Geting sh*t for having a Tip

[swoardrider]

Some people on this forum in the past year have given me sh*t for having a Tip on the race track, but I tell you, after reading the last 2 pages of Audizine, I'm glad I stuck with the Tip. Seems like a number of poor souls are having nightmares with manuals and CVT's. After 8 hard track days, 15K miles, some days of hard canyon driving, chip with 100 oct, and T-pipe, my Tip has never skipped a beat.

I just hope I didn't jinx myself (knock on wood) [headbang]

[kwan]

TBH, nothing is fool proof. I was talking to a customer about our manual trans the other day. You could have driven a standard for years and you'll still need to relearn with our cars. The feel for release coupled with weight/way power is built on our cars makes it a slight challenge.

[kristokes]

thats b/c some ppl dont kno how to drive stick shift!!

[kwan]

thats b/c some ppl dont kno how to drive stick shift!!

That too... [;)]

I often wish I could put in the story "recommend driving lessons". Or just better product knowledge. "RTFM" would also be a good one.

[booch]

i love manuals, but i considered a tip in this car due to traffic and the more sport/luxury thing rather than just sport.

after test driving one, however, i found the amount of vibration and the sloppy feel totally unacceptable. maybe it was just the car i drove, but the 2.0t in a tip did not feel like a 35k+ car to me.

even with the manual, i think the engine can be pretty coarse (especially at low rpms in the higher gears), but i think the manual allows you to at least steer clear of the weaknesses of this engine

[Bob58]

Why would you care what anybody thinks about your transmission choice?

Why would you even give it a second thought?

It's your car.

Insecurity.... FTL!

[toaster]

tip is great.

if you live where there's traffic, manual can be a huge inconvenience.

once dsg replaces all tips, it will be a beautiful thing.

[MBoyd4motion]

Once the DSG can handle more torque and HP then I will be all over it. I get too nervous with manuals. I came close to ordering one. My installer was giving me crap about getting a tip again, but who cares. It's still going to be a fun car.

[INTEGRATION]

I love my manual transmission. Actually to be honest, I don't know how to drive a car with Automatic transmission and everytime I attempt to drive a car with Auto tranny my IQ drops about 80 points.

[swoardrider]

Why would you care what anybody thinks about your transmission choice?

Why would you even give it a second thought?

It's your car.

Insecurity.... FTL!

I don't give a sh*t what people think, because most of the time I out drive them anyways, Tip or manual.

I just think it's funny how I've gotten shit more than a couple of times on here from manual users, that I track my Tip, yet I've been reading about broken manuals for a while now.

Yes, I know I know, anything can break, especially on the track. And yes, my tranny can fall out tomorrow.

I certainly don't wish breakage on anyone, I just think it's funny how people have critiqued me in the past for having built a track car with a Tip

[Bob58]

I don't give a sh*t what people think

A guy who doesn't give a shit doesn't start as thread about it or go on to say how he "out drives" people who criticize his Tip.

Get over it and enjoy your car.



p.s. I have a Tip

[kristokes]

lol!

PS i have a MT!

[Coco Cardenas]

You driving a tip PUSSY!!!

Just kidding bro....rock on!

[slimmj0k3r]

[drive] i like manual. i would have stuck with my b5 if i had originally gotten it 5spd and if it had a better first owner. tip got potential never doubt that!!

is it just me or when i drive automatic cars (like my truck) i sometimes find my left leg looking for a clutch then i catch myself like oooh wait a minute [:D]

[exorcet]

my b5 was manual, but SoCal traffic made me opt for a TIP in my B7 - couldn't be happier with the choice.

If I lived somewhere that wasn't stop-and-go driving for 40% of my drive time I'd drive a manual.

Anyone know the 'limits' for HP/TQ on the TIP before one should become concerned?

[pyro]

i love my Tip...it makes driving in traffic in the morning muccch easier.

[baaudi]

I love my manual transmission. Actually to be honest, I don't know how to drive a car with Automatic transmission and everytime I attempt to drive a car with Auto tranny my IQ drops about 80 points.

Wow! That makes you more dumb than most chicks [:)]

[xplosiveg06]

I hate it when ppl bag on auto..... i thnk thats the stupid thing ever.

