what are you paying?

[trevs4]

what are people paying? Anyone get a discount on ordering a s5 in the u.s?

[houseofg]

Same question for the A5. People reporting back will be invaluable to others who haven't ordered yet (though your mileage may vary of course!)

[Tommy@Nemesis]

I'm geting the employee pricing :)

[houseofg]

Maybe the question is better posed as "what are people who aren't lucky SOBs paying?" [;)]

[SC_S5]

If you aren't an employee or part of a special fleet program you will not pay under MSRP for the S5 for at least the first 6 months because allocations are so limited. In the LA area every dealer I have spoken with is doing MSRP on orders and over MSRP should they get any on the lot that are not special ordered. Maybe it will be different in smaller markets but I highly doubt it. The A5's allocations will not be nearly as limited so that one might be a different story.

[houseofg]

Alright, I went in and ordered my A5 today. Got it fully loaded except for the "Genuine Milano leather seats" because I didn't fully understand the option. Salesman said it meant fully wrapped instead of just leather in "seating areas". Can anyone shed light on that option?

Anyway, the invoice pricing just came out (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/audi/a5/100939853/prices.html), so I printed that and brought it with me. Salesman was a good guy. After totaling up MSRP with the options he immediately went into invoice talk and said he didn't know what it was yet. So, it was nice to be able to whip that out (and have info he didn't have yet!). We agreed on 4% over invoice (when they get their invoice info). I haven't really done the math, but I was just happy to get a break given what I've heard thus far.

He feels like the A5s will start delivering as early as late January/beginning of February. That would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

Edit: went ahead and did the math - about a 3.4% discount off MSRP.

[Blue04]

Alright, I went in and ordered my A5 today. Got it fully loaded except for the "Genuine Milano leather seats" because I didn't fully understand the option. Salesman said it meant fully wrapped instead of just leather in "seating areas". Can anyone shed light on that option?


fully wrapped means every part of the seat is leather.. most manufacturers dont use leather on the sides or the back of the seats.

[houseofg]

Thanks, Blue. Yes, I did understand that part, but he wasn't sure whether it could mean anything else in addition to, or in lieu of that explanation. He was simply guessing because he hadn't been provided with further information yet. Looks like he was correct from what I've seen elsewhere. I think I'll keep that as the one option I pass on.

[Titanium]

Wow! MSRP on the A5 is $41k? and with option it's almost 50k?

Are you kidding me?

[GTO]

thats why i think BMW will kill it, 335 coupes are just over 40k a lot faster. the s5 will be even more and not a gaurentee to beat a 335 for sure. M3 will still walk over it, i guess they'll need a RS5 or something.

[cowts]

I'm sure BMW will outsell it but mainly because the BMW lease deals are more favorable. That's OK by me, I would rather have fewer cars like mine on the road. Around where I live, I can't go a block without seeing multiple BMW's.

The MSRP differences between BMW 3-series and A5/S5 aren't very big when it boil it down. $39,900 starting point for A5, $37,100 for 328xi couple. I think most would agree you get more for your $$ here - more HP, better interior and better style (which is subjective).

Selecting every option on both cars puts the Audi A5 at just over $51K, and the 328xi at just over $51K as well.

The S5 compares simliarly to the 335xi AWD. Base is higher for the S5 at $50K vs. $43K. Fully loaded at $58K for S5 vs $55K for 335xi coupe. So bigger price gap here, but i think many would pay the premium given the comparables.

I suspect lease factors on A5/S5 won't be very good, at least not now.

[Titanium]

I'm sure BMW will outsell it but mainly because the BMW lease deals are more favorable. That's OK by me, I would rather have fewer cars like mine on the road. Around where I live, I can't go a block without seeing multiple BMW's.

The MSRP differences between BMW 3-series and A5/S5 aren't very big when it boil it down. $39,900 starting point for A5, $37,100 for 328xi couple. I think most would agree you get more for your $$ here - more HP, better interior and better style (which is subjective).

Selecting every option on both cars puts the Audi A5 at just over $51K, and the 328xi at just over $51K as well.

