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Rosati
04-20-2007, 08:14 PM
and most challenging.

Trying to figure out how to get that damn ATP mani on..... I know i have to bend an open end wrench , but at 11 oclock its not gonna be easy, any other ideas? if not ill just try n heat it over the stove I suppose... I want the car ready for show n go, so im racing against the clock
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-20-07_2305.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-20-07_2306.jpg

Never felt a ball bearing turbo and believe me it spins effortless....... WOW....

Question: see the red hose? What does that thin nipple go to? and the brown spot was jbwelded but i cant figure out what to do w/ it just yet..... any ideas?

More questions to come while i try and piece this together!

chris164935
04-20-2007, 08:25 PM
Any cheap-o wrench should be bendable with a hammer. Save yourself the headaches and get it over with. Trust me, you'll be glad you did. [up]

As for the barb fitting on your intake pipe, looks like a vacuum source. Is that the air filter attached to it? If so, are you planning on running Mafless? If so, see if you could run that air filter on the turbo and just get rid of the excess piping.

Rosati
04-20-2007, 08:35 PM
Long time no post man, Um. Ill bend that wrench thanks

ill take a few more pics brb

Rosati
04-20-2007, 08:43 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-20-07_2337.jpg

Looks like the MAF housing goes in between the black and red hoses... But what goes in the center hole? the actual sensor?

chris164935
04-20-2007, 08:45 PM
Long time no post man, Um. Ill bend that wrench thanks

ill take a few more pics brb

Have we talked on a different forums (mainly, VWVortex)? I just registered to this forums the other day. Definitely more action in the B5 A4 forums here than VWVortex.

Anyway, yeah, bend that wrench. It'll feel good to take out a little anger from whatever anger you might have. [;)]

What turbo is that, btw?

Edit: Just seen the new post. Never seen any adapters like that before. Might be for the older style MAFs from the AEBs perhaps? What year is your car?

Rosati
04-20-2007, 09:54 PM
98.5 AEB i think we spoke on Vortex bc i remember your engine rebuild thread


GT28RS

Turns out that im gonna have to put somethin in between those 2 hoses, find a new hose for the n75 to TIP and put the sensor iself in that aluminum housing

Ill start gettin those bolts in right now

A4_B0ostiN
04-21-2007, 05:06 AM
Rosati me and you cuzzz my vr6 supercharged vs your 1.8t gt28rs.............DROOL PEOPLE...

mike-2ptzero
04-21-2007, 07:41 AM
Have we talked on a different forums (mainly, VWVortex)? I just registered to this forums the other day. Definitely more action in the B5 A4 forums here than VWVortex.

Anyway, yeah, bend that wrench. It'll feel good to take out a little anger from whatever anger you might have. [;)]

What turbo is that, btw?

Edit: Just seen the new post. Never seen any adapters like that before. Might be for the older style MAFs from the AEBs perhaps? What year is your car?

That is a maf housing from ATP, which has holes for both the ndbw and dbw maf sensors.

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Catalog%20Images/vwaudi/vvw080-01.jpg

94jedi
04-21-2007, 08:12 AM
Rob, did you get it worked out yet?

Rosati
04-21-2007, 09:05 AM
wats up pat, my problem right now, is The Oil fitting from the filter to the braided turbo line is too small from ATP...and my stock one doesnt fit the 28RS

I got the mani on "OK " ill check for leaks later...

The oil line from turbo to filter isnt fitting, should i get an adapter? at like lowe's ? Other than that its pretty much smooth sailing

94jedi
04-21-2007, 09:11 AM
I don't think they'll have that at lowes. you might want to hit up a local tuner or atp for that adapter.

mike-2ptzero
04-21-2007, 09:13 AM
The person you bought it off of must have forgot to remove the adaptor when he took the line off. I dont think you will find that adaptor at any hardware store.

superman_006
04-21-2007, 09:15 AM
Is there any hydrolic/ hose shops near you?

Rosati
04-21-2007, 09:52 AM
Maybe so some parts by me are pretty industrial..... ill just take the thread out of the oil filter and bring both i suppose

But idk where to start looking

what kind of business do you think?


Either way, it doesn t matter.... My deadline is up. Tony @ EPL says that the ecu wont be ready until mid week .... For some odd reason, they took the ecu apart WHILE IT WAS SOLD! and when i called to go pick it up today, he told me he needs a week.

We got into a pissing match bc he didnt like my demands and i told him that im under the impression that you are a great businessman and very smart. I think you can put YOUR OWN ecu back together in less than a day for me. Why was this taken apart when it was sold? He knew it was sold and being sold in the first place. He refused to re tune my car the last time we spoke, So you tell me how I should react...

So in a nutshell , working on the car until 3 am last night and getting up at 7 30 and worrying about deadlines are all out the window and for nothing, So i wont be at show n go. Thanks EPL.

chris164935
04-21-2007, 10:10 AM
Maybe so some parts by me are pretty industrial..... ill just take the thread out of the oil filter and bring both i suppose

But idk where to start looking

what kind of business do you think?


Either way, it doesn t matter.... My deadline is up. Tony @ EPL says that the ecu wont be ready until mid week .... For some odd reason, they took the ecu apart WHILE IT WAS SOLD! and when i called to go pick it up today, he told me he needs a week.

We got into a pissing match bc he didnt like my demands and i told him that im under the impression that you are a great businessman and very smart. I think you can put YOUR OWN ecu back together in less than a day for me. Why was this taken apart when it was sold? He knew it was sold and being sold in the first place. He refused to re tune my car the last time we spoke, So you tell me how I should react...

So in a nutshell , working on the car until 3 am last night and getting up at 7 30 and worrying about deadlines are all out the window and for nothing, So i wont be at show n go. Thanks EPL.
That sucks man. Trying to work with Tuners sucks. I've had some many problems with BMFTechnologies and Custom Code.

maxspeed
04-21-2007, 11:07 AM
ive heard so many horror stories about Tony and ECU's gettin fried..

Rosati
04-21-2007, 11:32 AM
Man dont even lol

This guys been runnin it for a year but either way im selling the tune

Does ATP have an oil sending unit attachment? I visited one place and i have one more to go to on monday to get the hydraulic fitting , but if atp has one, then id rather just get it from them just in case these guys dont.....

Rosati
04-21-2007, 11:34 AM
Rosati me and you cuzzz my vr6 supercharged vs your 1.8t gt28rs.............DROOL PEOPLE...

The file is good For -300 whp w/o FMIC Rich, but factor in AWD and your FWD vr6 it should be fun, i wish we were headin down to Show and go bro......or at least I was [:(]

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
04-21-2007, 11:34 AM
Rosati Sorry to hear about the ecu thing, but atleast you that much closer to BT status... [:p]
u can give me a shout when u head to pagparts....
i'll take a spin over there with u if my car is not acting up

chris164935
04-21-2007, 11:36 AM
This is the part you want from ATP. (http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=ATP-OIL-028&Category_Code=OIL)

Poopie
04-21-2007, 11:59 AM
i wish my car was ready for show n go either. I need to wait for another ecu from chris tapp. Also missed the dyno today. I know how you feel.