-i have a 6spd and my dad has a tip and i honestly like my dads better.

- people who bag on ur cars cuz its auto are just immature bitches that need to grow up

[swoardrider]

Get over it and enjoy your car.

Sorry Sideshow Bob58, I just can't seem to get over it. In fact, I'm so obsessed with it I'm starting a poll in this thread. I'd honestly like a count on what type of tranny people use, and how many problems people have with each type of tranny.

So please, first vote on what type of tranny you have, and also vote on how many problems you've had.

Example: If you have a manual, and the car has been in the dealer for a syncro problem, and then a little while longer it went back to the dealer for a tranny vibration, please vote once under MT Count (for having a manual) then vote twice under MT Problems (for having 2 separate problems)

[INTEGRATION]

Wow! That makes you more dumb than most chicks [:)]

Indeed! Never put me behind the wheel of a car with an Auto tranny. [drive]

[LAS]

6-speed and no problems.

plus, the wife likes stick.

[Mad_Game]

people generally assume autos are the typical 4 speed.
while you couldve made the 6 speed manual choice.

fortunately the audi comes with the 6speed auto.
so i'm gellin.

[kristokes]

i just gotta add that i love it when a chick pulls up in a MT car!!

it's sexyy!! hehe

[socaljoe]

I love my 6sp auto/tip, and not a problem with it so far. I can enjoy my coffee while driving in heavy ass traffic. This car is my 2nd auto tranny vehicle, the rest were all manual. I gave up on manual tranny due to the crappy traffic here, it just kills my leg. Nothing fun about driving a manual at 5mph.

[kristokes]

I love my 6sp auto/tip, and not a problem with it so far. I can enjoy my coffee while driving in heavy ass traffic. This car is my 2nd auto tranny vehicle, the rest were all manual. I gave up on manual tranny due to the crappy traffic here, it just kills my leg. Nothing fun about driving a manual at 5mph.

yeah traffic and MT = NO FUN AT ALL!! [=(]

[INTEGRATION]

yeah traffic and MT = NO FUN AT ALL!! [=(]

Really? I feel more comfortable being that my right leg isn't tired as hell moving from gas to brake and so forth. Being with manual I only have to move my ankle at most whereas in an auto car I have to move my entire leg. I think moving more weight and mass is more of a hassle than just moving a joint.

[evoic]

Really? I feel more comfortable being that my right leg isn't tired as hell moving from gas to brake and so forth. Being with manual I only have to move my ankle at most whereas in an auto car I have to move my entire leg. I think moving more weight and mass is more of a hassle than just moving a joint.

I absolutely disagree with you 100%.

To think a MT is easier to drive than an AT is simply trying to justify why your leg hurts all the time. [:p]

[Sick A4]

Ha Ha .. I just learned this weekend what the "S" on the shifter of my Tip stood for..!!! Damn, my A4 kicks A$$ and I still need to get it chipped. Its like I have a new car!!!

[lucifer]

yeah traffic and MT = NO FUN AT ALL!! [=(]

i live on Long Island, i know all about traffic, and i admit that manual in traffic sucks....but when youre not in traffic makes having the manual 100% worth it

[exorcet]

6-speed and no problems.

plus, the wife likes stick.

she sure does. [wrench] [:D]

[INTEGRATION]

I absolutely disagree with you 100%.

To think a MT is easier to drive than an AT is simply trying to justify why your leg hurts all the time. [:p]

I learned to drive MT before I learned to drive AT lol- one of the few. But my justification is that in traffic I can just use throttle-control and inertia to slow the car down, therefore in MOST circumstances eliminating the need to use the brake at all. And being a SoCal native you should already have noticed that excessive, unnecessary braking is a HUGE cause of traffic. So at the same time I'm contributing my anti-traffic-instigation policy. Of course judging distances and throttle control is a skill that took a few years to develop and master so for those of you new to it will find yourself slamming into the back of someone's bucket and then having them attempt to sue you because of the "what-car-you-drive-automatically-determines-your-income" stereotype.

As mentioned, ankle movement > leg movement, it requires more work and I refuse to work any more than I need to!

[Rippin]

Throw the automatic into tip mode and keep it in first or second gear and voila, you basically achieve the same engine braking in stop and go traffic as you would with a manual transmission.

