take 3-4 years, trust me .. remember those guys are polish over there .. everything was done backwards to begin with [:D] I have the RIGHT guy tunning it and the RIGHT guy building it .. doesnt matter if hes never done the setup b4 .. its just a motor .. and everything is basically all numbers .. thats how you have to look at it and anything is possible .. well now all my parts are here that I was waiting for and my manifolds are done .. now its basically just putting it all on .. basically 2 weeks but whatever it is, that doesnt matter anyway .. building something like this wasnt going to be over night anyway .. and if my guys never done anything like this b4 and doesnt know what hes doing, how come your calling him everyday and passing by? [:p] and I'm sure Justin can vouch for Chris (C&M) and that pic you saw - I'm not running that tune/standalone so no worries there with all the wires .. no " spidey " business here loll but I'll prob have you all caught in that " web " [up] and as for my setup I wasnt even informed that it changed in the past few weeks until today so if I didnt know I'm sure you dont know the whole idea behind it either .. I guess Chris knew I'd open my mouth up to defend my setup so he kept a few nice surprises to himself [:p] .. just give the car a few more weeks .. then be the judge of the outcome .. but since you say it wont come out the way it should .. we still up for that $2000 money run?

MiniRS4
02-17-2008, 03:43 AM
loll its okay G everyone has their own opinion on things and I wouldnt have gone this route if it was 100% guaranteed that the car would perform the way I want and it isnt going to take 3-4 years, trust me .. remember those guys are polish over there .. everything was done backwards to begin with[:D] I have the RIGHT guy tunning it and the RIGHT guy building it .. doesnt matter if hes never done the setup b4 .. its just a motor .. and everything is basically all numbers .. thats how you have to look at it and anything is possible .. well now all my parts are here and my manifolds are done .. now its basically just putting it all on .. basically 2 weeks but whatever it is, that doesnt matter anyway .. building something like this wasnt going to be over night anyway .. and if my guys never done anything like this b4 and doesnt know what hes doing, how come your calling him everyday and passing by? [:p] and I'm sure Justin can vouch for Chris (C&M) and that pic you saw - I'm not running that tune/standalone so no worries there with all the wires [up] and as for my setup I wasnt even informed that it changed in the past few weeks until today so if I didnt know I'm sure you dont know the whole idea behind it either .. I guess Chris knew I'd open my mouth up to defend my setup so he kept a few nice surprises to himself [:p] .. just give the car a few more weeks .. then be the judge of the outcome .. but since you say it wont come out the way it should .. we still up for that $2000 money run?

honestly, im not gonna lie... im dying to see the manifolds! both sets of them [;)][;)]. i wanna see how they are designed, i wanna know how good the welds are, and i wanna know if they are gonna be worth it, etc.

im sure that thing is gonna have tricks (ie spray). you say you dont feel that, but you are gonna need it.

as for saying it wont come out as it should... i never said that... in fact i hope it does come out the way it SHOULD, im just giving a lil food for thought... a few wks IMHO is a bit optimistic is all.

you know my car is down now too, so we will run when the time is ready. in the meanwhile, dont go breaking anything before i get my car back on the road. [:p][:p][:D][wrench]

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 03:54 AM
honestly, im not gonna lie... im dying to see the manifolds! both sets of them [;)][;)]. i wanna see how they are designed, i wanna know how good the welds are, and i wanna know if they are gonna be worth it, etc.

im sure that thing is gonna have tricks (ie spray). you say you dont feel that, but you are gonna need it.

as for saying it wont come out as it should... i never said that... in fact i hope it does come out the way it SHOULD, im just giving a lil food for thought... a few wks IMHO is a bit optimistic is all.

you know my car is down now too, so we will run when the time is ready. in the meanwhile, dont go breaking anything before i get my car back on the road. [:p][:p][:D][wrench]

loll the only thing I can promise is .. there will not be ANY nitrous included in my setup .. like I also said that night .. once the cars up and running/ready you can take a look at everything .. you find any nitrous lines/bottles/fittings ect I'll forfeit the run with you and hand you that $2k .. hows that sound ? Fair enough ? But if you dont find anything does the bet work in my benifit as well ? [:D][:D]

