Going 3071R...

[317ssayzarc]

MY FIRST POST
PLEASE TELL ME IF I POSTED INCORRECTLY


The car: 98' Audi A4 QM (AEB)

The plan: 400awhp or bust

That's the idea guys. So far I have APR Stage 3 on the car so I will be using the manifold, turbo lines and dp from that kit but that's it.

Here's the parts I have...
PAGparts custom 3071R .64AR 3 inch inlet (custom to fit on the APR mani)
PAGparts actuator for custom turbo
Siemens 630cc's flowed/balenced
90mm Ford Lightning MAF
500hp Garrett Core (31x6.5x3)
Walbro 255lph intank
Chris Tapp custom tune
Innovate LM-1

What I still have to order...
Direct port w/m (prob USRT)
Refresh the head and some sort of cams by Bob@QED
Motor rebuild kit w/ rods (QED)

Here's what I haven't decided yet...
Type of cams
Type of EBC
Type of clutch

My first post but I've been reading AZ for a while now [az]

[317ssayzarc]

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Both of my sweethearts, I mean moneypits

[goody6691]

i have a set of cat big turbo cams i will sell you for 300. i can get the specs later today when i get off work. pm for details


dave

[sean1.8t]

wow, at first i thought you were like all the other people on here that post "im getting "this" turbo, what do i need"

but you are definately serious

as far as cams, i know CAT cams have had some problems in the past, so best be would be to talk to Bob Quidanzi when you build your motor. both Greddy and HKS have some good EBC's that have been proven. and i would go Southbend stage 5 clutch.

you say freshen up the head with cams. but have you given any thought to upgrading valve springs and exhaust valves?

[317ssayzarc]

i dont know how to pm on this site... nothing like vortex lol

send me a email [email protected]
send me a vortex pm crazyass713
OR teach me this damn audizine pm

[317ssayzarc]

wow, at first i thought you were like all the other people on here that post "im getting "this" turbo, what do i need"

but you are definately serious

as far as cams, i know CAT cams have had some problems in the past, so best be would be to talk to Bob Quidanzi when you build your motor. both Greddy and HKS have some good EBC's that have been proven. and i would go Southbend stage 5 clutch.

you say freshen up the head with cams. but have you given any thought to upgrading valve springs and exhaust valves?

haha yea i dont mess around with this should i do this or that... i know how to search [up]

i did talk to bob about upgrading springs and i am getting those if i find a cam i like
stuck between the cat 3651, 3652 or 3653's

[sean1.8t]

click on the users name, a drop down menu will appear and choose 'send private message to member".. there you go

[317ssayzarc]

click on the users name, a drop down menu will appear and choose 'send private message to member".. there you go

ahh... mozilla wouldn't let that tab work... gotta use IE for audizine i guess
thank you sir [;)]

[sean1.8t]

you can also just click on the 'Private Messages" link on the top right hand corner. then click on send new message on the left hand column. then you just type in the user's name and what the message is..

so when do you plan on having this done? what software are you thinking about?

[317ssayzarc]

well i work 40hrs a week and go to school 4 nights a week and saturday morning... so it gets done when it gets done, if you know what i mean... i have a chris tapp tune with 93 oct and 105 oct for when i run the direct port w/m

heres a pic of the tapp tune (still in protective wrap until i need it)


http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG0998.jpg

[mike-2ptzero]

PAGparts custom 3071R .64AR 3 inch inlet (custom to fit on the APR mani)


Does this mean your going to use a spacer between the turbo and apr manifold?

[317ssayzarc]

Does this mean your going to use a spacer between the turbo and apr manifold?

no... the way it is custom is the way he did the turbo in a 2871 housing but it still flows like a true 3071r... my pm from arnold on vortex, passatG60: sure, no problem. I can do one that would look identical to the GT2871R and the full sized 60mm turbine'd wheel. :end arnold quote:

btw, you are one of the reasons i bought this a4 and started this project

[mike-2ptzero]

no... the way it is custom is the way he did the turbo in a 2871 housing but it still flows like a true 3071r... my pm from arnold on vortex, passatG60: sure, no problem. I can do one that would look identical to the GT2871R and the full sized 60mm turbine'd wheel. :end arnold quote:

btw, you are one of the reasons i bought this a4 and started this project

Thanks.


I think there was another A4 owner that also did that type of turbo, not sure if hew as able to get 400whp. What was funny though is that he kept trying to claim he only had a GT2871r, but then let it out that he had 30 wheel inside.

[317ssayzarc]

I'm hoping that the direct port w/m will get me there... 400awhp or i guess i'll have to spend more money that i don't have

[AudiA4_20T]

hey man saw your writeup on Vortex... looks like fun

[Beemer832]

PMed you...

josh

[317ssayzarc]

right backatcha [;)]

[salz2135]

this sounds interesting. are you going for 400awhp on pump or race gas?

[317ssayzarc]

pump... and w/m

so not straight pump but i will be able to fill up anywhere i please

93 + w/m = alot cheaper than racegas everyday and i drive 500+ miles weekly

[AudiA4_20T]

honestly if you can do 400whp with a 3071R then I am real excited about my 30R project

[317ssayzarc]

i would be too... i am going to canada to get it custom tuned by tapp

you can throw any combo of parts at anything but its ALL in the tune

i dont expect to hit 400 wheel with a mail order tune on my setup

the w/m is key to my goals... i dont think anyone could hit 400awhp on pump with a hybrid turbo like mine... its not even a true 3071r

[audiness]

cool

[pinky]

doesnt the apr mani have a t25 flange?

[317ssayzarc]

it sure does

[pinky]

personally i would switch out to a t3 flanged manifold if i were going with a 3071, especially if you're considering cams and such for max power...

to each his own i guess.. good luck with your build. i'm sure it will be fun as hell.

[AudiA4_20T]

personally i would switch out to a t3 flanged manifold if i were going with a 3071, especially if you're considering cams and such for max power...

to each his own i guess.. good luck with your build. i'm sure it will be fun as hell.

Theres a guy (18bora on Vortex) who ran a 10.9 with a T25 GT30R setup... I wouldnt be that worried

[pinky]

is that the yellow 20th?

[r0nd3L]

I have one question about the tune, how do you switch between pump and meth files?

[onemoremile]

A small toggle switch mounted in the side of the ECU case switches between programs. I wonder if he would socket that so a switch could be wired in the car. It could be a simple toggle just like Tapp's or wired to the FUNK switch.

[onemoremile]

Toss that belt driven fan and it's pulley in the trash. Pure MS has a shorter belt that skips that pulley. Use a SPAL fan or similar with a temp controller like the one in the link below.

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[mike-2ptzero]

Theres a guy (18bora on Vortex) who ran a 10.9 with a T25 GT30R setup... I wouldnt be that worried

Can you post up a link.

Here is what he has for the ET lists.

2006
[email protected]/1.771/2001 MKIVJetta/1.8t/ 2871turbo+125/3050#/24.5m&h/Sam(18bora)


2007
[email protected]/1.722/2001 Jetta/1.8t/GT2871@40psi/3020#/24.5m&h w/rear skinnies/Sam(18bora)

[317ssayzarc]

sraight from my PM's on vortex... its a custom 30r with hks housing that arnold set up for him so it would work with the APR mani...

