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fred2ka4
12-21-2007, 12:48 PM
You all know about the Racetec 4 pt brace I have on my car and for those that do not, well here it is. I have received many positive comments on this brace as well as many offers to buy it (sorry it's not for sale ....[:(]) but you might be able to get one of your own.

I talked to Russel of Racetec and he said he might be willing to make this bar again for a one time production run. For those of you who may or may not know this bar has been discontinued for a while now and is no longer available accept if you can find one used.

For those that are interested he said he would make the bar out of aluminum this time for weight purposes. So let me know what you think and remember this is not a GB or a feeler for a GB, but a general interest to see if you would like this brace to be produced.

Thanks,

- Fred


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tamadrumr88
12-21-2007, 01:00 PM
i am definitely in... pm me to let me know how much and who to send the money to [:D][:D]

Calabria
12-21-2007, 01:34 PM
well, how does it effect our cars, being in all we have a double firewall? it looks good, but im guessing its going to be over $400 for this piece and might not be worth it...

jasonpickett
12-21-2007, 02:56 PM
I might be in it all depens on the price.

SilverB5A4
12-21-2007, 04:09 PM
Depending on price range, but it definitely would be awesome out of aluminium. Quality lookin part, Id run it.

fred2ka4
12-21-2007, 09:33 PM
well, how does it effect our cars, being in all we have a double firewall? it looks good, but im guessing its going to be over $400 for this piece and might not be worth it...

The double fire wall offers little chassis stiffness. This bar really helps out a lot as it ties the front end together and gives a good responsive feel to the car.

If you are in need of other suspension work, this is by no means a major focal piece but it will definitely compliment a well tuned suspension. I noticed a marked improvement in the response and handling of my car.

Squarrl
12-21-2007, 10:26 PM
how much are they going to be though?

onemoremile
12-22-2007, 07:09 AM
I'm interested.

The front firewall is not a stressed member. Mount up a set of Hoosier's and go autocrossing and it will probably crack apart. There were pictures on aw a few years back.

fred2ka4
12-22-2007, 07:10 AM
how much are they going to be though?

I do not know as this is just a thread to see if there would be enough interest generated to justify doing a limited production run.

When the braces were available on SPP's website a few years ago they were listed some where between $299-$349 and that was when the bar was made out of tubular steel. The brace will not cost more but this time it will be made of aluminum so it will offer the same stiffness but at a lighter weight.

onemoremile
12-22-2007, 07:48 AM
Could be both stiffer and stronger depending on wall thickness. Aluminum likes larger diameter with thinner walls than mos steels like cromoly. Mountain bike frames are a perfect example. It can still be made exactly as before with the same size tubes and still be half the weight of the steel one.

Be sure to add wedge gussets to the rear mounting cups. The fronts are triangulated but the rears are unsupported. Aluminum doesn't flex like steel so that is a potential cracking point. A triangular blade gusset underneath would do the trick. PM me if you guys want any help with this. Got some experience with aluminum mountain bike design.

I did the Slingshot Ripper.
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D's Avant
12-22-2007, 07:51 AM
I would take one too... Polished aluminum would look awesome!!! I had one on my 83 GTI and 90 GLI a long (20yrs ago) while back, made a huge difference. Granted that MkI GTI was not a real stiff car, fun though!!!

pfa65
12-22-2007, 07:55 AM
very very interested!

Durkin
12-23-2007, 01:39 AM
I'm also interested.

xr4tic
12-23-2007, 09:54 AM
oh wow, I didn't know they were discontinued. I've got one collecting dust somewhere.

Would they fix the rubbing issue? Quite a few people have had the hood rub on the bar.

mike-2ptzero
12-23-2007, 10:17 AM
oh wow, I didn't know they were discontinued. I've got one collecting dust somewhere.

Would they fix the rubbing issue? Quite a few people have had the hood rub on the bar.

Fred fixed that issue on his by using some pads. They might be able to fix this on the new bar by using a square tubes where the old one rubs, but I think the problem is that there just isn't much room to get the tubes any lower.

LowSantorin
12-23-2007, 10:49 AM
interested! also curios about price and quantity that would be available

fred2ka4
12-23-2007, 11:48 AM
oh wow, I didn't know they were discontinued. I've got one collecting dust somewhere.

Would they fix the rubbing issue? Quite a few people have had the hood rub on the bar.

Here is the solution that I came up with but I am sure there are other ways aound the problem.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174855

sushi_turbo
01-07-2008, 12:50 PM
I love my Racetec tower strut brace, fortunately one popped up on eBay and I was able to snatch it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/sushi_turbo/My%20Audi%2013/jasona4_2100.jpg

King18TQuattro
01-07-2008, 06:30 PM
very interested

audiFUEGO
01-07-2008, 08:02 PM
wasnt there a thread about an ebay strut bar for 20$? what happened with that?

will a strut bar increase understeer? help steering response? help creaking with flex?

