how much power does the carbonio intake give ?

[kgny1]

no chip
just the intake itself
my friend claims 10hp, i think more like 1hp
and 1 lb of torque, he saids 20lb of torque

[Obsessed]

For a turbo, it's hard to tell. Turbos are hit or miss with gains without tuning. As for a N/A, the new cars can adjust to correct AFR and then gains are minimal. I really don't see gains being too much without a tune either way. Intakes are a waste of money without tuning, IMO.

[jcg05c]

i believe gains are very low, its most for the sound

[Tgr_Clw]

Expect to gain 0 whp and 0 wtq.

[Slo.Mo.Shun.]

You get sound at most

[edkwok]

Intake is for sound for B7
and if you wanna mod your sound, get an exhaust
so don't get intake unless u wanna hear pshhhhhhh pshhhhhhhh pshhhhhhhhh

[masterkush]

doesn't more airflow have to translate into something though?

maybe better throttle response?

[ice cream man]

once you get a chip mabey 2 whp or so.

[Obsessed]

doesn't more airflow have to translate into something though?

maybe better throttle response?

Some cases, worse throttle response.

More air equals, well, just more air. Oxygen helps in combustion, but add too much air, you sort of smother the fire. I know this is not 100% correct and technical, but just making a point here.

Part of making more "bang" is to get a certain ratio of air and fuel. Computers now use a closed loop system. This reads the senros in the intake and exhaust, then readjusts the AFR to reach factory results. This was done so that changes in elevation won't have such a huge impact, seeing as how the air is thinner the higher you go and this changes AFR.

So, more air equals just more air in today's cars, unless, yuo tell the computer to add fuel. Otherwise, you may actually lose hp and throttle response. You dump too much air and the mixture goes lean. This is not good for the engine either. On the Trailblazer SS, we had this problem. In order to get anything from an intake, we had to bring in a much larger amount of air than stock, making the Neck down larger too, then tuning. If you don't tune after the neck down was replaced, the vehicle ran very lean and ran like poop. Results were a gain of 14hp with the tune in that case.

[AudiA4_20T]

Some cases, worse throttle response.

More air equals, well, just more air. Oxygen helps in combustion, but add too much air, you sort of smother the fire. I know this is not 100% correct and technical, but just making a point here.

Part of making more "bang" is to get a certain ratio of air and fuel. Computers now use a closed loop system. This reads the senros in the intake and exhaust, then readjusts the AFR to reach factory results. This was done so that changes in elevation won't have such a huge impact, seeing as how the air is thinner the higher you go and this changes AFR.

So, more air equals just more air in today's cars, unless, yuo tell the computer to add fuel. Otherwise, you may actually lose hp and throttle response. You dump too much air and the mixture goes lean. This is not good for the engine either. On the Trailblazer SS, we had this problem. In order to get anything from an intake, we had to bring in a much larger amount of air than stock, making the Neck down larger too, then tuning. If you don't tune after the neck down was replaced, the vehicle ran very lean and ran like poop. Results were a gain of 14hp with the tune in that case.

our ECUs adapt fuel with air so you wouldnt run lean

[Obsessed]

our ECUs adapt fuel with air so you wouldnt run lean

Well, if you add only a little air, yes, but, if you add too much, it goes outside the limits of the ECM and would absolutely go lean. If you read my post again, you will see that the original reason for the closed loop systems were to adjust for elevation differences, not for dramatic modding differences. They can, in fact, go lean. Want to try it? Run it on a dyno with a full exhaust and a large diameter intake on it and you will see it will be lean.

[4-tified]

It add's 100hp![up]


Not really.


It's an expensive cosmetic piece that makes a louder intake sound.
I like a louder cool intake sound, but not for that kind of money. [:p]

[GTO]

no power, cool noise, buy a cheaper intake for the same effect.

[Obsessed]

Actually, I just had a thread on the S4 about this. Do a search and see if there is a silencer for your car. Removing that will cause a similar sound without losing hp. If you put on an intake just for sound, you risk getting warmer air than your stock air box.

