2.0t A5.

[4-tified]

I think Audi is going to make a big mistake by not offering a 2.0T A5 in the north American market.
In the Euro market there will be an A5 with a 180-190hp 1.8T engine.
But, in the US the A5 will start with a 265hp V6 and move WAY UP in price to an S5 with a V8.

Audi really needs to bring a 2.0T version to compete with the BMW 328i coupe. A 2.0T with 220-230hp will be ideal competition for the greater selling 328i.
If the 2.0T is up to snuff for the B8 A4, then I'm sure it will be just fine for the A5 2.0T.

The V6 doesn't do it for me as it doesn't have the kind of power I want for the cost, PLUS it's not a modders engine. The 2.0T would be a much better choice for many of us.
A 335i coupe will be much quicker than an A5 with 265hp, yet the pricing will be quite close. An S5 is even more expensive than a 335i coupe.
There IS a BIG need for a 2.0T A5.

Also, I read that the "sunroof" does not open, it just tilts up.
Save the cost of that mechanism and just offer a tinted class option.
I'd rather put the money in AWD with a 2.0T.

So, would anyone else like a 2.0T version of the A5?
An ideal S5 for me would be:
2.0T with 230hp/230lb ft.
6spd short shift manual, DSG option
Quattro AWD
Euro sport seats with thigh extensions.
245/40/18" wheels/tires
Tinted Glass roof.

Price range just below BMW 328i as Audi is typically lower priced than BMW, especially since Audi doesn't give the included maintenance anymore.

Here are some BMW coupe prices.
The following include power leather sport seats, sunroof (not available on A5/S5), bluetooth, 6 spd. manual trans, dimming mirrors, homelink mirror, etc.. The 335i also includes the pro-logic 7 audio system, which is awesome, much better than any Bose system.

The 328i with metallic paint is $40,800, base price $35,300
The 335i with metallic paint is $45,700, base price $40,800

Audi NEEDS a 2.0T variant at a much better price point to compete with BMW.

Thoughts?

[DeMOROlized]

3 things:

1) DSG not available for any longitudinal platform yet.

2) I think AoA is trying to make the car more upscale, hence the move to launch with the 3.2 & S5 only.

3) Just because the car won't launch with a 2.0T here doesn't mean that it won't come after a year or two. It won't be the first time Audi has done something like that.

[4-tified]

3 things:

1) DSG not available for any longitudinal platform yet.

2) I think AoA is trying to make the car more upscale, hence the move to launch with the 3.2 & S5 only.

3) Just because the car won't launch with a 2.0T here doesn't mean that it won't come after a year or two. It won't be the first time Audi has done something like that.

Yes, I know about the DSG and that's why I listed it as an "option".
It is coming though.

Yes, they may bring the 2.0T as some rumors have it, but not having it at launch will lead to many not buying and slow or low initial sales may make Audi rethink. Hopefully, it'll make them rethink their bad decision.
More "upscale" shouldn't mean less choice.
After all this is still in the A4 territory, and that is not that exclusive.
Any car can be made more "upscale" by giving it more and more options
An A4 2.0T isn't more downscale to the V6 A4 because it has a smaller engine. Besides, there is talk of a Euro S5 with a 1.8T engine.

[b6onboost]

the 2.0T may come out later on in North America. most new cars in north america come with the bigger engine first, followed by the lower models.

however, audi may be trying to follow Mercedes in the coupe market. MB only offers the CLK coupe and vert in 350, 500, or AMG 55. They don't use their 230 kompressor in the coupes, just the C class sedan and that little hatchback.

[yoogene83]

i still think its an atrocity they aren't offering the 3.0tdi here

[4-tified]

the 2.0T may come out later on in North America. most new cars in north america come with the bigger engine first, followed by the lower models.

however, audi may be trying to follow Mercedes in the coupe market. MB only offers the CLK coupe and vert in 350, 500, or AMG 55. They don't use their 230 kompressor in the coupes, just the C class sedan and that little hatchback.


Yes. Sometimes it does seem that Audi plays more to MB.

I don't agree with your comment on the bigger engine coming first to America. Many cars are introduced initially with best selling market segment engines, and more often high powered versions come later.
The new TT came to the US market knowing with the 2.0T and V6 option. The new GTi came initially with the 2.0T and the VR6 is coming much later in the R32. The A4 came with the 2.0T as the initial engine and the V6 option came after.

My intent with this thread is to check interest in a 2.0T A5 and would a 2.0T variant make you more likely to consider buying an A5?

I like coupes, but they are much less practical. Many people like the A5, especially A4 owners. However, how much cross over is there in reality?
How many would opt for a 2 door coupe who have a sedan now?

[zxsuxr]

i still think its an atrocity they aren't offering the 3.0tdi here

who says that they arent? They will launched it in the Q7 & A4. They already sell it in the A5 model. Why not?

[Anthony]

I actually don't believe Audi is offering the A5 anywhere with the 2.0T FSI.

There is...

Petrol
3.2 V6 FSI
4.2 V8 FSI (S5)

Diesel
2.7 TDI
3.0 TDI

[switchface]

I agree with everything the OP said...id take a 2.0t a5 (cant afford the s5, dont want a 3.2 v6).


..hoping im not *forced* into the 335...

[Tinman]

I actually wrote an e-mail to the audi comment listing in march. this was it:


I'm a current Audi driver and fanatic (I drive a 2004.5 A4 1.8T6MQ USP, and am a moderator on one of the top audi-enthusiast sites). I have loved my car since the day I picked it up from the dealership, and have yet to find a car that I would want as its replacement. . . until a couple weeks ago. There were pictures leaked to the internet of the A5, and I just DIED. I instantly fell in love, and that love only grew as more pictures started to surface, and then the final release. But, much to my disappointment, the US is getting the shaft, so to speak, in the engine department. Of all the engines that you're offering other countries, we're limited to the smooth, yet boring 3.2 V6, and a slightly tweaked version of the swiftly-aging 4.2 V8. Where's the 2.0T for the US market? You want this car to compete with the BMW 335 and the G37, but it's not going to do it with that 3.2L V6. it's just not a sporty engine. It's smooth and sophisticated, which satisfies the needs of some of the buyers, but you're neglecting those sporty-enthusiasts with modding appreciation who have bought the 1.8T. I mean, that's why the Audi 1.8T in the B5 and B6 were so successful (and why there's such a HUGE VW following).