( sorry for going off topic with your thread Justin )

MiniRS4
02-17-2008, 03:58 AM
loll the only thing I can promise is .. there will not be ANY nitrous included in my setup .. like I also said that night .. once the cars up and running/ready you can take a look at everything .. you find any nitrous lines/bottles/fittings ect I'll forfeit the run with you and hand you that $2k .. hows that sound ? Fair enough ? But if you dont find anything does the bet work in my benifit as well ? [:D][:D]

( sorry for going off topic with your thread Justin )

werrrd. sorry Jus(tin).

BAH, you get nothing... if that thing runs even half decent that's gonna be too much too handle as is. frick... im gonna need the bottle for our run! [:D][:D][:D][:p][drive]

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 04:06 AM
werrrd. sorry Jus(tin).

BAH, you get nothing... if that thing runs even half decent that's gonna be too much too handle as is. frick... im gonna need the bottle for our run! [:D][:D][:D][:p][drive]

Lmaoo [:p] .. ohh its like thatt ?? loll okayy no problemm its aight anyway [up][up] .. but I do have a bottle setup cheap for sale if you want .. just tryna help you outt [:D] since I wont be using it

NYCVR6
02-17-2008, 06:59 AM
Haha, no sweat guys... As long as it stays somewhat friendly. As for Chris and Mike, you have the right guys working on your car if you want to make power, ive known them a long time, and they get shit done when they want to.

GURUMAN
02-17-2008, 08:38 AM
This thread is flying man, cant's see GTkiller or Pjk04 power is better than gt power anymore... [=(]

By the looks, the Rs6 king is turning to gt power, it's just awesome [up]

NYCVR6
02-17-2008, 08:43 AM
This thread really is flying.. Went out this morning and pulled off turbos, inlets and manifolds.. Finally turbo comparison pics!!!
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00061.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00062.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00064.jpg

Also, my hybrids have zero shaft play... Just goes to show when hybrids are built by the right people, there are no reliability issues.

Clay @ Kinetic
02-17-2008, 08:56 AM
Haha, no sweat guys... As long as it stays somewhat friendly. As for Chris and Mike, you have the right guys working on your car if you want to make power, ive known them a long time, and they get shit done when they want to.

True dat, all they need to keep goin is dunkin doughnuts and cigarettes, and some beer. I remember when they were workin on heavys car the night before waterfest (2 yrs ago) the blue GTI, and the next day I think it ran an 11 on a shakedown run, that car had a yellow door, white hood, and the rest was jazz blue lol.



This thread really is flying.. Went out this morning and pulled off turbos, inlets and manifolds.. Finally turbo comparison pics!!!

Also, my hybrids have zero shaft play... Just goes to show when hybrids are built by the right people, there are no reliability issues.


Haha, there ya go [;)] Those guys do pretty well with GTs too, I'm excited to see what happens with these goodies, did you get a chance to send that thing to me yet? [;)]

NYCVR6
02-17-2008, 09:07 AM
did you get a chance to send that thing to me yet? [;)]

Tonight im going to send you it. Sorry for the delay bro.

generationjdm
02-17-2008, 09:14 AM
Justin I'm sure your family wasn't really thrilled with you putting your turbos on the nice granite tops.haha.. I do the same shit and my other half gets pissed...

Das General
02-17-2008, 09:25 AM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/nycvr6/IMG00064.jpg

muaahahaha, tiny!

so how long do you think it is gonna take for you to be up and running/well tuned...i gotta see this beast at the track

NYCVR6
02-17-2008, 09:31 AM
Justin I'm sure your family wasn't really thrilled with you putting your turbos on the nice granite tops.haha.. I do the same shit and my other half gets pissed...