Rosati
04-21-2007, 12:55 PM
yeah poop [down]

Thanks Chris! $12 damn, ill try the local place monday and if they dont have it, ill order (this piece is probably worth 1 dollar at most)

Bro definately letme know if your down ill let you know when i go..... Should be within a month or so

Im uploading some pics right now

Rosati
04-21-2007, 01:06 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-21-07_1532.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-21-07_1533.jpg
Never gets old....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-21-07_1534.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-21-07_1535.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-21-07_1859.jpg

In reality, the turbo really isnt THAT big......Its a nice size Not too big and not small at all, Im sure Tomritt or others would concur that it does actually look bigger in pictures

Well, im off to get a nice Mozzerella and Prosciutto sandwich....... and then worry about replacing the manifold to turbo studs later on......

Ahh... well i guess buying used is worth saving $2k

1 ate T
04-21-2007, 01:09 PM
Nice pics man. You're really makin me lean towards the 28RS. Do you have a dif clutch?

Rosati
04-21-2007, 01:44 PM
Didnt i tell you not to go K04 in a thread? lol i think i did.....

Im tellin you K04 is not gonna be enough..... Its starts out sweet and then all of a sudden, BOOM!it dies out !

I got a real good deal on this kit that i couldnt pass up Start looking!

1 ate T
04-21-2007, 01:45 PM
I can run a J31... Which is why I am/was considering it...

Rosati
04-21-2007, 01:57 PM
Yeah if i didnt find this kit , id still be K04, But i never even ran it to its potential, so basically im going from stock to 28RS

btw Stock clutch now , Stg 4 southbend in the works ......


" NO LAUNCH FOR YOU!" -Right fellas? [:p]

superman_006
04-21-2007, 03:42 PM
Man that thing is really starting to come together

Rosati
04-21-2007, 03:57 PM
Well i finished up the day w/ connecting all the supporting intake pieces, i just have to pick up some hoses for the N75 -> TIP and New root

The Oil return line to the pan looks like a MAJOR PITA... ill probably have to ask about it later unless someone has any tips.

Then after that, ill have to replace the studs on the EM and find a nice pair of clamps for the milltek and then figure out what to do w/ the Test pipe, because its holes are welded. ill have to Drill the holes out on the test pipe and then find a simple nut and bolt to put through

chris164935
04-21-2007, 04:00 PM
Did you already ditch the stock oil line? It might be easier for you to find an adapter (if it doesn't already fit) for the feed line to screw onto the turbo. It might also look a bit lame, but the car will be drivable... [drive]

Rosati
04-21-2007, 04:07 PM
Well i gotta wait for the ECU anyway on monday , ya know , I still have it and i kept it and would lean back on that idea if anything

Im beat, ive been at this since 9 this morning driving all over to get little pieces, parts, custom fabbing things

But my main concerns are those manifold studs and the oil return line to the pan.....

turboquattro068
04-21-2007, 05:12 PM
yeah dude the oil return line was a bitch for me too, I got everything together inn about 5 hours, the oil return line, and a fitting iw as missing was all that took me extra time!!! good luck looks great!

mike-2ptzero
04-21-2007, 07:01 PM
Well i gotta wait for the ECU anyway on monday , ya know , I still have it and i kept it and would lean back on that idea if anything

Im beat, ive been at this since 9 this morning driving all over to get little pieces, parts, custom fabbing things

But my main concerns are those manifold studs and the oil return line to the pan.....

What are your concerns with the oil return line?

Thought of buying all the parts and making your own?

Rosati
04-21-2007, 07:40 PM
Well the guy forgot to include a few things here and there and id have to compensate

The return line "forces" iself down when the actual connection is on an incline. The angle is very hard

So this should be real fun, ill just jack it up tomorrow and figure it out.

mike-2ptzero
04-21-2007, 07:42 PM
Well the guy forgot to include a few things here and there and id have to compensate

The return line "forces" iself down when the actual connection is on an incline. The angle is very hard

So this should be real fun, ill just jack it up tomorrow and figure it out.

Snap a picture when you get a chance.

chris164935
04-21-2007, 10:20 PM
Save yourself the hassle and go with barbed fittings and a high-temp rubber hose and cut it to the exact length you need. [up]

pac1085
04-21-2007, 10:22 PM
garbage. i did that when i installed my first turbo. I used the Aeroquip AQP hose. It started to melt and if anything metal rubs against it, it wears down. Not a fan.

chris164935
04-21-2007, 10:27 PM
Hmmm... The hose that I got from Kinetic was awesome. Never had any problems and it sat tight next to the turbine housing. This was some tough, think rubber hosing with threading in it.

BranCKY3
04-21-2007, 10:32 PM
Yeah if i didnt find this kit , id still be K04, But i never even ran it to its potential, so basically im going from stock to 28RS

btw Stock clutch now , Stg 4 southbend in the works ......


" NO LAUNCH FOR YOU!" -Right fellas? [:p]

No launch? NONSENSE. When you're ready to replace the clutch (within a few weeks) just start launching the shit out of it on the stock clutch [:D] I got mine to start slipping whenever I went into boost since I beat it up so bad... haha.

btw who's got the k04 now?

Rosati
04-22-2007, 07:51 AM
lol well ill experiment AFTER i have the Stg 4 in my hands lol

And Chris im not too sure about that idea either, i think the return line is braided for a reason, Its under a lot of stress down there the way it is twisted to fit....

Another question, I can only get manifold studs from ATP right?

AudiRacerS4
04-22-2007, 07:59 AM
Im not sure I would risk using a rubber hose, stick to the braided one rob. Good luck and can't wait to see this when its up and running

creechsa4
04-22-2007, 08:02 AM
rosati your setup looks sick. yeah bb turbos spin effortlessly. after a spirited run, my 2871 spins for like 2 mins after the car turns off. i love it.

AudiRacerS4
04-22-2007, 08:05 AM
i was looking forward to seeing your car at show and go but turns out I couldnt make it either due to a leaking oil cooler...

mike-2ptzero
04-22-2007, 09:29 AM
lol well ill experiment AFTER i have the Stg 4 in my hands lol

And Chris im not too sure about that idea either, i think the return line is braided for a reason, Its under a lot of stress down there the way it is twisted to fit....

Another question, I can only get manifold studs from ATP right?


THe return line doesn't see as much pressure as the feed line, which is why the oil line needs to flow down to the pan without any part of the hose being lower then the pan.

Head or turbo studs?

Rosati
04-22-2007, 10:12 AM
Thanks kyle when we pickin up another S4? : )

Thanks creesch



Mike, Turbo studs (couldnt find them on their website)

mike-2ptzero
04-22-2007, 10:22 AM
Thanks kyle when we pickin up another S4? : )

Thanks creesch



Mike, Turbo studs (couldnt find them on their website)



They are on there. Here is the info you might not have had


Manifold info
Precisely drilled for head studs and threaded (8mm x 1.25" for T25/GT28R/RS or 10mm x 1.5 for T3/GT30R/GT35R).


