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aytheory
08-16-2007, 11:46 PM
Lucky i haven't been driving it - this is the first time I went WOT and the first time I logged it

Ctapp - 91 oct tune, gtrs


123.44 0 0 0 0
123.82 0 0 0 0
124.2 0 0 0 2.2
124.59 0 0 6 2.2
124.97 4.5 0 6 2.2
125.37 4.5 2.2 6 4.5
125.75 4.5 2.2 6 4.5
126.14 4.5 2.2 6 4.5
126.52 3.7 4.5 7.5 4.5
126.91 6 9 7.5 6
127.29 8.2 9 7.5 8.2
127.69 10.5 9 7.5 8.2
128.06 10.5 9 6.7 8.2
128.44 14.2 8.2 6.7 11.2
128.83 0 0 0 0
129.21 2.2 4.5 4.5 4.5
129.61 4.5 4.5 6.7 6.7
129.99 9 4.5 6.7 9
130.39 9 4.5 6.7 9
130.79 11.2 9 6.7 11.2
131.19 11.2 9 9 11.2
131.58 11.2 9 9 11.2
131.98 11.2 9 9 11.2
132.36 10.5 8.2 9 11.2
132.73 0 0 8.2 0
133.11 0 0 0 0
133.48 2.2 2.2 4.5 0
133.87 4.5 4.5 6.7 4.5
134.25 4.5 4.5 6.7 4.5
134.65 6.7 6.7 9 6.7
135.03 9 6.7 9 9
135.42 9 9 9 9
135.8 9 9 9 9
136.19 9 9 8.2 11.2
136.57 0 0 0 0
136.95 2.2 6.7 6.7 0
137.32 4.5 6.7 6.7 0
137.74 6.7 6.7 6.7 2.2
138.1 6.7 6.7 9 4.5
138.49 6.7 8.2 9 4.5
138.86 6.7 8.2 11.2 4.5
139.24 0 0 0 0
139.62 0 0 0 0
139.99 0 0 0 0
140.39 0 0 0 0
140.81 0 0 0 0
141.19 0 0 0 0
141.59 0 0 0 0
141.98 0 0 0 0
142.36 0 0 0 0
142.74 0 0 0 0

mike-2ptzero
08-17-2007, 12:18 AM
No that does not look good. How much boost were you running?

aytheory
08-17-2007, 12:45 AM
17 psi - also my spark plugs are gap at 32 is that too much or should i go down to 28

aytheory
08-17-2007, 12:47 AM
what can i do - to lower those numbers

im going to add a heat shield and do some ducting work to lower IAT temps

Don Supreme
08-17-2007, 06:45 AM
Those numbers ARE SUPER SUPER high... A heat shield is not going to put a dent in that.

Isn't Tapp's tune written for 94 or 93 octane?

beejohn
08-18-2007, 10:09 AM
what fmic do you have?

next time please follow the log recommendations in this thread, makes it easier for us to find out whats going on (forget about 115/119 though since your ndbw):
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154595

aytheory
08-18-2007, 11:42 AM
alright next time - i will get some screen shots of the thing

also talk to tapps

he said it could be a bad MAF - since i got it off a seller here (some douche kid) - that sold it to me claiming it was new - then i found out it was a ebay referb - pretty pissed about it.

at WOT i was getting around 79g of air -

The timing seems to be too aggressive

my idle is perfect now

yah tapp's tune are usually for higher octane fuel - he made me a 91 octane file and this is way too much still - stupid 91 pos fuel - stupid CA

Don Supreme
08-18-2007, 12:32 PM
79G on a 90MM maf is still a decent amount of air, but I am guess you should be closer to 100 right?

aytheory
08-18-2007, 01:13 PM
80-90g

mike-2ptzero
08-18-2007, 01:41 PM
alright next time - i will get some screen shots of the thing

also talk to tapps

he said it could be a bad MAF - since i got it off a seller here (some douche kid) - that sold it to me claiming it was new - then i found out it was a ebay referb - pretty pissed about it.

at WOT i was getting around 79g of air -

The timing seems to be too aggressive

my idle is perfect now

yah tapp's tune are usually for higher octane fuel - he made me a 91 octane file and this is way too much still - stupid 91 pos fuel - stupid CA



He most likely made you a file for 91 octane found on the east coast. Tell him to make you a file as if you were running EC 87-89 octane which he most likely would have near his shop.



79G on a 90MM maf is still a decent amount of air, but I am guess you should be closer to 100 right?

Well remember he is here in CA running 91 octane which means less energy, slower turbo speed, less hp produced which means lower MAF readings.


Pretty sure he is the first to run a Tapp BT tune on CA 91 octane.

Don Supreme
08-18-2007, 02:26 PM
Another guy on here blew his motor while running a tap tune (for 93 oct) while running 91....

I don't remember if he was from CA though.

mike-2ptzero
08-18-2007, 02:41 PM
Another guy on here blew his motor while running a tap tune (for 93 oct) while running 91....

I don't remember if he was from CA though.

Are you talking T.A.P or Tapp Auto?

beejohn
08-18-2007, 08:47 PM
alright next time - i will get some screen shots of the thing

also talk to tapps

he said it could be a bad MAF - since i got it off a seller here (some douche kid) - that sold it to me claiming it was new - then i found out it was a ebay referb - pretty pissed about it.

at WOT i was getting around 79g of air -

The timing seems to be too aggressive

my idle is perfect now

yah tapp's tune are usually for higher octane fuel - he made me a 91 octane file and this is way too much still - stupid 91 pos fuel - stupid CA

no no screenshots, actual csv/xls files.