:start arnold quote: passatG60: well, not on my end. i think that'll do just fine. btw, a local sam neglected to tell me he just ran a 10.9@129mph the other day :end arnold quote:

[317ssayzarc]

is that the yellow 20th?


no... iirc he has a blue jetta [up]

[317ssayzarc]

no interest i my build up? [=(]


bump to keep it alive [:(]

[Rosati]

Double bump, sweet setup jake you are one of the two known pampered princes w/ a heated garage w/ a lift in it ( ONEMOREMILE !) [:p]


Where exactly are you at now? PM replied

[onemoremile]

Don't look at me dude. I got no heat and no lift. Well, a propane burner and a coupla jack stands. I would love nothing more than a heated 4 car garage with an offset 2 post lift.

[onemoremile]

no interest i my build up? [=(]


bump to keep it alive [:(]

I'm plenty interested. Just wondering where you went...

[317ssayzarc]

im going to half to post a pic at lunchtime (my next chance to post) thats gonna make you guys hate me a lil more... [eek]


the block is totally stripped down and ready for machine work on saturday... btw, in my fucking stupidness, i took off the main caps and i know which order they go bc they are numbered but whcih way do the numers face? towards the IM shaft or towards the other side of the block?

[317ssayzarc]

HOWS THIS ROSATI

AND

ONEMOREMILE???


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[317ssayzarc]

dont get to work these kind of cars daily, but regularly i do... what now? [:p] [:p] [:p] jk (about the what now part, not the ferrari part)

[onemoremile]

Nice.

[317ssayzarc]

Don't look at me dude. I got no heat and no lift. Well, a propane burner and a coupla jack stands. I would love nothing more than a heated 4 car garage with an offset 2 post lift.



thats my dream as well, i would have this thing done by now lol...
the only resaon im taking my time is that the next time i can get the lift is febuary break [headbang]

[Rosati]

What was that pic you posted of the avant on a ramp was it? in a garage w/ the Bikes on the wall, etc..... It was when your BBS' were still silver.....

Nice 317 Just the honor to work on a ferarri must be amazing

[317ssayzarc]

i also detail on the side... i want to keep this thread on subject so check out this link http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3534655 and pm me if youd like to see more... thanks for the compliments fellas [az]

[onemoremile]

What was that pic you posted of the avant on a ramp was it? in a garage w/ the Bikes on the wall, etc..... It was when your BBS' were still silver.....

Nice 317 Just the honor to work on a ferarri must be amazing

That is the shop located on the grounds at Gingerman Raceway. They balanced my coilovers.

[317ssayzarc]

well some bad news today...
I was planning on throwing in scat rods and keeping the AEB pistions... Today when I started measuring the block to skirt clearence, i got about .004" which is out of spec by quite a bit... I am almost certain that this motor has been taken apart and heres why... (this motor has 126K on it) NO taper at all in the cylinders, cross hatching was perfect and i mean perfect, rod and main bearings were brand new looking, and lastly, the the oil pan had no thin film of sediment on it like every other motor I have ever taken apart...

So the question is, which brand and size and compression of pistions would YOU run... Also please offer me any first hand experience that you have had with over sized pistions... Good or bad... You can post up about things you've "heard" from a "friend" but Id really rather have first hand encounters as there is too much bull**** floating around... I appreciate your help guys

-Jake

[xr4tic]

what is spec?

You think it was bore/honed and stock pistons reused or something?

I put JE pistons in my ABA 20v build, cost was $540 (6 years ago though) through JRC Motorsports, they had no problems specing them out for what I needed. I told them bore size, aba crank/rods, 20v head, and CR, they did the rest. I dropped compression to 9.0:1, I think stock was 9.5:1?

If you're going through the hassle of new pistons, at the very least bore it out
to 82.5mm, but also seriously consider a 2.0 crank. Now is the time to do it, if you want to do it later, it means new pistons (again)

[317ssayzarc]

it must have been rehoned bc there is no way the bore wore .002 evenly top to bottom... also shouldve mentioned no ridge at the end of piston travel at the top... somethings definetly up... i would like to stroke it but idk if the extra piston speed will hurt it... i plan on running the motor to the 7600rpm redline written in the Tapp software

[317ssayzarc]

will all aba cranks work or just obd 1? its an AEB block btw...

[a220vt]

Any ABA crank will work, but the OBD I cranks are forged.

[317ssayzarc]

Any ABA crank will work, but the OBD I cranks are forged.


how about AEG? the 058 blocks differ from the 06A blocks so I dont know what applies still as far as the vw guys info... lots of stuff about doing it on AWD, AWW and AWP engines but not the external water pump engines...

would the ABA crank clear the block and IM shaft?

thanks for the replies guy, i truely i appreciate it... kinda stressed right now [headbang]

[mike-2ptzero]

... i would like to stroke it but idk if the extra piston speed will hurt it... i plan on running the motor to the 7600rpm redline written in the Tapp software

Now why in the world would you think it would limit how far you could rev it if you went with the 2 liter crank? I am running 83.5 bore with a ABA crank and rev the hell out of my car ever time I race it at the track, this means running it to 8k+ in nearly ever gear.


In case you haven't seen them before here are a few rpm logs of mine from the track.

http://www.centralvalleyspeed.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10093/10.82_rpm_shift_point_log.jpg

http://www.centralvalleyspeed.com/photogallery/albums/userpics/10093/rpm_shift_points_on_134mph_run.jpg

[pac1085]

how about AEG? the 058 blocks differ from the 06A blocks so I dont know what applies still as far as the vw guys info... lots of stuff about doing it on AWD, AWW and AWP engines but not the external water pump engines...

would the ABA crank clear the block and IM shaft?

thanks for the replies guy, i truely i appreciate it... kinda stressed right now [headbang]

Your IM shaft has to be machined and I believe a very small amount needs to be removed from the block in certain places. It's a very small amount of work though, your machine shop wouldn't even think twice about it. You can pick up a forged OBD-I aba crank for around 100 bucks.

[xr4tic]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105602

Must read post if you want to go 2.0 :)

[317ssayzarc]

thanks for all the replies guys...

been talking with issam and paul about this

read pauls thread yesterday and found it quite helpful

and mike, are you an AEB block and if not which are you?

[onemoremile]

Anyone have a rough estimate of how much more it costs to go 2.2 as opposed to 2.0? Issam or Paul?

Additional displacement means the engine doesn't have to spin as fast to move the same amount of air so a bit lower rev limit isn't a big deal.

[mike-2ptzero]

thanks for all the replies guys...

been talking with issam and paul about this

read pauls thread yesterday and found it quite helpful

and mike, are you an AEB block and if not which are you?

I have a ATW block.


Anyone have a rough estimate of how much more it costs to go 2.2 as opposed to 2.0? Issam or Paul?

Additional displacement means the engine doesn't have to spin as fast to move the same amount of air so a bit lower rev limit isn't a big deal.


Cost is going to be higher since you have to buy a 2 liter block and then upgrade to a 95mm stroke crank. It still isn't a full 2 liter since IIRC it is under 2150cc.

Yes that is correct about the displacement, but the question is that does .1-.15 liter more displacment better then being able to rev it another 1,000-1500 rpms. I guess it all depends on what your using the car for, for me I would take the higher revs for drag racing. I guess thats exactly how the EVO guys see it since they tend to stay at 2 liter to run up to 11k rpms vs going to 2.3-2.4 liter and a much lower rev limiter.

[onemoremile]

The STi guys are split into two camps too. Some go with a 2.8 Crawford block while other go with a JDM 2.2 that can rev like mad. V-Max versus CBR.

