New SPA manifold is here....This is one people should look at!

[bassed]

with the help of a friend (this friend would be the POOPIE) pointing me to SPA via a random online find I got in contact with the US distributor and picked one up. It has a 100% lifetime warranty and the manifold is cast using a high ductile silicone based iron. I chose the external 35mm-38mm wastegate, T3 & T3/T4 turbine inlet manifold they offer. It's a top mounting manifold, which is a huge plus based on stresses on the studs, etc... They have a bottom mounting non wastegated manifold as well that will accommodate those looking for a T25 turbine inlet. The company that produces these (SPA) has a great reputation with the BMW Track guys. SPA owns it's foundry and forgery so they have 100% control and it's made in Brazil (very high quality) and they have a racing back ground.

Now for the pictures:

http://BASSED.smugmug.com/photos/249549096-X3.jpg
http://BASSED.smugmug.com/photos/249549310-X3.jpg
http://BASSED.smugmug.com/photos/249550003-X3.jpg
http://BASSED.smugmug.com/photos/249550239-X3.jpg

SPA Turbo (http://www.spaturbousa.com/home/)

[Poopie]

very nice. Hopefully it works out for you

[mike-2ptzero]

So I am going to guess this is the same manifold delrio sells and uses?

[onemoremile]

http://spaturbousa.com/home//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=6

[Wizard-of-OD]

This is a good manifold and Anthony is a great guy to deal with.We are building a kit surrounding this manifold for the B5 as we think it is the nicest cast unit we have seen to date that is AFFORDABLE.

[lanks]

nice find!

(hope the chantix is working for you!!) [;)]

[A4Rollin]

nice lookin mani, the 100% lifetime warranty is a plus!
what was the price range for these manifolds?

[Poopie]

i'll see what happens with ians and maybe i'll switch mine.

[Poopie]

price is $450 plus shipping

[Wizard-of-OD]

price is $450 plus shipping
I can get them cheaper than that :P

[bassed]

I can get them cheaper than that :P

We'll see who has proven numbers and package first[;)] The race is on and I'm not coming in 2nd[:D] I'll see your price and drop you _____.

[Wizard-of-OD]

We'll see who has proven numbers and package first[;)] The race is on and I'm not coming in 2nd[:D] I'll see your price and drop you _____.
I dont need proven numbers...BTDT ;) and you cant drop me on a price [:p]

[bassed]

I dont need proven numbers...BTDT ;) and you cant drop me on a price [:p]


Not sure how much you can drop the price as there's only 1 US distributor and you would have to go through through who I bought directly from. People should be contacting Dave at SPA USA directly if they want this manifold or any information about it. SPA USA (http://www.spaturbousa.com/)

[jrodmk2]

they also sell on ebay.

[Wizard-of-OD]

they also sell on ebay.
I wont tell if you wont tell....[;)]

[bassed]

they also sell on ebay.

One retailer is authorized to do do yes and the price is the same as if you go through SPA USA. This manifold only debuted at PRI in December, not many are out there at this point and as far as I can tell I'm the first one to grab one on here or mention it aside from Poopie 2 weeks ago when he found it and mentioned it to me.

[Wizard-of-OD]

One retailer is authorized to do do yes and the price is the same as if you go through SPA USA. This manifold only debuted at PRI in December, not many are out there at this point and as far as I can tell I'm the first one to grab one on here or mention it aside from Poopie 2 weeks ago when he found it and mentioned it to me.
Actually it debuted @ SEMA.
When I saw them on ebay I was like dammit...there goes a good secret.

[killa]

We'll see who has proven numbers and package first[;)] The race is on and I'm not coming in 2nd[:D] I'll see your price and drop you _____.


If that's the case then I won [;)]

Kit done and proven, Prolly offer some with Vbands in the future though. [hail]

[bassed]

If that's the case then I won [;)]

Kit done and proven, Prolly offer some with Vbands in the future though. [hail]

[rolleyes] Ok well I guess since I've dealt directly with the only distributor in the US I'm out of the loop on this Paul [confused].

We would all love to see pictures of this said "done kit and proven." Especially considering the PM you sent me, this is just rich and the fact that you sell ATP products certainly has nothing to do with any of you remarks on PM or on here now does it.

[Wizard-of-OD]

There are SPA Dealer's in North America and they have been here for a very long time.I ran an SPA manifold on my 8V when everyone in here were still on chips.

The blue A4 with the T3 flanged cast manifold is Paul's kit....vtec something is his SN.

[killa]

[rolleyes] Ok well I guess since I've dealt directly with the only distributor in the US I'm out of the loop on this Paul [confused].

We would all love to see pictures of this said "done kit and proven." Especially considering the PM you sent me, this is just rich and the fact that you sell ATP products certainly has nothing to do with any of you remarks on PM or on here now does it.


I'm not sure who you are, I was being sarcastic in the other thread and mentioned the fact that i'd like a vbanded, high ductile class manifold and you PM'ed me saying that you were gonna post something like that tonite, yatta, yatta, yatta, pretty much making it seem the best thing since sliced bread and that if we followed Spa's manifold we would able to cross the sea just like Moses did [:p] dude,I have a kit out and don't adversite it, that's all I said, ok?