Don Supreme
08-18-2007, 08:52 PM
Are you talking T.A.P or Tapp Auto?

Tapp Auto....

I think he was running a 3076r.

beejohn
08-18-2007, 09:24 PM
was his motor built or stock?

a220vt
10-18-2007, 07:24 AM
Stock AEB pistons, Scat rods, 3076r. I have it running again now on the 91 file. I still haven't turned up the boost, but timing was fine for 10psi. My idle is absolute crap though, it goes from 10:1 up to 17:1, back and forth. aytheory, how did you get your idle to settle down? Do you have any pictures of your intake setup?

Rosati
10-18-2007, 11:49 AM
Stock AEB pistons, Scat rods, 3076r. I have it running again now on the 91 file. I still haven't turned up the boost, but timing was fine for 10psi. My idle is absolute crap though, it goes from 10:1 up to 17:1, back and forth. aytheory, how did you get your idle to settle down? Do you have any pictures of your intake setup?

My idle is perfect only on new plugs. When they foul up (since im running insanely rich) , My idle is just as you described.


Here are some intake pics, Its pretty much the only option.....

So ugly.......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/07-24-07_1842.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/07-25-07_1958.jpg


Even my mechanic told me I need to go standalone. I miss this setup

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/05-05-07_1846-1.jpg

Ill go standalone after I build the motor.

Did you guys run pig rich right away w/o any tweaking too? I'll be logging soon since i got my vag problems sorted out

a220vt
10-18-2007, 03:07 PM
I've gone through three different intake setups so far, the first two ran nice and lean during idle, except for the occasional dip and randomly dying at stops. This new one that I've made is probably the worst yet I guess. I'm going to make another one and try to make a straight section after the MAF. Chris also told me to try and put a screen in between the filter and the sensor. I put it in today at lunch time, but haven't been able to drive it yet. My car is fine just cruising around, nice and lean, but the idle sucks. I haven't fouled any plugs.

aytheory
10-18-2007, 05:06 PM
I was able to mod the set up - right now the idle is doing a bit better just a little bit of a bounce. It is the K&N with the ATP inlet - and right before the MAF i put steel mesh to straighten the flow - it has dramatically improve but not perfect - there is little room to work with and the only alternative is a custom U bend to get more distance before getting into the MAF

Poopie
10-18-2007, 05:07 PM
what kind of mesh did you use?

a220vt
10-18-2007, 06:00 PM
The mesh did pretty much nothing for me, I used some aluminum screen door mesh.

Rosati
10-18-2007, 07:03 PM
lemme see some pics then fellas

aytheory
10-18-2007, 07:45 PM
alirght going to have to wait for the weekend - because im at school so check back on Saturday

AudiA4_20T
10-18-2007, 08:35 PM
lemme see some pics then fellas

Yo Rob you still down for helping me with the 2.0? The project is starting like December 20

a220vt
10-18-2007, 10:20 PM
Here's a few of my current setup:
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/10/29101103448.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6896325)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/10/29101103474.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6896324)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/10/29101103464.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6896323)
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/10/29101103488.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6896326)
I think the DV placement is what's killing it this time. On my last "version", I had it angled up towards the turbo, now it's just straight in, and I'm getting backfires when I let off the throttle.

aytheory
10-18-2007, 10:49 PM
that doesn't sound good - you want the DV as far downstream as possible - i have my DV next to the IC pipe

maxspeed
10-19-2007, 05:42 AM
thats increadibly too much timing, unless, are you running the race gas prog by accident(if you got one)?

a220vt
10-19-2007, 09:12 AM
that doesn't sound good - you want the DV as far downstream as possible - i have my DV next to the IC pipe
How about a pic?

Rosati
10-19-2007, 02:26 PM
Nice setup A220 Not a bad idea


Anyone else?



Yeah clint, im still down , Problem is december 20th?" U got a garage? lol

bassed
10-19-2007, 02:37 PM
Nice setup A220 Not a bad idea


Anyone else?

http://BASSED.smugmug.com/photos/190111442-L.jpg

I need to take a few pictures of it now that it's complete and running[rolleyes] Busy as can be as of late.

Rosati
10-19-2007, 03:07 PM
Bassed, you run the 90mm maf w your setup? No right? But either way, we need a clean straight section for the maf and thats a nice spot as well


220 , whered you get those hoses that come off the turbo and the second curve?

a220vt
10-19-2007, 10:11 PM
They're just heater core bulk hose from NAPA, pretty cheap. I don't know how long they'll hold up, but so far they're doing the job ok.

audiFUEGO
10-19-2007, 11:40 PM
is it safe to run the filter on the maf? dont you get erroneous readings?

aytheory
10-20-2007, 01:17 AM
is it safe to run the filter on the maf? dont you get erroneous readings?

its the same thing - distance of the air filter will not damage the maf - i don't think you can even damage the maf even if you don't run a air filter - you just get a bunch of crap in your cylinders that you wish you didn't

the problem of the maf - is not it gets broken but it gets a bad reading because the air that goes gets a lower reading because it is so large and since the filter is so close to the sensor turbulent air does not have time to straighten out therefore causing a bad reading which means a crappy idle

a220vt
10-20-2007, 10:50 AM
So, do you have a straight section before the MAF?