So you need the 8mm x 1.25 studs which they have on their Fasteners page (http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MIA-FST-030&Category_Code=FST)

Rosati
04-22-2007, 11:53 AM
Thanks mike Looks like i didnt look hard enough [:p]

TomRitt18944
04-22-2007, 12:12 PM
Lookin good! almost there

Don Supreme
04-22-2007, 03:53 PM
I have been hearing a ton of bad stuff about Tony @ EPL.

Rosati
04-22-2007, 04:04 PM
And im sure its not BS either. This guy spoke to me as if I didnt matter and i gave him a piece of my mind.

we'll see if he pulls through for me tomorrow.

There is no excuse or reason why he took that ECU apart when its been sold for 3 weeks

My seller didnt even know it wasnt ready to be picked up


Thx Tom lol watch that gearbox

AudiRacerS4
04-22-2007, 04:23 PM
Thanks kyle when we pickin up another S4? : )

Thanks creesch



Mike, Turbo studs (couldnt find them on their website)

real soon Rob the K04 is just not cutting it anymore [:p]

chris164935
04-22-2007, 06:35 PM
And Chris im not too sure about that idea either, i think the return line is braided for a reason, Its under a lot of stress down there the way it is twisted to fit....
Just for comparison, here is how my drain line looks:
Turbo drain hole side. We used cheap crappy clamps; it won't look like this if T-bolt clamps are used.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/chris164935/Images216.jpg
The whole line.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/chris164935/Images217.jpg
Oil pan end.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/chris164935/Images218.jpg

Rosati
04-22-2007, 06:42 PM
Thanks for the pics buddy I didn t get to go at it today.... Damn bbq's and girls drew me away

haha, on a more serious note, if worse comes to worse and i absolutely cant get it ill take that into consideration

chris164935
04-22-2007, 06:54 PM
Thanks for the pics buddy I didn t get to go at it today.... Damn bbq's and girls drew me away

haha, on a more serious note, if worse comes to worse and i absolutely cant get it ill take that into consideration

Nothing wrong with the braided lines, just that you have to make sure you get the exact length otherwise you'll end up with a line that is too long and bows or a line that is too short and have to purchase a whole new line.. With the rubber hose, you can cut it until you get the proper length.

mike-2ptzero
04-22-2007, 09:15 PM
Nothing wrong with the braided lines, just that you have to make sure you get the exact length otherwise you'll end up with a line that is too long and bows or a line that is too short and have to purchase a whole new line.. With the rubber hose, you can cut it until you get the proper length.

If you make a braided line you can cut it to exactly the length you want, then all you need to do is put the correct ends on. When cutting braided line make sure to wrap the spot you want to cut with tape, this will keep it from fraying as you cut it.

Rosati
04-22-2007, 09:50 PM
gotcha mikey plus Tomritts audiforum writeup helps, Although he cheaped out on us on pics ...... haha

BTW i should be able to get manifold studs locally, they are very simple, I thought they'd be specific I only need to replace one

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
04-23-2007, 04:53 AM
Lets hope Tony from EPL pulls through today... [up]

Rosati
04-23-2007, 06:09 PM
^^ Thanks bro, But of course, I call him at 4:59 (when he told me to call) .... and no answer leave a message and dont get a call back [rolleyes]

Its ok though, Because i still dont have a manifold to turbo stud and went to a hydraulic shop and still couldnt find a fitting for the Stock oil sending unit to Braided line connection.......

Ill be using all day tomorrow to go search for this if i dont find it ill have ATP overnight it w/ a manifold stud...

If all is said and done and i get my ecu tomorrow, I should be up and running tomorrow w/ lots of pics / Vids : )

Rosati
04-24-2007, 02:48 PM
Still not done w/ the install...

The oil sending unit adapter, Manifold stud problem, and ECU IS SITTING AT EPL (plus EPL tony isnt returning my calls He gave me no date for certain on when it will be ready and its almost impossible to get in touch w/ them, So no tune for me yet - - -ROLLEYES)

So everyting is done besides these 2 things.....The other day my neighbor , who claimed knew what he was doing, Drilled out a broken stud into the manifold, Upon doing so, He drilled past the wall on the runner and if you know the manifold,and messed up the threads. its the top left thread, i can actually feel air coming through if I blow through the hole and put my finger on the other side.. Not only that, but i used an 8mm tap to rethread it and its not gong in at all, its spinning, but not sliding into the thread.

2 problems, How do i rethread this? and what do i do to seal this thread up? Even if i get a stud in there, its not gonna be enough (with sealant) to hold air w/o a leak right?

I know i shouldnt have let him do it but i never tapped a hole and drilled out a bolt before so i figure id leave it to someone who knew what they were doing. BIG MISTAKE



TIA VERY MUCH

Rosati
04-24-2007, 02:59 PM
If i put in a larger stud, it should hold, if torqued in there nicely, But where would i get that?

Worse comes to worse, ill have a machine shop do it for me...... Im not buying a new mani.

what can i do in the meantime?

superman_006
04-24-2007, 03:02 PM
Can you post a pic... if in the right place you might be able to drill on though and use a bolt

Rosati
04-24-2007, 03:04 PM
Sure one sec


can you go on AIM aaron?

Rosati
04-24-2007, 04:17 PM
Nm thanks superman, Ill helicoil it and hope that holds... let ya guys know what happnes w/ that and EPL

_audible_
04-26-2007, 09:52 AM
jesus christ this doesn't sound like it's been too much fun for you. good luck man, hope it all works out and soon! your set up so far is looking pretty good.

Rosati
04-26-2007, 07:07 PM
heh.

Got my ECU from Tony today, who turned out to be pretty chill in person, told me to call him when i fire it up and run it. (even gave me a comp. Set of NGK's) Gonna gap em to .028 for a little extra umph

I had to order the 8mm helicoil yesterday, so Itll be waiting for me at My local Napa in the morining, After that, I gotta get my test pipe welded to my downpipe because it was welded before ,and when it was cut ,it was cut uneven and wont make a good seal (plus i dont wanna run a HFC)

So tomorrow, I should be up and running, No BS. The only thing is the weather.

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
04-26-2007, 07:16 PM
sahweet...
Hopefully i get mine running good this weekend

bitterchild
04-26-2007, 07:30 PM
Nothing wrong with the braided lines, just that you have to make sure you get the exact length otherwise you'll end up with a line that is too long and bows or a line that is too short and have to purchase a whole new line.. With the rubber hose, you can cut it until you get the proper length.

you do realize that rubber return line WILL fail right? The clamps are not the issue.

Rosati
04-26-2007, 08:56 PM
I went with a braided line (check pics)

chris164935
04-27-2007, 11:10 PM
you do realize that rubber return line WILL fail right? The clamps are not the issue.
Fail how? That thing ran for the past 9000 miles with no problems...

