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98a4
02-08-2008, 05:21 AM
As posted on vortex.

I think I'm going to do an airride setup here soon.
Anyone have any experiance or suggestions?

I'll run my KW bodies with UVAIR Aero bags on all four corners.
FB setup only.

zrowcool
02-08-2008, 10:45 AM
i dont think any b5's have done it i know there was a b6 that did a full setup. Keep us posted since i wanted to do this also.

98a4
02-08-2008, 10:51 AM
There's a few avants out there, but hardly any.

I did alot of research today. I think its feasable. Front CA's I'm afraid will lay on the strut tower, and the rear may be tight...

A4Rob
02-09-2008, 01:25 PM
I have been studying this for a loooong time. I am most likely going with a HPS setup

98a4
02-09-2008, 02:22 PM
I'm building my own. HPS makes one for b5's?

UV Aerosports all around on my KW tubes.
Should work just fine... I'll prob start in a few weeks.

it would look amazing on your car Rob

A4Rob
02-09-2008, 03:25 PM
HPS is willing to start making them for the B5. Also, MasonTech is making B5A4 setups right now. I thought about using suicidedoors.com 3/8's air management with FFBB no SS. I basicly just want to be able to lay the edge of my rim on my fender like this

Sick A6 on bags

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/a4robm/A6_48.jpg

JaVa
02-09-2008, 08:52 PM
there are a few b5s on bags but the olybolt on kits are hps and masontech is working on one, the UA aero bags should work but check spacing on the rear. at somepoint it is something i will do but at the moment it costs too much for me to do right.

98a4
02-10-2008, 10:05 AM
What kind of timeline are we looking at on these kits?

I want the coilover adjustability, i hate cars on air that ride high then lay it parked.

FFBB kits scare me unless you run checkvales all over. The air moving side to side creating body roll sucks.

A4_2.8tuner
02-10-2008, 11:17 AM
what do these kits normally run?

JaVa
02-10-2008, 12:21 PM
i recently talked to mason tech about their kits for the b5 and that they would be priced about the same as their other kits. and were shooting to get them out in a month or two

98a4
02-10-2008, 01:09 PM
Kit I pieced was about 1600$ with the best componets. But I'm reusing my KW struts.

A4Rob
02-10-2008, 02:12 PM
what do these kits normally run?

Masontech kits are about $2500

zrowcool
02-10-2008, 02:41 PM
98a4... can we expect a write up when you are done for others like me who would like to go about doing this?

98a4
02-10-2008, 05:19 PM
Course. This is newer ground and I'd rathre build a homebrew then a 2500$ off the shelf kit. I need to measure some things and if everything seems fine, I'll start buying parts in 2-3 weeks.

A4Rob
02-10-2008, 06:33 PM
Course. This is newer ground and I'd rathre build a homebrew then a 2500$ off the shelf kit. I need to measure some things and if everything seems fine, I'll start buying parts in 2-3 weeks.

Off the shelf kits avoid fabbing brackets for the airbags though.

98a4
02-10-2008, 07:21 PM
But there should be very little fabbing running for UA Aeros on coil bodies. Bearings and mounts on the front and the rear will just be cake, if clearance works out.

I think.

1000$ cheaper is worth a few hours fabing up some brackets IMO.
Mason makes great shit tho.

A4Rob
02-10-2008, 07:57 PM
Got any links for the UA Aero bags? I couldn't seem to find anything on them.

JaVa
02-10-2008, 09:42 PM
https://www.universalairsuspension.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=29&osCsid=8fa09b3ae8a215a68991ede18e98e5f8

98a4
02-11-2008, 02:38 AM
Its the same bags Mason uses for the fronts normally.

http://ryanmeloy.com/airride/lastday/_MG_6325.jpg

A4Rob
02-11-2008, 10:01 AM
My first plan was to use this kit for management, but no one on fortitude really had much experience with it.

http://www.suicidedoors.com/StarterKit38.php

I would get the 450 compressor with it:


All of the following items are included in this kit:
* Viair 450 or 380 Compressor (You Choose)
* 5 Gallon 8-Port Tank
* 8 SMC 3/8" Valves
* NEW AVS ARC-7 Switchbox (You choose color)
* 2 Airlift Dual Needle Gauges
* 1 Airlift Single Needle Gauge
* Pressure Switch
* 30/40 Amp Relay
* 50' of 1/2" DOT Airline for bags
* 50' of 1/4" DOT Airline for gauges

That is priced at $650, then I would use my current bilstein struts with UA Bags. Sound good?

98a4
02-11-2008, 10:35 AM
I'd run 3/8" line, and a digital guage setup. Dont clutter your clean car up.
650 is a great price and UAAeros can be had for ~160 each.
Also, the switchbox is ugly IMO.
You desided on FBSS? Good, I think you'll be happier.

