19'' BBS CK w/ bfg installed (pics tomorrow) PROBLEM

[jojogoya88]

First off i want to say thanks to Kristokes for the rims and tires, man of his word, cool guy. Wheels are in tip top condition as well as tires.

Ive had them on for exactly a day now and no signs of rubbing untill tonight, as i had 2 people then 3 people, then even back to just me in the car, the RIGHT rear has been rubbing like a bitch. Its not hitting the actual fender, but the carpet liner inside (99% sure), i mean i dont think its hitting the fender inside itself, but it might be. But the left rear is fine, really weird....so..

What can i do about this?....

Cut out the liner inside where the tire is hitting? (jack up car) and then go from there?

Rip out the WHOLE fender liner?

raise my coils a bit in the rear?

suggestions?? thanks azine OH and pics in less than 12 hours cus i just got a SICKK detail done

[Louis J.]

First, figure out exactly where it's rubbing. If you can't see any marks on the fender, take the wheel off and look for marks on the liner. If it's the liner, you might be able to take a heat gun to it and push-mold teh liner outward.

[INTEGRATION]

I say raise the rear a bit. Theoretically with a slightly higher rear the car will "handle-better" also.

[Kemiksiz]

I had the same issue, and it has been fixed now.. Make an allingment, my left camber was -1.14 and the rigght was -1.56 . And also my left tyre was positioned the front a little inside into the fender.. So after we fixed those, the rubbing disappeared.. I hope I could explain it.. I'm not sure if i could or not :)

[leozip]

I have the same wheels setup and I even use a 10mm spacer on the rear. the rubbing is coming from the liner, just cut it on both sides and you'll be all good. You don't need to cut the whole thing, just on top close to the edge for about 3-4 inches wide and 9 inches long. That will do the job for you.

[jojogoya88]

I have the same wheels setup and I even use a 10mm spacer on the rear. the rubbing is coming from the liner, just cut it on both sides and you'll be all good. You don't need to cut the whole thing, just on top close to the edge for about 3-4 inches wide and 9 inches long. That will do the job for you.


WOW a 10mm spacer, i have 8mm sitting in garage and i thought theres NO WAY in hell they could fit under the fender....il try that i guess sometime.

question, with your CK's, when you didnt have spacers on them, did you run the stock audi lug bolts with them? I was told they are equivalent to the same specs as the audi wheels. SAying this because i notice a bit on wheel noise (along with bfg kdws) when the car is gliding, steering feels great though.

[ed@mtl]

Happen to me. What's the offset of the BBS and what tire size do you have?

I was running my BBS CH, 35mm offset with 245/35/19 and I rubbed in the rear. Did everything I could. Didn't want to adjust the camber to make them fit. So, I sold the 245 and got some 235 instead. No more rubbing.

[jojogoya88]

UPDATE:

Me and a friend realized today that the rear wheels, when you look at them from the behind on the car, looking straight down the side of the car, the RIGHT REAR tire pops out more than the LEFT REAR. so the right rear setup is pushed out further, thus more likely to rub than left rear. What is causing the problem here? Lug bolts not put on all the way? lol HELP

So i guess this is why im rubbing in the RIGHT rear, right? If so what can i do about this.

[ed@mtl]

Did you do a wheel alignment when you did your suspensions? Take off the wheel and put it back on but I don't think that's the issue.

[Auditude2.0T]

that is weird. was your car at the SI meet yesterday? I saw a black Ti package car with a cf hood. It was hott. I had my dad's RS4 so the A4 was at home.

[jojogoya88]

Did you do a wheel alignment when you did your suspensions? Take off the wheel and put it back on but I don't think that's the issue.

i did get an alignment, but that was done many months ago with my old wheel setup. Maybe time for another one?


that is weird. was your car at the SI meet yesterday? I saw a black Ti package car with a cf hood. It was hott. I had my dad's RS4 so the A4 was at home..

Yeah that was me...

[ed@mtl]

No, you shouldn't need another one. Just take if off and put back or for the heck of it, put it on the left side and see if there's any issue. Might as well test the right side with the wheel that's on the left as well.

[Dub2]

pics?

[jojogoya88]

Update: Took off wheel and placed back on, still same problem.