What do you have? How long have you been doing this? Who are you associated with? I can name you at least 10 cars that i've been associated in some way that put out at least 450whp, even a couple of vw's that put down over 800whp, but I can go on and on if you want, trust me, but it's not why I'm here, If you want references then email me or PM me again and i'll provide you with as many as you want.

Not just atp, just because I'm on a first name basis with them, but also other aftermarket companies that I won't name because there's no need. To answer your PM, i do speak 100% fluent Portuguese, Spanish and understand Italian and French, not too bad at the English language if you ask most people.

Also, I'm not knocking Spa nor their manifold, but if i wanted that manifold, i'm sure that I would have had it, $$$ talks and i have no problem dishing it out, but have you even tried it on? That manifold looks like a copy of the turbonetics VR and AMS's manifold, if you even know what that is, not like it's a bad thing but you might have a problem making it fit your application.

Again, I'm not mocking spa not do I want to stick up for ATP, but there's better stuff out there in cast, and I'm talking way better than ATP as well.

[317ssayzarc]

anyways this is nothing new.... del rio used SPA manis forever ago lol

[killa]

anyways this is nothing new.... del rio used SPA manis forever ago lol


Dude, aren't you supposed to be wrenching at this time?????? [wrench]

[onemoremile]

I have a kit out and don't adversite it


Get that kit out of the closet. [:D]

[bassed]

I'm not sure who you are, I was being sarcastic in the other thread and mentioned the fact that i'd like a vbanded, high ductile class manifold and you PM'ed me saying that you were gonna post something like that tonite, yatta, yatta, yatta, pretty much making it seem the best thing since sliced bread and that if we followed Spa's manifold we would able to cross the sea just like Moses did [:p] dude,I have a kit out and don't adversite it, that's all I said, ok?

What do you have? How long have you been doing this? Who are you associated with? I can name you at least 10 cars that i've been associated in some way that put out at least 450whp, even a couple of vw's that put down over 800whp, but I can go on and on if you want, trust me, but it's not why I'm here, If you want references then email me or PM me again and i'll provide you with as many as you want.

Not just atp, just because I'm on a first name basis with them, but also other aftermarket companies that I won't name because there's no need. To answer your PM, i do speak 100% fluent Portuguese, Spanish and understand Italian and French, not too bad at the English language if you ask most people.

Also, I'm not knocking Spa nor their manifold, but if i wanted that manifold, i'm sure that I would have had it, $$$ talks and i have no problem dishing it out, but have you even tried it on? That manifold looks like a copy of the turbonetics VR and AMS's manifold, if you even know what that is, not like it's a bad thing but you might have a problem making it fit your application.

Again, I'm not mocking spa not do I want to stick up for ATP, but there's better stuff out there in cast, and I'm talking way better than ATP as well.

Just the guy who's going to be daily driving their car 20k a year, tracking it, attempting schedule permitting, fitting in a couple time trials all on a T3 3071. Precisely the guy your products have not met the needs for or at least I've not heard they have done so to date[;)]

If you have this or any SPA manifolds for sale, running on any B5 A4's in T3 or T25 flanges, with at least 10k on it them, please do post pictures of the car and indeed have the owner speak up[rolleyes]

Just for you I'll shoot for another 5k on this freshly broken in motor by May. Hmm just in time for a new track opening locally, throw in a time attack, add a Trackdaze event or two. That's proven do you have that for a BT or BAT capable of 350 daily on a B5 as mentioned above? I don't have a dedicated track car yet, but what would the fun be in that[;)]

See I'm not [hail] to you yet!

[mike-2ptzero]

Just the guy who's going to be daily driving their car 20k a year, tracking it, attempting schedule permitting, fitting in a couple time trials all on a T3 3071. Precisely the guy your products have not met the needs for or at least I've not heard they have done so to date[;)]

If you have this or any SPA manifolds for sale, running on any B5 A4's in T3 or T25 flanges, with at least 10k on it them, please do post pictures of the car and indeed have the owner speak up[rolleyes]

Just for you I'll shoot for another 5k on this freshly broken in motor by May. Hmm just in time for a new track opening locally, throw in a time attack, add a Trackdaze event or two. That's proven do you have that for a BT or BAT capable of 350 daily on a B5 as mentioned above? I don't have a dedicated track car yet, but what would the fun be in that[;)]

See I'm not [hail] to you yet!

What I dont understand is why you needed a cast manifold. Odd thing is that when I look at most of the Evo's that are winning all of the road racing events they are all running tube manifolds. These include my friends evo that is sponsored and is a car that the AMS driver Paul Gerrard loves to drive for any street class event he does on the west coast. IIRC even the AMS shop beast runs a tube manifold and it wins nearly everything it enters. I guess they haven't been told that "cast" is better and tube manifolds are only meant for "drag racing".[rolleyes]

Another EVO owner that is sponsored by AMS is an ex A4 owner named CJ moses. I will have to ask him what manifold/turbo setup he is running but my guess is going to be "tube".