The only added advantage to keeping the revs down is the lowered stress on the rods and valvetrain. The water pump, PS pump, and oil pump also do some strange things if spun too fast.

[317ssayzarc]

mike the ATW is an 058 block or 06A? i thinks its internal water pump right? would that make any differences as far as the block spec's? did you have to shave the block at all?

[pac1085]

mike the ATW is an 058 block or 06A? i thinks its internal water pump right? would that make any differences as far as the block spec's? did you have to shave the block at all?

AEB & ATW are the same (058) external water pump block. ATW just has a different head and associated components.

[AudiA4_20T]

I have a ATW block.




Cost is going to be higher since you have to buy a 2 liter block and then upgrade to a 95mm stroke crank. It still isn't a full 2 liter since IIRC it is under 2150cc.

Yes that is correct about the displacement, but the question is that does .1-.15 liter more displacment better then being able to rev it another 1,000-1500 rpms. I guess it all depends on what your using the car for, for me I would take the higher revs for drag racing. I guess thats exactly how the EVO guys see it since they tend to stay at 2 liter to run up to 11k rpms vs going to 2.3-2.4 liter and a much lower rev limiter.

*sigh* 11,000 would be so fun

[317ssayzarc]

*sigh* 11,000 would be so fun


then id run this man eating machine lol



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[onemoremile]

*sigh* 11,000 would be so fun

If you're spinning to 11 grand then everything under 6000 is going to be pretty weak.

[mike-2ptzero]

If you're spinning to 11 grand then everything under 6000 is going to be pretty weak.

Yeah but anyone running to 11k rpms with a turbo setup is only going to be below 6k rpms if they aren't trying to use any of the power. This is just like saying the K03 is weak above 5500 or the K04 is weak above 6k or the BT setups are weak below 3k. Every setup is going to have their "power band sweet spot" which tends to be about 4k rpms long.

[317ssayzarc]

i wish i could have my sweet spot at 4k... haha

thats just a distant dream

[Rosati]

11k is FD Rx7 Territory

No one can touch them


(when rebuilt and strengthened that is.......cough cough)

[mike-2ptzero]

11k is FD Rx7 Territory

No one can touch them


(when rebuilt and strengthened that is.......cough cough)

There are evo's running to 11k rpms that are making well over 1000whp.[:p]

[317ssayzarc]

just raped my bank account today... (this project has been making me do that fairly frequently)

- 83mm wisecos with skirt coating, upgraded wrist pins and upgraded compression rings

- pauter rods with EDM hole option

all courtesy of arnold

[317ssayzarc]

also picked up street density motor and tranny mounts, plus snub mount with bracket...

and some misc hardware (studs, tabs, nuts, ect.)

all courtesy of the great wizard [up]

[a220vt]

Which crank did you decide to use?

[317ssayzarc]

still looking for a fucking obd-1 aba crank... had 3 sellers go thru even though i was willing to pay asking price and siad i could paypal within 24 hrs... i dont get it, ive bought over 7 grand of stuff thru vortex over the last couple months and every transaction made i had nothing but positive feedback [mad]

[pac1085]

car-part.com

'nuff said!

[317ssayzarc]

saw nothing i liked on there... thats usually the first place i go though... im buying my tranny through that site [up]

[317ssayzarc]

bought an APR R1 and issam finally convinced me i needed a nice bead blasted oil pan (even though no one will see it under the car [headbang]

[pipe7284]

what Issam does best is convincing you to get more parts for your car, eventhough he knows whats best. great guy.!!!!!!!!!!
cheers for Issam.

[317ssayzarc]

im sure ill send him some more money for whatever reason soon... good guy though [up]

[Wizard-of-OD]

what Issam does best is convincing you to get more parts for your car, eventhough he knows whats best. great guy.!!!!!!!!!!
cheers for Issam.

Hey Hey Felipe come on!I convince you to NOT build a half ass set up....

BTW Rotaries > any other engine out there.

Thank God it was developed by Audi (well Auto union...well NSU...well...err...ill stop)

I would dump my engine in a heart beat for a 20B.The size of my lawn mower and makes more power than God.[eek]

[317ssayzarc]

and the great wiz himself decides to stop in...

goddam apex seals always leak though issam [headbang]

[onemoremile]

There are vids of a 550whp RX7 with a naturally aspirated 20b out there somewhere. True story.

[317ssayzarc]

head went out to bob q last week... forgot to update [headbang]

[dougyfresh]

HOWS THIS ROSATI

AND

ONEMOREMILE???



Heated garages with lifts are money.
My buddy and I just finished his lift. Insulation, sheetrock, permanent heat (as opposed to my kerosene heater), lights and a huge air compressor are forthcoming.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2063/2128782627_f57f5c63b3.jpg


Nice build. I just subscribed to continue reading more. Could you please post a link to your 'vortex thread here? I'd like to go read that too. [wrench]

[317ssayzarc]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3468669

i tend to update there more often because the tech info is better and there is more traffic [up]

[317ssayzarc]

damn i only get one reply from that update? [headbang]

if it was a hybrid k04 thread or look at my new wheels thread id be better off [down]

[onemoremile]

some of us are paying attention but trying not to clog up the thread or push it off topic.

[317ssayzarc]

gotcha... well ed from forcefed engineering is going to drop off the crank tuesday afternoon after he gives bob the filet o' head he did... i think you enjoy this kinda thing onemoremile so heres the link: http://www.forcefedengineering.com/gallery/head/

[GraysonF]

just curious, how many miles does your car have?

[A4Rollin]

hey 317 nice threads man! The one on vortex is alittle better/ more in depth. Im plannin on doin this further down the road but money is a big problem right now.... go figure. Anyways, I had one Q for ya, are you located in RI? Reason im asking is I saw on page 3 on vortex someone suggest to you about a clutch... "you said 400whp...why not get the strongest? talk to rich from dubwerks and he'll be able to help you out. you never know what you might do in the future."
This shop/rich happens to be in the north side of chicago. Coming to MY POINT... dont do anything with this shop!!! They are a joke and F up your ride royally!!!!!!! I know this from pleanty of expierence and getting jerked around with my previous A4's! Ex. they installed a new AEB head on one of my rides and it completely blew up. Or the time they installed a K04 and all the hoses blew off when im on the highway!

Anyways, just lookin out for ya bro. Dont want this glorious project to turn to the worst because of some dumbass mechanics!

[317ssayzarc]

just curious, how many miles does your car have?

126K... why might i ask?

[317ssayzarc]

hey 317 nice threads man! The one on vortex is alittle better/ more in depth. Im plannin on doin this further down the road but money is a big problem right now.... go figure. Anyways, I had one Q for ya, are you located in RI? Reason im asking is I saw on page 3 on vortex someone suggest to you about a clutch... "you said 400whp...why not get the strongest? talk to rich from dubwerks and he'll be able to help you out. you never know what you might do in the future."
This shop/rich happens to be in the north side of chicago. Coming to MY POINT... dont do anything with this shop!!! They are a joke and F up your ride royally!!!!!!! I know this from pleanty of expierence and getting jerked around with my previous A4's! Ex. they installed a new AEB head on one of my rides and it completely blew up. Or the time they installed a K04 and all the hoses blew off when im on the highway!

Anyways, just lookin out for ya bro. Dont want this glorious project to turn to the worst because of some dumbass mechanics!


ummm... kinda confused

1) RI isnt anywhere NEAR chicago lol

2) i dont 100% of my work by myself (it says why in my sig)

3) you post was hard to follow but i believe the point is dont deal with dubwerks? correct?