The S5 compares simliarly to the 335xi AWD. Base is higher for the S5 at $50K vs. $43K. Fully loaded at $58K for S5 vs $55K for 335xi coupe. So bigger price gap here, but i think many would pay the premium given the comparables.

I suspect lease factors on A5/S5 won't be very good, at least not now.

Please tell me you didn't add all the possible options on the 335i to come up with that 55k. Last time I checked Audi did not have the Active Steering option or the Active Cruise Control that cost $2700 together . Also, feel free to deduct the BMW AWD, because not everyone will buy AWD and so far, quattro hasn't been proven superior to any RWD machine, except in the snow or rain.
Also, it looks like the S5 will be charged a $1300 gas guzzler fee.

Hey, by the way...I live in Mill Creek and have a few friends with all german cars. What do you drive?

[cowts]

Please tell me you didn't add all the possible options on the 335i to come up with that 55k. Last time I checked Audi did not have the Active Steering option or the Active Cruise Control that cost $2700 together . Also, feel free to deduct the BMW AWD, because not everyone will buy AWD and so far, quattro hasn't been proven superior to any RWD machine, except in the snow or rain.
Also, it looks like the S5 will be charged a $1300 gas guzzler fee.

Hey, by the way...I live in Mill Creek and have a few friends with all german cars. What do you drive?


It was a quick and dirty so yes I pulled all available options. I'm not saying it's dollar for dollar, but the gap in pricing isn't as big as it initially seems once you start peel the layers back. Certainly BMW has a few things that Audi doesn't and vice versa, but by all accounts, the S5 exudes higher quality finish and style for most who have seen... which excludes me, since I am not aware of a demo car yet here in the NW. In my opinion, all said, the price differences at MSRP aren't going to be enough to be the main decision factor for many... but if the lease factors put it at $300/month difference - that's bad news for Audi.

Also, I do think you have to compare the AWD if you are going to try to be close to apples-to-apples, whether you personally value it or not. I know last winter here when we had those crazy snow/ice storms, it took me 3 hours for get 10 miles home in my RWD BMW 5-series... i'm now in an A6, but am seriously looking at the S5 as my next ride.

[raulg_usa]

Wow! MSRP on the A5 is $41k? and with option it's almost 50k?

Are you kidding me?

Relax dude, it's only 3k over the MSRP of the A4 3.2 V6 auto. I don't think 3K is such a big difference, you are getting a coupe, a little more exclusive, with no small engine available (at least for now). Besides, it's no more than the 335i, yes I think you have to add the 4x4 at the bimmer side, since you are taking some options off from the full loaded 335i just cause Audi didn't have them. So you don't add active steering, but go ahead and add the 4x4. Now, if you look a little at these two cars you'll see the A5/S5 is much more exclusive, LOOKs different compared to what is on the market now, not like a regular 3 series (which a 335i is , unless you go behind and notice the dual exhaust). Interior is extremely applaused by all testers/reviewers/private parties and that is really important since you will be in the car driving it(99% of the time) not outside. Exterior is also very appreciated so the other 1% is won also. Just to end my story, the A5 may be short on the power side(S5 and RS5 will fix that easily) but is the entry level in the Audi coupe Now. And compared to 335i is better on any single aspect but pure performance. So if you need to go faster than choose the 335i, no problem. DO NOT focus all your comparison on pure power, Titanium, rememeber the S6 won over the M5, also the RS4 won over the M5, in both cases underpowered (and less performance, right) but still ..

Just cause you and me need huge performance for a car doesn't mean everybody thinks the same. Remember the forums only have probably 0.1 of the total population of the bimmer or Audi guys. Also, speed limit in US is strictly enforced, and 99.9% of population never hit a track in their life. Cool off ..

Btw, I just saw an R8 today on the street (I am still in florida), I might bounce back to the R8 as my next year car(maybe,not sure), it's just making me crazy every time I see it.

[audiwop]

"because not everyone will buy AWD and so far, quattro hasn't been proven superior to any RWD machine, except in the snow or rain."

UHHH, is that why quattro was deemed an unfair advantage in IMSA racing over the rear wheel drive machines?