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
01-07-2008, 09:09 PM
Everyone is always interested until its time to buy...
Not saying some of you wont buy but majority of threads like these end horribly...

solowb5
01-07-2008, 09:40 PM
No everyone is interetsed untill they see an over priced item is all. With that said I'll answer the real question at hand of who is interetsed. I am! You can't expect someone to commit to buying something w/o a price. That is pure ignorance.

B5 SLPR
01-07-2008, 09:47 PM
If its reasonably priced I would love to have one.

mike-2ptzero
01-08-2008, 06:49 AM
No everyone is interetsed untill they see an over priced item is all. With that said I'll answer the real question at hand of who is interetsed. I am! You can't expect someone to commit to buying something w/o a price. That is pure ignorance.


The thing is that they haven't set a price because the owner of Racetec hasn't committed to making this yet but I will see if I can talk to him into it.


BTW PM me on this account, I have a nice little site to show you. [:D]

goody6691
01-08-2008, 01:39 PM
i want......in polished

King18TQuattro
01-22-2008, 05:57 AM
any updates?

m5racer
01-22-2008, 06:46 AM
im in also but a price would be great

King18TQuattro
01-22-2008, 06:21 PM
Mike-

Have you talked to the owner lately?

iin10ded
01-22-2008, 06:42 PM
interested.

Durkin
01-30-2008, 10:38 PM
Any updates?

fred2ka4
01-30-2008, 10:57 PM
The owner of Racetec just has to find the time to do a one time production run which he said won't be until the summer. But as long as the interest keeps coming in, that could change to a sooner date.

Right now he is currently working on B7 and A3, as well as other Audi FMIC kits and says that more than keeps him busy.

GetBoosted84
03-21-2008, 05:42 PM
One question... how much?

Tiluleshpingen
03-21-2008, 06:33 PM
price is a factor!!

audiness
03-21-2008, 08:17 PM
i've always liked the design, I'd be nice to have one for the rear too

DND
03-24-2008, 12:49 PM
I would like one.
Knowing the price and an availability date sooner than "summer" would help.

esss_pho
03-24-2008, 02:15 PM
would it be beneficial to s4's?

D's Avant
03-24-2008, 03:04 PM
i've always liked the design, I'd be nice to have one for the rear too

From what I understand 2001+ S4's have a bar already built in. (I think I saw this in an Audi World B5 FAQ) Fits just in front of the battery and connects to the front shock towers. This Racetec 4pt brace would be a little stronger in my opinion.

fred2ka4
03-24-2008, 03:44 PM
You guys have to remember that this is just to see if there would be any interest. The owner of Racetec does not really want to make these again but after talking with him he said he MIGHT be willing to do a one time production run.

previously they sold for about $379 when they were offered through SPP but that was for a tubular steel one and this time around they will be made of aluminum. When he made them back then he did a one time production run of about 250 units and they all sold.

This time the production run will be a lot smaller so I know they will all sell. So if you are interested post up, and if not then don't worry about it because when this does happen they will all be gone.

audiness
04-04-2008, 08:02 PM
From what I understand 2001+ S4's have a bar already built in. (I think I saw this in an Audi World B5 FAQ) Fits just in front of the battery and connects to the front shock towers. This Racetec 4pt brace would be a little stronger in my opinion.

yes the 2001 with celebration package has a factor stabilizer bar. My car has one.

beejohn
04-04-2008, 11:07 PM
if it will fit an 01, make it

Eurotuned_A4
04-04-2008, 11:26 PM
i would be interested...however i have thought about just picking up the one from lltek, i dont think its 4 point though.

DND
04-11-2008, 03:31 PM
I want one.
If they get made, would they cost more or less than the old steel ones and would they be the same strength in aluminum?

DND
04-22-2008, 08:24 PM
Would it be possible to get the drawing/print/schematic (or whatever you want to call it) for how to make these?
My brother can do them in steal cheap if I can get him detailed measurements.

ModifiedA4
04-23-2008, 06:42 AM
aluminum = SKIP

imho.

its not "strength" that determines the usefulness of the strut bar, its the "stiffness".

i.e. how much it deflects under load.

modulus of steel: 200GPa
modulus of al: 72Gpa

steel is ~3x stiffer than al, all else being equal.

of course Al is better than nothing [:D] so if you dont have a strut bar, i recommend getting one.

Militant-Grunt
04-23-2008, 09:27 AM
What I am wondering about is weather the front strut actually increases under steer since you're basically stiffening the front of the car. Otherwise id be interested as well.

ModifiedA4
04-23-2008, 10:23 AM
What I am wondering about is weather the front strut actually increases under steer since you're basically stiffening the front of the car. Otherwise id be interested as well.

in my experience, turn in was improved around tight corners at speed. response was also quicker/crisper.

Kyle H
04-23-2008, 11:05 AM
I'd be looking to buy at the end of this year. [:)] [up]

pinky
04-23-2008, 02:35 PM
What I am wondering about is weather the front strut actually increases under steer since you're basically stiffening the front of the car. Otherwise id be interested as well.

i dont see it having a drastic effect on understeer.. slight, maybe.. but stiffening the chassis is more beneficial in the fact that it will handle more consistently. also, as mentioned, turn in/response should theoretically be better because there is less flex when the suspension is loading.