Yea for sure, thank god nobody was home. [:D]

NYCVR6
02-17-2008, 09:33 AM
muaahahaha, tiny!

so how long do you think it is gonna take for you to be up and running/well tuned...i gotta see this beast at the track

I figure it will be two weeks or so to find the time to pull apart the motor, get heads rebuilt, install rods, and get everything back together. Then ill need to make sure everything is running perfect and start working on the tune. I dont want to rush anything, so realistically, i figure within a month it should be running well.

///M3 TO S4
02-17-2008, 11:12 AM
I figure it will be two weeks or so to find the time to pull apart the motor, get heads rebuilt, install rods, and get everything back together. Then ill need to make sure everything is running perfect and start working on the tune. I dont want to rush anything, so realistically, i figure within a month it should be running well.

Stock pistons? Will they handle 600+whp? You going to use cometic hg's?

NYCVR6
02-17-2008, 12:07 PM
Stock pistons? Will they handle 600+whp? You going to use cometic hg's?

I think the stock pistons can hadnle over 600 whp, but we'll see. I am going to use factory rs4 hg's, i didnt even know cometic made gaskets for audi.

lil' is 300
02-17-2008, 12:08 PM
Stock pistons are forged Mahle. They should be fine.

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 02:41 PM
Haha, no sweat guys... As long as it stays somewhat friendly. As for Chris and Mike, you have the right guys working on your car if you want to make power, ive known them a long time, and they get shit done when they want to.

lolll exactly .. " they get shit done when THEY want too " [:p] but its okay though [up] .. were almost done and yeah the power will deffff be there .. bout' to bring this b5 s4 platform to a " new level " [hail] basically going all out on this one ..

AudiSportB5S4
02-17-2008, 02:51 PM
holly CRAP. those are huuuge. i cant believe i just did K04s and think im beasting it now. dam, thanks for making me feel like shiiiit! someone may take marc for a run and have a 9secS4 lol

Clay @ Kinetic
02-17-2008, 03:17 PM
Tonight im going to send you it. Sorry for the delay bro.

no worries, when you're on AIM next hit me up, I might need a favor [:p]

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 03:34 PM
holly CRAP. those are huuuge. i cant believe i just did K04s and think im beasting it now. dam, thanks for making me feel like shiiiit! someone may take marc for a run and have a 9secS4 lol

[:D]

stage3s4
02-17-2008, 05:15 PM
I don't think anyone will have 9's maybe 10's maybe.

generationjdm
02-17-2008, 05:29 PM
Any of these cars lightened up and tuned right with the right chassis mods have the ability to go low tens high 9ss in the right conditions...

stage3s4
02-17-2008, 05:39 PM
With the right mods and weight they should do 10's. But let see if the engine holds the power.

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 05:47 PM
With the right mods and weight they should do 10's. But let see if the engine holds the power.

thats why you have a fully built motor .. pistons/rods ect ect and the right size turbos and a really good tune .. i dont see why it couldnt see 9s

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 05:49 PM
Any of these cars lightened up and tuned right with the right chassis mods have the ability to go low tens high 9ss in the right conditions...

I agree 100%

NYCVR6
02-17-2008, 05:51 PM
Anything is possible. Me personally, im not removing any weight from my car.

generationjdm
02-17-2008, 05:55 PM
I don't think anyone here is claiming to run 9ss or even 10ss, I think there shooting for a different car/setup then your average S4 out there.

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 06:23 PM
I don't think anyone here is claiming to run 9ss or even 10ss, I think there shooting for a different car/setup then your average S4 out there.

and now I'd have to disagree on that one .. anything is possible .. think " outside the box " .. you dont think Justin is capable of 10s ?

generationjdm
02-17-2008, 06:37 PM
Thats not what i mean, I'm saying know ones bragging or guarantying any times and i don't think drag racing or building a drag car is anyones top priority here.. thats what i mean

NYCVR6
02-17-2008, 07:16 PM
Thats not what i mean, I'm saying know ones bragging or guarantying any times and i don't think drag racing or building a drag car is anyones top priority here.. thats what i mean

Im not the bragging or guarantee type. I do this for me, and like you said i wanted to do something different. I would love mid 11's on pump gas and full exhaust.. On race gas, we'll have to see.