[redhott06]

i wanted a manual but ended up getting tip instead and i couldnt be happier...im from ny..and i drive in NYC a ton as well..needless to say, i took my friends b6 6spd into the city once and wanted to kill myself... so maybe next time around, if the NYC trips simmer down a little.. but ive had no issues with my tip at all, almost 30k in a year, going strong.

[Fobia]

have fun with a big turbo upgrade and making your car somewhat fast.. your gonna be spending alot more money to strengthen your tranny then i will ever with a MT

[CaRJoE0220]

Here is my view. When I bought my car it was to be meant for work mostly. I got a chip and intake but thats it so far. I drive a lot and constantly get caught in rush hour. There are MANY times when im driving that I wish I had a MT but overall I am happy with my Tip Tranny. This car wasn't meant to be "fast" or at least to me and when I buy a fun fast car (not a DD) then I will go MT for sure.

[Rippin]

Fobia, everyone who owns an auto Audi doesn't necessarily want to go fast....from stop sign to stop sign. I'm sure those who do would have opted for a manual transmission.

[masterkush]

That car looks TITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!











aww, so what its auto lol

[enigma1406]

People don't make posts saying "I have a MT and my transmission is great!" You only see posts when people are having problems.

[INTEGRATION]

People don't make posts saying "I have a MT and my transmission is great!" You only see posts when people are having problems.

^ Glad someone else realized that too. Plus having a manual car gives you more options in how to tackle a corner as well as multiple different lines to choose from versus a manual. In tight corners I can swing the rear of the car out and maintain an optimal corner exit angle with minimal corrective countersteer all while losing minimal speed at the apex and exiting corners faster than my friends in their S2000s. Secret to doing something like that? You need a clutch and know how to use various clutching techniques in the middle of a turn.

MT gives you full control of the car- I'd rather sacrifice whatever laziness I can accomplish with a AT than give up being able to do cool techniques during spirited driving.

[evoic]

^ Glad someone else realized that too. Plus having a manual car gives you more options in how to tackle a corner as well as multiple different lines to choose from versus a manual. In tight corners I can swing the rear of the car out and maintain an optimal corner exit angle with minimal corrective countersteer all while losing minimal speed at the apex and exiting corners faster than my friends in their S2000s. Secret to doing something like that? You need a clutch and know how to use various clutching techniques in the middle of a turn.

MT gives you full control of the car- I'd rather sacrifice whatever laziness I can accomplish with a AT than give up being able to do cool techniques during spirited driving.

You do realize that with a TIP, we can shift through the gears as well, we just don't need to depress a clutch,........don't you?

[INTEGRATION]

You do realize that with a TIP, we can shift through the gears as well, we just don't need to depress a clutch,........don't you?

Indeed, but AT limits the amount of advanced techniques that you could use.

[davis449]

You do realize that with a TIP, we can shift through the gears as well, we just don't need to depress a clutch,........don't you?

Yeah, but Tip's down- and upshift WAY too slow. I drove both models and I have to say that even in "S" mode, the Tip kills this engine. It's like that with any sub-230 HP car I've driven, that's why I wouldn't get an Auto with anything less than 240 HP or so. Even then, I wouldn't get one unless it was of the DSG or SMG variety, which doesn't leave any options outside of Audi and BMW.


I learned to drive MT before I learned to drive AT lol- one of the few. But my justification is that in traffic I can just use throttle-control and inertia to slow the car down,

I am re-learning this technique right now and I'm getting really good at it so I don't miss my automatic Benz anymore.

[swoardrider]

People don't make posts saying "I have a MT and my transmission is great!" You only see posts when people are having problems.

Exactly. That's why I started this poll in the middle of the thread.

So far number of users between MT and Tip seem about the same. Number of problems seem equal too.

So, if everybody's telling the truth, the number of problems are probably "normal" compared to other car manufacturers. I'm assuming that most that have taken the poll probably have under 50k, seeing the cars are at the most 2 years old.

[INTEGRATION]

I am re-learning this technique right now and I'm getting really good at it so I don't miss my automatic Benz anymore.

Another thing the Tip guys are missing is that the car won't come to a COMPLETE stop using this method. If you gauge it right you can apply just the right about of throttle, stick it into neutral and your car will stop a foot behind the car in front of you. Stop and go traffic made easy.

