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dingguhlbary
08-19-2007, 10:59 PM
how much power do our engines have without the turbo helping it out? just wondering how much the turbo helps. im sure it helps a bunch, but just for kicks[wrench]

GR-RALLYE
08-19-2007, 11:02 PM
Ive wondered the same thing... i cant imagine how slow the euro NA 1.8s are

sixfiveoh
08-19-2007, 11:04 PM
they made a NA 1.6 over there too...

Bic-Ball
08-19-2007, 11:18 PM
my waste gate was busted and my turbo made about .001 psi. the difference is definitely noticeable, but its not anywhere close to drastic.

ActiveMonkey
08-19-2007, 11:23 PM
maybe 110-120chp

speedydragon
08-19-2007, 11:41 PM
maybe 110-120chp

that's like 2hp on a mustang dyno ahah

CaSp3r9
08-20-2007, 12:29 AM
Well what does a stock 2000 Civic make... 105, 115 at best? And that's a 1.6l if I'm not mistaken. So prob 125ish haha

CaSp3r9
08-20-2007, 12:30 AM
they made a NA 1.6 over there too...

There is someone on here with an NA 1.6, I don't remember who though.

Mystthebird
08-20-2007, 12:44 AM
There is someone on here with an NA 1.6, I don't remember who though.

brunerune

GR-RALLYE
08-20-2007, 01:03 AM
brunerune

wow i searched him up real quick.... look at all that room
http://www.skjer.com/bilforumet/filter.jpg

Mystthebird
08-20-2007, 01:04 AM
the turbo had to go somewhere. isent it just the 1.8t - t
sorry i feel like that sounds like im being a smartass. i mean isent it the same engin with out the turbo

GR-RALLYE
08-20-2007, 01:13 AM
yeah it is the same but without the turbo and all the piping/lines coming from it theres actually room in there.

Bic-Ball
08-20-2007, 01:24 AM
yeah, room to put a turbo in :D

aytheory
08-20-2007, 03:34 AM
wow i searched him up real quick.... look at all that room
http://www.skjer.com/bilforumet/filter.jpg



this picture makes me sad [=(]

matt_mcmhn
08-20-2007, 04:07 AM
yeah it is the same but without the turbo and all the piping/lines coming from it theres actually room in there.

um.....room to do what? Something really cool like turbo your car? I imagine for the 2001's the difference would be a little more drastic, because of the K03s

biketsai
08-20-2007, 06:39 AM
I would think like around 130? just a guess.

Tiluleshpingen
08-20-2007, 07:56 AM
is the compression ratio highter on the N/A.. it has to be otherwise with 9.5:1 N/A they not making much power

Don Supreme
08-20-2007, 08:41 AM
um.....room to do what? Something really cool like turbo your car? I imagine for the 2001's the difference would be a little more drastic, because of the K03s

HUH???

The ko3s is exactly the same size as the ko3. What are you trying to say?

SurferForever
08-20-2007, 08:48 AM
HUH???

The ko3s is exactly the same size as the ko3. What are you trying to say?

that in 2001 the car had 20 more horsepower

tamadrumr88
08-20-2007, 09:10 AM
the n/a 1.8 made 125 hp at the crank... kinda makes you wonder why vw even bothered with the 2.0 8v for all these years [down]

Nebone
08-20-2007, 09:30 AM
1.6 n/a makes 105 bhp. My cousin has that motor in his 95 B5 FWD 5 speed. It also runs on propane gas now.

Many Mk4s use a 1.4, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 n/a engines.

There is a N/A 1.8 5 Valve like in picture above. That makes around 115 to 125 bhp.

The TDi would be a much better choice over all those n/a motors.

1.9, 2.0 (i think) and 2.5 TDi are available on the B5.

mike-2ptzero
08-20-2007, 09:39 AM
that in 2001 the car had 20 more horsepower

Only because the 2001 ran more boost stock, had nothing to do with the turbo. Basicly .4 bar of extra stock boost gave it that extra 20hp.

K03s was found in the 2000 and 2001. Then the K03s in 2001 got a 4mm shaft along with the K04-15.

Don Supreme
08-20-2007, 10:07 AM
Only because the 2001 ran more boost stock, had nothing to do with the turbo. Basicly .4 bar of extra stock boost gave it that extra 20hp.

