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jaredpgh
11-06-2007, 11:10 AM
Are the swaybar endlinks on my 99.5 B5 1.8t the same as a similarly equipped Passat? I'm asking because I live two miles from a VW dealer and about 20 from an Audi dealer.

jrodmk2
11-06-2007, 03:12 PM
order them from ecs and save some money.

pinky
11-06-2007, 03:14 PM
i have a pair that i ordered awhile back. i'm going to be buying a control arm kit that, i think, has these included..

so if you want them i can sell the pair i have cheap

shoot me a PM if you're interested..

also, do the ones you have use a nut and bolt, or is there a stud on the endlink with a nut? if you have the latter, you'll need the hardware too (which i can get)

onemoremile
11-06-2007, 03:44 PM
Front or rear? Rears should be replaced with metal ones, fronts should be replaced with aftermarket Subaru rear links like the ones from Perrin.

quattroism25
11-06-2007, 06:51 PM
Has anyone here actually tried the subaru links? I'm leaning towards getting them but I don't know from what year wrx.

I'm talking about these...

http://www.audiworld.com/tech/wheel42.shtml

ActiveMonkey
11-06-2007, 07:14 PM
Here's the link

http://www.perrinperformance.com/products/show/267/Endlinks-Rear?category=8&model=18

ILoveT
11-06-2007, 07:15 PM
^

Front or rear? Rears should be replaced with metal ones, fronts should be replaced with aftermarket Subaru rear links like the ones from Perrin.

Lol

That was directed at Quattroism

Revolution02
11-06-2007, 07:30 PM
This is what I love about Audizine. You learn something new everyday. Now I have another project to add on to my laundry list of to do's.

quattroism25
11-06-2007, 08:11 PM
thanks for the link

fred2ka4
11-06-2007, 08:44 PM
This will also be added to my list of things to do, well half of it. I already have the rear metal end links from ECS Tuning.

onemoremile
11-07-2007, 09:23 AM
If you do some cursory searching you'll find better links than the Perrins.

Kyle H
11-07-2007, 07:31 PM
I found Whiteline, Kartboy, Cobb, Hotchkis, Helix, and Agency Power.

From what I've read, it looks like Whiteline is the way to go. What would you say?

onemoremile
11-07-2007, 08:32 PM
Agency Power.

http://www.agency-power.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/58_60/products_id/113

http://www.agency-power.com/catalog/images/wrxendlink3a.jpg

vietxnam
11-07-2007, 08:41 PM
i think there having a sale on perrin ones http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/32008

fred2ka4
03-12-2008, 01:25 PM
Agency Power.

http://www.agency-power.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/58_60/products_id/113

http://www.agency-power.com/catalog/images/wrxendlink3a.jpg

Why do you think these are better than the Perrins?

onemoremile
03-12-2008, 01:54 PM
The Subey guys said so. And they're red. Red is my favorite color.

fred2ka4
03-12-2008, 02:06 PM
The Subey guys said so. And they're red. Red is my favorite color.

I was just asking because I don't know the difference between either. I also like the red because it would go well with my front brakes ............. even though you wouldn't see them [rolleyes] [:D]

onemoremile
03-12-2008, 04:28 PM
You could probably just go with whichever is cheaper or on sale. They are bound to be better and longer lasting than the stockers.

There was a reason the Agency Power links were better than the Perrins but I can't remember it offhand. Seems like they had stronger balls mounted better or something.

fred2ka4
03-12-2008, 04:55 PM
You could probably just go with whichever is cheaper or on sale. They are bound to be better and longer lasting than the stockers.

There was a reason the Agency Power links were better than the Perrins but I can't remember it offhand. Seems like they had stronger balls mounted better or something.


When I clicked on the above link to the AP website, they claim they are better than the competition and I'm guessing they are comparing themselves to the Perrins.

Here is what I found on one of my ebay searches.


Perrins
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220131029505&_trksid=p3984.cWAT.m240.lVI


AP
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130204930292&_trksid=p3984.cWAT.m240.lVI


The Perrins could be cheaper with the "make offer" option, but the AP one is cheaper and includes shipping. The AP unit also looks to include the bolts but I am not sure if the thread pitch is the same as an Audi.

onemoremile
03-12-2008, 05:44 PM
The Perrins include hardware and the poly cushions although I don't know if either of those things can be used on a B5. Sounds like a coin flip to me.