The rear right tire is rubbing and getting all cut up, im getting really pissed now.
When i got my special alignment after suspension was installed, i had my stock wheels on, which were 7'' wide. Now the BBS are 8.5" wide, could this be the problem? I cut out some of the inner liner to prevent rubbing because the tire is really taking a beating. heres some pics...look at where the tire meets the fender comarping the left side and right side...
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/jojogoya88/IMG00080.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/jojogoya88/IMG00079.jpg

now for the pics of the rubbing...
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/jojogoya88/IMG00078.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/jojogoya88/IMG00077.jpg

[marty was here]

jo did u stick around during the si meet?

ps i think i shook ur hand

[jojogoya88]

jo did u stick around during the si meet?

ps i think i shook ur hand

haha yeah u did, umm for a bit, my freinds wanted to leave so i left about 15 min after cops showed up...

[Blake P]

With that tire damage, I'd say it's definitely rubbing the fender... not the liner. You need to have your fenders rolled nice and tight ASAP.

[ed@mtl]

There's isn't much or nothing to roll in the rear fender.

[lowandslow]

I reached inside the fender of a B7 avant at the dealership yesterday... The read fender comes staright down and is a rolled seam. There is NOTHING there to roll under to give more clearance.

[Sharkfin]

damn how low are your coils?

[John1.8T]

I cute my fender liner where my tire was rubbing and i also rolled the inside of the fender in.

There is room, you just have to make it. You can roll the inside of the fender a bit and get a little more clearance. I would recommend getting your car corner balanced with an aggressive street alignment. This will add a bit more neg. camber in the back and you will not rub anymore. Also, your car will feel like a go kart. It handles SO much better.

You've got balls rollin' around on summer tires on the east coast in these temps...

[Blake P]

There's isn't much or nothing to roll in the rear fender.

All it takes is a couple mm of rolling, a couple mm of pulling and the rubbing will be eliminated. As previously stated, an aggressive alignment will also work wonders.

[d. wig]

wow.. 666 views for this thread.. just thought i would post that.. [:D]

[jojogoya88]

Yeah well...heres the thing(s)

I would like to get an aggresive street alignment and corner balanced but..
1. Doesnt that put more wear on the tires? i mean i need them to last me till early-mid summer time.
2. How much does it cost roughly
3. have to find a place to do this (no problem)

Maybe i can just raise my coils in the rear a tiny bit and get an alignment?

And because the right rear tire is getting rubbed, and the front right is a tiny bit i should move those rims in the back/front??

Help me guys im buggin

[John1.8T]

yes it will put a bit more wear on the tires but not enough to make it really significant.

i put 10,000 miles on my BFG's (same tires you have) in 3 months last summer. They still have about 60% tread left and I put about 15,000 miles on them total.

[Sharkfin]

what kind of alignment is this, i would like to have my dealership do this to my ride, i have 18's fyi

[kristokes]

i dont get it though. im much lower than you and i've never rubbed on these wheels. good luck with it though.

tuckin and no rubbin: [it must be tha suspension]
http://a936.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/l_4a5774a055d79596d5145d0dbe4decdf.jpg

[OutkastSL]

it's gotta be the alignment. i'm running bfg kdw/ta2's 265/30/19 on my 19x10 rears. when i didnt get my aggressive alignment, i was rubbing on the rear bumper near where it meets the rear quarter panel. after my alignment and setting up at 1.7 degree camber in the rear. with 10,000 miles, i have no noticeable camber wear when i flipped the tires the other week. good luck

[Sanjman]

c'mon jojo... i love hearing new problems as i'm getting shit tired hearing about torn DVs, PCVs and "godlike" cars. any updates? have you swapped the rims yet?

[ed@mtl]

All it takes is a couple mm of rolling, a couple mm of pulling and the rubbing will be eliminated. As previously stated, an aggressive alignment will also work wonders.

I don't know about you but I've checked the rear fender when I was having rubbing issue. There's really nothing to roll unless you mean pulling the fender out making it wider which is totally different.

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

Are your spacers still in ????

Cuz this does not rub

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/Victor_Carruyo/P1090850.jpg

[dobos100]

Have the same issue left rear sticks out more than the right size, had an alignment done twice, improved a little but still rubs on left side, its driving me nuts. Let me know if anyone has a solution besides aggressive camber.

[Blake P]

The other option that I don't think has been mentioned here would be to get a set of tires that is cut thinner and/or has more rounded sidewalls. Falken and Toyo are two of the more common brands of tires used to avoid rubbing issues. For example, I was running Falken Ziex Ze 512's with no rubbing, then switched to BFG KDW2's and had a little rubbing, then PZero Nero M+S and had major rubbing to the point where I had to do some rolling, shaving, and cut the fender liner. My next set of tires will either be Falken or Toyo so I don't have to deal with rubbing anymore.