Rosati
04-28-2007, 06:51 AM
^^interesting...

Helicoils worked like a charm, its a real snug fit in there along w/ Loctite and the turbo is bolted up nicely. We'll see if i have any leaks at full boost today after I finish up the little things

- Tp to DP welded, to be picked up
- Oil filter and oil added
- Intake setup decisions
- Fan shroud assy
- about it !, just have to get Tuner lugs then shes running

superman_006
04-28-2007, 06:58 AM
Did you have your TP welded to your downpipe? I was thinkng that would make in very difficult to install

Rosati
04-28-2007, 07:10 AM
it will but it was welded in the same manner before i had lined it up and marked it where it would sit if it doesnt, I'll figure it out

Rosati
04-28-2007, 12:42 PM
Ready to start her up.


quick pic...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-28-07_1535.jpg


Gonna clean up the wires when I'm done, so dont worry

Intake setup looks much easier than it actually is. Working with the MAF and everything else, and making a reg sized k n filter fit...
wasnt easy had to bring it up from the bottom if you are attempting to do the same

Poopie
04-28-2007, 01:08 PM
looks like its part of the pcv system. Get a flashlight in there to see where it goes.

Rosati
04-28-2007, 01:14 PM
Its a coolant line , it was tangled underneath the firewall, found it nvm....


More pics/vid when i start it up

Rosati
04-28-2007, 03:26 PM
Car isnt starting. At initial startup, it ran, but a fuel line bursted, shooting gas from the line, I fixed the line, Now its not starting....

All my plugs are clean. The fpr was left at its setting. i cant get an accurate pressure reading bc it isnt running yet


I have a phone video, if anyone knows/has a converter (to mpg) plz post

Rosati
04-28-2007, 05:40 PM
Alright, I need a new Fuel pump........ ffffffff.......

Walbro is $90 i heard, but from where?

Aliel
04-28-2007, 05:54 PM
USRT Bro get the pump their in jersey so they can ship it quick. We having some crazy problems with my boys passat bro. Shit is getting crazy :( I hope you fix your shit soon.

type911
04-28-2007, 06:02 PM
Which walbro are you looking for. If your looking for the standard Mustang GSS340? This is the place all us mustang guys go. Great customer service and prices.

http://www.jdsperformance.com/index.asp?initemuid=436&fcmd=item&inmake=0

mike-2ptzero
04-28-2007, 06:21 PM
Alright, I need a new Fuel pump........ ffffffff.......

Walbro is $90 i heard, but from where?

Here is where I bought both of my walbro pumps.

http://www.autoperformanceengineering.com/


Nice part is that they sell the sleeve and plug you will want to install it into your tank.

Rosati
04-28-2007, 06:47 PM
Thanks guys, Looks like ill be getting one of these though:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Walbro-255-lph-Fuel-Pump-86-97-5-0-4-6-FORD-MUSTANG-GT_W0QQitemZ110120294000QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33555QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting


http://www.jscspeed.com/wrx/turbo/walbro_pump.htm

The Gss430 will be fine right


Mike you sure i have to replace the intank? Thought it was under the body- - is there a writeup? never messed w./ this stuff before

Rosati
04-28-2007, 06:53 PM
USRT Bro get the pump their in jersey so they can ship it quick. We having some crazy problems with my boys passat bro. Shit is getting crazy :( I hope you fix your shit soon.

Man i was all set to go pimpin tonight and everything w/ the car : ) , I saw your post, but couldnt answer

The vid i have shows the car , the rims look SICK! im not tradin them! Its a pretty funny video, you actually see the fuel squirt and my friends get scared and think the car is gonna blow up

Just gotta find that converter , they are all so complicated

theskuh
04-28-2007, 07:07 PM
hey, email me the vid, pocilipora -at- gmail -dot- com I'll see what I can do

Rosati
04-28-2007, 07:27 PM
Sent, thanks

theskuh
04-28-2007, 07:37 PM
back at ya. Used quicktime pro. Can't figure out how to embed it.

video (http://www.fiftyhourfilm.com/movies/audi.mp4)

Rosati
04-28-2007, 07:56 PM
lol they sound like such retards, ah the vid was even better....They run away

Thanks for trying.

theskuh
04-28-2007, 07:59 PM
here it is in wmv format (http://www.fiftyhourfilm.com/movies/audi.wmv)

this should work well -- edit --it is white at the end

this is the mp4 it is the full video (http://www.fiftyhourfilm.com/movies/audi.mp4)

i hope this works for people

Russell2686
04-28-2007, 08:23 PM
did you decide which intercooler you are going to be using? ebay?

chris164935
04-28-2007, 08:37 PM
How did you figure out it was your fuel pump?
Did you install bigger injectors? If you did, but didn't clear adaptations (by clearing DTCs), try doing that before you invest in a fuel pump; unless you are 100% sure it's dead...

Also, in the clip, it sounded like your starter wasn't getting enough power...

EuroA4
04-29-2007, 06:17 AM
You may end up having to drill and tap out the manifold to fit a larger size bolt at some point...I'd be skeptical to having the helicoil work in there at such high pressure. Hopefully it works for you, but I always thought they were more used for aluminum heads and such. A machine shop could easily drill/tap those holes though...use a drill press to if you decide to do it on your own.

Rosati
04-29-2007, 08:54 AM
Going w/ an Ebay FMIC...

I tried to VAG it last night, but it wasnt reading for some reason..Could it be bc my battery was almost dead?

Yes im running 440cc's. ... Didnt clear dtc's.... dont hav a vag, how do i do it? - - -When i turn the key on, i dont hear the fuel pump prime

The manifold will be fine, if its not ill send it to a shop, thats not an issue right now.

chris164935
04-29-2007, 09:43 AM
Going w/ an Ebay FMIC...

I tried to VAG it last night, but it wasnt reading for some reason..Could it be bc my battery was almost dead?

Yes im running 440cc's. ... Didnt clear dtc's.... dont hav a vag, how do i do it? - - -When i turn the key on, i dont hear the fuel pump prime

The manifold will be fine, if its not ill send it to a shop, thats not an issue right now.

All of these problems could more than likely be because of the dead battery. Do you have a battery charger that has a setting to jump start the car? If so, then use that to get the voltage up to do a quick scan and clear the DTCs (which will also clear your fuel trim adaptations, if EPL didn't do that...). Other than that, the only thing I can think of is you have a vac. leak.

superman_006
04-29-2007, 09:53 AM
When you turn the key to on, without starting it... does your CEL come on?

Rosati
04-29-2007, 09:59 AM
Yes the cel comes on If you saw the video we started the car thru jumper wires

and no i didnt clear dtc's and not sure if EPL did, i just know he soldered in his socket


vac leak u were hearing might have been bc my DV to TIP was crimped, but that just disconnected right now so itll be fine when i start it up and ok until i fix the hose

chris164935
04-29-2007, 10:05 AM
If you have Vag-Com, try clearing the codes and seeing if it will crank.

Also, did you check the relay for the fuel pump?