[boostedsline]

Idaho=no traffic=6MT=[:D]

[SetOfAces]

I got the TIP not only for traffic reasons, and the fact that my wife didn't want another manual, but because of my previous experiences with VAG clutches. They simply don't feel smooth at all. They're notchy and fragile. In all three of my previous VAG cars that had a manual, every single one developed some kind of annoying gear grind. I didn't beat on them either. I didn't want that nuisance in a 37k car. The TIP leaves a lot to be desired, but it's not so bad with the "S" mode and being able to change gears with the paddle shifters. Believe me, I'd kill to have DSG, but I don't regret my TIP decision in the least. $.02

[boostnmuscle]

what is the "s" mode, and is it standard in all autos with TIP?

[AudiGuy666]

what is the "s" mode, and is it standard in all autos with TIP?

It holds gears longer

[MBoyd4motion]

what is the "s" mode, and is it standard in all autos with TIP?

On my Passat you could change it into Sport mode via a VAG COM.

[evoic]

what is the "s" mode, and is it standard in all autos with TIP?

It is a more aggressive shifting mode for the automatic.

There are 3 options with the TIP:

1. Automatic (Standard)
2. Sport (Aggressive version of Automatic)
3. TIP (Shift points controlled by you)

I drive it in Sport 95% of the time, unless I need the ability to quickly downshift/upshift for spirited driving in the twisties.
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[Dangler]

bitches are alway on my TIP.....

in all seriousness, Fobia mentioned that doing an auto upgrade will far exceed the cost of upgrading a manual trans as an arguement that its a waste to upgrade a auto tran car. But thats not always true. living in a country where the automatic is more prevelant, finding a shop that can build or upgrade your existing auto trans for a fair price is possible. though different stages of auto upgrades aren't evenly spaced as manual trans options, in other words. you can do a tq conv and vavle body upgrades for cheaper then a full auto trans replacement. buit there is no options really in between that are cost effective. so goin full replacement is the next step after tq conv and valve bodies. but the cost jump is big. but then again, a full auto trans from a local builder for me for my B7 would be able to handle 800hp. i was told the trans would shift very fast and very hard....not so great for daily driving.

anything can be done, if you got the pockets, to support what you wanna do. then do it up.

also looking at the areas where most people live.....you don't deal with traffic like Northern NJ, NYC, Boston or L.A. etc you think you have traffic, you really don't. remember east coast cities also are far more congested, and the roads are extremely are older, poorly designed, and don't get me started on signage.

[4-tified]

TBH, nothing is fool proof. I was talking to a customer about our manual trans the other day. You could have driven a standard for years and you'll still need to relearn with our cars. The feel for release coupled with weight/way power is built on our cars makes it a slight challenge.

I find the Audi manual to be quite natural with a minimal clutch travel travel and average lever pull distance. The car that really required me to "relearn" how to use it's manual was my 3 series BMW. Those manuals kinda suck in how the clutch works and how the pedal travels.
clutch travel is too long, the release point is way too high off the floor considering how far in you have to push, and there is a check valve in the hydro system that slows down the fluid which sucks because it second guesses the drivers clutch release decision. I have driven manual trannys for over 20 years, but once in the BMW it was very awkward to try and get a smooth start and smooth 1-2 shift.
My A4 has a much better manual.

But, neither Audi nor BMW can compare to Honda/Acura manuals which are simply sublime in operation, feel, and accuracy. Honda/Acura make the BEST manuals in the business.
Clutch travel is short and light, take up is smooth, engagement is instant and progressive, and the shift mechanism is short travel, accurate, and engagement has a bolt rifle precision. NICE!
Too bad BMW and Audi can't get it right. Of the German brands Porsche is the best, but still not as nice as even the Honda Civic Si.

[INTEGRATION]

I find the Audi manual to be quite natural with a minimal clutch travel travel and average lever pull distance. The car that really required me to "relearn" how to use it's manual was my 3 series BMW. Those manuals kinda suck in how the clutch works and how the pedal travels.
clutch travel is too long, the release point is way too high off the floor considering how far in you have to push, and there is a check valve in the hydro system that slows down the fluid which sucks because it second guesses the drivers clutch release decision. I have driven manual trannys for over 20 years, but once in the BMW it was very awkward to try and get a smooth start and smooth 1-2 shift.
My A4 has a much better manual.