The FSI technology and engine design of the new motors is phenomenal, and I honestly wouldn't be happier if I could have the classic and gorgeous exterior of the B6 with the superior powerplant of the B7. Now that the A5 has made it's presence known, there's a HUMONGOUS response to it. Not only from the Audi enthusiasts either! I've posted pictures on the biggest current BMW site (e46fanatics), and it got such an amazing response from these hardcore, narrow-minded BMW drivers. They all noted how it looked similar to the e92 3-coupe, but if BMW had done it right, and that the interior was pure Audi, and unrivaled. So many members acknowledged how great the car looked and how they want to convert. (There's a great market right now, since the BMW design is ghastly, and many German purists just don't want to touch anything from Japan.) The problem, however, is that you're not offering the sportiest engine in the car! The 3.2 is civilized, but boring. The 4.2 is heavy, old, and nothing special. But the 2.0T offers SO much potential, and you guys are simply ignoring that. If there's a hardcore performance junky who wants to buy a fast car and not touch it, they'll probably buy an M3. The new M3 offers some pretty amazing numbers, and it's cheaper than the RS4. The 335 is also a great car for the money, and that engine with just a chip is beyond current M3 numbers.

The thing that you guys have done well is turbos. The B5 S4, RS4, RS6, etc. . . those are the staples of you line. The vehicles that really show through and cause such enthusiasm. The B5 2.8, B6 3.slow, etc are not drivers' cars. An S/RS should be forced-induction. That's the heritage. That's the preference. That's what Audi did so well. The B5S4 is STILL a monster! There are tons of videos online of them demolishing Corvette Z06s, BMW M5s, and the like, and the car is almost 10 years old.

Bottom line, you will be making a huge mistake and missing a grand almost certain chunk of the market if you do not offer the performance enthusiasts the car that they want. Why would someone want to spend $50k+ on an S5 with a big, bulky, outdated V8 when they could spend $35k on an A52.0T, and then drop $5k on a turbo kit with forged internals, and make almost 100chp more than the V8 with better fuel economy and a HELLUVA lot more fun?

I'm back in the place where I don't know what I want my next car to be. I'd love to stay with the 4-rings. . . I really would. I love my A4. The lines of the B6 put a smile on my face everyday. The B7's design is mediocre at best. It's grown on me a bit, but it doesn't have that classic styling of the B6, B5, etc. HOPEFULLY the B8 won't be a Bangle-esk approach to design, and look pretty good. I'd like to consider that with the 2.0T. Otherwise, I think I'll unfortunately have to go to BMW. Not because I want to, but because it affords me the modability and expandability that I love in a car, as well as performance that's unbeatable by Audi's current offerings. The A5 is a coupe, which is far sportier than the family sedan. But why put the sporty little engine in the less-sporty car and the more-refined, plain-jane engine in the sporty shell? It's a call that I don't understand, and I just wanted to voice my extreme disapproval.

I doubt that this will actually get to anyone, but just typing it out and making an effort to talk to you guys about it makes me feel a little better. What more can I do? Please take my comments to heart. I really don't want to see you guys make such a mistake.

this was the response I got a couple days later:


Dear Ben:

Thank you for contacting Audi of America.

We certainly appreciate you taking the time to share your comments with us. We welcome feedback from our customers regarding their experience and preferences.

We are glad to hear of your liking for the 2.0 engine, which is indeed an excellent one. As you know, it is featured in both the A3 and the A4. We hope you will wait to choose your next performance car until you try the A5! Or, for really sporty, the S5. Both are, by all accounts so far, eminently satisfying.

Your note has been forwarded to the appropriate individuals. We look forward to hearing from you again if we can help with any information or be of any further assistance.

Again, thank you for contacting Audi.

Marjorie
AudiTalk

as you can tell, they didn't read what I wrote, and pasted a cookie-cutter response.

oh well. worth a try at least.


L8

[DeMOROlized]

Yes, I know about the DSG and that's why I listed it as an "option".
It is coming though.

If the longitudinal DSG is physically not available how can it be an option?


Yes, they may bring the 2.0T as some rumors have it, but not having it at launch will lead to many not buying and slow or low initial sales may make Audi rethink. Hopefully, it'll make them rethink their bad decision.
More "upscale" shouldn't mean less choice.
After all this is still in the A4 territory, and that is not that exclusive.

You've obviously been spoiled by your Audi. Many people can't even begin to imagine having an A4, because they just can't afford it.


Any car can be made more "upscale" by giving it more and more options
An A4 2.0T isn't more downscale to the V6 A4 because it has a smaller engine. Besides, there is talk of a Euro S5 with a 1.8T engine.

Being upscale has thing to do with options. It has to do with the design, quality, performance, and the target audience. For example, you can't make a Dodge Neon upscale, even if you give it all the options in the world. Conversely, many hard-core supercars lack many options that can be found in everyday cars, but are you calling a Ferrari or Lambo not upscale? (Yes these are extreme examples, but they perfectly illustrate my point.)

What Audi is doing here is what the marketing people call an "image building exercise". Create an aura of desirability for a product, so that people will want to buy it, even if they can't afford it. Then a year or two down the road, Audi will bring out the smaller engine so that more people can afford it. Bringing out the 2.0T at launch will flood the market with them & that will create the general perception that the A5 is a 4 cylinder car. And the sad marketing reality is that for the general North American public, 4 cylinder = underpowered car = undesirable. Many people won't even bother to find out if it can be equipped with a V6. The Audi marque in North America still isn't tier-1 premium enough to overcome this.

Furthermore, bringing out the A5 2.0T now will further cannibalize the sales of the end-of-cycle B7 A4s, as well as the higher margin TTs.

From a car enthusiast point of view, I too wish they would bring out the 2.0T at launch, but from a business point of view, I think Audi is doing the right thing.