[b6onboost]

Chipped or stock, Carbonio produces no gains on the 1.8T. any 'cold air' is getting super heated by the turbo, negating the effect of lower air intake temps.

Carbonio looks the best but performs the same as cheaper intakes. Its mainly for sound. You'll be able to hear your turbo and DV much more.

[Obsessed]

Chipped or stock, Carbonio produces no gains on the 1.8T. any 'cold air' is getting super heated by the turbo, negating the effect of lower air intake temps.


Where did you get that information from? Can you post a credible source please?

This seems to be a common argument among turbo engine owners. I am not sure why. Let's look at this two different ways.

Heat = energy. In order to decrease energy, it must be absorbed into something else. Therefore, a hot object will dissapate heat onto anything that it comes into contact with that is cooler. Air, whether it's 5 degrees colder or 1 million degrees colder, will help transfer energy/heat.

So, say your air is 110 dregrees. It goes through the turbo, comes out 160 degrees. Now, you drop the temp by 20 degrees from a cold air intake. It goes in 90 degrees and comes out 155 degrees. Is that a difference? Yes, that means the turbo did not "negate" the affects, it simply does not have the same affects that it may not have the same affects on a N/A car. Reguardless, science tells us it will have these results.

Can you prove otherwise?

[evoic]

Better air.
It feels as if it pulls deeper into the powerband.
Better throttle response.
Anyone that has one can attest to a noticeable reaction difference.

Also, a test and analysis by Bhvrdr (if memory serves me correctly) was done and it showed improved airflow, in the event anyone wants to argue the point.

Sounds great, regardless of what any bitter, jealous, cheap modder would have you believe.
Looks great, regardless of hat any bitter, jealous, cheap modder would have you believe.

.....And yes, it is too expensive if you pay retail for it, IMHO.

Find one from someone that's putting their car back to stock, not satisfied with the money they paid, in NEED of money, or someone that has enjoyed it and is now ready to pass it on to someone who's in the market for one.

Will it make your car go a bazillion miles per hour faster and have enough TQ/HP to spin all 4 wheels through all 6 gears?

No.

Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $400 for racing pedals on Automatics. [rolleyes]
Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $3,000 for heavier wheels that simply "look" good. [rolleyes]
Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $500, $1,000, $2,000+ for carbon fiber pieces to reduce 10lbs on a car with a curb + driver weight of nearly 4,000lbs. [rolleyes]

Everything's relative, people.

I wouldn't call the Carbonio a "performance mod".
I would call it an "aesthetic mod" would added benefits.

My $0.02

[4-tified]

Better air.
It feels as if it pulls deeper into the powerband.
Better throttle response.
Anyone that has one can attest to a noticeable reaction difference.

Also, a test and analysis by Bhvrdr (if memory serves me correctly) was done and it showed improved airflow, in the event anyone wants to argue the point.

My $0.02

We've had the "airflow" discussion on other threads that can be looked up.

"More airflow" does not necessarily translate to more power.
Just because an intake can flow more air, that doesn't mean the engine can utilize the greater flow capacity.

You can only breathe in so much air into your lungs (compare to cylinders). If you can fill your lungs to capacity through a 2" tube, then going to a 3" tube won't give you "more" air even though the 3" tube has a higher flow capacity.

What a less restrictive or freer flowing intake can do is allow the engine to take in that air easier and not waste as much energy doing the breathing.
So, it's probably easier for you to fill your lungs with air using the 3" tube compared to the 2" tube. You're probably using less energy to breathe through the larger tube.

[RenoAudiNV]

The Carbonio intake will give you:

1) Great Sound
2) Aesthetics
3) Noticeable throttle response

It will not give you any noticeable power or torque gains.

[marty was here]

0 extra hp on a real dyno

0 extra hp on the butt dyno

100 extra hp on the ear dyno

can we move on now?