[jojogoya88]

I finally see exactly whats going on, a freind of mine who races in india was showing me what was going on. The camber is fuked up, the rear right tire is instead curved inwards, its curved outwards, and the rear left tire is curved to much inwards. Its something up with the suspension and alignment. If you were to run a piece of thin rope/thread along rear right tire to front right tire, it wouldnt look right. plus, when the rear bumper meets the rear panel, (lets see if i can explain this), where they meet, basically where you can starts to seperate them.....Whenever i hit a deep enough bump, im thinking its rubbing BUT ITS NOT, my tire is scraping against inbetween where they meet, eventually cutting a fine line(s) around my tire.

So i called up this well known place today, and made an appt for aggreive street alignment and MAYBE a corner balance. That will, and hopefully will solve my problem and be on my merry way...

[jojogoya88]

I brought my car to this place today to get aligned, they put it on that laser machine to measure my camber, toe, etc.

He showed me on the screen that my camber was fine (-1.4 L, -1.0 R) but it was my toe that was all messed up. He said the way my car is right now, is okay but i will be messing up my tires a whole lot. He said if he aligned my car it would help the situation but not alot. So i didnt get aligned and decided to bring my car to my suspension shop, and have my car raised a bit in the rear, and maybe the front...although i DONT WANT TO DO THIS, i feel like i have to.

I was thinking about taking a rubber mallet and pounding out that place where the rear bumper and fender meet behind the rear right wheel.

I mean why is it that im the only one having a problem with this and other people who have this setup dont? Is it my shitty tein basic suspension?

please help before i spend 300 on adjusting suspension and alignment....

[Blake P]

I brought my car to this place today to get aligned, they put it on that laser machine to measure my camber, toe, etc.

He showed me on the screen that my camber was fine (-1.4 L, -1.0 R) but it was my toe that was all messed up. He said the way my car is right now, is okay but i will be messing up my tires a whole lot. He said if he aligned my car it would help the situation but not alot. So i didnt get aligned and decided to bring my car to my suspension shop, and have my car raised a bit in the rear, and maybe the front...although i DONT WANT TO DO THIS, i feel like i have to.

I was thinking about taking a rubber mallet and pounding out that place where the rear bumper and fender meet behind the rear right wheel.

I mean why is it that im the only one having a problem with this and other people who have this setup dont? Is it my shitty tein basic suspension?

please help before i spend 300 on adjusting suspension and alignment....

What more help can anyone give you? Based on your response, your right camber is less than your left, which means the tire is closer to the fender. You also say the toe is messed up. YOU NEED AN ALIGNMENT!

[jojogoya88]

But this goddamn goodyear place was telling me that an alignment is only going to help it a bit, not cure the problem. They said i need to change up my suspension and then align....


AHHHHh fuck fuckfuckfuckckckckck

[nadroj81]

stop being cheap and get what needs to be done. you just keep complaining when the problems have been explained to you multiple times. Not to mention problems with everything else regarding your car and tickets.

[TSlice]

I'd find a different shop.

[4ringsinLA]

I was thinking the same thing as HID...

[kristokes]

stop being cheap and get what needs to be done. you just keep complaining when the problems have been explained to you multiple times. Not to mention problems with everything else regarding your car and tickets.

relax! he's jus a kid tryin to see wha other options he has before he has to spend tha $$. i'd be tha same way.

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

I was thinking the same thing as HID...

Finally someone got the hint

[leozip]

It's very odd that you are rubbing with this setup... I have the same size and I added a H&R 10mm spacer on the rear with no rubbing. It's got to be your suspension that is causing the problem.

Does it happen on both sides? Or just driver's?

[John1.8T]

Go and get an aggressive street alignment. You need to run negative camber to pull off wheels that are 2" bigger and have an aggressive offset compared to stock. These cars were not designed to run these wheels so we need to compensate.

[jojogoya88]

Alignment fixed it, revised camber and toe, toe was wayyyy off.

[tomasmdiego]

all good now?

[jojogoya88]

yup feels awesome.

[Nico]

Alignment fixed it, revised camber and toe, toe was wayyyy off.

I'm confused. You said you already had it aligned. why did it make a difference this time?