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onemoremile
02-07-2008, 11:00 PM
Just curious. Way back when Audisnapr was doing his chic custom center console with gauge mounts I drew these up. They fit the area where the fog lights and cupholder go on the facelift cars and extend almost up to the top of the trim. It has been a long time since I measure but I think they were set so that the trim could stay in place and not get harmed in any way. The curve at the top lets the trim show through and maintains continuity. It was drawn quickly (like 15 minutes from idea, measuring, and uploading pics) so the top curve would get tweaked to mimic the existing switch panel curve. The switches would be relocated, probably to the left of the steering wheel.

If there is interest I could do full size pdf prints and tell you how to make them easily.

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/1174render_1.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/1174assem1.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11717)http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/1174assem1_2.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11718)http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/1174assem1_2wf.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11719)http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/1174assem1_front.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11720)http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/1174assem1_iso.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11721)http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/1174render_2.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11723)

onemoremile
02-07-2008, 11:10 PM
Just noticed the pic poster says these were uploaded 8-2-2005. I still want to do this someday but thought it would be sooner. No point in keeping it a secret if someone else could use them now.

dualaudi
02-07-2008, 11:46 PM
Just noticed the pic poster says these were uploaded 8-2-2005. I still want to do this someday but thought it would be sooner. No point in keeping it a secret if someone else could use them now.

Ummmm, YA!

mike-2ptzero
02-08-2008, 04:51 AM
Have you molded it in clay yet? After that a mold can be made of it and produced in FG or CF.

audisnapr
02-08-2008, 06:34 AM
jim, show me exactly where this is supposed to go because I don't quite understand. if it sits like my old pod did, then you are in for a lot of custom work on the dash and belt-line. I thought you didn't pursue any of these ideas because of how much damage you have to inflict on the car.

here's my old fiberglass version, pre-alum center console

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/cluster/img_1462.jpg

and here's what it looked like underneath - also pre-alum center console

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/console/audi004sml.jpg

<<edit>>
btw, here's the thread from when you first designed your pod if you couldn't find it http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57928

This Is Epic
02-08-2008, 06:37 AM
I work for an engineering company and run the SLS machine, if you dont know what that is google it. ;) Send me the PDF and I can see what I can do when I get some free time.

esss_pho
02-08-2008, 12:28 PM
i think some one should do it...not a bad idea

onemoremile
02-08-2008, 01:02 PM
I work for an engineering company and run the SLS machine, if you dont know what that is google it. ;) Send me the PDF and I can see what I can do when I get some free time.

Screw the pdf. I'd sent you a stereolith file. Whaddaya want? Acis, Step, Parasolid, Iges, Nurbs?

onemoremile
02-08-2008, 01:03 PM
I had seen some very shallow electronic gauges that worked like the defi setup. Might save the trim.

Yup, like this.
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/cluster/609composite_copy-med.jpg

audisnapr
02-08-2008, 01:10 PM
if you do find some very shallow gauges, you are set - the defi's that I used were maybe a 1/4" too deep, but only on the deepest side of the gauge since they were angled towards the driver.

only other tweak you would need to make to the prototype is the side profile so that it sits flush up against the belt-line...

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/cluster/img_1427.jpg

This Is Epic
02-08-2008, 01:39 PM
Well with the PDF I could just grab the measurements, make the part in SolidWorks, turn it into an STL file and bam one day later we have a gauge pod. If you have the file formats already and drawn up send away, I would like the PDF also for reference. Check PM's for my email.

onemoremile
02-08-2008, 03:00 PM
Wouldn't you rather have the old SW05 file or a new tweaked one? I've run every version of SolidWorks since 99 and am on 07 and 08 now. Almost went to work for them through my VAR.

I haven't opened the file in years. I was browsing through my pic gallery and thought it should be shared. I can dig up the file and update it. I can take into account any suggestions anyone may have for readouts, buttons, switches, gauges, doobie holder (you know who you are), turbo timer, etc..

What kind of rapid prototyping machine do you have? I used the hot glue buildup style one years ago on a 50 caliber bullet design. My favorite are the powder printers (Z-Corp?) those things amaze me. You can make completely impossible shapes in color.

I used the SW to design and engineer the modular fixturing system to hold parts like this bumper cover for laser or cmm inspection. Did some cool stuff and learned a lot about some very interesting industries and their manufacturing techniques.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/onemoremile/15145493fixture1_revisotrans.jpg


This (http://omnistructures.com/downloads/index.html)was some cutting edge stuff back in 2000. There are first gen edrawings on there like this connecting rod fixture (http://omnistructures.com/downloads/Cast%20and%20Forged/connecting%20rod%20fixtures.exe). Go to animate and then you can roll it around and zoom in 3d or just hit play. The bumper covers are fairly recent and some of the most interesting. The .exe files contain the viewer and are safe. Keep the window small unless you've got a burly 'puter or some hardware open gl. I run dual Xeons for this stuff.

onemoremile
02-08-2008, 03:41 PM
if you do find some very shallow gauges, you are set - the defi's that I used were maybe a 1/4" too deep, but only on the deepest side of the gauge since they were angled towards the driver.

only other tweak you would need to make to the prototype is the side profile so that it sits flush up against the belt-line...