[QuaTTrings]

I agree with Moro. Audi thought of this already as it relates to their image and it was definitely a business and Marketing decision. They spent a lot of time and money considering what goals they were trying to reach in the marketplace and IMO they did the right thing. Could you imagine what the average US consumer would think of an Audi Coupe that after 11 years comes out with a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine with 200bhp? Imagine it going up against the 328 and G35? No way it would lead in tests and get the respect of the major automotive magazines out there.

Audi decided to make the press on the S5, which is currently being tested in the magazines, and even people with the attention span of a lizard will remember it for at least a few months. Audi's image with this model line is supposed to be upscale and the 2.0t aint going to cut it. I have a 2.0t in the house and honestly the power output and fuel mileage are decent but it sounds like an economy engine next to Audi's V8 and V6s. It does have potential with a chip/exhaust, etc but the target audience for Audi isn't us enthusiasts. Yes, they are neglecting us but it might be for a good business reason. We as a group are more expensive for Audi to maintain because we chip our cars and drive them hard. Greater replacement intervals for brake pads, clutches, blown turbos, etc are more likely with the enthusiast crowd than it is for the model 45-55yr old business man that just leaves his car alone. I don't think Audi will bring the 2.0t out for this line, even down the road. It's not an engine that should be in a car that costs 40+ large and even if it helped bring the price down to 35k, how would it compare to the G37 that offers 330 horsepower for about the same cost (http://www.forbesautos.com/gallery/2008/infiniti/g37_coupe/)? You'd have to spend $5000 extra on the engine and the loss of your Audi warranty to even compete.

Personally I am anxious to see that 3.0 TDI made available throughout the line next year (in the U.S.) as they have mentioned. That will be a worthwhile motor and I believe will sell much better than they are anticipating.

[4-tified]

I agree with Moro. Audi thought of this already as it relates to their image and it was definitely a business and Marketing decision. They spent a lot of time and money considering what goals they were trying to reach in the marketplace and IMO they did the right thing. Could you imagine what the average US consumer would think of an Audi Coupe that after 11 years comes out with a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine with 200bhp? Imagine it going up against the 328 and G35? No way it would lead in tests and get the respect of the major automotive magazines out there.

Audi decided to make the press on the S5, which is currently being tested in the magazines, and even people with the attention span of a lizard will remember it for at least a few months. Audi's image with this model line is supposed to be upscale and the 2.0t aint going to cut it. I have a 2.0t in the house and honestly the power output and fuel mileage are decent but it sounds like an economy engine next to Audi's V8 and V6s. It does have potential with a chip/exhaust, etc but the target audience for Audi isn't us enthusiasts. Yes, they are neglecting us but it might be for a good business reason. We as a group are more expensive for Audi to maintain because we chip our cars and drive them hard. Greater replacement intervals for brake pads, clutches, blown turbos, etc are more likely with the enthusiast crowd than it is for the model 45-55yr old business man that just leaves his car alone. I don't think Audi will bring the 2.0t out for this line, even down the road. It's not an engine that should be in a car that costs 40+ large and even if it helped bring the price down to 35k, how would it compare to the G37 that offers 330 horsepower for about the same cost (http://www.forbesautos.com/gallery/2008/infiniti/g37_coupe/)? You'd have to spend $5000 extra on the engine and the loss of your Audi warranty to even compete.

Personally I am anxious to see that 3.0 TDI made available throughout the line next year (in the U.S.) as they have mentioned. That will be a worthwhile motor and I believe will sell much better than they are anticipating.

Based on how I see things work in the auto industry, I respectfully disagree with you and Moro.
I am 42 years old, and my A4 with a 2.0T engine had a price tag of nearly $40k, optioned nicley.

Who said a 2.0T variant should cost $40k+ on a base model?
The whole point of offering a 2.0T variant is indeed to keep the cost down and bring more people to the brand. Exclusivity through higher price doesn't work too well, when performance isn't there.
If you don't like $40k+ for a 2.0T engine, why would you accept a mediore output V6 in the $40k+ range given what the competition has to offer?
Afterall, you can get a V6 with well over 300hp in a G37 for well under $40k.
The same reason why an A4 is offered with a 2.0T is the same reason why an A5 should be offered with a 2.0T, and it's price adjusted accordingly.

A BMW 3 series coupe sells for only about $1900(335i) to $2900(328i) more than it's equivalent sedan variant.
The 328i is the 2.0T competition, and the 335i is the 3.1 V6 competition.
Audi is missing a BIG sales portion here, especially considering that the lower powered 3 outsells the high powered/higher cost version.

My point is that Audi is pricing the A5 too high in the US due to not offereing an A5 to compete with the BMW or Infinti, and it's NOT a car in the same luxury/options league as an A8. It's in the same ballpark as the bread and butter A4, 3 series, G series.
I think you guys are buying into the Audi marketing theme that the A5 is something "upscale" or "high class". It's an A4 coupe variant pure and simple. It offers the same interior as the A4, based on the same platform, having same/similar options. The difference? 2 less doors, and a nice coupe body shape. Not offering a lower cost engine variant keeps a lot of buyers out.

From my perspective, I have to wonder if my $40k+ wouldn't be better spent in a competitors model. Why? Because a 335i or G37 has all the options and cache of an Audi A5, but offers much better performance for the dollar.
In business terms increasing your sales IS the intent. Trying to create some "higher class" standard by keeping high price points lowers the products sales ability in it's market segment.
3 years from now the 3 series coupe will lose less percentage value of it's new car cost compared to the A5, at least that's been historically true and up to date.
In the US, Audi still needs to build it's brand in comparison to it's competitors, and increasing sales levels will help that. Having "exclusivity" through higher pricing isn't going to do that, and the A5 isn't a limited production model.
Audi does understand this as it's going to offer a much broader range of engines and prices in the Euro market. Audi is even offering a 1.8T in the A5 in Europe. Will that lower it's European appeal? I doubt it, but it will surely increase sales.