Kyle H
03-12-2008, 05:57 PM
I got the AP racing endlinks, I love them (they look cool) but they're rusting [:(].

fred2ka4
03-12-2008, 06:11 PM
I got the AP racing endlinks, I love them (they look cool) but they're rusting [:(].

Do you have pictures of them installed?

fred2ka4
03-12-2008, 06:12 PM
The Perrins include hardware and the poly cushions although I don't know if either of those things can be used on a B5. Sounds like a coin flip to me.

On the link above, where this was done in the tech section of AudiWorld, it doesn't look like any of the poly inserts were used. I don't know ab out the hardware.

fred2ka4
03-12-2008, 09:53 PM
These ones don't look bad either.


Whiteline
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Whiteline-Heavy-Duty-Rear-Endlinks-Subaru-WRX-02_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247Q QcategoryZ33592QQihZ001QQitemZ110110160946QQrdZ1QQ sspagenameZWD1V

fred2ka4
03-12-2008, 09:58 PM
Or these. The Kartboy end links say that they are slightly smaller in overall diameter so they might be closer to the actual size of the OEM end link.

Both the Kartboy and Whiteline end links have polyurethane bushings built in so this could be an added bonus. The Perrins only comes with 4 while the AP does not come with any.

I think onemoremile summed it up best as they all look like solid units and you could probably flip a coin and go with whichever one you like the best.


Kartboy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kartboy-Solid-Endlinks-Droplinks-for-02-Subaru-WRX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 QQcategoryZ33592QQihZ008QQitemZ180145263942QQrdZ1Q QsspagenameZWD1V

fred2ka4
03-12-2008, 10:13 PM
I got the AP racing endlinks, I love them (they look cool) but they're rusting [:(].

I think the AP ones look the best, but i don't know if I like the rusting issue. Have any of the WRX guys expressed this issue as well?

LowSantorin
03-13-2008, 12:48 AM
wouldnt this contribute to more understeer? i thought stiffening the front sway bar would contribute to understeer? or am i misunderstanding something?

grip_racer
03-13-2008, 12:56 AM
it doesnt actually increase bar stiffness, it just ups the steering response by eliminating soft-stock-broken-shit-rubber links.

maybe it would increase understeer by a few percent? but im sure the response and feel outweighs it.

LowSantorin
03-13-2008, 01:31 AM
^ makes sense now. I was looking at it as bar stiffening when i guess it would be to tighten response.

Kyle H
03-13-2008, 12:13 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/DSC_1603.jpg

This is the best picture I have of them right now. I'll get some more when I get home. It's not the actual endlinks that is rusting, it's the hardware.

fred2ka4
03-13-2008, 01:03 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/DSC_1603.jpg

This is the best picture I have of them right now. I'll get some more when I get home. It's not the actual endlinks that is rusting, it's the hardware.

The hardware connecting the endlinks to the control arm/sway bar, or the hardware inside the endlink?

Kyle H
03-13-2008, 01:52 PM
The hardware connecting it to the swaybar and LCA. Just the bolt and the little metal spacers.The actual endlink is still solid.

onemoremile
03-13-2008, 01:59 PM
It's not the actual endlinks that is rusting, it's the hardware.

Do you know what size the hardware is? McMaster carries some great stainless hardware that would fix that problem.

Those black socket head cap screws look like black oxide coated steel which will definitely rust.

Kyle H
03-13-2008, 03:07 PM
I'm not sure what size they are. It doesn't worry me too much, I think when I finally get some h-sports I'll upgrade the hardware to ss pieces.


Here are pics from just about every angle of the endlinks [:)]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/2.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/3.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/4.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r261/snowmanhitman/5.jpg

fred2ka4
03-13-2008, 03:15 PM
Looks good! Did you notices a marked improvement?

Kyle H
03-13-2008, 03:18 PM
Honestly, I didn't notice any difference. I installed them when I still had my stock 15" wheels with the 195/65's, and I have stock swaybars, so the endlinks were far from the weakest link in my suspension. I think you'd notice an improvement with your setup though.

fred2ka4
03-13-2008, 05:22 PM
I have the stock sport sway bar in the front and the the 19mm Neuspeed sway bar w/ the frame support in the rear, but would like to get the H-Sport sway bar kit eventually.

I think this may help a little bit.

Kyle H
03-13-2008, 06:08 PM
Oh I thought you had Neuspeed front and rear bars. Get them anyways, they add some major bling factor [;)]