K03s was found in the 2000 and 2001. Then the K03s in 2001 got a 4mm shaft along with the K04-15.

As I said, same size.

matt_mcmhn
08-20-2007, 12:21 PM
As I said, same size.

If I'm following your logic correctly, you believe that turbos that are the same size put out the same amount of power. That's wrong. The K04-15 is the same size as both types of k03 found in our car, but puts out more power because of the design of the turbine's fan blades. It's more efficient at pulling air through the turbo. As for the differences between the ko3 and ko3s, I don't know if that's because of the fan or not, but it's a fact that a 2001 with a ko3s puts out 170hp, as opposed to the 150hp in every other 1.8t model

Don Supreme
08-20-2007, 12:39 PM
um.....room to do what? Something really cool like turbo your car? I imagine for the 2001's the difference would be a little more drastic, because of the K03s



If I'm following your logic correctly, you believe that turbos that are the same size put out the same amount of power. That's wrong. The K04-15 is the same size as both types of k03 found in our car, but puts out more power because of the design of the turbine's fan blades. It's more efficient at pulling air through the turbo. As for the differences between the ko3 and ko3s, I don't know if that's because of the fan or not, but it's a fact that a 2001 with a ko3s puts out 170hp, as opposed to the 150hp in every other 1.8t model

When you say major difference in reference to the empty space it implies that the ko3s would take up more space than ko3, which we are saying is not true as they are in the same housing.

Regardless, the 170HP difference is mainly from the amount of boost pressure Audi programmed the car to run from the factory, so really its a mute point since a ko3 can easily produce 170HP. Therefore, the ko3 and ko3s would have the same effect and have no appreciable difference. [:p]

mike-2ptzero
08-20-2007, 01:54 PM
If I'm following your logic correctly, you believe that turbos that are the same size put out the same amount of power. That's wrong. The K04-15 is the same size as both types of k03 found in our car, but puts out more power because of the design of the turbine's fan blades. It's more efficient at pulling air through the turbo. As for the differences between the ko3 and ko3s, I don't know if that's because of the fan or not, but it's a fact that a 2001 with a ko3s puts out 170hp, as opposed to the 150hp in every other 1.8t model

150 or 170 hp stock both end up with basicly the same hp when running the same amount of boost with an after market chip.

GramCracker
08-20-2007, 02:02 PM
um.....room to do what? Something really cool like turbo your car? I imagine for the 2001's the difference would be a little more drastic, because of the K03s

I had two misfiring cylinders, and it literally felt like there wasn't a turbo attached to the engine. It was awful. The car took so long to get moving.

giorgos_B5c
08-20-2007, 02:28 PM
I also have a B5 1.6 NA.I don;t know about the 105hp someone said...Maybe it's an american thing.Mine produces 101hp.We have here in europe the b5 1.8 NA that produces 125hp.Oh,and as the guys said,the difference in hp is just the boost.My 1.8TQ has 180hp and runs 0.7-0.8 bars pressure....

Ewok_Fetus
08-20-2007, 02:34 PM
Damn Matt!! I cannot believe you are trying to argue with the two most experienced people on the boards here!!

Nebone
08-20-2007, 05:18 PM
105 hp is not different than 101 hp. My cousins motor is the 1.6 n/a 8v. First B5 was made in 1995 and his car is from that year.

matt_mcmhn
08-21-2007, 05:01 AM
I had two misfiring cylinders, and it literally felt like there wasn't a turbo attached to the engine. It was awful. The car took so long to get moving.

Yeah I had two misfiring cylinders a couple weeks ago too. It was ridiculous. The car sounded like a diesel truck lol

TQMB5
08-21-2007, 08:53 PM
If I'm following your logic correctly, you believe that turbos that are the same size put out the same amount of power. That's wrong. The K04-15 is the same size as both types of k03 found in our car, but puts out more power because of the design of the turbine's fan blades. It's more efficient at pulling air through the turbo. As for the differences between the ko3 and ko3s, I don't know if that's because of the fan or not, but it's a fact that a 2001 with a ko3s puts out 170hp, as opposed to the 150hp in every other 1.8t model

get a load of this guy. haha


don im sure you learned some good new and useful knowledge[:D]