I for one love the A5's style, but I am not drawn to the A5 simply because of it's high price to performance ratio.
A lot of people on here love the cars style, but how many will acutally buy it? That's the real business question.

[4-tified]

If the longitudinal DSG is physically not available how can it be an option?

You've obviously been spoiled by your Audi. Many people can't even begin to imagine having an A4, because they just can't afford it.

Furthermore, bringing out the A5 2.0T now will further cannibalize the sales of the end-of-cycle B7 A4s, as well as the higher margin TTs.


The DSG for the A4 and A5 is coming, according to pretty much all auto publications.
Maybe you misunderstood my use of "option"?
Here's what I wrote:
"So, would anyone else like a 2.0T version of the A5?
An ideal S5 for me would be:
2.0T with 230hp/230lb ft.
6spd short shift manual, DSG option
Quattro AWD
Euro sport seats with thigh extensions.
245/40/18" wheels/tires
Tinted Glass roof."

That's what I want, for me. That's an A5 with the "options" I would be interested in.
Your choices obviously will vary, as you like what you like.
I wouldn't want a diesel, but you do.
Choices. Cool. [up]

Spoiled? [:p] I work for what I have.
An Audi is not that exclusive. People readily spend $30k, $40k+ on SUV's and other vehicles. There are a LOT of A4's that sell in the low $30's.

Sedan buyers are not coupe buyers. I don't see anyone needing 4 doors and easy access rear seats jumping to a coupe just because the coupe offers the same engine.

[QuaTTrings]

I see what you're getting at, and I agree that a different option would be great, I just don't think the 2.0t is the engine to do it with. I can't see them bumping it up to 230bhp in the near term and if that was the engine powerplant available in the S5, it wouldn't be competitive with the rest of the marketplace. Most manufacturers like to think of the coupe as an 'upmarket' model for the main reason is that it isn't as practical and not a necessity. It fills the void as a second car for most people and not the main car. It can command a slightly higher price because of its desirability. I personally would like to see the 3.2 V6 with 280-300bhp, the 4.2 V8 with 380-400bhp to offer even more value than for us. I would even be willing to pay a few thousand more for the car if it came with a bit more performance.




An ideal S5 for me would be:
2.0T with 230hp/230lb ft.
6spd short shift manual, DSG option
Quattro AWD
Euro sport seats with thigh extensions.
245/40/18" wheels/tires
Tinted Glass roof."

[quattshot]

What I heard from Champion Audi months ago, is that the 2.0 will come here for sure sometime late 08'. They told me 6 months ago that the V6 and S5 will come first followed by the 2.0.

Why can't Audi bring the rumored VW R36 (3.6liter 300hp) motor to the Audi V6 lineup? Hmmm?

[DeMOROlized]

Why can't Audi bring the rumored VW R36 (3.6liter 300hp) motor to the Audi V6 lineup? Hmmm?

Isn't that a transverse mounted engine, and thus not suitable for the current & upcoming B/C/D platforms?

[QuaTTrings]

If anything, in the future we'll see the 3.0 TDI, hopefully. At least that engine can break 0-60 in under 6 seconds while getting excellent gas mileage. I wouldn't hold out for any 4 cylinder for the A5... A bit underpowered - a little too slow : unless it gets an upgrade of some sort. Take the valve-lift 3.2 FSI V6 that offers respectable performance at 5.8 sec to 60 and call it a day.


Isn't that a transverse mounted engine, and thus not suitable for the current & upcoming B/C/D platforms?

[Tanner]

3.0TDI will be used, it's just going to take some time. It's going to be available for the A4 and Q7 first, then available for other vehicles as mentioned by Audi. I'm just thinking that they may want to 'test' the market reaction to TDI engines first before they go full out with diesels in other models. Just my thought.

As for the 3.6L V6, it should be able to be mounted either way. Just because it was put in transversely in one car doesn't mean it can't be used another way, as long as it fits. Like the 2.0T that goes in either way.

[QuaTTrings]

Audi won't use it though. It's non-FSI and a VW platform engine. It would only be able to be used in the TT/A3 which have transverse engines. If anything, Audi will see fit to upgrade the current FSI V6 to a larger bore or through the use of turbocharging. One can hope...




As for the 3.6L V6, it should be able to be mounted either way. Just because it was put in transversely in one car doesn't mean it can't be used another way, as long as it fits. Like the 2.0T that goes in either way.

[Silververtu]

Isn't that a transverse mounted engine, and thus not suitable for the current & upcoming B/C/D platforms?

Q7 has 3.6 V6. Audi can put this engine into an A5 instead of 3.2 V6. However, earlier this year one car magazine had an interview with an executive of AOA, he stated that Audi will not go into horsepower revolution with other brands, will work on the handling and the design more in the next few years.

[Tanner]

However, earlier this year one car magazine had an interview with an executive of AOA, he stated that Audi will not go into horsepower revolution with other brands, will work on the handling and the design more in the next few years.

Also heard that AUdi doesn't want to share engines with VW in the long run.

And not getting into the horsepower wars, then what's this? :)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1180/1329707331_ddd44825d1.jpg

[raulg_usa]

Also heard that AUdi doesn't want to share engines with VW in the long run.

And not getting into the horsepower wars, then what's this? :)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1180/1329707331_ddd44825d1.jpg

That IS SPECIAL !!!

He probably meant Audi won't go into the horsepower race at the A5/S5/A4/S4 levels. RS is a another story, with another price tag on it.

[FINA4]

I actually don't believe Audi is offering the A5 anywhere with the 2.0T FSI.

There is...

Petrol
3.2 V6 FSI
4.2 V8 FSI (S5)

Diesel
2.7 TDI
3.0 TDI

In Finland they offer the 1.8TFSI 125kW option.

[Tanner]

Actually I just read somewhere (I think Fourtitude or another forum) the A5 is now being offered with the 2.0T in Europe. Makes sense, you see the old A6 with an 1.8T there....

[CyberPMG]

When I was at the Detroit Auto Show back in January, the Audi Club members had a chance to meet with people from AoA. Back then, they were talking about the A5/S5 being Audi's version of an Aston Martin. It's an image car that's taylored to more high end style (and price).

