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HardHitter
06-25-2007, 01:36 PM
I'm deciding on getting an Audi A4 for my daily driver and I was debating between the 1.8T or the 2.8. I have a 94 RX7 twin turbo'd and this is going to be my fun car but I'm sort of leaning to the 1.8T because although it is going to be my daily driver, I still want to have fun with this car because I'll be driving it more than my 7 because it will be in the body/mechanic shop for a while getting single turbo and paint done to it.

My price range is around $10k and I've been able to find a range of 1.8T and 2.8L A4's with around 80-90k miles on them but I cannot decide which would fit best.

I'm looking for something that still has some decent zip, something that I will be able to mod (exterior doesn't matter because either one I'll do the same stuff like tint, wheels, suspension, etc) bring to the snow (the awd is safe to go to the snow with no chains right?) and with all of this still pull good gas mileage. I would think the 4cyl would pull better gas mileage but with the turbo it may come in par with the 2.8?

Help on this would be grateful, thanks!

biketsai
06-25-2007, 01:37 PM
1.8 for suree

a4fann
06-25-2007, 01:41 PM
1.8t hands down.

HardHitter
06-25-2007, 01:51 PM
Yea I am really leaning towards the 1.8T because of the turbo, once you go turbo you never really go back I guess lol. I test drove an 03 1.8T A4 awd and although they seem to take A LOT to get the car going, I'm sure once I get some upgrades sooner or later, it'd be a nice decent daily driver. Not expecting to pull high numbers with these cars, just a nice clean exterior look and some fun speed.

I wanted to get an SUV as a daily driver because I have to lug around soccer balls and bags (coach soccer) and I wanted a 4x4 in order to go to the snow but the V8 in SUV's usually kill gas. Would the A4 awd be fine for going to the snow and how big is the trunk in the A4? I'm thinking even with a small system in the trunk I could fit a bag or two of balls in there with a bag of cones and then I can throw the 2 or 3 other soccer ball bags in the rear seats.

Kyle H
06-25-2007, 02:07 PM
If you want to upgrade -at all- you should get the 1.8t. The 1.8t has many many many many options for modding it, but the V6 has the PES supercharger, and thats about it.

If it were me, and I was in your situation. I'd get a 1999.5 1.8t Quattro 5spd Avant. That year has the updated styling, while having a more mod-friendly engine. The engine doesn't make much of a difference unless you're planning on putting $4k+ into it though.

In the snow, Quattro with snow tires rocks. I have dunlop wintersport M3's on my car right now, and I have to try to get my car to slide in the snow. As long as you don't bottom out in the snow, you'll be able to get through anything. I was passing fwd/rwd's and big trucks as they had to stop to put on there chains, and I'm 17 and it was my first time driving in the snow. [:)]

The trunk is big, but I don't know about fitting a couple of those soccer ball bags in the trunk with a sub/amps in there. An Avant sounds perfect for that.

Plus, Avants are just plain sexy.
http://images16.fotki.com/v298/photos/7/704725/2574341/IMG_0090-vi.jpg
http://images19.fotki.com/v23/photos/7/704725/4074145/_MG_0079-vi.jpg

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Also, if you have M+S rated snow tires and Quattro, you will never need chains. If you just have all terrains that aren't M+S rated, then you may have to put some chains on. I think the best idea is to have dedicated snow/summer tires.

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I found this pic from 4ring_jelly, thought it would fit well in here.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n92/4Ring_Jelly/My%20Audi%20A4%20Avant/DSC03136a.jpg

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from curbdawg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/TJALLEN333/My%20Cars/S4300347.jpg

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More and more avants
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/OutkastSL/100105%20photoshoot/DSC02478.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p19/dublife1/audi4.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y61/snwbrdlvr/CIMG0447.jpg

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biketsai
06-25-2007, 02:09 PM
i have to admit that avant is sexy. i love that color too.

HardHitter
06-25-2007, 02:59 PM
Your avant looks really nice, but I don't think I'd want to go that route. I know it's the best for my needs of lugging soccer balls around, but I won't be having this job for that long. I'll see how the sedan is, I think I'm going to go test drive one pretty soon.