[raulg_usa]

"because not everyone will buy AWD and so far, quattro hasn't been proven superior to any RWD machine, except in the snow or rain."

UHHH, is that why quattro was deemed an unfair advantage in IMSA racing over the rear wheel drive machines?

Don't even try Audiwop, you already know that NOBODY owing a bimmer will admit Quattro is any good. You (or I) could put down many more examples were Quattro was superior(ADMITED being superior by the officials, not by crazy fans) to any rear wheel drive and therefor suspended from those respective competitions, all in the recent years or in the past, no use.

[audiwop]

Don't even try Audiwop, you already know that NOBODY owing a bimmer will admit Quattro is any good. You (or I) could put down many more examples were Quattro was superior(ADMITED being superior by the officials, not by crazy fans) to any rear wheel drive and therefor suspended from those respective competitions, all in the recent years or in the past, no use.

Your right, my bad[:D]

[-Audi_tuning-]

is the invoice for the S5 50,500 or is that the starting msrp? i just want the basic car with nav, thats it...(haha cause thats so stripped right?) and I need to get as low as I can because im going to get a job(im in college) just to make the payments and I will go broke off of it, but I have to have it!!!

[Monizzle]

don't do it.^^
never work just for your ride, you'll hate your car (unless you have absolutely no other expenses).

[Easy]

is the invoice for the S5 50,500 or is that the starting msrp? i just want the basic car with nav, thats it...(haha cause thats so stripped right?) and I need to get as low as I can because im going to get a job(im in college) just to make the payments and I will go broke off of it, but I have to have it!!!


ya very bad decision... i want the the base model with just nav too though. [wrench]

[raulg_usa]

is the invoice for the S5 50,500 or is that the starting msrp? i just want the basic car with nav, thats it...(haha cause thats so stripped right?) and I need to get as low as I can because im going to get a job(im in college) just to make the payments and I will go broke off of it, but I have to have it!!!

"Audi of America, Inc. today announced pricing for the all-new 2008 A5 and S5 coupes. A5 models with a six-speed manual transmission will start at $39,900 and S5 models with a six-speed manual start at $50,500."

So, a plain S5 will be 50k (not 53k as Titanium said somewhere!) with about 2k for the navigation; the issue is you WON'T be able to get the car all plain but with navi on it; they won't let you buy that, you need to buy another package(s) in order to have the navi. I am not sure how the S5 will be optioned, but on my A4 you had to buy at least the premium package (and something else too if I remember it right) and add the navi on top of those. So a navi S5 will be around 55-56k.

[Titanium]

Relax dude, it's only 3k over the MSRP of the A4 3.2 V6 auto. I don't think 3K is such a big difference, you are getting a coupe, a little more exclusive, with no small engine available (at least for now). Besides, it's no more than the 335i, yes I think you have to add the 4x4 at the bimmer side, since you are taking some options off from the full loaded 335i just cause Audi didn't have them. So you don't add active steering, but go ahead and add the 4x4. Now, if you look a little at these two cars you'll see the A5/S5 is much more exclusive, LOOKs different compared to what is on the market now, not like a regular 3 series (which a 335i is , unless you go behind and notice the dual exhaust). Interior is extremely applaused by all testers/reviewers/private parties and that is really important since you will be in the car driving it(99% of the time) not outside. Exterior is also very appreciated so the other 1% is won also. Just to end my story, the A5 may be short on the power side(S5 and RS5 will fix that easily) but is the entry level in the Audi coupe Now. And compared to 335i is better on any single aspect but pure performance. So if you need to go faster than choose the 335i, no problem. DO NOT focus all your comparison on pure power, Titanium, rememeber the S6 won over the M5, also the RS4 won over the M5, in both cases underpowered (and less performance, right) but still ..

Just cause you and me need huge performance for a car doesn't mean everybody thinks the same. Remember the forums only have probably 0.1 of the total population of the bimmer or Audi guys. Also, speed limit in US is strictly enforced, and 99.9% of population never hit a track in their life. Cool off ..

Btw, I just saw an R8 today on the street (I am still in florida), I might bounce back to the R8 as my next year car(maybe,not sure), it's just making me crazy every time I see it.