[Don Supreme]

Yeah, that was a very odd post and it was hard to read.

[A4Rollin]

in other words, yes, dont deal with that shop! After reading my post it was confusing, my bad.
Didnt see you did all your work, thats a money savor!

[GraysonF]

126K... why might i ask?

no i was just curious because when all this is said and done, you will in theory have a whole brand new motor.

The reason i was wondering is because if i were in your shoes and my car had lower miles, then i would have waited and did it all at once instead of having to order parts left and right....BUT your car has 126k, so it's time to do it now.

catch my drift?

good luck with the final product

[Rosati]

Hey Hey Felipe come on!I convince you to NOT build a half ass set up....

BTW Rotaries > any other engine out there.

Thank God it was developed by Audi (well Auto union...well NSU...well...err...ill stop)

I would dump my engine in a heart beat for a 20B.The size of my lawn mower and makes more power than God.[eek]

Just saw this, Hes damn right (when those engines are properly maintained and strengthened w/ 3+mm apex seals

Cant wait to have one!


Gfanelia: Mileage is just a number when it comes to this game.



Where are we at bro? Whats the status?!

[317ssayzarc]

no i was just curious because when all this is said and done, you will in theory have a whole brand new motor.

The reason i was wondering is because if i were in your shoes and my car had lower miles, then i would have waited and did it all at once instead of having to order parts left and right....BUT your car has 126k, so it's time to do it now.

catch my drift?

good luck with the final product


i will have a new motor, tranny, all new mounts, new charge tubing, new IC, new intake mani, new brakes and tires all around, new suspension, new exhaust, ect... not much left to replace huh?

[317ssayzarc]

in other words, yes, dont deal with that shop! After reading my post it was confusing, my bad.
Didnt see you did all your work, thats a money savor!


its all good man [;)]

[Rosati]

Thanks for ignorin me jake [up] haha

[317ssayzarc]

fuck you rob [:p] jk

you were addressing the other guy so i didnt know if you were talking to me lol



he was like, whoa, idk youd get back to me that fast... ill wait till spring then


so thats where we are at... so in spring i might need 2 cars... a b6 for my dad and a b5 for the other guy [:D] [up]

[Rosati]

Dude i meant the status w/ you car.....

wouldnt bring business onto your thread.



AKA "Where exactly are you right now w/ YOUR car"

[317ssayzarc]

well the car is now at my sisters house and i am cleaning out the engine bay... pics to follow when is all done (hopefully tommorrow night) [up]

blocks getting ready for powdercoat and then some machine work hehe...

ed from forcefed is dropping off my crank at my house tommorrow

umm think thats it... sorry rob [:(]

[Rosati]

Nice man, wrapping some guys around your pinky already?

Home delivery huh? [:p] (aba crank right?)

[317ssayzarc]

Nice man, wrapping some guys around your pinky already?

Home delivery huh? [:p] (aba crank right?)

well its bc we all know my 400whp is going to own his 676whp [rolleyes] lol


but really, its bc e was upstate for new years and is swinging back down my way to drop off the filet o' head at bob q's house... i live right around there... so its that and the fact that ive been talking twin scroll 4088 with ed as well, think he wants to check out the car [cool]

[317ssayzarc]

time for an update?

[pipe7284]

yes, what are you waiting for?

[317ssayzarc]

trying to find out where to start lol... ive done so much...

heres what i have bought

AWE Vent Gauge
Garrett 3071R
T25 Turbo Gasket
Wastegate Actuator
Intercooler Core
630cc Injectors
Fuel Pump
MAF Harness Adaptor
Chris Tapp Tune
Innovate LM-1
90MM MAF and Flange
HKS Air Filter
034 Mounts
Wiseco Pistons
Pauter Rods
APR R1
Oil Pan
JHM Linkage/Bushing
ABA Crank
Greddy EBC
ER FMIC Kit
New Flywheel Surface
2.8 Transmission
SB Stage 4 OFE
Stern Rear Diff mounts
Stern Power Ring

im still waiting on the damn rods and pistons to show up though...

heres what i need to order

engine rebuild kit
headwork needs to be finished
cams
port w/m kit
machine work when i get my parts finally
kw v3's
993TT bbk
b7 s4 rear bbk
and a ton of other lil shit



took this week off of work to get things ready for feb break when it all goes back together!

[audiFUEGO]

[eek][eek][eek][eek]

WOW... you got quite a build ahead of you!

i bet your so excited [:p]

[mike-2ptzero]

Yes what is taking so long with the updates, its been like a whole month already. Lets get the lead out[;)][:p]

[A4Rollin]

dude this thing is gonna be sick! Why did you get the 2.8 trans?
Can the 1.8 trans not hold this power or is the 2.8 more reliable?
Cant wait for it to be done.[wrench]

[317ssayzarc]

[eek][eek][eek][eek]

WOW... you got quite a build ahead of you!

i bet your so excited [:p]

im dreading it... i hope everythings ready in time... if it is, ill get it done no doubt, if not, theres nothing i can do... [=(]

[317ssayzarc]

Yes what is taking so long with the updates, its been like a whole month already. Lets get the lead out[;)][:p]

hmmm, what i say to this one?


im just gonna ignore you old man [:p]

[317ssayzarc]

dude this thing is gonna be sick! Why did you get the 2.8 trans?
Can the 1.8 trans not hold this power or is the 2.8 more reliable?
Cant wait for it to be done.[wrench]

my 1.8 one was shot... and the longer gears cant hurt since my commute is 50 miles one way on the highway... not saying ill ever commute it, but if i want to, i could

[GraysonF]

my 1.8 one was shot... and the longer gears cant hurt since my commute is 50 miles one way on the highway... not saying ill ever commute it, but if i want to, i could


what's your daily driver? just wondering to see how it compares to this soon to be beast.

[Beemer832]

what happened to the hyrbid 3071? or is that what you were referring to?
when you go bigger maybe ill take the turbo, injectors, and tune off our hands .............

-josh

[317ssayzarc]

what's your daily driver? just wondering to see how it compares to this soon to be beast.

just a 220whp golf, nothing special... but it can hang with 350z's and e46 m3's [;)]

[317ssayzarc]

what happened to the hyrbid 3071? or is that what you were referring to?
when you go bigger maybe ill take the turbo, injectors, and tune off our hands .............

-josh

yes this is 2871 looking 3071r hybrid with 30 series wheels [up]

[GraysonF]

just a 220whp golf, nothing special... but it can hang with 350z's and e46 m3's [;)]

yeah those are pieces of dookey [cool]. MK3?

[mike-2ptzero]

hmmm, what i say to this one?


im just gonna ignore you old man [:p]

Hey sonny, hit me up. I need to talk with you about your ER fmic.

[317ssayzarc]

short blocks assembled...

[Bic-Ball]

pics? cutting that engine up was really cool, thanks for the slideshow.

[Nebone]

YeY. Let me know if you can ever sneak me into the shop to learn some BAT skillz.

[317ssayzarc]

pics? cutting that engine up was really cool, thanks for the slideshow.

[confused] huh?

[317ssayzarc]

YeY. Let me know if you can ever sneak me into the shop to learn some BAT skillz.

i aint BAT turbo yet... wait till you see whats next [;)]

[Bic-Ball]

gotcha... well ed from forcefed engineering is going to drop off the crank tuesday afternoon after he gives bob the filet o' head he did... i think you enjoy this kinda thing onemoremile so heres the link: http://www.forcefedengineering.com/gallery/head/

i was referring to that

[317ssayzarc]

gotcha!

yea no prob [up], pretty cool stuff eh?