Ewok_Fetus
06-25-2007, 03:19 PM
If you are looking for a DAILY DRIVER then I would say a 2.8. The reliablity is far superior compared to the 1.8t. Trust me, I own both!! :)

Kyle H
06-25-2007, 03:21 PM
Oh okay, that's not my avant, I wish! haha.


The sedans trunk is still pretty huge. At LEAST a 4 body trunk. [;)]

Have fun test driving! Before you buy, just be aware of when the timing belt/water pump was changed, and when the control arms/tie rod ends were changed. Also, make sure it has had full synthetic oil changes it's whole life.

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ewok, what's gone wrong on your 1.8t?

cleanandsimple
06-25-2007, 03:29 PM
I'd say if you want a reliable daily driver go 2.8. Anytime you mod a turbo car it just seems to add problems. In the snow the quattro is awesome. My car is lowered and i would say i was going through snow up to the bottom of my car with regular tires on.

HardHitter
06-25-2007, 03:36 PM
http://a474.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01064/37/42/1064792473_l.jpg
http://a461.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01064/06/43/1064793460_l.jpg
http://a219.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_23e2f5bda21ab9af5260ccca6dad54b2.jpg

That's my friends 2.8 ideally that's what I'd want my car to look like, clean and smooth just like that. Would make a nice daily driver

As far as the debate still, the 1.8

1.8T 2.8
Horsepower: 150 @ 5700 RPM 190 @ 6000 RPM
Torque: 155 ft. lbs. @ 1750 RPM 207 ft. lbs. @ 3200 RPM

40hp and 52ft. lbs more seems a big difference, especially in the torque section which is going to be needed to move these cars (heavy) The thing to think about is like you said reliability of the turbos. I've had my RX7 for 2 years now and as long as you find a clean and maintain the maintenance I think the care should run perfect. How much would it cost for a mod to bring the 1.8T to par with the 2.8? And when all said and done, will the 1.8t save you more gas (able to stay out of boost) or the high torque on the 2.8 will save the gas?

EDIT: Nevermind saw a comparison, 1.8T pulls 21/29 with 24 combined and the 2.8 pulls 19/27 with 22 combined. But the question again, with mods on the 1.8T how much will the mpg drop and with the drop in mpg, will the mpg to power ratio be greater with the 2.8?

derek2079
06-25-2007, 03:44 PM
check out my car for sale in my sig

HardHitter
06-25-2007, 03:57 PM
salvage title isn't going to work out but it's a nice car, good luck with the sale

Ewok_Fetus
06-25-2007, 04:10 PM
Mine ain't salvaged if you want!

Also, my 1.8 has had a new clutch, 6 MAFs, various boost/vacuum leaks, coolant leaks, electrical gremlins, burned out A/C, tie rods replaced, needs new struts, window regulator broken, cam chain tensioner, various oil leaks, noisy as fuck.... That is just a few things...

My 2.8 has only had tie rods and a steering rack done... Needed the steering rack ONLY because the shop that did the tie rods fucked it up... Both are 2001's....

Kyle H
06-25-2007, 04:12 PM
A chip (400-500$ depending on year) will get you to ~200hp, ~230lb/ft of torque. With the chip you will need a diverter valve ($35-$160), and a boost gauge is recommended.

I'm not sure on the gas mileage #'s, but I've heard that with the chip, you will actually get better gas mileage as long as you stay out of boost. I don't know how true that is, but it wont bring the mileage down too much.

Plus the v6 is heavier.


How many miles are on both of those?

Ewok_Fetus
06-25-2007, 04:40 PM
75k on the 2.8 and 100k on the 1.8... The V6 actually gets better mileage than my 1.8 does, the 2.8 is not MUCH heavier and is a smoother ride... The quality of the 2.8 is so damn nice IMO...

Oh yeah, not to mention that with my chipped 1.8, me and the 2.8 were head to head... With my other mods, I now pull on my wife while she drives the 2.8.

Kyle H
06-25-2007, 04:49 PM
That's weird that the V6 gets better mileage.

It really sounds like that 1.8t was beat on by the previous owner, that's a lot of stuff to go wrong. It's nice to get a comparison from somebody hwo has both though. [:)]

Ewok_Fetus
06-25-2007, 05:01 PM
I have had the 1.8 since about 65k and the 2.8 since about 20k... Most of the stuff has gone wrong on the 1.8 since I have had it... It was maintained by the dealer too and has all records... It has been a turd basicly since day one...