I think we may see the 3.0TDI arrive in the US in late 2008. The 2.0T FSI might also show up by then too, but the main marketing focus for now is high end style and sporty luxury (can you even say those two words together?).

If you're doing comparisons with BMW, the A5 3.2 FSI will best match against the BMW 330i/330ix. The S5 4.2 FSI will best match against the BMW 335i/335ix. The BMW M3 would match against the RS5 if/when that comes out.

I've also heard that the 2.0T is getting some power improvements for 2008 and will be in the B8 A4 with 220HP. That setup would work well in the A5 and go against the BMW 325i/325ix.

Seeing the 3.0TDI and 2.0T FSI appear late in 2008 should appeal to modders.

[raulg_usa]

When I was at the Detroit Auto Show back in January, the Audi Club members had a chance to meet with people from AoA. Back then, they were talking about the A5/S5 being Audi's version of an Aston Martin. It's an image car that's taylored to more high end style (and price).

I think we may see the 3.0TDI arrive in the US in late 2008. The 2.0T FSI might also show up by then too, but the main marketing focus for now is high end style and sporty luxury (can you even say those two words together?).

If you're doing comparisons with BMW, the A5 3.2 FSI will best match against the BMW 330i/330ix. The S5 4.2 FSI will best match against the BMW 335i/335ix. The BMW M3 would match against the RS5 if/when that comes out.

I've also heard that the 2.0T is getting some power improvements for 2008 and will be in the B8 A4 with 220HP. That setup would work well in the A5 and go against the BMW 325i/325ix.

Seeing the 3.0TDI and 2.0T FSI appear late in 2008 should appeal to modders.



BMW does NOT offer 325i and 330i anymore. The models for sale now are 328i and 335i and M3. That's all.

Audi need to have some engine to fight the 328 rated at 230hp, also something against the 335i (the S5). The A5 V6 holds well against the 328, as performance and look. The same with the S5 against the 335i(stock, of course). The only problem I see is the price, higher at Audi on both models. I would pay the difference just for having my quattro, but not everybody will.

As for the competition against the moded 335i (hard to compete with that) I don't think we need to worry to much. If we need to worry than BMW itself needs to do something about it, since the 335i moded will kill off quite a few M3 deals.

[Monizzle]

I want/need a car within a year, Audi.
Bring the A5 2.0t or die.

4-tified is 100% correct in everything he said. You obviously have idiots working for you so hire him instead.
Unless you guys are desperately trying to resist sales.

[4-tified]

I want/need a car within a year, Audi.
Bring the A5 2.0t or die.

4-tified is 100% correct in everything he said. You obviously have idiots working for you so hire him instead.
Unless you guys are desperately trying to resist sales.

[:D] Thanks. I'd love a job with Audi. I'll take a red R8 please.

[Maverick]

I actually wrote an e-mail to the audi comment listing in march. this was it:



this was the response I got a couple days later:



as you can tell, they didn't read what I wrote, and pasted a cookie-cutter response.

oh well. worth a try at least.


L8

hey Tinman, i feel for you big time. although i haven't owned a turbo car yet, after reading the forum up and down, i want to own one for my next ride especially on a A5. i think we should all get together and write them a letter, or write them a letter individually with the same concern. that will get their attention. you are a AZ moderator therefore you have the power and influence to start this, i will be your #1 follower.

for the B8 A5 S5 and RS5, i would like to see these engines under the hood. 2.0T, 3.0TT, 4.2TT, diesel versions are welcome as well.

[Maverick]

let's write letters to AoA together to bring their attention.

[Tanner]

Oh by the way, in your letter to Audi about dropping a big turbo kit and chip, etc. they don't really care about that. Most of the people I would gather, that do this, is a small percentage of all Audi drivers in the US.

From what I've read, the 2.0T has been discussed for the A5 but it'll be how Audi wants to market the A5, or in general their entire line of cars. Remember, Audi in North America = upscale market. Audi in Europe - everything from the low end featureless Audi's to the high end market.

[zxsuxr]

I don't want an A5 2.0T... this isnt Europe. America loves big engines w/ tons of HP!

[yoogene83]

the issue with diesels is that nobody is marketing them correctly in America. People associate Diesels with redneck trucks, 18-wheelers, and the old volvo's and mercedes of yesteryear.

the companies need to start upping the ante, try to get the word out there that diesels are actually burning cleaner, getting better mileage and comparable performance out of a smaller motor. nobody realizes that torque is what measures your sensation of speed, not horsepower, and if people started to realize that, then they would see what a bombshell the 3.0TDI motor would be. 240hp, yes, but 400lb of torque???? sign me up! And I KNOW with minor chip-tuning, you could be seeing upwards of 300hp and 500tq! then you can STILL GET 50MPG on the hwy? what's not to love? the noise? the black smoke?

current FSI motors sound like little diesels anyway, and the smoke is nearly gone, just look at the TDI bugs and rabbits roaming the streets. not to mention diesel is easier to produce which in turn makes it about as cheap as regular gasoline.

iono, if i ever get an audi again, it will be in the a5 with the 3.0TDI motor. until then, there's nothing i see that's worth my money...

[4-tified]

I don't want an A5 2.0T... this isnt Europe. America loves big engines w/ tons of HP!

That' why there is an optional V6 and V8.

The other post:

Audi wants to be upscale in the US market and everything else in the Euro market? Ok.
However, a base A4 is not exactly "upscale" in the US.
Actually, the A4 and 3 series are more "near luxury" not luxury cars.
And then Audi offers the A3.
Please. Like Audi will only sell the A5 to those who "understand" an "upscale" mentality.

As far as "luxury" is concerned, Audi is a very odd player as they tend to REMOVE "luxury" items from their models as they get older.
My 06 A4 has things you can't have in an 07 or 08.
How does that equate to wanting to be "upscale" in the US.

[Tanner]

I don't see the A4 as a "luxury" car. Sorry, never seen that ever to me at least. If you want to see what is luxury in the Audi line, then it's a fully loaded A6/S6 or the S8. Now we're speaking of luxury cars.