[A4ringedONE8T]

Whats your name on Vortex?

[317ssayzarc]

reverse of this one... 317ssayzarc put backwards = crazyass713

audizine is too "proper" to let me have ass in my screen name [rolleyes]

i am who your are thinking of most likely... whats yours?

[A4ringedONE8T]

reverse of this one... 317ssayzarc put backwards = crazyass713

audizine is too "proper" to let me have ass in my screen name [rolleyes]

i am who your are thinking of most likely... whats yours?

haha thats what I thought, just saw the "400 or bust" in your sig

I would be Shawn@Fifteen52 [:)]

[317ssayzarc]

Heet!

[317ssayzarc]

got bored and decided to do something...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/0219081456.jpg

and thank god for aaron crossley http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/cheers.gif

[AudiA4_20T]

Jake I would not want you to get bored around my house lol

[317ssayzarc]

damn right, id run around and paint everything puerto rican chrome [;)]

[317ssayzarc]

some updates...

the nicely built motor:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/topofpistons.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/paintingblock.jpg

and the now clean place its going:
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/cleanenginebay.jpg

and these puppies make me get a boner just looking at em!!!!!
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/kwv3s.jpg

[AudiA4_20T]

looks exactly like my motor did [up]

[317ssayzarc]

like the remote reservoirs clint?

they make me so fucking excited!!!!!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/cheers.gif

[Nebone]

Money Pit Status.

Nice suspension. Thought your bottom end was already done last week.

[317ssayzarc]

it was, i decided i was bored enough to paint the block... [:D]

just waiting for bob q to get the head done, right as i was leaving his place saturday the valve guide hone broke... replacement part got here today and work will begin again

[317ssayzarc]

im gonna bump this because its 230AM and i cant sleep cuz im so excited to get the head tommorrow... feels like christmas eve when i was 10 yrs old lol [:D]

[audiFUEGO]

lol are you ready to boost

[317ssayzarc]

i feel a maxed out 3071r soon... might as well weld the wastegate shut lol

[onemoremile]

That car is going to be a monster.

[317ssayzarc]

well i got the head... nice and ported, CAT 53 cams, adjustable cam sprocket, CAT valve springs, Supertech valves in stock size, all new valve guides, ect ,ect...

pics on the motor tommorrow!

[317ssayzarc]

some pics...

headwork
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1072.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1073.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1074.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1075.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1077.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1076.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1078.jpg

pic of the clearencing done to the block
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1066.jpg

nicely polished forged crank
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1067.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1068.jpg

im shaft all done after 3 rounds of machining
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1069.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1070.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1071.jpg

[317ssayzarc]

should post a picture of sweet rims or a bodykit or suede or something...

this forum seems to have no interest... [=(]

[ILoveT]

I'm pretty sure half the people on here are just intimidated... Me being one of them... Ha! Looks sweet man. VIDZ in like 2 days?

[317ssayzarc]

about the vids, we will see... my boss is in mexico and once he gets back ill try and get some shop time outta him...

[TQMB5]

no im just waiting for you to quit talking and posting pics and put that shit together.[:D] dont get me wrong its cool stuff but this is the boring stuff to us. If if was my build i would be just as excited to as you, there is nothing like a steady flow of kick as parts getting delivered. Looks good though im excited to see what numbers you put down with that mani. also what tune, sorry if i missed it.

[317ssayzarc]

chris tapp, if i was planning to stay below 500whp id probably go uni but i have much bigger plans later this year... [;)]

[quattro16]

Jake shit looks good!!!!!!!!! Just got done myself disassembling the Awm head. Then have to drop the aeb and all parts off to my " GUY". Haha. We all need to have a BT only meet in the spring-summer time!!!!

P.S. At least this isn't like the S4 forum where all those monkeys bitch and complain about who has what, who stole who's tune, going bt is a waist of time and money, etcccc!!!!!!!!! You know what I mean. HAHAHa

[a220vt]

Did you get the 1000cc program?

[A4ringedONE8T]

Is it running yet? Wheres the dyno?? [:)]

[317ssayzarc]

Jake shit looks good!!!!!!!!! Just got done myself disassembling the Awm head. Then have to drop the aeb and all parts off to my " GUY". Haha. We all need to have a BT only meet in the spring-summer time!!!!

P.S. At least this isn't like the S4 forum where all those monkeys bitch and complain about who has what, who stole who's tune, going bt is a waist of time and money, etcccc!!!!!!!!! You know what I mean. HAHAHa

amen to that [up]

bassed is coming to a track day at limerock... we should make that the official BT meet... its a VAG meet not just BT audi, i have two buddies with 450+whp mk4's and my dads stg 3+++ 2.7t if it still runs lol

[317ssayzarc]

Did you get the 1000cc program?

no but when i go to something much larger towards the end of the year i will need to [:D]

[317ssayzarc]

Is it running yet? Wheres the dyno?? [:)]

well someone told me how great heet was and now i need to go find some of this magical fluid to fill up my oil, coolant, power steering, brake fluid and oh yea washer solvent too... [:D]

car WILL NOT run w/o heet [hail]

[a220vt]

What does that mean exactly?

[317ssayzarc]

What does that mean exactly?

inside joke... sorry for the confusion [:p]

[TQMB5]

is something big like vr6 or is something big like twinscroll 4088r???

[317ssayzarc]

is something big like vr6 or is something big like twinscroll 4088r???

maybe the second option...

trying to decide if i want to keep it roadrace or go drag... [confused]

[317ssayzarc]

guess ill update you guys a bit... couple of new things came in the last few days... so big reds for the front... some turbo inlet stuff from 034 too, look at the size of those two things! the calipers are enormous and the tubing 4"!!! also hooked up my mocal thermo plate for my oil cooler, had to cut the end off the stock 1/2" -16 piece and cleaned up the threads on the end where the cut was... the stock oil cooler is now gone and the coolant was actually able to be bypassed by using the stock feed hose, rotating it 45 degrees, and feeding it right back into where the return is... like it was meant to be like that! now on to the pics...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/0229081809.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/0229081809a.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/0229081817.jpg

[pipe7284]

what are you talking about those calipers are small...lol. nice man. its coming along real nice. congrats.

[317ssayzarc]

what are you talking about those calipers are small...lol. nice man. its coming along real nice. congrats.

thank you sir, now i just need my boss to let me put the motor and tranny in sometime [headbang]

and btw, im 6'2" with hands sized accordingly, and with my hand spread fully, i can cover about half the caliper lol [eek]

[audiFUEGO]

wow those brakes make me wanna sploooge.

[317ssayzarc]

wow those brakes make me wanna sploooge.

i like em too, i put a set on my dads car a while back and they are good... i really wanted the cayenne calipers but only the b6 and up and the b5 s4 can get them [mad] they are even $100 cheaper [headbang]

[audiFUEGO]

cayenne brakes are gi-normous.

what application are yours?

[317ssayzarc]

993 turbo calipers

[audiFUEGO]

993 turbo calipers

i knew they looked too big to be for a standard carrera.. so are those the same size as a 996? could you potentially run the ceramic pads in those? [:D]

[Nebone]

Real good progress. Hoe your boss gives you time this weekend at the shop. I just seen a bunch of Porsches today at inskip and my eyes were strictly on their brakes since they are amazing and now here you come with Big Reds. Keeps getting better.