20A4Audi1.8t01
06-25-2007, 07:18 PM
1.8 fur shizzzzz!

pipe7284
06-25-2007, 08:20 PM
one punto ocho turbo

Poopie
06-25-2007, 08:34 PM
1.8t is the way to go. Take care of the car and it will take care of you. Of course at this point b5s will have a good amount of miles so things WILL happen. Control arms WILL go bad and so will wheel bearings. Some get lucky and don't have to replace as much, but I think most of the shit that goes wrong is maintenence and wear related on most german cars. Other wise, if shit goes wrong, start with maf, ICM, coil packs. Yes, I'm saying this because I can tell the future.

AUD-A4
06-25-2007, 08:44 PM
damn bro,if you weren't on the other side of the country i would have sold you my 2.8l for like $8 w/ the mods. unless you want to make a drive,lol.but as far as determining what you want,the 1.8t is so much more mod friendly then the 2.8l but way less reliable.so you need to choose what you want more. or you could buy a p.e.s. supercharger and then you'll have yourself quite a fast reliable car but it is expensive. well good luck and keep us posted

4ringAR
06-25-2007, 09:01 PM
ahaha, sweet! i made it into this thread!

1.8t for sure if you plan to do any modding(even if you say you will just do exterior, the mod bug will get you and you will probably want to do SOME engine)

avants are awesome, they look classy and can carry SO much stuff

Audi91a4
06-25-2007, 09:11 PM
regarding gas millage...I had a 1.8t and now have a 2.8(vr6) and the v6 goes through gas like its his job.

tomustang
06-25-2007, 11:02 PM
That's weird that the V6 gets better mileage.

more torque makes the engine easier to pull more weight

Ewok_Fetus
06-26-2007, 03:06 AM
Why is everyone so biased to the 1.8 when they haven't probably owned a 2.8 either?

98a4
06-26-2007, 07:04 AM
Because anyone who wants to go fast then stock for under 4g's picks the 1.8t. The aftermarket is 100x larger and its a tried and proven engine.

Thats like asking whys everyone go quattro when they havent owned a front track?

Nor_Cal_Driver
06-26-2007, 08:01 AM
The wun ate is the way to go. The 2.8 is heavier up front and not as fun to drive. It does feel more refined but I'll bet a properly running 1.8 will dust a 2.8 in fuel economy. The cost to insure is probably less on a 1.8.

onemoremile
06-26-2007, 08:21 AM
I have a 240 hp 1.8t and I'd rather have a V6 automatic for daily driving. They are smoother and don't lose half their power when the air conditioning is turned on. Once over 2500 rpm the 1.8 is quite nice but below that it is anemic. Pulling away from a stop with people in the car and the AC on it feels like there is hardly a real engine up there at all.

Considering your size needs you may be better off with an A6. The A4 is a really small car and can't be compared to any SUVs other than a mini like a CRV or Cherokee. A Ford Freestyle is considerably larger. A Ford Focus has a larger trunk and more interior room.

Black97a4
06-26-2007, 08:26 AM
cost is more on a 1.8t cuz of the turbo sir. and my 2.8 drives like a dream. 1.8ts tend to have quite a bit of issues. i have 127k on my 2.8 now and it hasnt had any problems~

Ewok_Fetus
06-26-2007, 10:04 AM
But the dude wants a daily driver! He has his fun car... Did you guys not read that? Also, the 2.8 is cheaper to insure... It is $20 more a month for the 1.8 than the 2.8... At least for me... Same company, same policy... Same years... A 2.8 for your daily is the way to go!

98a4
06-26-2007, 10:22 AM
20$ big deal that shouldnt even be mentioned.

But I agree, if hes not moding it, 2.8. If he has ANY plans of moding 1.8t.

/end

Nor_Cal_Driver
06-26-2007, 03:55 PM
Like he said, once you go turbo . . .

HardHitter
06-26-2007, 04:47 PM
I'll just have to drive both and decide from there.

I know sooner or later I'll want to mod the car, but the Audi's are not made to go fast well in my eyes I wouldn't put tons of money into the car to make it fast because like I said, I already have my toy car that I want to make fast (not saying Audi's are slow)

I want a comfortable and luxurious ride with good mpg and some good zip.

Nor_Cal_Driver
06-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Survey says?