Rosati
04-29-2007, 10:14 AM
Ill have my buddy come over and vag it but like i said it didnt scan last night this time ill try it w/ a jumper cables attached

I checked the pump fuse, but not the relay, know what i should look for?


Also, to fix this problem im selling my milltek HFC, im broke right now
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-29-07_1250.jpg

who wants it?

chris164935
04-29-2007, 10:36 AM
Ill have my buddy come over and vag it but like i said it didnt scan last night this time ill try it w/ a jumper cables attached

I checked the pump fuse, but not the relay, know what i should look for?


Also, to fix this problem im selling my milltek HFC, im broke right now
<IMG>

who wants it?

Hmmm... Well, Bentley manual describes how to check the fuel pump relay. It's a fairly complicated process (not hard, just quite a few steps involved), so I can't explain it on here. However, you could register to use the Bentley manual online at their site. I believe it's like $20... I would definitely look into that though before throwing down more money for a pump; especially if the new one doesn't work either because of a bad relay or wire.

superman_006
04-29-2007, 10:54 AM
You've triped the fuel over-run cut off valve. Does anyone know how to reset it?

Rosati
04-29-2007, 11:02 AM
Ill ask on AW thanks aaron


Saw the relay for about 8 bucks, Chris. I dont know exactly where it is either

chris164935
04-29-2007, 11:37 AM
Ill ask on AW thanks aaron


Saw the relay for about 8 bucks, Chris. I dont know exactly where it is either
Under the instrument panel, it's the relay on the far right.

Wait until you can get a Vag-Com scan done to retrieve the DTCs stored before attempting to replace anything.

Rosati
04-29-2007, 12:19 PM
Yeah i wasnt going to I also dont have a line tester, so im waitin on a vag, damn i shoulda ordered that cable

will post later when trying to vag, Thanks for the help guys [up]

CKYmike
04-29-2007, 08:50 PM
I just went to his house to vag his car that isn't starting and I wasnt able to get connected to any controller. So we just plugged it into his sisters a4 and checked the codes that popped up.

18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30: Voltage too Low
P1602 - 35-00 - -
17956 - Boost Pressure Regulation Valve (N75): Open Circuit
P1548 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17963 - Charge Pressure: Maximum Limit Exceeded
P1555 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17746 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40): Open or Short to Plus
P1338 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16515 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Signal too Low
P0131 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
18014 - Rough Road/Engine Torque Signal from ABS: Electrical Malfunction
P1606 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17645 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 1 (N30): Open Circuit
P1237 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent

I'm sure these were random codes if he tried starting the car with things not connected so we cleared them and it still didnt start. I put it back in the other car and only the first voltage code(most likely dead battery). He still charged up the battery some more (up to 12 volt I believe) and it still didnt crank over. Before I figured it was the fuel pump but there are no fuel pump codes in there at all. Any take on this guys? I still think the battery is just shot.

superman_006
04-29-2007, 08:52 PM
Sounds like a ground wire not conected

mike-2ptzero
04-29-2007, 08:59 PM
Sounds like a ground wire not conected

or a fuse blew that powers up or is powered up by the ecu.

CKYmike
04-29-2007, 09:02 PM
or a fuse blew that powers up or is powered up by the ecu.

I checked his fuses they looked ok. Next time im out ill have my multimeter and see if his relay may be shot.

AB18
04-29-2007, 09:07 PM
Sounds like a toast ground or def a fuse.



Sorry to go off topic...cykmike...did you swap a full s4 drivetrain? Im thinking of swaping a 2.8 trans into my s4, and not sure what all ill need.

superman_006
04-29-2007, 09:11 PM
why would they be intermitten if it was a blow fuse? If you have a turbo timer you'll get the P1602

CKYmike
04-29-2007, 09:16 PM
why would they be intermitten if it was a blow fuse? If you have a turbo timer you'll get the P1602

Now that I think about it, that ground cable to the battery wasn't as tightened down like it should've been...

chris164935
04-29-2007, 09:18 PM
Try temporarily swapping batteries with his sister's A4 and check for vac leaks. [wrench]

mike-2ptzero
04-29-2007, 09:18 PM
I checked his fuses they looked ok. Next time im out ill have my multimeter and see if his relay may be shot.

Did you check them by eye or check each one with a meter? Some of the fuses dont get power till the engine is running.

CKYmike
04-29-2007, 09:21 PM
Did you check them by eye or check each one with a meter? Some of the fuses dont get power till the engine is running.

I was only able to check them one by one and see if they blew. I want to get out there with a tester and see if the fuel pump is running because thats one thing thats worried me since he blew a fuel line when he first tried to start it.

CKYmike
04-29-2007, 09:27 PM
Sounds like a toast ground or def a fuse.



Sorry to go off topic...cykmike...did you swap a full s4 drivetrain? Im thinking of swaping a 2.8 trans into my s4, and not sure what all ill need.

I did the whole drivetrain since it was available to me. from what i see the only difference is the front driveshafts are thicker but that would only really effect the knuckle bearing size. I dont see why it wouldnt fit other than possibly using an adapter for the bell housing.

Rosati
04-29-2007, 09:42 PM
Thanks for the replies guys, and of course a Big thanks / Nuraja to my boy CKYMike... I tightened the terminal, Still no go. Never had any problems w/ the grounds before, but thats deemed irrelevant right now...... Ill check tomorrow (i only know one location, under the bumper post on driver side)

Ill also get that battery tested/fully charged, But when i did crank it, it sounded very strong and the starter was turning pretty quickly When i tried to start the car, it was jumped to my father's running Car

But if there was a fuel pump issue, dont you think it would have thrown that code? or anything related to fuel the second time around?

also, if there isnt enough power/bad ground, that couldnt affect code readings right? I wouldnt lose them and they'd still be stored after trying to start even if there isnt enough starting power.....right?

chris164935
04-29-2007, 09:57 PM
Thanks for the replies guys, and of course a Big thanks / Nuraja to my boy CKYMike... I tightened the terminal, Still no go. Never had any problems w/ the grounds before, but thats deemed irrelevant right now...... Ill check tomorrow (i only know one location, under the bumper post on driver side)

Ill also get that battery tested/fully charged, But when i did crank it, it sounded very strong and the starter was turning pretty quickly When i tried to start the car, it was jumped to my father's running Car

But if there was a fuel pump issue, dont you think it would have thrown that code? or anything related to fuel the second time around?

also, if there isnt enough power/bad ground, that couldnt affect code readings right? I wouldnt lose them and they'd still be stored after trying to start even if there isnt enough starting power.....right?

I don't know how it is on the older Motronic systems, but on mine, sometimes disconnecting the battery would erase DTCs that were stored and sometimes it wouldn't.

Try pulling the spark plugs to see what they look like (and clean them if neccesary). Maybe also do a compression test and/or check down the spark plug holes to see if there's gas or anything in the cylinders.
Might also help to do an throttle body adaptation with Vag-Com.