But, neither Audi nor BMW can compare to Honda/Acura manuals which are simply sublime in operation, feel, and accuracy. Honda/Acura make the BEST manuals in the business.
Clutch travel is short and light, take up is smooth, engagement is instant and progressive, and the shift mechanism is short travel, accurate, and engagement has a bolt rifle precision. NICE!
Too bad BMW and Audi can't get it right. Of the German brands Porsche is the best, but still not as nice as even the Honda Civic Si.

I want my Type R back now. But the only drawback on Honda MT are the weak synchros...except for the 2007 S2000 (carbon synchros)

[4-tified]

I was reading about the new DSG, which should available on the new A5 this fall in the US. It will be a 7 spd and torque capability will be up in the 280-290lb ft. range.
I'm sure it will handle more than that, but it will be "rated" for that as a "do it all day" rating.

Once DSG becomes even more common I'm sure speed shops will figure out how to make a heavier spring set for the dual clutch.
In standard manuals it's common to replace the clutch as it's a one peice piece deal to increase friction material and holding power when upping engine power.
The biggest hold back in the DSG is clutch material and less surface area to hold, along with reduced spring force. The clutch is "2 in1", thus friction surface is reduced as well as spring force.
Address those and you've got it.

The gears and synchro's are not generally the problem when there is more power.

[INTEGRATION]

I was reading about the new DSG, which should available on the new A5 this fall in the US. It will be a 7 spd and torque capability will be up in the 280-290lb ft. range.
I'm sure it will handle more than that, but it will be "rated" for that as a "do it all day" rating.

Once DSG becomes even more common I'm sure speed shops will figure out how to make a heavier spring set for the dual clutch.
In standard manuals it's common to replace the clutch as it's a one peice piece deal to increase friction material and holding power when upping engine power.
The biggest hold back in the DSG is clutch material and less surface area to hold, along with reduced spring force. The clutch is "2 in1", thus friction surface is reduced as well as spring force.
Address those and you've got it.

The gears and synchro's are not generally the problem when there is more power.

I know this isn't a Honda forum lol but I only had bolt-ons with my previous car, it was more of a result from wear, the synchros are weak on them Hondas.

As for DSG, they'll work something out, hell they found a way to get "DSG" to work with the Bugatti Veyron and that's 1001hp and 922 ft/lb torque.

[4-tified]

I want my Type R back now. But the only drawback on Honda MT are the weak synchros...except for the 2007 S2000 (carbon synchros)

That seems to be a common theme in nearly all the Japanese brands.
Mits had a BIG problem with synchro's in the 90's. Subaru still does in it's current manuals. Mit's has fixed most of it's issues.
Honda seems to have a good handle in the past few years as well.

It's all about cost cutting by using single synchro's with lightweight materials.
Honestly though, most trannys are for "common" driving with low aggression and longer shift times with longer clutch engagement time. Performance driving requires faster shifts with short clutch engagement time and if you don't time it perfectly then you compound the problem with weak synchro's.
Still, it's better than way back in the day when if you wanted smooth and quite shifts you needed to be deliberate in the shift and use double clutching for downshifts.
Double clutching still works and makes butter smooth shifts in modern synchro trannys.

What year was your Type R?

[4-tified]

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As for DSG, they'll work something out, hell they found a way to get "DSG" to work with the Bugatti Veyron and that's 1001hp and 922 ft/lb torque.

They are already on it. [:D]

Yes the Veyron has a DSG type gearbox, BUT, when spending $1 mil on a car you can easily produce custom made clutch material/plates and springs.
The problem is not that it can't be done for the higher powered everyday cars, the issue is how to do it economically, as with most things.

BMW is coming with it's version of DSG and it should be available in the 335i which is rated at 300lb ft, and dyno's not too far from that.

[OutkastSL]

i have a tiptronic and i love it. All previous cars were manual trannies, but unfortunately i'm forced to drive a auto now due to my recent (5 years ago) paraplegia. although there are handcontrols out for manual tranny cars, but i'm not interested in spending $6500 plus labor to get them installed vs the one's i have that are only $800 installed.