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 08:25 PM
I think it'll be doing 10s .. I have faith [:D]

blackbenzz
02-17-2008, 09:51 PM
Based on watching some of the quick S4's run, an issue that needs to be sorted out is the suspension.

I have no doubt in my mind that both Tommy and NYCVR6 will be in the 10's on race gas.

ToMMyRsK04
02-17-2008, 10:25 PM
Based on watching some of the quick S4's run, an issue that needs to be sorted out is the suspension.

I have no doubt in my mind that both Tommy and NYCVR6 will be in the 10's on race gas.

[up] .. I'm still up for that run with your boy when everything is all said and done as well .. should be fun [:D]

lil' is 300
02-17-2008, 11:14 PM
What I don't understand is this. If you have enough money to buy a GT kit...and I'm not saying more than ASP's kit because it can be done for much cheaper...but by the time you build the engine with rods and the valvetrain to rev higher, it gets very expensive.

Obviously anyone who can do this has enough money or income to not rely on a few hundred bucks or even a few thousand for street races. So in the end, does it really matter if people know what's under your hood?

I just don't understand the whole "secret" BS. Then again, i'm not the kind of person to go onto forums and talk about my set up on the basis that I don't get off on bragging.

AudiA4_20T
02-17-2008, 11:39 PM
What I don't understand is this. If you have enough money to buy a GT kit...and I'm not saying more than ASP's kit because it can be done for much cheaper...but by the time you build the engine with rods and the valvetrain to rev higher, it gets very expensive.

Obviously anyone who can do this has enough money or income to not rely on a few hundred bucks or even a few thousand for street races. So in the end, does it really matter if people know what's under your hood?

I just don't understand the whole "secret" BS. Then again, i'm not the kind of person to go onto forums and talk about my set up on the basis that I don't get off on bragging.

I think its more of the fact that modding is an addiction so why not make money off it? at least thats what itd be if my car weren't slow as balls

lil' is 300
02-18-2008, 12:03 AM
I think its more of the fact that modding is an addiction so why not make money off it? at least thats what itd be if my car weren't slow as balls

I guess I just think differently. I find more satisfaction in just enjoying the car for myself than calling people out. It would be hypocritical for me to say I won't be racing people, but when the time comes, the opponent will know what's brewing under the hood. Even more so if it's another B5 S4.

ToMMyRsK04
02-18-2008, 01:44 AM
I dont know who that was intended for but I just think if I sat here and told everyone my setup or if Justin did .. a lot of ppl here know a lot of the cars I will be put up against to run and if word gets around I prob wont still have these cars to pick off one by one its that simply I've already lost a few ppl that wanted to put up money .. not to sound cocky but theyre are a lotta cars around my way that think my car wont even be capable of 11s when its done but it was basically an 11sec car when my stage 3+ was in it at 28-30psi on a k04 setup .. theyre very wrong .. not saying I will ever race you .. but if you knew my car was faster would you really want to run me for money ? I dont think so .. thats what it basically comes down to .. and not to sound mean or anything of that nature but I put a lot of time and money into this project .. if I posted it up I really wouldnt want someone doing my exact setup either because I can almost promise no one has ever done this b4 but like Justin said b4 his " racing days are over " so he might be a little more flexible about telling ppl his setup

ubermidget
02-18-2008, 06:14 AM
if i was gonna run someone for money id want to know exactly what was in their car, because im not gonna throw money down if their secret is a 3.0 w/ 2871r's and im running PJ's

just me though, not that huge into organized street racing. not saying i havent done it

although tommy has me curious to what this new setup is

generationjdm
02-18-2008, 06:15 AM
Most of us already know both setups it's really not that big of a secret..