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/cluster/img_1427.jpg

That is the plan. I've got to pick up a fine contour gauge, trace the pattern onto graph paper, and then scan it into cad where I can scale and trace for a perfect match. The 1:1 pdfs are printed and measured to verify scale then glued to heavy poster board and cut out with an x-acto knife. When everything is perfect a stereolith file is made of the final revision.

After that it could go a couple different ways. I'm thinking that a silicone mold makes things easy. There are plastics that can easily be done in the garage or ventilated workshop. I've seen a silicone tail light mold made and used and it was quick and easy. That hard and durable plastic gets trimmed and sprayed with Plasti-Dip for a factory match. This is how it goes down in my head. I'm wide open to other options.

The hard plastic parts could also be used to make negative molds (or I could use the mold making toolsets in SW and have it 3d printed) which would be perfect for 2 layers of fiberglass or carbon fiber.

I Need one of these:
http://www.americanprestocorp.com/ETSOOBase/EOFile/Root/1001/26-CG6.jpg

Kyle H
02-08-2008, 05:10 PM
Somebody should build a pod for the pre-facelift dash... something that mounts in the unused button slots would rock.

onemoremile
02-08-2008, 06:15 PM
Got a pic of the area?

Kyle H
02-08-2008, 06:59 PM
Uploading pics now, i just measured and it's only ~45mm tall. [:(]

Kyle H
02-08-2008, 07:07 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/DSC_1673.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/DSC_1670.jpg

Bic-Ball
02-08-2008, 09:02 PM
if you removed the rear foglight button and moved the other three to the right side you could probably fit two small gauges side by side.

dingguhlbary
02-08-2008, 09:08 PM
^^^ you dont need any of those buttons? or relocation??

Bic-Ball
02-08-2008, 09:47 PM
remove the rear foglight button and move the seat heater, defroster and front foglight buttons to the right panel. that will clear up the entire section to make a new piece that fits in there with holes for 2 gauges.

Kyle H
02-08-2008, 10:27 PM
if you removed the rear foglight button and moved the other three to the right side you could probably fit two small gauges side by side.

Good idea, but do they make a gauge that will fit in the 45mm area?

Matt@JHM
02-08-2008, 11:00 PM
Send me some dimensions and I might be able to make you a part out of delrin if you're interested. I made my own boost gauge holder for my center vent. Here's my old thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127640

Seems like a fun project

If you're concerned about my craftsmanship, I make all of JHMotorsport's shifters, linkage upgrades, etc. [:)]

onemoremile
02-08-2008, 11:15 PM
Delrin is good stuff. We wanted some parts machined from UHMW but it couldn't hold the tolerances an we ended up with delrin.

For the prefacelift models you could do a full panel replacement like this:
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/console/IMG_6892.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100460)

Kyle H
02-08-2008, 11:41 PM
This is more of just an idea to throw around, I just chopped up my center vent tonight and installed my VDO gauge. [:)]

edit-
onemoremile, i remember seeing that guy's thread designing that thing. I wonder if that would look better in delrin... [;)]

audisnapr
02-09-2008, 06:53 AM
edit-
onemoremile, i remember seeing that guy's thread designing that thing.[;)]

haha, "that guy's"... I'm such a has-been.

Kyle H
02-09-2008, 12:33 PM
haha, "that guy's"... I'm such a has-been.

you just need to whore out your interior pics more, then I'll remember the name. [:)]

audisnapr
02-09-2008, 01:07 PM
haha, nah, the interior pics are in the archives where they belong.

onemoremile
02-10-2008, 08:37 AM
This is more of just an idea to throw around[;)]

No worries. I'm much more adept at throwing ideas around than following through with actual work. [:D]

brlukosk
02-12-2008, 06:21 PM
Any updates? All this design talk has stimulated my inner geek.

TQMB5
02-12-2008, 06:52 PM
haha, "that guy's"... I'm such a has-been.

haha i remembered if it makes you feel any better, but i did have to think first though...[:D]

onemoremile
02-12-2008, 07:00 PM
Now I've got actual work to do on it. I've got to reset material thickness and create draft angles. Also have to work in the right side profile to eliminate gaps.

Anyone got anything else they want to see?