[Wizard-of-OD]

Come on Mike, Cast > Welded tubular any day of the week in terms of reliability.

[pac1085]

What I dont understand is why you needed a cast manifold. Odd thing is that when I look at most of the Evo's that are winning all of the road racing events they are all running tube manifolds. These include my friends evo that is sponsored and is a car that the AMS driver Paul Gerrard loves to drive for any street class event he does on the west coast. IIRC even the AMS shop beast runs a tube manifold and it wins nearly everything it enters. I guess they haven't been told that "cast" is better and tube manifolds are only meant for "drag racing".[rolleyes]

Another EVO owner that is sponsored by AMS is an ex A4 owner named CJ moses. I will have to ask him what manifold/turbo setup he is running but my guess is going to be "tube".

local guy, who has the fastest stock bottom end evo is running a cast stainless manifold. cast stainless manifolds are sick!

[killa]

Just the guy who's going to be daily driving their car 20k a year, tracking it, attempting schedule permitting, fitting in a couple time trials all on a T3 3071. Precisely the guy your products have not met the needs for or at least I've not heard they have done so to date[;)]

If you have this or any SPA manifolds for sale, running on any B5 A4's in T3 or T25 flanges, with at least 10k on it them, please do post pictures of the car and indeed have the owner speak up[rolleyes]

Just for you I'll shoot for another 5k on this freshly broken in motor by May. Hmm just in time for a new track opening locally, throw in a time attack, add a Trackdaze event or two. That's proven do you have that for a BT or BAT capable of 350 daily on a B5 as mentioned above? I don't have a dedicated track car yet, but what would the fun be in that[;)]

See I'm not [hail] to you yet!

I see your kind all the time, something comes out and they make it out to be the best thing ever, usually to make a buck or two while putting other products down and not even knowing anything about them.
I am Paul from Boostfactory, perhaps you've heard of it, perhaps not, in the end it doesn't matter really, only thing that matters is that I use my experience and share it when asked, you on the other hand..... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3441615
.... get your work done by other people

me.... http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105602

Get the point? I [wrench], you cheer [race]

As far as my kit, it's called the BF! B5 kit, it's not posted on the BF! site as of yet but it'll do your 350whp with no problem, I'm not an AZ advertiser so I won't get into it here, email me if you want to learn more about it.

You sure try to talk a lot of smack for someone who just blew a motor with a GT28R turbo, I had a GT35R in my car even before they were said to be the next best thing, my 35R was a prototype as sponsored from Garrett/ATP, now use some other stuff that's still bigger than a GT3071R which by the way happens to be the smallest turbo choice in my kit, If you want take a trip up the NJ turnpike and i'll take you for a spin in my audi which btw has over 15k miles on it in about 6 months with no problems, so your 20k miles per year mark will be reached in about another 2 months.

And just that you know, i'm also developing a 12v mk4 kit which is basically done, do you see me running my mouth here about it? No, why? Because it's not done with at least 30k miles on it under boost, that'll put out 450whp at higher boost, injector limited, not to talk about my other car http://boostfactory.net/article.php?id=32 which will put out over 500whp at higher boost, got a dyno to prove it if you dont beleive it.

Again, you have seen what I personally own/work on, want to get into what i've been associated with? I can link you to my site for something that runs 9's http://boostfactory.net/article.php?id=34 but i'll let it stay like this for now as i'm sure you'll have something more to stay.

[killa]

What I dont understand is why you needed a cast manifold. Odd thing is that when I look at most of the Evo's that are winning all of the road racing events they are all running tube manifolds. These include my friends evo that is sponsored and is a car that the AMS driver Paul Gerrard loves to drive for any street class event he does on the west coast. IIRC even the AMS shop beast runs a tube manifold and it wins nearly everything it enters. I guess they haven't been told that "cast" is better and tube manifolds are only meant for "drag racing".[rolleyes]

Another EVO owner that is sponsored by AMS is an ex A4 owner named CJ moses. I will have to ask him what manifold/turbo setup he is running but my guess is going to be "tube".

Mike, come on dude....

Flow and reliability may or may know be connected, a nice high ductile manifold > Any tubular out there. You can CAD draw a nice evo manifold as well but it'll take a lot of $$$, local guy has an AMS manifold in his evo and that shit cracked not too long ago, it's all good for track cars but image driving that thing like i drive my gti, everyday, in and out of traffic, stop and go, quick run and egt's going up and down worse than Britney's rollercoaster emotions. It's true, it cracked, it happens.
They do flow pretty well but you can make that with cast also.
Has anyone really seen the VW AMS manifold? I don't mean the evo shop, I mean AMS in Cali, equal lenght cast manifold? Best Cast manifold for a 16v, this SPA one is pretty much an attempt to copy and place it on a 20v, looks pretty decent IMO.

[mike-2ptzero]

Mike, come on dude....