I am not your Dude!

[CanuckRS]

I am not your Dude!


that's quite the retort...

[Titanium]

"Audi of America, Inc. today announced pricing for the all-new 2008 A5 and S5 coupes. A5 models with a six-speed manual transmission will start at $39,900 and S5 models with a six-speed manual start at $50,500."

So, a plain S5 will be 50k (not 53k as Titanium said somewhere!) with about 2k for the navigation; the issue is you WON'T be able to get the car all plain but with navi on it; they won't let you buy that, you need to buy another package(s) in order to have the navi. I am not sure how the S5 will be optioned, but on my A4 you had to buy at least the premium package (and something else too if I remember it right) and add the navi on top of those. So a navi S5 will be around 55-56k.

Yes, it sounds like the S5 will start at 50,500 + $1300 gas guzzler tax (from what i heard) so that would make it 52k. And usually if you want the Auto transmission that cost another $1000, so yes 53k.

and so far the all-wheel-drive S4 for example, is always behind the 335 that doesn't even have an LSD. so, sorry, but i don't see the quatro being superior.
also, it looks like the 335 was a little faster in the fifth gear video than the S5.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/

also, some of the best cars in the world are RWD such as:
All Ferrari
All Aston Martin
Mclaren Mercedes SLR (and all Mercedes)
Z06
Porsche GT2 & GT3
Dodge Viper
and many others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear-wheel_drive


i'm sure all thsese awesome cars are RWD because its not good, right?

(i wonder what excuses you are going to come up with now....)

i'm not saying that RWD is better than AWD or viceversa, but to say that one is superior to the other is wrong. they both have good and bads.

quattro for exampe adds 200 lbs to your car, uneven weight distribution, plenty of understeer and 10% more power loss.

RWD for example requires a good driver to push the car to its limits and sucks in snow and rain etc....

stop this AWD vs RWD superiority nonsense

[nahf14]

according to cars.com invoice on the S5 is $46,966...

http://www.cars.com/go/configurator/styles.jsp?zc=08618&mdnm=S5&mdid=8813&ddrd=&page=styles.jsp&year=2007&return=profile&mkid=4&NewCarQuote=true&rd=&affiliate=national&aff=national

[Silververtu]

I will choose S5 over 335i coupe, I see 335i coupe and sedan all over the place everyday, especially nearby university.

[raulg_usa]

Yes, it sounds like the S5 will start at 50,500 + $1300 gas guzzler tax (from what i heard) so that would make it 52k. And usually if you want the Auto transmission that cost another $1000, so yes 53k.

and so far the all-wheel-drive S4 for example, is always behind the 335 that doesn't even have an LSD. so, sorry, but i don't see the quatro being superior.
also, it looks like the 335 was a little faster in the fifth gear video than the S5.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/

also, some of the best cars in the world are RWD such as:
All Ferrari
All Aston Martin
Mclaren Mercedes SLR (and all Mercedes)
Z06
Porsche GT2 & GT3
Dodge Viper
and many others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear-wheel_drive


i'm sure all thsese awesome cars are RWD because its not good, right?

(i wonder what excuses you are going to come up with now....)

i'm not saying that RWD is better than AWD or viceversa, but to say that one is superior to the other is wrong. they both have good and bads.

quattro for exampe adds 200 lbs to your car, uneven weight distribution, plenty of understeer and 10% more power loss.

RWD for example requires a good driver to push the car to its limits and sucks in snow and rain etc....

stop this AWD vs RWD superiority nonsense

Well, I think AWD is much better, considering you are not driving a GT2 and I am not driving a Ferrari (by the way, somehow you skipped the Lambo which is 4x4 and is a super car. Or bugati, or R8). So, once you start racing on a race track every weekend RWD is net inferior to quattro. Yeah, I can't drop my rear on the sidewalk, but let's face it, nobody drags his car on the street. You are taking the best examples out there but you are not a professional driver (neither am I) and your car is not used as a race car NEVER.