[317ssayzarc]

i knew they looked too big to be for a standard carrera.. so are those the same size as a 996? could you potentially run the ceramic pads in those? [:D]

well my dad runs has hp plus pads and the sqeal like a bitch... even stock porsche brakes squeal, due to the stupid pad backing things... cant tell you how many customers have come in complaining about their brakes squealing and us telling them its normal lol... so oem textar pads for the street, havent decided on a track compound yet... but definetly getting a track set, they are soooo easy to change out [wrench]

[317ssayzarc]

Real good progress. Hoe your boss gives you time this weekend at the shop. I just seen a bunch of Porsches today at inskip and my eyes were strictly on their brakes since they are amazing and now here you come with Big Reds. Keeps getting better.

wait till you see the 300mm rears, s4 calipers arent as gorgeous but 300mm rear rotors look darn pretty [cool]

[Nebone]

I believe they do look pretty and perform well too. I have 312mm fronts and they are pretty gigantor (calipers are missing the Porsche lettering tho and say Ate instead).

I still can't predict what riding/driving in your A4 will feel like. Going to pull like a NHRA funny car, gonna stop like a porsche and handle like a Lotus (all exaggerations except the Porsche part and maybe Lotus). Buulding a nasty hybrid there.

[317ssayzarc]

heres the NEW fucking problem.. (like #25 or something [headbang])

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/0307081457.jpg

[pipe7284]

what? paper in your TIP? just take it off, its not that hard, pull it with your hand!!!!

lol

that sucks dude, you`ll probably need a diffrent mani to bring the turbo back a little bit. or a different TIP.

[317ssayzarc]

yea i got all sorts of silicone shit coming next week... bought 150 bucks worth of anything i thought might help me and if it doesnt, ill have to tow it to my old fabrication shop and TIG me up something nice...

[audiFUEGO]

why not just dremel away some of the rad support?

[mike-2ptzero]

Is that a 3" 90 deg or a 3" to 4" 90 so you can put a ford maf into the end?


Will it fit if you run it down?

[317ssayzarc]

why not just dremel away some of the rad support?

because it hits the fan and headlight, not just the support... [evilmad]

[317ssayzarc]

Is that a 3" 90 deg or a 3" to 4" 90 so you can put a ford maf into the end?


Will it fit if you run it down?

fucking stupid ass high temp rubber 3" to 4" 90... i got a 135 degree tight radius 3" coming and a ton of anything else 3" that i thought might work... anyone need some 3" bends lol?

[Nebone]

How about these 4"-3"

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Catalog%20Images/Silicone/ATP-SIL-278_450.jpg

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-SIL-278&Category_Code=SIL-90EL

[317ssayzarc]

i have something simlar to that on the turbo in that pic... i have the high temp rubber version, thats the only difference... i need to go super tight radius 3" to clear [up] ill do the 3"-4" transition elsewhere...

[Nebone]

I remember seeing this really low profile inlet. It would bend 90* right as it came out from the turbo. It looked more like a straight piece of silicone hose rather than a 90* bend.

[317ssayzarc]

link me?

[Nebone]

I been looking man and can'd find it. It would be ideal. I'll keep looking.

[onemoremile]

If you want to stick with a relatively easy build you could add a Tial V-band housing to a Forced Performance HTA35R and end up with a wider and taller powerband than a standard 35R. The compressor inlet is a little longer so you would need to swap exhaust manifolds anyway and I'd definitely go with the stainless V-band turbine housing since it should help widen the powerband even more.

[317ssayzarc]

If you want to stick with a relatively easy build you could add a Tial V-band housing to a Forced Performance HTA35R and end up with a wider and taller powerband than a standard 35R. The compressor inlet is a little longer so you would need to swap exhaust manifolds anyway and I'd definitely go with the stainless V-band turbine housing since it should help widen the powerband even more.

well im sticking with this for now... a twinscroll 30r or a 4088 will be going on this fall, depending on if i keep it roadrace or go drag... either way, the twin scroll will mean no vband turbine inlet [:|]

[mike-2ptzero]

If you want to stick with a relatively easy build you could add a Tial V-band housing to a Forced Performance HTA35R and end up with a wider and taller powerband than a standard 35R. The compressor inlet is a little longer so you would need to swap exhaust manifolds anyway and I'd definitely go with the stainless V-band turbine housing since it should help widen the powerband even more.

Only advantage the Tial Vband housing has is weight and 1 bolt to deal with on the vband. I was shown one at Full-race, geoff said that the problems is that built a manifold using the tial and ran into a problem with the collector having to be taller or if it is short it becomes a bad angle. He said he didn't see any difference betteen it and a turbo with a standard flange. I even got a request to have FR build a A4 manifold with one and this was the info I was given even before I made a vist to FR a few weeks ago.


So is the design just hype?

[onemoremile]

The design is great and proven in other applications but I've been wondering about fitment in a B5 Audi. You just confirmed what I've been worried about and that was getting a proper low angle merge collector in that tight space. The round V-band inlet is slightly more efficient than the standard rectangular turbine inlets and stainless keeps more heat energy going to the turbine. It is a small gain in efficiency but it is a gain nonetheless. When dealing with such small engines every little bit helps.

The twin scrolls also have their problems. The Subey guys swear it makes a big difference even at 300whp on a 2.0 but Tony said it made no appreciable difference on a 1.8t with a 30r. I've got no other real info to go by. The Subey setup mentioned is the JDM STi stock setup. On the Audi I've heard it mentioned that you would need dual wastegates but there may be room for two pipes leading to a remote wastegate. Cracking may be an issue either way though. Wastegates are a bigger issue on a street car running moderate boost than on a drag car running high boost on race gas so the application has a lot to do with it.

[mike-2ptzero]

The design is great and proven in other applications but I've been wondering about fitment in a B5 Audi. You just confirmed what I've been worried about and that was getting a proper low angle merge collector in that tight space. The round V-band inlet is slightly more efficient than the standard rectangular turbine inlets and stainless keeps more heat energy going to the turbine. It is a small gain in efficiency but it is a gain nonetheless. When dealing with such small engines every little bit helps.

The twin scrolls also have their problems. The Subey guys swear it makes a big difference even at 300whp on a 2.0 but Tony said it made no appreciable difference on a 1.8t with a 30r. I've got no other real info to go by. The Subey setup mentioned is the JDM STi stock setup. On the Audi I've heard it mentioned that you would need dual wastegates but there may be room for two pipes leading to a remote wastegate. Cracking may be an issue either way though. Wastegates are a bigger issue on a street car running moderate boost than on a drag car running high boost on race gas so the application has a lot to do with it.


Might have been the difference between a equal length twin scroll manifold on the subey vs a non equal length on the 1.8t if your talking about the one used on the Matrix car owned by Issam and used by 034 with the VR6 in it now. I know matrix didn't use a equal length setup since there really hasn't been a equal length twin scroll manifold made at this point and the fact that the exhaust manifold the first tube manifold that issam/034 came out was based on the same design, matrix did use dual wg's on their manifold though.

Yes you can do a Y pipe to a single wg, but at that point it just becomes a single scroll not a twin. The reason why is the fact that the Y allows the pulse to be sucked into the other side while it is in a vacuum state between the 2 pulses. Even Full-race runs into this problem on their Nissan twin scroll using a Y pipe even though their Y pipe is split to the very end where the wg is mounted. Geoff at Full-race explained that even though it is devided, once the WG opens the pulse goes out one side and gets sucked right back into the other side of the devide in the Y pipe. This is why it is best to use 1 wg for each side of the twin scroll so they are never in contact with the other side.