Aside from different interpretations of the word "luxury" and "upscale", Audi has always mixed up the options over the course of that specific model. Last year of the B5 Audi sweetened the deal with the celebration package. No different really than exterior S-line pieces in the last model year for the B7. And some options only for the V6 and not in the turbo four, like full leather seats in the V6 vs leather seating surfaces and vinyl on the sides. Then there's the memory seats removed also, which surprisingly was not removed in the A4 here in Canada.

I guess some of the things that influences how Audi decides on what things are options or standard, strength of the dollar, how much it costs Audi to package these and sell it here as somebody told me.

[Tiesto]

Memory seats were in the 06? Did you guys pay for that or what? Good thing I'm the only driver of my car anyway.

[DeMOROlized]

Memory seats were in the 06? Did you guys pay for that or what? Good thing I'm the only driver of my car anyway.

It was part of the Technology package back in 06.

[mickb6]

I know I am digging this up from 07 but I'm curious if Audi has plans on bringing the 2.0T to the US in the A5. Anyone know?

[t0mt0m]

rumors and rumors, i think its still up in the air with aoa

[Brian@AudiMV]

From AoA: A5 2.0T will have a 2nd or 3rd quarter 2009 release... it's on it's way shortly!

[A4-S-Line17]

Are you sure about that? looking to get an A5 in April but i love the 2.0T so maybe il wait now.

[DeMOROlized]

Are you sure about that? looking to get an A5 in April but i love the 2.0T so maybe il wait now.

I was told by a fairly reliable source a couple of months ago you can start ordering A5 2.0T in some time Q1 09 for delivery later in the year. But my source didn't mention delivery time frame.

[Gzo17]

Sign me up please.....

[Monizzle]

x2

i can't believe a year has gone by already since this thread first started...

[gods_kitchen]

finally some good news!

[4-tified]

2.0T, the NEW 2.0TFSI, would certainly make me think twice about getting the B8 A4, or the 335i. Please, please, please Audi, make sure you offer the 2.0T A5 with 6spd and quattro. Then, sign me up for a bright red, or quartz gray with dark red leather interior......maybe even white with red, nice.

[Clown4]

An ideal S5 for me would be:
2.0T with 230hp/230lb ft.
6spd short shift manual, DSG option
Quattro AWD
Euro sport seats with thigh extensions.
245/40/18" wheels/tires
Tinted Glass roof.



you meant the ideal a5??

yup, that'd be an ideal a5 to me as well.
However though, that'd make the people who owns an v8 S5 look bad somehow... just like the relationship between the S-Line and the real S. They look exactly(almost) the same~and nobody will rip the car down the streets daily...so it'd be stupid to get a s4, unless you love the v8! I love v8 too, but no money for that big engine...and the gas...

audi's trying to keep the "class" for the a5 series... at least that's what I feel

[Gzo17]

I was also told by a dealer that they are expecting them in 3rd Quarter of 2009

[4-tified]

you meant the ideal a5??

yup, that'd be an ideal a5 to me as well.
However though, that'd make the people who owns an v8 S5 look bad somehow... just like the relationship between the S-Line and the real S. They look exactly(almost) the same~and nobody will rip the car down the streets daily...so it'd be stupid to get a s4, unless you love the v8! I love v8 too, but no money for that big engine...and the gas...

audi's trying to keep the "class" for the a5 series... at least that's what I feel

[:)] A5, yes.

Many cars come with various size engines. I don't think that "lowers" anything. If someone's ego is hurt, then really, that's their problem.
Afterall, the A4 style comes/came with 1.8T, 2.0T, 3.1 V6, 3.2 V6,
3.2 V6 SC, 4.2 V8.
People buy what they like and what they want to spend.
A 2.0T A4 doesn't make the V6 SC S4 look cheap, or lessen it's appeal.
At least not to me. [:D]

A 2.0T A5 simply makes sense from a business standpoint.

[danielt]

i will buy this car when i can. Or the Q5. Not sure if i want an suv yet.

[SupraBlur]

[:)] A5, yes.

Many cars come with various size engines. I don't think that "lowers" anything. If someone's ego is hurt, then really, that's their problem.
Afterall, the A4 style comes/came with 1.8T, 2.0T, 3.1 V6, 3.2 V6,
3.2 V6 SC, 4.2 V8.
People buy what they like and what they want to spend.
A 2.0T A4 doesn't make the V6 SC S4 look cheap, or lessen it's appeal.
At least not to me. [:D]

A 2.0T A5 simply makes sense from a business standpoint.


It was in some magazine that american consumers (youth especially) like to "show it when they blow it" -- in other words, they want everyone to know that their model costs more than any of the other models, by show of exclusive exterior pieces, emblems, exhaust, etc. to the point where many consumers would buy an inferior product if it exudes a sense of exclusivity (i.e. Bose).

Like it or not, this is part of the selling point of a premium car, so it's hard to say whether this is the obvious choice from a business standpoint. Would the Mitsu 3000GT VR-4 twin turbo have sold more if there weren't a nearly identical FWD 160hp SOHC version running around? Maybe.

[BLACKa4QUAT]

the a5 is going to get the ccta 2.0tfsi 211 hp 258 ft/lb. the new 2.0t with chain timing

[t0mt0m]

the a5 is going to get the ccta 2.0tfsi 211 hp 258 ft/lb. the new 2.0t with chain timing


ccta? = [confused] intercooler type?

[BLACKa4QUAT]

ccta? = [confused] intercooler type?

what ever the new 2.0t with valvelift is. its the motor code, not sure if it is ccta in the b8 a5/a4. but the new b8 a4 2.0t is fmic, so i'd assume it'd be the same on the a5

[Clown4]

the a5 is going to get the ccta 2.0tfsi 211 hp 258 ft/lb. the new 2.0t with chain timing

if this is true, then it's gon be off the hook!!!
Yeh... but have to cut down the weight much more for a 2.0T haha

[t0mt0m]

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008/12/2010_audi_a5s5_cabriolet_unvei.html
PRESS RELEASE:

New 2010 Audi A5 and S5 Cabriolet - Quick Reference: USA Data

Key Points Summary
• The A5 product line is now expanded to include Cabriolet models with three powerful and fuel-efficient powertrains (2.0 TFSI 4 cylinder, 3.2 FSI V6, 3.0 TFSI V6 with supercharged technology).