You are comparing an 6-7 years old car (S4) with a brand new one (335i) and you wonder which is winning? Then shame on the 7 years old M3 being killed by the RS4 for 2-3 years until the new M3 shows up. Wait until next year, maybe the situatian changes. What I really wonder is why do you think that if the 335i is (maybe) faster than an S4 it's because of the quattro? Do you think other things can happen? Tires, suspension, the whole body of the car, position of the engine over the front axel, chassis, etc ... How do you extrapolate the quattro to make sure that is the problem?

Cause if it's only the quattro bigger loss in power than the new M3 should eat the RS4 alive. How come the new M3 is not a ton faster than the RS4? It's the same power, same weight, not really faster? Even slower at high speed (in the test we all read in the magazines until now).

Think again, you are an enthusiast and still don't use the car to it's limits, what about the others who only buy a bmw for it's look? Over here they choose a lot the 4x4 system on the 3 series; why? cause considering rwd is equal to the awd on the dry (real street driving) the awd is much better in wet/snow. So the smallest advantage is proving the awd as a better real system.

I think if they would allow 4x4 in F1 they would all switch to it. If not, who didn't would just loose. Afterall that's what happenend in ANY race Audi entered with quattro, kicked everyones but, haha

About the S5 automatic you are a little wrong trying to add it to the price, it's not available for now. Maybe some tiptronic later for a few months until DSG. DSG is 99% sure to show up next year (from different audi sources) and than I will gladly pay 2k to have on my car. It's after all the best auto transmision for now.
You don't have to match the price though, the 335i is cheaper than it's the S5 and than the MB CLK. S5 is in the middle, nothing wrong with that.

We started from the A5 price check (not the S5), where you said it's so expensive, when it's actually only 3k more than an similar A4 (v6, auto).

Fifth gear video was weird, even stupid. Again, I ask you again what was the starting speed? Can you at least tell me "the same"? OR don't even know it ... Poor women can't start from a stop, she drove that 335i far away from being a professional, didn't look like the S5 was at it's limits at all. But just tell me the starting speed. Check this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twoegah1-1U&mode=related&search=), S5 <> 335i <> CLK500 - Priced in the middle AUDI WINS easily overall, but also performance wise.

[mattyb]

also, it looks like the 335 was a little faster in the fifth gear video than the S5.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/



Guess he didn't bother to actually do the compare:

"The Answer
Audi S5 is noticeably faster."

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=45fd0fcbd70cb&car2=458da72e81532

[QuaTTrings]

Nice link ! [up]

Now that 5th Gear .06-one hundredths of a second comparison really does look foolish, except the part about the S5 being 1/2 a second quicker to 60 mph...


Guess he didn't bother to actually do the compare:
"The Answer
Audi S5 is noticeably faster."

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=45fd0fcbd70cb&car2=458da72e81532

[raulg_usa]

Guess he didn't bother to actually do the compare:

"The Answer
Audi S5 is noticeably faster."

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=45fd0fcbd70cb&car2=458da72e81532

"the answer" thing is kinda broken on that website, it's true this time, I mean from those track numbers the S5 is slightly faster, but on other car comparison "the answer" will not count corectly. Anyone checking that link should just compare the cars against each track and see which one is faster, also the 0-60 or 1/4m numbers.

[-Audi_tuning-]

"Audi of America, Inc. today announced pricing for the all-new 2008 A5 and S5 coupes. A5 models with a six-speed manual transmission will start at $39,900 and S5 models with a six-speed manual start at $50,500."

So, a plain S5 will be 50k (not 53k as Titanium said somewhere!) with about 2k for the navigation; the issue is you WON'T be able to get the car all plain but with navi on it; they won't let you buy that, you need to buy another package(s) in order to have the navi. I am not sure how the S5 will be optioned, but on my A4 you had to buy at least the premium package (and something else too if I remember it right) and add the navi on top of those. So a navi S5 will be around 55-56k.

hey ordered it today, it was 54 and change, i was able to get the nav just plain, though there were 2 grand worth of fees... damn the government ahaha

[raulg_usa]

hey ordered it today, it was 54 and change, i was able to get the nav just plain, though there were 2 grand worth of fees... damn the government ahaha

thx for clearing the whole thing up ..
nice to see people ordering .. congrats