Rosati
04-29-2007, 10:06 PM
Plugs were absolutely clean and not wet at all

Could my ADJ FPR be a problem? Its hard to tell where my pressure is at, But i got it from the guy i bought it from and its at his setting so i figure id leave it

We didnt disconnect the battery before swapping ecu's to scan codes..

Compression test...... it would at least turn over and bog if valves were bent (trust me i know this)

I did a tba but just by ignition , will try w/ vag tomorrow

chris164935
04-29-2007, 10:18 PM
Plugs were absolutely clean and not wet at all
If you get a chance, pull them again and check if they smell like gasoline.


Could my ADJ FPR be a problem? Its hard to tell where my pressure is at, But i got it from the guy i bought it from and its at his setting so i figure id leave it
I would ask EPL what fuel pressure they tuned for or what they suggest for the tune they gave you...


We didnt disconnect the battery before swapping ecu's to scan codes..
Careful with this one; could harm your ECM.

And definitely get a good, fully charged replacement battery (or at the very least, make sure yours can hold a charge).

Poopie
04-29-2007, 10:30 PM
what is the soft coding on the ecu? Mine was coded wrong when i got it back from christ tapp and it would only start if i cranked it for a good 3 minutes on a battery booster.

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
04-30-2007, 06:24 AM
[:(] Damn i hope you get this sorted out...

EuroA4
04-30-2007, 06:46 AM
It sounds like a dead battery to me...

Rosati
04-30-2007, 07:58 AM
what is the soft coding on the ecu? Mine was coded wrong when i got it back from christ tapp and it would only start if i cranked it for a good 3 minutes on a battery booster.

Dont know exactly. Gonna try n start my sister's car w/ it, which is what i should have done last night, but the car DID start the first time i tried it and it even started w/ jumper cables attached, which i tried again last night, but who knows maybe the battery is fried and cant hold a charge anymore

Going to get the battery checked as soon as i get my hands on our beater.


Can anyone confirm if there was a fuel pump problem it would show up on the logs?

Rosati
04-30-2007, 09:04 AM
Just pulled an injector and it was soaking wet w/ fuel, (the whole injector) so i reseated and clipped it Funny though, the plug wasnt wet......


going to check battery now

seank
04-30-2007, 09:20 AM
so did you not have it seated properly before?

Rosati
04-30-2007, 09:25 AM
Now it makes sense.

It wasnt seated to the fuel rail properly at cylinder 4, so all the fuel was leaking there, and not reaching the other injectors!

Thats probably it !

So that , plus the battery, = Rosati rolling!

thats my projection!

Rosati
04-30-2007, 10:53 AM
Theory was wrong, No pressure in the fuel line. I disconnected my feed line and got NO DRIP NO STREAM NO SIGN AT ALL OF FUEL

So its back to the original idea of the relay or pump.....

Going to get a tester now

Rosati
04-30-2007, 12:04 PM
Bought a circuit tester from autozone (up to 12v) Do i need a 24v?

Set ignition to acc,

Tested a few fuses, some are active some arent, I tried my fuel pump fuse , didnt light up.

Tested the actual plug to the fuel pump in the trunk and it still didnt light up. Bad relay huh?

Mawhitey
04-30-2007, 12:14 PM
Sounds like the relay bud.Is it possible to power the pump directly for a brief moment to see if it works without the relay etc

Rosati
04-30-2007, 12:18 PM
yeah man i was just searchin around for it online..... But ill see what the stealer wants for it, instead of waiting around for it.

Yes i know, i can just run a wire to the battery and to the actual pump, but there 2 grounds and 2 positives, 2 for the sending unit and 2 for the pump....

so i guess ill just try both, but my main concern is finding out where exactly that relay is i know its under the kick panel but theres quite a few down there

snoop
04-30-2007, 12:31 PM
ahh shit, you always have problems man, im feeling for ya buddy, it will be well worth it when you get that bitch running. [drive]

superman_006
04-30-2007, 12:40 PM
just jump power to your fuse from another (with higher amp) all you need is a paper clip or a short wire

seank
04-30-2007, 12:48 PM
why not grab the relay out of your sisters a4 or whose ever you were trying you ecu in?

Rosati
04-30-2007, 01:08 PM
Going to jump the pump from the fuse brb

Rosati
04-30-2007, 02:48 PM
Got pressure in the lines , thanks superman, pump works, i suppose the relay works as well because my fuel gauge was working

Car didnt start. Checked out the ECU , initially thought it wasnt socketed but from this pic, Its hard to tell but its just a real good solder job i suppose of the modified chip..... (right above the chip w/ the 2 colored stickers)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/Rosati/04-30-07_1716.jpg


Idk what to do. Im gonna put my sisters stock ecu in my car and see what happens and vice versa. I spoke w/ tony at epl and he said its def a fueling problem and Not the ecu


Im actually stumped ive never fathomed of taking the car to a mechanic/ tuner but shit this is killing me

superman_006
04-30-2007, 03:04 PM
Im actually stumped ive never fathomed of taking the car to a mechanic/ tuner but shit this is killing me
__________________
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<------Smacks Rob says "Pull yourself together"

mike-2ptzero
04-30-2007, 05:20 PM
So youy powered up the fuel pump, got fuel pressure and tried to crank it over but it still wouldn't start?

Rosati
04-30-2007, 05:53 PM
Got the car running on my sisters stock ecu

Ran pretty well i left it idling but i have a significant oil leak .....My VC wont go on tight , i have bad threads on the studs and the head to cover..... will fix that later, I also think im getting a leak from my crank seal. I know i did it right, there is only one way to seal the crank and thats from that one gasket behind the piece that was mangled right? (crank hounsing between block and crank)

I spoke w/ EPL tony today and he told me it was a fueling problem. Yeah no shit, I had no power to my "engine timing" fuse w/ his ecu in and now i popped hers in and its fine and running.

Now the battle begins to get him to help me out ....... this shoudl be fun he didnt want any part of this


gonna go pull the plugs now and try to get it running again

superman_006
04-30-2007, 06:04 PM
I worry that the axle play in your crankshaft (bad thrust bearing) has screwed up your new seal/ seal housing like before

ibew5audi
04-30-2007, 06:45 PM
makin' the k04 look tempting again rosati...
just kidding-or am I? Isn't epl the place that was burning up ecus? Pulling for you.
This is why the gurus are so smart-experience.

maxspeed
04-30-2007, 06:58 PM
makin' the k04 look tempting again rosati...
just kidding-or am I? Isn't epl the place that was burning up ecus? Pulling for you.
This is why the gurus are so smart-experience.

yea, hes pretty notorious for that, and for inflated dyno #'s at this point

Rosati
04-30-2007, 07:07 PM
I cant say anything negative about EPL at the moment, we'll see what Tony says tomorrow, but yes ive heard engines blowing bc of them , not ecu's... (S4's)

lol This has nothin to do w/ the 28RS IBEW I bought a tune from someone else custom tuned for another car, i knew what i was getting into.. He told me i might have idle problems, etc. Not Starting problems.