Nissan TS manifold with the Y pipe to a single WG from Full-race
http://www.full-race.com/catalog/images/sr%20divided%20t3.jpg

Room for the WG's shouldn't be a problem if the person doesn't expect to do anything but run open dumps which shouldn't be any louder then or maybe even less then running a open dump single wg.


Geoff even showed me a manifold design they have for a Honda that he things would be work great on the VW's, if the people were willing to have the turbo placed in a different spot then what everyone does now.

[Tiluleshpingen]

Your IM shaft has to be machined and I believe a very small amount needs to be removed from the block in certain places. It's a very small amount of work though, your machine shop wouldn't even think twice about it. You can pick up a forged OBD-I aba crank for around 100 bucks.

where can we find the aba crank the forged obd1
is ther an actual site or you mean dealer?

[317ssayzarc]

where can we find the aba crank the forged obd1
is ther an actual site or you mean dealer?

classifieds, asking around, junk yards, ect...

[onemoremile]

Might have been the difference between a equal length twin scroll manifold on the subey vs a non equal length on the 1.8t if your talking about the one used on the Matrix car owned by Issam and used by 034 with the VR6 in it now. I know matrix didn't use a equal length setup since there really hasn't been a equal length twin scroll manifold made at this point and the fact that the exhaust manifold the first tube manifold that issam/034 came out was based on the same design, matrix did use dual wg's on their manifold though.

Yes you can do a Y pipe to a single wg, but at that point it just becomes a single scroll not a twin. The reason why is the fact that the Y allows the pulse to be sucked into the other side while it is in a vacuum state between the 2 pulses. Even Full-race runs into this problem on their Nissan twin scroll using a Y pipe even though their Y pipe is split to the very end where the wg is mounted. Geoff at Full-race explained that even though it is devided, once the WG opens the pulse goes out one side and gets sucked right back into the other side of the devide in the Y pipe. This is why it is best to use 1 wg for each side of the twin scroll so they are never in contact with the other side.


Gotcha. Thanks for the info. [up]

I've got pics of the engine Matrix built for that racecar but it was reported to have 0 miles on it. The manifold was a divided design but they merged 1/2 and 3/4 which seems odd to me.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/onemoremile/Matrixheader.jpg


Hi Jim,

Thanks for the email.

Well we have a freshly built (0 mile) 1.8 w/ 9:1 Wiseco’s and Arrow Precision rods, balanced/blueprinted, etc.

Exhaust manifold is custom by us.

Innovative GT58 Dual BB; P Trim; .84 A/R; Tang; V-Band Discharge; Divided; Wet; Dynamic Seal

(Although I think Issam may be buying the EM/turbo/DP).

3.5” SS downpipe
Twin TiAL 35mm High Pressure wastegates; .95bar spring; Red

We never got any drive time on this setup, only pulling the car on/off our trailer for shows while we were initially getting the Electromotive TEC3 setup (we were running on the stock block to start). So, the EM/turbo/DP/WG’s have maybe 8hrs on them.

A few pics are att’d for you.

Best regards,
Jeremy Williams

[Wizard-of-OD]

@ Mike - mine is equal length

@ Jim - the engine that Matrix has is a very good buy.Lots of custom parts and if I had the extra cash to burn I would have been all over it.

[onemoremile]

I thought about it. That was quite awhile ago. The turbo was massive but I was only interested in the long block. For that much money I'd go with some larger displacement.

[317ssayzarc]

well arent you built internals anyways now?

[mike-2ptzero]

@ Mike - mine is equal length



This is equal length?

http://www.034motorsport.com/oscthumbwm/w/500/h/482/q/95/f/jpg/fltr/wmi%7CphpThumb/watermarks/034watermark%7CC%7C20%7C0/hash/b891b5157790453954c7d3ecd6f76b00/src/images/1.8TLONGHEADER1.JPG


http://www.034motorsport.com/oscthumbwm/w/500/h/503/q/95/f/jpg/fltr/wmi%7CphpThumb/watermarks/034watermark%7CC%7C20%7C0/hash/11de56b01926c15798cb792e791627aa/src/images/1.8TLONGHEADER2.JPG

Because to me it seems 1-4 are longer then 2-3.

BTW I tried calling you yestereday, but you didn't answer. I left a vm about the shifter, so I am going to need more info from you.

[Don Supreme]

Jake - You went with the 53s instead of the 58s? Why?

[317ssayzarc]

Jake - You went with the 53s instead of the 58s? Why?

because adam never got his testing done due to a chaffed cam sensor wire... im not going to be a guinea pig for anything like cams or internals or stuff like that... the 53's are also a little bit milder and since i dont have lemmiwinks available since im ME5, i figured the 53's would have a better shot at idling and the tune matching closer...

[Don Supreme]

haha, I don't want to be a guinea pig either. The 53s seem to work nicely.

....

[317ssayzarc]

haha, I don't want to be a guinea pig either. The 53s seem to work nicely.

are you running an AEB?

[mike-2ptzero]

haha, I don't want to be a guinea pig either. The 53s seem to work nicely.



I would try them if he is looking for a test car.


I would even be willing to do the HTA upgrade to my GT35r if to see if there really is a difference, but I wont do it with my own money at this point since the GT35r is going to be coming off this summer. Now if someone is looking to buy a used GT35r and wants to do the HTA upgrade to it now then I am more then welling to do it.


It is easy for me to get dyno time, so it wouldn't be hard for me to do a before and after tests on the exact same dyno.

[Maverick]

ya know, i am just amazed that how many options the 1.8T camp have. so jealous.
just excited to read about BAT build like this.

[317ssayzarc]

ya know, i am just amazed that how many options the 1.8T camp have. so jealous.
just excited to read about BAT build like this.

well you are kinda localish... ill be at epping raceway in NH and MA in fall river with a bunch of my friends alot.... youll see it around, dont you worry [;)]

[Maverick]

well pm me when you are going. I am waiting for mine as well but of course it's not turbo.

[onemoremile]

well arent you built internals anyways now?

For more than two years now.

[Maverick]

The STi guys are split into two camps too. Some go with a 2.8 Crawford block while other go with a JDM 2.2 that can rev like mad. V-Max versus CBR.

The only added advantage to keeping the revs down is the lowered stress on the rods and valvetrain. The water pump, PS pump, and oil pump also do some strange things if spun too fast.

I used to like your old avatar, lol.
are you implying that the engine was not born with high revs should not go high rev?
or our BAT revs to 8.5K is better?

[onemoremile]

They are two different animals. Airflow is basically displacement times rpm so the big difference is the shape of the powerband. Larger displacement generally has better throttle response, lower boost threshold, quicker spool, and less wear and tear on the rotating assembly and head. Since stress on rotating parts increases with the square of rpm the best longevity usually comes from larger displacement. The problem is that building a 2.2 is expensive, time consuming, and much more difficult than swapping some basic valvetrain parts into a balanced 1.8 or 2.0 and revving the snot out of it.

I'd prefer the larger displacement but the 1.8 is the easy build. It has been demonstrated repeatedly that the 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2 can all rev as high as the head will allow and the 1.8 is capable of amazing power given it's size. Still, take any 1.8 setup and move it to a 2.0 or 2.2 and it only gets better.