[kristokes]

0 extra hp on a real dyno

0 extra hp on the butt dyno

100 extra hp on the ear dyno

can we move on now?

100% CORRECT!! [up] [up]

it's all eargasm

[Tgr_Clw]

Audi's OEM intake is so good that there is no real benefit.


doesn't more airflow have to translate into something though?

maybe better throttle response?

[johnnybravo!]

Better air.
It feels as if it pulls deeper into the powerband.
Better throttle response.
Anyone that has one can attest to a noticeable reaction difference.

Also, a test and analysis by Bhvrdr (if memory serves me correctly) was done and it showed improved airflow, in the event anyone wants to argue the point.

Sounds great, regardless of what any bitter, jealous, cheap modder would have you believe.
Looks great, regardless of hat any bitter, jealous, cheap modder would have you believe.

.....And yes, it is too expensive if you pay retail for it, IMHO.

Find one from someone that's putting their car back to stock, not satisfied with the money they paid, in NEED of money, or someone that has enjoyed it and is now ready to pass it on to someone who's in the market for one.

Will it make your car go a bazillion miles per hour faster and have enough TQ/HP to spin all 4 wheels through all 6 gears?

No.

Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $400 for racing pedals on Automatics. [rolleyes]
Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $3,000 for heavier wheels that simply "look" good. [rolleyes]
Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $500, $1,000, $2,000+ for carbon fiber pieces to reduce 10lbs on a car with a curb + driver weight of nearly 4,000lbs. [rolleyes]

Everything's relative, people.

I wouldn't call the Carbonio a "performance mod".
I would call it an "aesthetic mod" would added benefits.

My $0.02

Good sell me yours bro....Just yesterday i found so much shit in the "shit catcher" screen inside air intake assembly I borrowed my uncles leaf blower to do the job!well not quite.. I also wall-slapped the air filter. So much dirt n dust i had a brown "Pigpen from Charlie Brown" cloud hovering over...i swear the car pulled a tad harder after that..

[Dangler]

Good sell me yours bro....Just yesterday i found so much shit in the "shit catcher" screen inside air intake assembly I borrowed my uncles leaf blower to do the job!well not quite.. I also wall-slapped the air filter. So much dirt n dust i had a brown "Pigpen from Charlie Brown" cloud hovering over...i swear the car pulled a tad harder after that..

my intake was clogged when i went to install my carbonio...the idle is smoother now.....and no more buzz at my boost gauge...the clogged stock intake at idle the boost needle shook like crazy at around 15 vacuum...now its steady at 20ish barely any shake.....its not so stuffy anymore

[MOFSTEEL]

Better air.
It feels as if it pulls deeper into the powerband.
Better throttle response.
Anyone that has one can attest to a noticeable reaction difference.

Also, a test and analysis by Bhvrdr (if memory serves me correctly) was done and it showed improved airflow, in the event anyone wants to argue the point.

Sounds great, regardless of what any bitter, jealous, cheap modder would have you believe.
Looks great, regardless of hat any bitter, jealous, cheap modder would have you believe.

.....And yes, it is too expensive if you pay retail for it, IMHO.

Find one from someone that's putting their car back to stock, not satisfied with the money they paid, in NEED of money, or someone that has enjoyed it and is now ready to pass it on to someone who's in the market for one.

Will it make your car go a bazillion miles per hour faster and have enough TQ/HP to spin all 4 wheels through all 6 gears?

No.

Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $400 for racing pedals on Automatics. [rolleyes]
Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $3,000 for heavier wheels that simply "look" good. [rolleyes]
Keep in mind that this board is filled with people that spend $500, $1,000, $2,000+ for carbon fiber pieces to reduce 10lbs on a car with a curb + driver weight of nearly 4,000lbs. [rolleyes]

Everything's relative, people.

I wouldn't call the Carbonio a "performance mod".
I would call it an "aesthetic mod" would added benefits.

My $0.02

^^^FTW

BTW, my pedals were $309 and I have a manual [:D]