Flow and reliability may or may know be connected, a nice high ductile manifold > Any tubular out there. You can CAD draw a nice evo manifold as well but it'll take a lot of $$$, local guy has an AMS manifold in his evo and that shit cracked not too long ago, it's all good for track cars but image driving that thing like i drive my gti, everyday, in and out of traffic, stop and go, quick run and egt's going up and down worse than Britney's rollercoaster emotions. It's true, it cracked, it happens.
They do flow pretty well but you can make that with cast also.
Has anyone really seen the VW AMS manifold? I don't mean the evo shop, I mean AMS in Cali, equal lenght cast manifold? Best Cast manifold for a 16v, this SPA one is pretty much an attempt to copy and place it on a 20v, looks pretty decent IMO.

Well I dont know who makes the AMS manifolds but I am sure they dont put nearly as much work into the manifolds as Full-race does. If you like I would be more then welcome to get Geoff to post up and there are plenty of VW 1.8t owners running their manifolds which I am pretty sure you know about if you spend any time on Vortex.


Do you mean the "ex" AMS shop in cali seeing that Mark closed shop some time ago.

[onemoremile]

Flow can go either way. A cast manifold don't have any weld boogers hanging into the pipes but a good builder will take care of that sort of thing anyway. Cast will still have smoother transitions inside and is much less susceptible to cracking. It is easier to get consistent diameter runners of equal length in a casting.

I've seen race teams run both but the cast do last longer. Most teams that run tubular do so because they can keep experimenting with the tube sizes, step sizes and locations, etc.. With a tubular all you can do is port it or extrude hone it. The big plus is that once it is up and running you don't have to worry about it at all.

The FR stuff should be less prone to cracking than a lot of tubulars since they are such high quality. For the money they had better be. Still, their nature dictates that they will always be more likely to crack than a cast.

[317ssayzarc]

Dude, aren't you supposed to be wrenching at this time?????? [wrench]

finished all the test fitting and grinding of the block walls... gotta mod the oil squirter and i marked the im shaft to be turned down... its getting bored as i post this and im actually heading over to the shop for the second time today... stopped by bobs place earlier today to get the rebuild bearings, seals, gaskets, ect... brought em up there and now here i am... bout to go back up there... im so sick of driving [drive] [headbang]

its killing me thinking about how small that gears gonna be now with the pauters paul [:(]

[ModifiedA4]

all this talk about flow and it seems like people are missing the point about how turbochargers work. sure flow matters, but have the least thermal losses on the way to the turbo matters more. 'cast' manifolds have the clear advantage here.

[317ssayzarc]

http://www.full-race.com/articles/1.8T_turbo_manifold_test_writeup.pdf

testing done by bob q...

not picking sides but presenting some info

[onemoremile]

Also have to keep in mind that this manifold is cast with individual runners so it acts like a tubular manifold not a log. In theory it should hold the heat better, resist cracking better, and still give the upper rpm performance of a tubey. I would definitely have Swain coat it or it will radiate a lot of heat into the engine bay.

[Wizard-of-OD]

http://www.full-race.com/articles/1.8T_turbo_manifold_test_writeup.pdf

testing done by bob q...

not picking sides but presenting some info
Jacob thats a log cast,not ramhorn cast.
Ramhorn cast will produce similar results to that of a tubular manifold.

[mike-2ptzero]

all this talk about flow and it seems like people are missing the point about how turbochargers work. sure flow matters, but have the least thermal losses on the way to the turbo matters more. log manifolds have the clear advantage here.

Do you mean "cast" not actual log? Just asking because there are logs made of SS and there are tube manifolds made out of "cast" SS. The FR and ER tube manifolds are both made of thick wall cast SS. We are not talking about cheap thin wall manifolds like those found on Ebay.

[bassed]

I see your kind all the time, something comes out and they make it out to be the best thing ever, usually to make a buck or two while putting other products down and not even knowing anything about them.
I am Paul from Boostfactory, perhaps you've heard of it, perhaps not, in the end it doesn't matter really, only thing that matters is that I use my experience and share it when asked, you on the other hand..... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3441615
.... get your work done by other people

me.... http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105602

Get the point? I [wrench], you cheer [race]

As far as my kit, it's called the BF! B5 kit, it's not posted on the BF! site as of yet but it'll do your 350whp with no problem, I'm not an AZ advertiser so I won't get into it here, email me if you want to learn more about it.

You sure try to talk a lot of smack for someone who just blew a motor with a GT28R turbo, I had a GT35R in my car even before they were said to be the next best thing, my 35R was a prototype as sponsored from Garrett/ATP, now use some other stuff that's still bigger than a GT3071R which by the way happens to be the smallest turbo choice in my kit, If you want take a trip up the NJ turnpike and i'll take you for a spin in my audi which btw has over 15k miles on it in about 6 months with no problems, so your 20k miles per year mark will be reached in about another 2 months.

And just that you know, i'm also developing a 12v mk4 kit which is basically done, do you see me running my mouth here about it? No, why? Because it's not done with at least 30k miles on it under boost, that'll put out 450whp at higher boost, injector limited, not to talk about my other car http://boostfactory.net/article.php?id=32 which will put out over 500whp at higher boost, got a dyno to prove it if you dont beleive it.