So if the cabo is said to be released with the 2.0tfsi i would think the next coupe a5 will be released with the 2.0 tfsi engie also, looks like its all coming true :)

[Gzo17]

This was taken from Fourtitude:

QUICK REFERENCE: USA DATA
INFO IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Key Points Summary
• The A5 product line is now expanded to include Cabriolet models with three powerful and fuel-efficient powertrains (2.0 TFSI 4 cylinder, 3.2 FSI V6, 3.0 TFSI V6 with supercharged technology).
• A5 Cabriolet features ground-breaking soft top technology for elegant styling, superior room and storage space, and superb driving dynamics.
• Unique 50/50 split rear folding seats allows maximum storage flexibility
• Audi Drive Select (adjustable engine/throttle mapping, suspension damping, and dynamic steering) is a benchmark in the segment and industry.
• New optional quattroSport rear differential enhances agility.
• USA market launch for A5/S5 Cabriolet is Fall 2009, as 2010 model year.
• A5/S5 Cabriolet replaces the A4/S4 Cabriolet.

Design
• A5/S5 Cabriolet interior and exterior distinctive features include:
- New rear LED lighting
- Sport seats with unique interior color offerings
- Cloth convertible top features Audi Acoustic Roof technology for a quite interior.
• Typical Audi interior design is modern and sophisticated, with clear attention to detail, including 1 liter bottle holders in each door.
• S5 Aluminum-optic exterior accents include front and rear diffuser blades, mirror housings, and four exhaust pipes.

Dynamics
• Modular Longitudinal Chassis architecture is the foundation for a benchmark sport sedan.
• Extensive use of new ultra-high-strength steels increase rigidity of the body while also reducing weight.
• Repositioned clutch / torque-converter allows more forward position of front axle.
• Better agility and turn in
• Better axle load distribution
• Shorter front overhang
• Longer wheelbase = more comfortable ride
- Repositioned steering rack, lower and closer to the wheel carriers lowers center of gravity and provides more direct steering control/feedback.
- Sporty proportions and muscular stance enhanced due to longer, wider, and lower dimensions.
- Reduced front overhang adds to visual sportiness.

Powertrain and Performance
• The following power train configurations are offered in USA:
• A5 Cabriolet 2.0 TFSI specifications
- FSI direct injection with turbocharging
- Audi Valvelift System
- 211 hp – 258 lb-ft torque
- quattro® all-wheel drive (standard with 40/60 rear biased torque split) or FrontTrak front-wheel drive
- Tiptronic 6 speed automatic transmission for quattro model or Multitronic continuously variable transmission for the FrontTrak model
- Top speed 130 mph

• A5 Cabriolet 3.2 FSI V6 specifications:
- FSI direct injection
- Audi Valvelift System
- 265 hp – 243 lb-ft torque
- quattro all-wheel drive with 40/60 rear torque bias
- Tiptronic 6 speed automatic transmission
- Top speed 130 mph

• S5 Cabriolet 3.0 TFSI supercharged V6 specifications:
- S5 Coupe manual and 6-speed Tiptronic 354 hp / 325 lb-ft V8 continue for another year through the end of model year 2010; 2011 S5 Coupe will have 3.0 TFSI supercharger with 333 hp / 325 lb-ft, and manual and 7-speed S tronic transmissions.
- FSI direct injection with intercooled supercharger
- 333hp – 325 lb-ft
- quattro® all-wheel drive with 40/60 rear torque bias
- S tronic 7 speed double-clutch automatic transmission
- Top speed 155 mph
- Latest generation of quattro® all-wheel drive is employed, with asymmetric rearbiased torque split (40% front / 60% rear under nominal conditions).
- S5 Cabriolet only: New available quattroSport rear differential dynamically varies
torque between the rear wheels.
- Fuel economy is significantly improved over A4 Cabriolet .

Innovations
• Rear 50/50 split folding seats in A5/S5 Cabriolet (not available with competitors)
• Cloth convertible top for elegant styling, superior interior and storage space, and low weight penalty (for better driving dynamics)
• New head-level heating system with heated/cooled front seats
• MMI operating logic standard with central display screen
• Audi Drive Select – varies the engine, transmission, steering, and suspension damping characteristics to suit the driver’s preferences
• Audi Intelligent Key – stores service information in the key
• Advanced Key keyless entry and starting
• Bluetooth hands-free telephone interface
• Bi-xenon headlamps with LED daytime running lights
• Audi Parking System rear with rearview camera
• Electromechanical parking brake
• Hard-drive-based Navigation system with Audi third-generation MMI.
• Audi Side Assist lane change assistant
• Bang & Olufsen 505W sound system

Launch Timing and Pricing
• World auto show debut is Geneva auto show in March, 2009
• USA A5/S5 Cabriolet with all mentioned engine/transmission combinations goes on sale in Fall 2009 (as a 2010 model year vehicles).
• U.S. pricing to be announced later.

[Clown4]

^ YEH
and from the homepage
"# Initially available in Europe with two FSI direct injection petrol engines and one TDI diesel – 2.0 TFSI 211PS, 3.2 FSI 265PS, 3.0 TDI 240PS"

damn...looks like i'll have to trade in my a4 soon XD

[Uncle Sal]

All auto except S5? I guess the manuals will come later as usual? This blows. On the bright side, I think I'm looking at my next car!

[mickb6]

so has anyone seen any news of getting the 2.0T in the 2010 A5 coupe recently?

[mikeinaustin]

so has anyone seen any news of getting the 2.0T in the 2010 A5 coupe recently?

ping

[Wizard-of-OD]

It is coming
would be silly for Audi not to put the new 2.0 into the A5.

[AofC_RR]

It's confirmed order guide on it has been out since May.