I'd personally piece it together. It says you save 60$ buying the kit... but with your car keep it clean, get a SS tank, digital guages and a clean switch box.

SMC or ASSCO valves and Viair 480c.

Either way. Looks like it will be 1000$ cheaper then a premade kit.
Do you have coil bodies?

A4Rob
02-11-2008, 10:39 AM
I'd run 3/8" line, and a digital guage setup. Dont clutter your clean car up.
650 is a great price and UAAeros can be had for ~160 each.
Also, the switchbox is ugly IMO.
You desided on FBSS? Good, I think you'll be happier.

I'd personally piece it together. It says you save 60$ buying the kit... but with your car keep it clean, get a SS tank, digital guages and a clean switch box.

SMC or ASSCO valves and Viair 480c.

Either way. Looks like it will be 1000$ cheaper then a premade kit.
Do you have coil bodies?

As far as the tank, I am painting it to match my exterior along with the other 2 c02 NX bottles. The switchbox is unly as sin IMO (agree with you) so I was also looking into changing that. I want to put it in the arm rest upside down, and cut holes in the bottom so I can flip switches without having anything sitting out.

Have any reccomendations on digital gauges?

I do not know that much about what strut setups work with bags over them. I am currently just running a spring/shock combo. Can my Bilstein even be re-used?

A4Rob
02-11-2008, 10:42 AM
switches

https://www.universalairsuspension.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=29&osCsid=8fa09b3ae8a215a68991ede18e98e5f8

98a4
02-11-2008, 10:48 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c47/darrbar/Car%20stuff/CIMG2012.jpg

Answer your question :)

This is from Capt. Obvious B6.

Long as your struts are 2.16 (iirc) or less in diamater it should slide right over then you just have a bracket so they dont spin while cornering. You'll need to machine your spring perch off. Read his buildup thread on the text if you haven't. I learned more from that then anything.

JaVa
02-11-2008, 01:25 PM
2.14 Od

A4Rob
02-11-2008, 01:46 PM
So the UA bags will work then. Good to know. ^^^^

98a4
02-11-2008, 03:42 PM
I want to know the KW size :( or my plan goes out the window.

Congrats Rob, sounds like this is lining up nicely for you.
I need brakes all around, 2 wheel bearings, oil and trans change and motor mounts... So mines delayed a few weeks.

A4Rob
02-11-2008, 06:45 PM
I am in no hurry right now. I need to finish one project at a time.

Whats left for me to do:
hook up door poppers
shave driver door
re-finish Carlssons
Start rear fenders
install roof spoiler
fix HID headlights
Paint the damn car
sandblast roll bar+ polish
Make rear seat delete (might mass produce)

So yea, I have a busy spring ahead of me

Siena
02-14-2008, 01:33 AM
As posted on vortex.

I think I'm going to do an airride setup here soon.
Anyone have any experiance or suggestions?

I'll run my KW bodies with UVAIR Aero bags on all four corners.
FB setup only.

I've never used the universal airbags.

But back in 2004, I did fit the components from the Audi A6 Allroad, to a standard B5 2.8 quattro. Fitting involved a fair bit of fabrication, and took me a whole day. Then the wiring, which I thought would be a nightmare, turned out to be quite simple.

Had to code and activate the system with VAS5052, but it worked perfectly.

It was a system I removed from a 2003 Allroad, as there were issues with it, or so Audi diagnosed, which were rectified by replacing the whole system under warranty.

98a4
02-14-2008, 03:39 AM
Thats a completely differnt type of air ride tho.

What parts needed fabing?

Siena
02-14-2008, 04:34 AM
I fitted complete Allroad units. The front bolted in place, though the top swivel arms had to be modified, a mixture of Allroad / A4, but the rear set-up was very different. I looked at a standard A6 quattro of similar year, and the Allroad rear wouldn't just bolt on there either.

I had to drill new holes in the inner arches of the A4 quattro, fit a reinforcing plate, and weld in captive nuts to match the Allroad set-up. I also had to use the rear wishbones from the Allroad.

Plumbing was a bit complicated, as I'd stripped the original warranty car down a week before, so working out locations was hard. Wiring was the easiest bit.

JaVa
02-14-2008, 08:35 AM
unless you get a setal on allroad suspension its much easier and better to do the UA bags.

98a4
02-14-2008, 08:46 AM
No question there.
Now I decide. BT or Air first...

airridina4
02-19-2008, 01:25 PM
i run a full custom setup on my '96 A4. I started from scratch and bought each component seperate. a little more pricey but i ended up with a much better quality system than buying it as a kit. I will post pics once it is out of the body shop. All components installed and maintenanced by myself. I did not use strut bags as I built my system for fast play and the shocks hinder the charge and discharge speed of the air. If anyone has any questions, I've had my kit on the car for over 2 years.