Again, you have seen what I personally own/work on, want to get into what i've been associated with? I can link you to my site for something that runs 9's http://boostfactory.net/article.php?id=34 but i'll let it stay like this for now as i'm sure you'll have something more to stay.

Paul I'm aware of who you are and have been for quite some time. Sorry I'm responding to this so late, I've been at my office (35 miles from home) since 10am. Yup working yet another 70 hour week, I'll be here tomorrow as well, hey add going back for a 2nd degree for Architorture in my schedule too and you and everyone can see why I've chosen to turn over the labor responsibilty to some one else this round. I used to have time to do all the [wrench], I did so for 3 of the 5 years I've had the car since the warranty ended. As we age and our job titles and responsibilites change our schedules, sometimes some of us don't have a life that permits the things we could do in the past always, especially in a DIY fashion. Unlike you, you're Paul of BOOSTFACTORY/feckin a$$hole who makes his living in automotive sector of the economy. My engine did blow yup, 3 rods in fact. Do you know why or anything about my build, car etc...? Nope you don't! Linking to Josh's work helps NLS's advertising, sure he'll be thankful for that. See I'm the customer who pays for products, one's you didn't sell me [confused] Beyond glad I went through other people and didn't give you a piece of the pie. Seems I spent a good deal of money and you missed out huh[confused] Hmm wonder why you right pompous prick!

Nope I don't know anyone with high WHP vehicles [rolleyes] While I'm not directly involved with Schimel I do know him and alot of his cars [eek] Take your pick of his cars, employees etc I've known, grew up around with etc....... I know a 8.921 seconds at 162 MPH 1000whp car and it's owner rather well, it happens to run NHRA Race series. Do you have any cars that do so? It's a big country with lots of shops and little online retailers like yourself PAUL it's not all about BOOSTFACTORY[;)]

You seem to talk about your A4 alot, mention and link builds of VW's but yet you've never posted pictures of the topic at hand the manifold, the "kit" or your god damn car.



I'm not the one going to profit I can assure you as I bought this manifold as a customer, an excited one at that. I'm not the one losing profits, business and hopefuly respect as people read this! I'm sure they'll be able to deduce what kind of person and business you seem to run, especially if you have proven products with over 15k on them for the B5 A4 specifically and you have never shown anyone on here a thing or put the parts up for sale on your precious site, cause wait....wait oh yeah you're Paul of BOOSTFACTORY. I'm the one who just bought a product and I am just sharing pictures of a purchase I am excited about[;)]

Yup Josh swapped my 2.0L I had 034 build. Yup I spent alot of money, yup none of it went to your company so quit [=(], have some tact, especially since you've just come across as the most pompous a$$hat on here.

I'm just a user posting a new product I bought and sharing like I said. You're the owner of a company getting their panties in a bunch when you're not even a registered seller on AZ[confused]

[killa]

Well I dont know who makes the AMS manifolds but I am sure they dont put nearly as much work into the manifolds as Full-race does. If you like I would be more then welcome to get Geoff to post up and there are plenty of VW 1.8t owners running their manifolds which I am pretty sure you know about if you spend any time on Vortex.


Do you mean the "ex" AMS shop in cali seeing that Mark closed shop some time ago.

AMS did close down but they still have products out there, the manifold is an example of that. What part of a Welded manifold isn't as good as a good cast manifold don't you understand? I can get people from GM,Ford, Toyota too, i know that FR is quality stuff, for a welded manifold, but it's not cast.

[killa]

Paul I'm aware of who you are and have been for quite some time. Sorry I'm responding to this so late, I've been at my office (35 miles from home) since 10am. Yup working yet another 70 hour week, I'll be here tomorrow as well, hey add going back for a 2nd degree for Architorture in my schedule too and you and everyone can see why I've chosen to turn over the labor responsibilty to some one else this round. I used to have time to do all the [wrench], I did so for 3 of the 5 years I've had the car since the warranty ended. As we age and our job titles and responsibilites change our schedules, sometimes some of us don't have a life that permits the things we could do in the past always, especially in a DIY fashion. Unlike you, you're Paul of BOOSTFACTORY/feckin a$$hole who makes his living in automotive sector of the economy. My engine did blow yup, 3 rods in fact. Do you know why or anything about my build, car etc...? Nope you don't! Linking to Josh's work helps NLS's advertising, sure he'll be thankful for that. See I'm the customer who pays for products, one's you didn't sell me [confused] Beyond glad I went through other people and didn't give you a piece of the pie. Seems I spent a good deal of money and you missed out huh[confused] Hmm wonder why you right pompous prick!

Nope I don't know anyone with high WHP vehicles [rolleyes] While I'm not directly involved with Schimel I do know him and alot of his cars [eek] Take your pick of his cars, employees etc I've known, grew up around with etc....... I know a 8.921 seconds at 162 MPH 1000whp car and it's owner rather well, it happens to run NHRA Race series. Do you have any cars that do so? It's a big country with lots of shops and little online retailers like yourself PAUL it's not all about BOOSTFACTORY[;)]

You seem to talk about your A4 alot, mention and link builds of VW's but yet you've never posted pictures of the topic at hand the manifold, the "kit" or your god damn car.