The actual ecu is missing a connection to the Engine timing fuse (no 34) , deadening the Cam positioning sensor and more

ibew5audi
04-30-2007, 07:31 PM
let's hope all the rumors are false and you're running very soon instead of..
[headbang] [headbang] [headbang] [headbang]
four rings ^ ^ ^ ^

superman_006
04-30-2007, 07:57 PM
HAS Anyone ever replaced the thust bearing without pulling the motor out on a 1.8t before? Anyone know what the chrank shaft axle play tolerance is?

Rosati
04-30-2007, 08:27 PM
Doubt it aaron, Been on here 4 years dont think ive ever seen it

Rosati
05-01-2007, 08:37 AM
So youy powered up the fuel pump, got fuel pressure and tried to crank it over but it still wouldn't start?


Precisely.

I sent Tony an email last night saying that i swapped ecu's w/ my sister, His didnt work in her car, hers worked in my car....

He simply said, oo it didnt work bc of stock injetors, etc etc, Yeah but the car should still start..... I never said RUN.

He did make a good point though , my car did fire up in that video where the fuel line burst, But when his ecu is in, Im not getting power to my 34 Fuse , "engine timing" and the fuse isnt blown either. So again he insisted it wasnt the ecu..

I have to worry about an oil leak right now so i have time for this...... I also need to put this shit to the side and focus on my job right now... Im still not certified for my position and ive wasted enough time , So any input is appreciated..

mike-2ptzero
05-01-2007, 08:45 AM
Precisely.

I sent Tony an email last night saying that i swapped ecu's w/ my sister, His didnt work in her car, hers worked in my car....

He simply said, oo it didnt work bc of stock injetors, etc etc, Yeah but the car should still start..... I never said RUN.

He did make a good point though , my car did fire up in that video where the fuel line burst, But when his ecu is in, Im not getting power to my 34 Fuse , "engine timing" and the fuse isnt blown either. So again he insisted it wasnt the ecu..

I have to worry about an oil leak right now so i have time for this...... I also need to put this shit to the side and focus on my job right now... Im still not certified for my position and ive wasted enough time , So any input is appreciated..

Well the engine might have started up that 1 time with his ecu but it isn't anymore while the ecu from your sisters car does start your car up. That right there points to his ecu being bad now, how hard is it for him to see or understand that? You could open up his ecu and see if all the solder points are good before sending it back to him to check out.

Rosati
05-01-2007, 08:54 AM
thats what i said to myself.

I did check it out, his welds looked very good, i posted the pic above.... (the chip above the 2 stickers)

After he said its not the ecu, he ended the message w/ "thanks"

What thanks?

The guy isnt gonna do shit for me is basically what he just said

mike-2ptzero
05-01-2007, 08:59 AM
thats what i said to myself.

I did check it out, his welds looked very good, i posted the pic above.... (the chip above the 2 stickers)

After he said its not the ecu, he ended the message w/ "thanks"

What thanks?

The guy isnt gonna do shit for me is basically what he just said


Well you need to make sure they are making contact to the board because the solder could look good even though it is no longer in contact with the board foot. Just use a meter to make sure.

Really sounds like this guy doesn't stand behind his products.[down]

Militant-Grunt
05-01-2007, 09:00 AM
I would bet good money that its the ECU, I had a very similar problem with a chipped GIAC ECU. Would crank and not start, couldn't read the thing with vag com either. No matter what the file is on the ECU it should still start, the guy is giving you a bunch of bull man.

Rosati
05-01-2007, 09:20 AM
Mike..... he does stand by his products.... In denying any faults !

He doesnt want to be bothered w/ me. I know for sure that i didnt buy a Dud ECU.

Ill make sure of that.




how exactly do i test the ecu connections??

seank
05-01-2007, 10:48 AM
is he being such an ass to you because you are not the original purchaser of the chip? If so why don't you have the guy you bought the setup from contact him and see if he has any better luck.

Don Supreme
05-01-2007, 01:25 PM
I guess I could have contributed to this discussion earlier. Due to my dealings with various chips sent by Unitronic I had have a few ecu issues.

The thing to look for is the check engine like and epc light. You don't notice small things like these when your car is running right, but when you first turn the key into the on position (before starting the car) all the lights on the dash come on.

If you focus on the EPC and Check Engine Light they should also turn on. If the ECU is not booting for whatever reason they will not light up and your fuel pump probably won't even turn on (My fuel system would not pressurize....so said the fuel pressure guage).

Rosati
05-01-2007, 01:54 PM
Whelp. Took the ecu to a local computer shop. Guy there was awesome, He told me that the solder job looked fine even w/ the bubble...

But there was a conductive liquid spread/splashed/spilled onto the chip and surrounding pieces of the ecu . If you look in the pic, you can see the ink in those 2 stickers , which shows its been exposed to liquid.

the chip was shorting itself out bc of the coating on the chip.

But fortunately, Its nothing that a little alchohol can t fix.... [up]

Hopefully itll work now just gotta wait for it to dry nice

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
05-01-2007, 03:07 PM
That's what's up... [up]

slimmj0k3r
05-03-2007, 10:59 AM
woooooho i cant believe i read 6 pages!! goood shit rob

Rosati
05-03-2007, 11:12 AM
lol yeah and shes still not running.

Im in the process of figuring out whats wrong w/ the ecu and trying to get EPL to check it out, but before i go to them i need solid evidence, since starting my car w/ a stock ecu worked and their ecu didnt start my sisters car [rolleyes]

Looking for a stock ecu :( for now....

maxspeed
05-03-2007, 11:33 AM
damn dude EPL for the lose, sorry to hear this drama's still goin on

94jedi
05-03-2007, 11:37 AM
yea that sucks Rob. I think EPL should be more understanding since they tuned the setup originally.

O2VW1.8T
05-05-2007, 10:21 PM
can't believe people still go thru him.. There's a huge thread about it on vortex.... I wouldn't let him tune my car for free

Rosati
05-06-2007, 01:57 PM
are you serious? Wow can you link me?

I have to get a F***** stock ecu now and start from scratch

seank
05-06-2007, 02:01 PM
I was just looking around on EPL's website and found this amusing after hearing your experience so far.

"Our goal at EPL is to provide you the highest quality products on the market. It is our priority to put the customer first. We don't just sell a product, we sell a commitment, a commitment of support."

O2VW1.8T
05-06-2007, 04:42 PM
are you serious? Wow can you link me?

I have to get a F***** stock ecu now and start from scratch
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3066320

theres another one

k0mpresd
05-06-2007, 04:43 PM
^ dude...what are you doing posting here? [:D]

Rosati
05-06-2007, 04:53 PM
Its not even worth it to post there.

I dont see why i have to do this shit. My only options right now are to get that stock ecu to run the car, then RISK the ecu and solder in their chip and see if that works.

I want them to verify if everything is ok w/ the chip before i do that, but until then im gonna call and ask them to take a look at it , but they NEVER pick up and i know damn sure they're not gonna call me back or email either.