[ultra]

who wants in ?

$NA Legal Disclaimer
DESTINATION CHARGE $NA EXCISE WEIGHT TAX $NA EMISSION FEE $NA CORPORATE $NA


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Year Model
A5 2.0T COUPE 2-DR AUTO QUATTRO($NA)

Exterior Color Interior Color
BRILLIANT BLACK($NA) BLACK($NA)

Options
HEATED FRONT SEATS($NA)
WOOD INTERIOR TRIM - DARK WALNUT($NA)
FRONT LICENSE PLATE - HOLDER($NA)
IPOD CABLE FOR AUDI MUSIC INTERFACE - NO CHARGE($NA)
BLUETOOTH/HOMELINK PACKAGE($NA)
AUDI MUSIC INTERFACE($NA)

[kmjmrq]

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/A5-2_0T.jpg

Here's the 2.0T A5 order guide for United States. First line of 2010 2.0T A5's are already here in the U.S. just matter of weeks until they release it to the dealership when prices for 2010 models are released.. My 2.0T is expected mid Aug to early Sept..

[mickb6]

I look forward to pricing

[mickb6]

How many would opt for a 2 door coupe who have a sedan now?

I absolutely love the styling of the A5/S5 and would go from the A4 to the A5 in a heartbeat.

Anyone know if the 2.0T A5 will be offered with the DSG transmission? Don't get me wrong, I love to row my own gears but most of my driving is city stop and go.

[mikeinaustin]

no dsg on a5. manual 2.0 a5 is 36k, auto 2.0 a5 is 37.2k. those are base prices. with all options & packages, they can run you 10k more. i have not found 3.2 v6 a5 pricing yet, please post if one of you find it.

[brownstud08]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/17/2010-audi-a4-a5-and-q5-priced-a5-2-0t-starting-at-36-000/

pricing and everything for the 2.0T A5.

[szinkuti]

Here is the first A5 we have gotten 2.0T
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4076/20090720145521.jpg
manual and auto

[kmjmrq]

szinkuti, do u work at dfwaudi?? i think i'll stop by and check out the 2.0t.. any s-line?

[szinkuti]

szinkuti, do u work at dfwaudi?? i think i'll stop by and check out the 2.0t.. any s-line?

yes i am a tech over here....and yes there is a black 2.0 sline sitting behind me..49k

[FauchX]

I was just at the local Audi Dealer (Edmonton Alberta) and there was 2 A5 2.0T . I think the sticker price was $50 or $55K. personally, I don't know who would want to buy a $50K+ car with only a 4 banger?!?!? might as well by a Dodge SRT-4 and have more power and better performance.

[szinkuti]

I was just at the local Audi Dealer (Edmonton Alberta) and there was 2 A5 2.0T . I think the sticker price was $50 or $55K. personally, I don't know who would want to buy a $50K+ car with only a 4 banger?!?!? might as well by a Dodge SRT-4 and have more power and better performance.

the base model is like 38 and some change....the one for 49k is fully loaded..premium plus plus plus....i dont think i have seen a dodge srt4 with heated seats and 4 wheel drive

[mikeinaustin]

Here is the first A5 we have gotten 2.0T
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4076/20090720145521.jpg
manual and auto

have you driven the 2.0 a5? whats it like (automatic)? the a5 is heavier than the a4, that may or may not be noticeable with this engine though. can you tell us?

[szinkuti]

have you driven the 2.0 a5? whats it like (automatic)? the a5 is heavier than the a4, that may or may not be noticeable with this engine though. can you tell us?

it feels about like the 3.2....its a bit more fun to drive cause it is slightly lighter has the turbo 4banger feel to it...this one is auto...people were going crazy for these things as soon as they came off the truck....

[kmjmrq]

hahaha szinkuti, soon as u said u had sline 2.0T, I was at DFWAudi within 10mins.. I test drove the white one.. very nice, feels better than A4 2.0T. I took some s-line photos... I don't know about 3.2, but looks like on 2.0T S-Line no more glossy black grill's...

http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200168.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200158.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200159.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200160.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200161.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200162.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200163.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200164.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200165.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200166.JPG
http://www.a5oc.com/photos/images/2954/large/1_P7200167.JPG

[szinkuti]

are u gonna buy it?....

[Tanner]

have you driven the 2.0 a5? whats it like (automatic)? the a5 is heavier than the a4, that may or may not be noticeable with this engine though. can you tell us?

Looking at the weight on audid.de, comparing a 2.0T quattro six-speed manual, the A5 is just a touch lighter than the A4, 1500 kg vs 1530 kg.

Those pics above, car looks sharp!

[20AE428]

Completely sucks they didn't keep the dual exhaust for the 2.0t on the A5. When do manuals come out?

[Tanner]

I think the manual A5s are already here. A5 order guide for Canada:

http://forums.audiworld.com/picture.php?albumid=88350&pictureid=217904

[kmjmrq]

are u gonna buy it?....

Yeah, I have one already ordered, its coming in late aug/early sept. Meteor gray/prestige/s-line/driver assist

[kmjmrq]

Completely sucks they didn't keep the dual exhaust for the 2.0t on the A5. When do manuals come out?

yeah manuals are already here too. DFWAudi had two automatic/1 manual.

[szinkuti]

Completely sucks they didn't keep the dual exhaust for the 2.0t on the A5. When do manuals come out?

single exhaust FTL!!!

[20AE428]

Euro pics of the 2.0T A5 show dual exhaust so I was surprised to see the single side here in NA. Makes no sense.

[kmjmrq]

I remember correctly, even Euro pic of 2.0T had single side exhaust. The A5 Cab 2.0T has dual exhaust though... No problem for me, since I was going to replace the exhaust to quad-tip anyways, soon as AWE comes out with it.. Only thing I was disappointed was the gray cheap grill and Y-Spoke.. I was hoping for different S-Line Wheel...

[DBV]

Unfortunately, the 2.0T comed with the double tip left side exhaust. Check out some pics and more info here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299744

[Alkivar]

did these get back the power folding mirrors like the '08's?

Edit: nm looks like they didnt.