I'm not the one going to profit I can assure you as I bought this manifold as a customer, an excited one at that. I'm not the one losing profits, business and hopefuly respect as people read this! I'm sure they'll be able to deduce what kind of person and business you seem to run, especially if you have proven products fwith ovre 15k on them for the B5 A4 specifically and you have never shown anyone on here a thing or put the parts up for sale on your precious site, cause wait....wait oh yeah you're Paul of BOOSTFACTORY. I'm the one who just bought a product and I am just sharing pictures of a purchase I am excited about[;)]

Yup Josh swapped my 2.0L I had 034 build. Yup I spent alot of money, yup none of it went to your company so quit [=(], have some tact, especially since you've just come across as the most pompous a$$hat on here.

I'm just a user posting a new product I bought and sharing like I said. You're the owner of a company getting their panties in a bunch when you're not even a registered seller on AZ[confused]

dude, you have no clue [:D]
Congrats on your manifold, as far as losing respect from people, If i was scared of that then i'd be kissing everyone's asses in here, i'm not a registered vendor on AZ because I don't have plans to advertise, people know of my kit, if the want they know how to reach me, I have enough biz but thanks for caring anyway[up]

Facts:

Any of my cars will rape your A4
You might know Bill Schimmel, but Brian Kirch's car is local, matter of fact I got him the best deal on the GT42RS that he put down 820whp with, same for Steve as I grew up with those guys and Brian did the work on those cars not Bill, even so why would you bring his name up? You're not associated with them. I can name you people in PR that run mid 7's in RWD corrados but i'd be embarassed because the only thing that I might have done was sell them a couple of parts.

Also, I didn't call you any names so I would think that there's no reason to call me names even though I fully understand that the truth hurts and you have been shown off.

But really though, show me what YOU have done and I'll do the same if you dont think that my stuff is at least OK not to say Quality. Feel free to keep calling me names as it only tells me that you don't know what else to do.
Thanks and have a good day.

[Wizard-of-OD]

I dont usually do these but Paul is my home slice:
As we age and our job titles and responsibilites change our schedules, sometimes some of us don't have a life that permits the things we could do in the past always, especially in a DIY fashion.
You do realise Paul is a mechanical Engineer and is an advisor to OEM's as well as the FIA?Just thought I would let you in on that secret.The reason Boostfactory is not APR or VF or Fullrace is because like you his responsibilities has changed.Had he had the money to start this 6 years ago when he wanted to we would all be buying & RUNNING BF kits.Intercoolers,cast manifolds etc etc. but sadly BF has and will always be a side business for Paul as much as people would love that to change.

Seems I spent a good deal of money and you missed out huh[confused] Hmm wonder why you right pompous prick!
Not cool...


Take your pick of his cars, employees etc I've known, grew up around with etc....... I know a 8.921 seconds at 162 MPH 1000whp car and it's owner rather well, it happens to run NHRA Race series. Do you have any cars that do so?
Did you BUILD any of these cars or did schimmel build them?I think you answered that one.
Paul has BUILT or had a hand in BUILDING more >10s cars in this industry than anyone I know....034 included.


I'm not the one losing profits, business and hopefuly respect as people read this!
And you think Paul is? LOL...if anything his PM box right now is being fulled with messages along the lines of "details on your kit please".I know because I got 2... [:D]
When I use to be Issam@Boostfactory the PM box use to reach over 45 pop ups a day.Half of those were guys who wanted products just because they were coming from [email protected] you guys are now contemplating he has forgotten long time ago and thats not to sound arrogant or pompous or cocky.Thats just me setting in a reality check as most people forget who they are talking to sometimes.
....How much do you think his A4 puts down? 400whp? 450whp? Try more....how many of you are putting that down,f-it...how many of you are putting that down RELIABLY?

Now that is over I cant believe we are arguing over a manifold that Paul can get for 300US....this is pathetic.

[mike-2ptzero]

AMS did close down but they still have products out there, the manifold is an example of that. What part of a Welded manifold isn't as good as a good cast manifold don't you understand? I can get people from GM,Ford, Toyota too, i know that FR is quality stuff, for a welded manifold, but it's not cast.

Are you trying to say "cast" manifolds dont crack? Because in the last 8 years of being in the audi community I have seen my share of "cast" manifolds used on the A4 that have cracked.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Are you trying to say "cast" manifolds dont crack? Because in the last 8 years of being in the audi community I have seen my share of "cast" manifolds used on the A4 that have cracked.
Ratio of Cast manifolds cracking : Tubular manifolds is like 1:25 mike.
You cant expect an ATP manifold that has seen 100,000+ km's to be perfect.
It is going to have some cracks but not alot.

[audiFUEGO]

how do you guys always manage to get all worked up over exhaust manifolds?