A4Rob
02-20-2008, 03:57 PM
i run a full custom setup on my '96 A4. I started from scratch and bought each component seperate. a little more pricey but i ended up with a much better quality system than buying it as a kit. I will post pics once it is out of the body shop. All components installed and maintenanced by myself. I did not use strut bags as I built my system for fast play and the shocks hinder the charge and discharge speed of the air. If anyone has any questions, I've had my kit on the car for over 2 years.

PICS PICS PICS[eek]

98a4
02-20-2008, 05:15 PM
Do you ever come out of hiding? I've never seen or heard of it and your in PA wtf?
Pictures please, rob and I will appreciate it.

airridina4
02-22-2008, 09:32 AM
I will have pictures today of the paint. it's in the body shop and just got finished today accept for puttin it back together. Has shitty steel wheels because of winter tho. Will have pics of summer wheels in spring.

the pics will be on by the end of today

sirswank
02-22-2008, 11:58 AM
paint is cool, but take the wheels off and take pics of the good stuff. i wanna know how your suspension is put together.

airridina4
02-22-2008, 02:04 PM
It's easier to describe than take the wheels off. The car is still in the body shop so I can only take pictures of new paint for the moment. Each corner has a cylinder similar to shocks but much larger. Cylinders are made by the Parker company and are fully rebuildable unless the inner cylinder wall incurrs damage. They replace both spring and shock from the stock suspenstion with brackets bolted onto the top and bottom that were machined to be almost exact replicas of original bushing mounts. I have one nitrogen bottle and two viair 480 pumps (currently removed for repairs) hooked up for my air supply. Air filters down to 3 microns on each line exiting the main air supply tank. I am using blitzluft valves to achieve a FBSS air suspension setup. I anyone who wants pics, send me your email and i'll send them when I do my anual spring overhaul on the suspension components.

98a4
02-22-2008, 02:11 PM
blownbunny@gmail.com
send them to me and ill post them up here.

A4Rob
02-22-2008, 02:31 PM
robmichals@msn.com

send em

iwearpro
02-22-2008, 03:02 PM
http://airbagit.com/product_info.php?products_id=3299


I was looking at thi kit for my car and selling the ksports just to do it....My buddy bought a few of these kits for other cars and loved the quality..

98a4
02-22-2008, 03:14 PM
Hardly no information on the componets... I dont like it.
Id rahter have bag over's on coils then air struts, ride is much better

iwearpro
02-22-2008, 03:21 PM
Good point...[hail]

SoFresh
02-22-2008, 08:04 PM
any pics yet of the 96 a4?

iwearpro
02-22-2008, 09:25 PM
If you are talking to me...Not yet,due to weather Ill say by the end of next month I should have the car ready to take pics...Oh trust me when the weather breaks ill be so stoked ill have to start a thread to show it off...lol..

airridina4
02-22-2008, 10:28 PM
Pics on the 96 coming soon. Went to see it and will have pics to post tomorrow morning... not of the air ride tho.

The bag over strut design is and excellent choice for a sport feel ride. The work slower than traditional bags or cylinders without the strut for ride control. However performance of the car is much better. Just bag or cylinder is great for fast play and show, but drastically changes ride quality depending on the volume of air in your bags/struts. Sometimes it can be rough as a bull moose to as slow and soft as a boat on the lake or quick and responsive like a sport suspension. Control over that can become real precise depending on how you have the bags/cylinders riding at the time.

98a4
02-23-2008, 12:40 PM
I dont care about handling all that much, my car wasnt built for track and cant handle worse then it does dumped on coils. But i understand what your saying.

sirswank
02-25-2008, 07:18 AM
so airridina4.... you're just running penumatic cylinders for all 4 corners? how well does that ride?

98a4... your goal is to use bags over struts. i can see how well that will work in the front, it'll be identical to capt. obvious. have you measured the available area in the rear, and will the UVair aero bags have enough clearance? i know they're like 5+" in diameter, and i think the stock springs are only 3ish. my concern is pinch points.