[Maverick]

thanks for the elaboration.
what do you and other guys think of putting a A'PEXI super grounding system in. I have read this several times. It smooths the electric charge at higher RPM which it will give a smoother power and torque curve. do you think it is feasible on our cars since that A'PEXI is widely used in Japanese tuner cars. Would we benefit from a system like this?

[Wizard-of-OD]

This is equal length?.
Thats not mine[:p]

[A4ringedONE8T]

This will solve your TIP problems

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-SIL-251&Category_Code=RUB

Then put your 4 to 3" elbow on that bringing the TIP back towards the strut tower

[317ssayzarc]

This will solve your TIP problems

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-SIL-251&Category_Code=RUB

Then put your 4 to 3" elbow on that bringing the TIP back towards the strut tower

i like the look of that... my order should get here on tuesday so if that stuff dont fit ill try one of these... i think thats the only 3" bend i didnt get lol [headbang]

[onemoremile]

thanks for the elaboration.
what do you and other guys think of putting a A'PEXI super grounding system in. I have read this several times. It smooths the electric charge at higher RPM which it will give a smoother power and torque curve. do you think it is feasible on our cars since that A'PEXI is widely used in Japanese tuner cars. Would we benefit from a system like this?

There is/was a thread about it in the B5 forum. The B5 isn't know for any electrical problems so I don't think it is necessary. It couldn't hurt though.

[a220vt]

They also have them here for a little cheaper: http://intakehoses.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=I&Category_Code=CHEW

[317ssayzarc]

good looking out [up]

looks like they got stuff back in stock, when i went there last week,like 80% of everything i needed was out of stock [headbang]

[A4ringedONE8T]

i like the look of that... my order should get here on tuesday so if that stuff dont fit ill try one of these... i think thats the only 3" bend i didnt get lol [headbang]

That should most definitely work, it was the only thing that would clear my radiator shield and fans with my 3" TIP on the GTRS

[317ssayzarc]

That should most definitely work, it was the only thing that would clear my radiator shield and fans with my 3" TIP on the GTRS

yea that prob will work for sure, no questioning that... but with that said, it looks awefully restrictive... i like the sound of the tight radius 135 i have coming bc it maintains diameter... the reason i think it has a better chance than 2 90's is because the two 90s have to be 3" at their meeting point, which is right where the interference is... with the 135, it can have a little give where the two 90's couldnt... hopefully you understand what im trying to say, if not, ill try again lol [up]

[mike-2ptzero]

yea that prob will work for sure, no questioning that... but with that said, it looks awefully restrictive... i like the sound of the tight radius 135 i have coming bc it maintains diameter... the reason i think it has a better chance than 2 90's is because the two 90s have to be 3" at their meeting point, which is right where the interference is... with the 135, it can have a little give where the two 90's couldnt... hopefully you understand what im trying to say, if not, ill try again lol [up]


I used to run one before I went SEM, it is called a cobra tube and mine was 4" on both ends.

[317ssayzarc]

I used to run one before I went SEM, it is called a cobra tube and mine was 4" on both ends.

what mani though?

[A4ringedONE8T]

I doubt they hinder flow at all, they are 3" connections but the turn in the connector is about 4.5" wide

[mike-2ptzero]

what mani though?

DRS and the full-race.

[317ssayzarc]

DRS and the full-race.

that may be the difference... the apr mani puts the turbo behind cylinder one for some dumbass reason...

[Maverick]

There is/was a thread about it in the B5 forum. The B5 isn't know for any electrical problems so I don't think it is necessary. It couldn't hurt though.

i see your point. The grounding kit is not like it's going to cure electrical problems, it just there to stabilize the current out from the battery. I want to try this on my B6 after going s/c'ed

[317ssayzarc]

starting it tommorrow...

check out the whoretex thread for what you guys have missed out on...

sorry i havent updated here, there just seems to be no interest... [confused]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3468669

[quattro16]

Video tape it all. I might do that.

[317ssayzarc]

oh it will be video'd lol... my whole family and all my friends will be there, you will see videos of people videotaping lol... plenty of vids to go around http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/cheers.gif

[Nebone]

This will solve your TIP problems

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-SIL-251&Category_Code=RUB

Then put your 4 to 3" elbow on that bringing the TIP back towards the strut tower

This is exactly what I was referring to like 2 pages ago and couldn't find it anywhere after seeing it originally.

[317ssayzarc]

i ended up fitting full bends, not crushed [up]

[Eurotuned_A4]

how the hell have i missed this thread....nice build man! damn AZ is making me want to spend money again!! guess it's a fun hobby though.

[dougyfresh]

Fire 'her up!

[Wizard-of-OD]

the apr mani puts the turbo behind cylinder one for some dumbass reason...
Economics my friend.Same manifold works on both longitudinal & transverse set ups.

[mike-2ptzero]

Well another piece of the puzzle is on its way.[:D]

BTW, got word that FR has 2 longitude manifolds and 1 DP on the shelf at this time.

[AudiA4_20T]

Finally Jake!

[quattro16]

Jake Im Taking Time Out Of My Lunch To Check The Thread And Nothing Yet!!!!!!!
Hurry Up!!

[audiFUEGO]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee37/audiFUEGO/Kittah/mc11438.jpg

[Nebone]

It's all going down tonight and its raining all day.

[pipe7284]

Well another piece of the puzzle is on its way.[:D]

BTW, got word that FR has 2 longitude manifolds and 1 DP on the shelf at this time.

Dibs on one manifold and downpipe.

Mike pm sent. funds are now available.

[Eurotuned_A4]

damn baller! thats some spendy stuff pipe.

[pipe7284]

^^^lol. Insurance check came in already after battling for two months. instead of paint im using it to increase the count on BAT population, and then by the end of the summer another check should be coming in from the Army and that will go towards the paint job.

[Eurotuned_A4]

good choice, BAT over paint is the way to good. i would definately do the same.

[mike-2ptzero]

Hey Jake, so how long do you think you will have the ER competition FMIC in the car before you need to order the 800hp "Race Series" to replace it?[>_<]

[317ssayzarc]

Ok heres the vids... Enjoy, I know I did!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z32SKU_ugI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z32SKU_ugI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Y4_7u3dBs

[audiFUEGO]

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee37/audiFUEGO/Kittah/mc11568.jpg

That's all? I was expecting hours of video... i wanna see the beast

Glad shes breathing well... how long did she idle like that for?

[317ssayzarc]

well im waiting on a few things...

shes gonna drive tommorrow and full boost when i feel like it [:p]

[pipe7284]

i didnt see the turbo?!?!?!? where you put it at man?

[317ssayzarc]

heres a few pics, its buried lol

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/IMG_0249.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff52/crazyass713/CIMG1084.jpg

[onemoremile]

Turbine housing looks kinda rusty.

Is that an old skool Merc SL in the background?

[317ssayzarc]

turbine housing is a bit rusty... it was raining today lol...

and yes thats an old merc sl, its actually a 600 on its winter wheels [up]

[mike-2ptzero]

Forget the cars, I want to see the CHICS. [;)]

[bernB5]

congrats bro! sounds healthy.

[317ssayzarc]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f_2xk4rpAFc

heres one someone sent me lol

2 hrs of sleep over 3 days will do this to you!

[a220vt]

Nice! Time to go driving.

[317ssayzarc]

tommorrow [;)]

[quattro16]

Good stuff. Where's the FMIC?

[317ssayzarc]

ups says its in baldwin, CA as of today... [up]