[killa]

Are you trying to say "cast" manifolds dont crack? Because in the last 8 years of being in the audi community I have seen my share of "cast" manifolds used on the A4 that have cracked.


No, i never said that cast manifolds don't crack, do you feel the need to put words in my mouth mike?

A high ductile cast manifold > Welded manifold, you can argue all day.

[killa]

Ratio of Cast manifolds cracking : Tubular manifolds is like 1:25 mike.
You cant expect an ATP manifold that has seen 100,000+ km's to be perfect.
It is going to have some cracks but not alot.

Problem is that a lot of these manifolds are also made out of inferior cast, gray metal which is why they're so cheap, APR, PAG manifolds aren't like that.

[killa]

how do you guys always manage to get all worked up over exhaust manifolds?

I'm just tossin' in my 2cents, I'm not the one that got called out, and between me and you, this shit makes me [:D]

[audiFUEGO]

haha me too...

[mike-2ptzero]

Ratio of Cast manifolds cracking : Tubular manifolds is like 1:25 mike.
You cant expect an ATP manifold that has seen 100,000+ km's to be perfect.
It is going to have some cracks but not alot.

Ok now give that ratio of tube vs cast only used on the 1.8t? Which way do you think that ratio is going to turn? [:p]

[killa]

Ok now give that ratio of tube vs cast only used on the 1.8t? Which way do you think that ratio is going to turn? [:p]

do you have the actual numbers? If so then post.

[VTECCURED]

i have never seen you post so much killa.... LOL

[killa]

i have never seen you post so much killa.... LOL

I like a good argument.

[Wizard-of-OD]

Ok now give that ratio of tube vs cast only used on the 1.8t? Which way do you think that ratio is going to turn? [:p]
That was for the 1.8T.

Dont act like FF manifolds dont crack because they do....I dont need Geoff to come in here and say his products does not crack because that would be false advertisement.
All manifolds crack...thats the reality of it.welded more than cast....I run a welded tubular manifold (hand welded) and I have no problem taking off my manifold and sending it out to get repaired because @ the end of the day I know I have a product that was made for me to my specifications.Not just some generic product made for everyone.
Yes robotic welds do help and yes FF manifolds are better built than hand mand tubular manifolds but when it comes to which one cracks less....that would be CAST.

Now I have never been a fan of log cast manifolds because I did not like the design,however I own 1 of these manifolds and 1 of the dahlback manifolds.The Treadstone manifold I have sold and all 3 of these were very well designed CAST high flow manifolds.

[AudiA4_20T]

Hmm I like you both Ian and Paul, I feel like you guys should be helping each other not BSing, everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses

[onemoremile]

Most of this thread was quite helpful to those who needed it. On the other hand, a few of these posts were like speed bumps on a wheelchair ramp. Warnings have been issued. Lets keep it clean and respectful. This forum has the potential to be a great resource that will stand for years. Please don't taint (yeah, I said it - the non grundle kind you pervs) the info and try to maintain some decorum. We can all pretend to be grownups here.

[bassed]

Most of this thread was quite helpful to those who needed it. On the other hand, a few of these posts were like speed bumps on a wheelchair ramp. Warnings have been issued. Lets keep it clean and respectful. This forum has the potential to be a great resource that will stand for years. Please don't taint (yeah, I said it - the non grundle kind you pervs) the info and try to maintain some decorum. We can all pretend to be grownups here.


Agreed on the name calling.

Paul I am sorry I called you names.

Jim you have PM

[b00st]

so PM me your kit info killa....i'm ready to buy.

[D's Avant]

I agree onemoremile, things seem to be slipping on the B5 forum lately. I seem to be using the forum less and less as a resource. My hobbie is working on my car and I need all the help I can get. I plan to keep my 99 B5 avant for another 10 plus years. I sound like an old man now. Modding B5's are fun!!!

[bassed]

I agree onemoremile, things seem to be slipping on the B5 forum lately. I seem to be using the forum less and less as a resource. My hobbie is working on my car and I need all the help I can get. I plan to keep my 99 B5 avant for another 10 plus years. I sound like an old man now. Modding B5's are fun!!!

Dude I am just like you. I did all the work on my car until 1 blew my motor back in June (had the car since early 04'), when my schedule just didn't allow.

I buy products not sell them, that is my issue and only issue. That's why I used the language I did. I'm trying to let people know about a new product I managed to pick up and share the info of how you can get it and through who I bought it through, while ____, _____ and ____ are selling their products in a fashion while, avoiding paying to be a legit advertiser on here. What do I have to gain other than getting more hit's on my smugmug account where I hosted the picture of the manifold I bought? NADA[rolleyes]


All I did was post of pictures of a product I bought full price. Then ____ uses guerilla tactics to try and sell products they have and discredit the product I bought or claim it won't fit, go back and read. all about $$$ for him and Issam. If there is something better tell us what it is since so many people have issues with the product line Paul presently sells. I have the damn ATP manifold he sells, if he had something better for me he should have mentioned it to me don't you think? I don't care anymore this is BS [headbang] Paul and Issam don't carry SPA call the US distributor if you don't believe me.