98a4
02-25-2008, 07:20 AM
That is my only conern. I'm home sick today, if i can get the energy to out out and check some clearances i will. But my BBS's are torn apart so i can only check so much on stock fittment

5.875" might be hard to clear

98a4
02-25-2008, 07:54 AM
I may just have to do a front setup and wait for the Mason rear soloution to come out. I checked and its not looking good without cutting into the frame/inner strut support. That was a visual check, I didnt make a template or measure anything yet...

sirswank
02-25-2008, 10:54 AM
i'd be curious to see what the HPS kit or GAS uses. both have B5 quattro applications, and the quattro is the issue, because we have these:
http://www.2bennett.com/cp.B5.1.jpg

instead of coil and shock seperate

98a4
02-25-2008, 11:28 AM
Exactly. And I had thought about it but didnt even think of how 6" looks in there...
I most likely will buy 2 UVA bags, and phsyically test fit it on the rear. I'll buy the managemnt for FBSS but may only run the fronts until the rear kits are released. My best is they are going to use a custom bag, or a cylnder.
Thank you for that picture, its hard to explain to people how our rears are setup

airridina4
02-25-2008, 02:14 PM
pneumatic cylinders (only) in each corner is very nice for play; not a good idea for ride improvement. If anyone is looking for the bag over strut, universalairsuspension.com offers excellent quality parts. You will send your stock parts to them and they will assemble the bag over the strut so all you have to do is bolt them back in w/ original bracketry. Extreme quick reaction up or down is obtained by using 1/2od lines and valves. I also have hook-up for compressed bottles of nitrogen which make it nice for continuous play. handling and ride quality are almost something of the past. precise adjustment takes some skill w/ the switches and the slightest change in adjustment will drastically effect the feel of the ride. Dakota digital offers a very nice kit for automating your ride with the airride systems.

below is a link to some pictures of the new paint as it sits. Once I do the spring overhaul of the suspenstion and organize the mess in the trunk (where most of the magic is) I'll post pics of the suspension.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=156104028&albumId=1426534

airridina4
02-25-2008, 03:59 PM
well...the link is a bad one. I'll just have to put the pics on here when i get a chance. if you're on myspace, look up the display name airridina4. I have the folder with pics of the new paint set to public view

98a4
02-25-2008, 04:28 PM
Still doesnt work.
I dont want super fast play, im running 3/8 valves and 1/4" to the bags.

The only way im doing this setup is if i can run the UVA bags on atleast the front with MASON's rear if necessary. I have a problem with cylinders...

airridina4
02-25-2008, 04:37 PM
check out the universal air suspension company. Call them and talk through what you want out of your air ride with them and see what they have to say. 9 chances out of 10 you'll be happy ya called them

sirswank
02-26-2008, 07:25 AM
i emailed UVA with a question about their coilover/airbag kit. basically, thats for offroad guys who want to lift their trucks. it uses the same aero bag as we've been discussing. they don't (to my knowledge) make a smaller diameter bag. if they do, then thats what we need. they make a small pancake bag with about 2" of lift, but that may require complete redesign of the rear suspension.

airridina4... take your damn profile off private or get photobucket.

A4Rob
02-26-2008, 02:58 PM
well...the link is a bad one. I'll just have to put the pics on here when i get a chance. if you're on myspace, look up the display name airridina4. I have the folder with pics of the new paint set to public view

add me

onemoremile
02-26-2008, 08:16 PM
http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=3688150

sirswank
02-27-2008, 06:53 AM
what does that thread have to do with anything?

airridina4
02-27-2008, 03:59 PM
Thread or not, the picture at the beginning is all you need to see. If the picture didn't hold your attention long enough for you to loose thought, you don't appreciate putting a car on 'bags'. I hope he doesn't loose air on the road or he'll be sittin for a while...lol

Lazer Viking
02-27-2008, 07:47 PM
Thread or not, the picture at the beginning is all you need to see. If the picture didn't hold your attention long enough for you to loose thought, you don't appreciate putting a car on 'bags'. I hope he doesn't loose air on the road or he'll be sittin for a while...lol


i think you need to actually READ through that last link rather then just looking at the pics


thats my thread btw [:D]

A4Rob
02-27-2008, 09:34 PM
i think you need to actually READ through that last link rather then just looking at the pics


thats my thread btw [:D]

haha no kidding.

Read the thread, he is faking it. Typical Vortex thing to do[rolleyes]

airridina4
02-28-2008, 09:07 AM
well that sucks! I really liked the photo.

98a4
02-28-2008, 01:18 PM
wow...

sirswank
03-03-2008, 06:43 AM
so, any progress over the weekend?

A4Rob
03-03-2008, 12:09 PM
I got into his myspace page, but no air ride pics as promised...

98a4
03-05-2008, 03:06 AM
Haha
I loaned a friend some money... but should have it back this week. I think ill just do the fronts for now, then wait for masons rears... I cant sit my back to low anyway becsue of the poke.

BrokeDown[20V]
03-11-2008, 09:29 PM
^^It would be dope to have the rear fenders sit on the tire and/or wheel lip though.