I know someone THAT PERSONALLY took their car out of EPL for lack of responsibility and wasting his time for a would-be exciting tune

mike-2ptzero
05-06-2007, 05:24 PM
Time to go 034 stand alone[;)]

O2VW1.8T
05-06-2007, 05:27 PM
^ dude...what are you doing posting here? [:D]

need to find a A4 lol....

Rosati
05-06-2007, 05:30 PM
Time to go 034 stand alone[;)]

That scares me as one of those things that I know im gonna have to get and master later on down the road.


I wanna start simple for now and leave it to the tuning pros/nerds [:p] [up]

mike-2ptzero
05-06-2007, 05:37 PM
That scares me as one of those things that I know im gonna have to get and master later on down the road.


I wanna start simple for now and leave it to the tuning pros/nerds [:p] [up]

Thats the nice part, 034 already has a "base tune" data base for our cars.[:D]


I think fred is looking to go 034 stand alone with a GT28rs or 71r turbo setup. A4rob is also going 034 and so is Frog.

Poopie
05-06-2007, 06:21 PM
why don't go with chris tapp? i've had some issues that chris took care of very quickly. he was always there to pick up and repsond to an email. he'll even call me in his spare time to see how everything is working

k0mpresd
05-06-2007, 06:30 PM
need to find a A4 lol....
buy mine [cool]

Rosati
05-06-2007, 06:45 PM
Forget ian, get an A4 from me : ) see sig :P

Rosati
05-06-2007, 06:47 PM
Thats the nice part, 034 already has a "base tune" data base for our cars.[:D]


I think fred is looking to go 034 stand alone with a GT28rs or 71r turbo setup. A4rob is also going 034 and so is Frog.


Sounds enticing. but honestly dont think im ready for it yet i dont even have a laptop yet, but even better a base tune should be easy to tweak huh, but not w/o a laptop

maybe in a few months [up]


why don't go with chris tapp? i've had some issues that chris took care of very quickly. he was always there to pick up and repsond to an email. he'll even call me in his spare time to see how everything is working

Good point.

Thats great to hear, not only does he hold the 28RS 1/4 mile record, but he's actually a good guy

What would one of his tunes run me? Im looking to custom dyno tune w/ pagparts.... they are close to me and tuned Gavin18t's 11xx sec a4 ( just for comparison mike)

seank
05-06-2007, 07:27 PM
i think Tapp's software is ~$700, then you need 630 injectors, and a ford MAF, so probably like 900-1000 total.

Rosati
05-06-2007, 07:35 PM
in that case, ill just max out the 28RS w/ a custom tune for well, less than that, not gonna say how much i was quoted

340-45 is the safest max whp for stock internals w/o touching 350 right? and certainly attainable on this turbo right? No one really discussed it too much , But thats my goal...... reaching stock internal limits on this turbo

Poopie
05-06-2007, 09:31 PM
i would tune for 300whp daily and a track tune of 350 whp. 300whp is plenty for the street to drive daily. don't stress your motor too much

BranCKY3
05-06-2007, 10:07 PM
I don't think you'll achieve 350whp all that easily......

Aliel
05-06-2007, 10:11 PM
Nope, but

We'll See

Poopie
05-06-2007, 10:23 PM
350 will definantly have to be on race gas

xr4tic
05-07-2007, 10:19 AM
The ECU controls the fuel pump, so it's probably not doing the job. It could be a bad chip.

Can you hook a VAG-COM up to it? What does it say? Does the CEL come on if you turn the key on (but not start)?

Why anybody would solder in an aftermarket chip instead of a socket is beyond me.

Check all your grounds - I've burnt a trace out on my ECU once, I was able to solder in a wire to fix it, but the car was still really flaky, intermittently losing power. Then I found out the ground that bolts onto the Valve Cover for the coil packs was loose, then I tightened it, and the problems went away.

If your grounds aren't right, then you could end up running too much current through the ECU, not a good thing.

Diesel_A4
05-07-2007, 04:25 PM
I cant imagine how much 034 motorsports charges for the stand alone lol

Don Supreme
05-07-2007, 04:41 PM
The ecu is messed up no doubt.. or probably just the chip on it.

Rosati,
Don't forget Gavin's car was tuned on a 034 efi. Can their people tune the bosch ecu?

seank
05-07-2007, 05:24 PM
I cant imagine how much 034 motorsports charges for the stand alone lol

not much considering the capabilities of the setup.

http://http://www.034motorsport.com/index.php?cPath=22_46

Rosati
05-07-2007, 10:55 PM
The ECU controls the fuel pump, so it's probably not doing the job. It could be a bad chip.

Can you hook a VAG-COM up to it? What does it say? Does the CEL come on if you turn the key on (but not start)?

Why anybody would solder in an aftermarket chip instead of a socket is beyond me.

Check all your grounds - I've burnt a trace out on my ECU once, I was able to solder in a wire to fix it, but the car was still really flaky, intermittently losing power. Then I found out the ground that bolts onto the Valve Cover for the coil packs was loose, then I tightened it, and the problems went away.

If your grounds aren't right, then you could end up running too much current through the ECU, not a good thing.

Thats exactly what im saying. Ecu powering the fuel pump /engine timing fuse/relay

I spoke w/ tony, he said he'd help me out , But only for a bad solder job, ill try n get him to solder (maybe even socket) the chip onto a new ecu fdor me and see what happens, he said he would be happy to test it for me, but he isnt aroudn the corner I hope he hooks me up w/ another ecu and puts that chip onto the board and we're good until i get a full tune.....

Don, I am not 100% on what they are gonna do but he wanted me to go 3076R in the first place, But we'll see

Poopie
05-07-2007, 11:41 PM
did you try to start the car on a stock ecu? It should start and perhaps run. I ran a stock ecu on my the chris tapp fueling and it was actually decent. i could drive it around just fine for a few days till i got my new ecu.

Rosati
05-08-2007, 06:52 AM
Yes i ran my car yesterday and before on my sister's b5's stock ecu


I had to lower the fuel pressure, but it ran

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
05-16-2007, 06:23 AM
Any updates?
Did you get back the ecu from epl?
Is it running?

onemoremile
05-16-2007, 07:05 AM
Got this thing running yet?

Rosati
05-16-2007, 02:42 PM
Oh sorry guys..... Yeah shes running on the stock ecu, But ive been Driving the Bimmer ; )

Im going to visit tony on Friday, Ive been busy at the auctions and hes been busy as well.

Sorry i didnt get back but i was going to wait to return from him to give an update.

Im also having a problem w/ a boost leak after the turbo. I believe its my Intercooler (stock) All the lines and hoses are tightened and checked.

I tapped the wastegate into the DV and it holds at 12psi to help the drivability (Thanks Superman) and lowered the fuel pressure for now but it still craps out every now and then.

I also made a mistake by welding my test pipe to the down pipe instead of just drilling and joining them (welding was actually cheaper) so i have to fix that too

Thanks for the concern, ill have a full update and hopfully a great result on friday

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