I'm just the guy buying products once again, not selling.

[Wizard-of-OD]

I don't care anymore this is BS [headbang] Paul and Issam don't carry SPA call the US distributor if you don't believe me.
[:o]....are you 5?
Stop being ignorant,this is 2008....Brazil is a stone throw away and contacts get made daily.We dont need to go through the US distributor to get anything especially a manifold...
Didnt you read where Paul said he the fastest cars in PR run his parts?When I was running an SPA manifold, Mike Hood was on a K03 so you can put that into perspective.


<edit> threadjack pics are gone.

[pac1085]

Anyways...hurry up and get this thing installed!! :) My ATP manifold needs to come out soon, and I'm sure its gonna be cracked to shit. Interested in seeing how this looks once it's installed in a car, where my inlet would end up, wastegate positioning, if the compressor cover's going to clear, etc. Do you have plans for a brace?

[bassed]

Anyways...hurry up and get this thing installed!! :) My ATP manifold needs to come out soon, and I'm sure its gonna be cracked to shit. Interested in seeing how this looks once it's installed in a car, where my inlet would end up, wastegate positioning, if the compressor cover's going to clear, etc. Do you have plans for a brace?


3 Weeks all permiting schedule wise and you'll be kept abreast. I do plan on configuring a bracket, yes.

[ILoveT]

Pretty sweet that we were introduced to a "new" manifold. It's always fun to have a plethora of different parts to choose from. Though the tubular ram horn manifold looks really cool, I just like the log manifolds better because they just seem more heavy duty. I think I would always choose log over tubular. Piece of mind means a lot to me, maybe even if it's false. Lol

EDIT: I don't mean log, I mean cast.

[onemoremile]

Intake manifold pics and related posts are gone. They aren't going to be allowed in this thread. You are over 5 and know better than to step on other's toes.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to know more about it but this isn't the place.

[ILoveT]

I looked through the thread again, I don't know if I searched well enough but what is there a SPA specific flow chart compared with a tubular manifold? Again, sorry if I didn't search thoroughly enough but I just want to be that much more informed. :)

[audiFUEGO]

would there be any noticeable gains for k03/k04 people with this exhaust mani and/or the intake mani that wiz posted (sorry Jim i just wanna know)?

And with this cast mani, would the cracking issue still be there with k03/k04 guys, or is the cracking only seen from bt setups?

[Poopie]

for k03 and k04 the stock manifold is fine.

[mike-2ptzero]

would there be any noticeable gains for k03/k04 people with this exhaust mani and/or the intake mani that wiz posted (sorry Jim i just wanna know)?

And with this cast mani, would the cracking issue still be there with k03/k04 guys, or is the cracking only seen from bt setups?

The exhaust manifold they are posting about is to be used with a BT since it has a T3 flange, so it isn't even going to work with a K03/K04.

[onemoremile]

The SPA manifold should flow as well as a tubular or even a little bit better. Tubular manifolds are compromised in that they have to have access to all the welds which makes the runners longer. That also makes it harder to get equal length.

With a cast manifold you can draw the runners in cad (or build it physically) and then add the material around them. The runners can be what is optimal rather than what is easy to manufacture. Cast manifolds also tend to be much more consistent since the casting is put in the same jig for machining every time. Welded manifolds are often in really suspect welding fixtures that allow for inaccuracies. The welding itself distorts the material too although this isn't as much of an issue with the thicker cast stainless piping most high quality ones are made from.


We did a project with the Conner Ave Chrysler plant involving a quality control study and our CMM fixtures for the Viper manifolds. Those manifolds were made with the best of equipment and still varied in ways that castings never do. The powertrain engineers wanted cast manifolds but were overruled by marketing. Marketing felt that real car guys needed to see tubes in there or it wasn't a real hot rod. Tell that to Gale Banks.

Painted for trade show display:
http://omnistructures.com/graphics/exhaust_manifold_tube_1.jpghttp://omnistructures.com/graphics/exhaust_manifold_tube_2.jpg

What they look like stock:
http://www.reefcorner.com/images/ExhaustManifold.jpg

[onemoremile]

He was talking about the intake manifold. No, the stock intake manifold flows a hell of a lot more than a K04 turbo.

[ModifiedA4]

Do you mean "cast" not actual log? Just asking because there are logs made of SS and there are tube manifolds made out of "cast" SS. The FR and ER tube manifolds are both made of thick wall cast SS. We are not talking about cheap thin wall manifolds like those found on Ebay.

yah, i meant cast...my bad.

[Rosati]

Cant wait to see results! [up]

Good find ian/poop

Mani looks like a no frills/badass get the job done right kind of product

[bassed]

Cant wait to see results! [up]

Good find ian/poop

Mani looks like a no frills/badass get the job done right kind of product

Indeed[up] I will be keeping all posted. Manifold is getting some SwainTech love as I type this (hopefully takes 2 weeks ish for their turn around)

[onemoremile]

Good call on the Swain coating.