Test fitted some 265 wide tires on the front today

[swoardrider]

Been recently working on getting 265 wide tires on all 4 corners. So I finally put a tire on one of my race rims and did a test fit today:

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They look pretty damm evil. As of now it's tough to say if their gonna work. I think I will have to raise the car some to minimize damage to the front fender if I hit a big bump while the wheel is turned. I might also need a very small spacer of like 3mm because the inside of the tire only has around .035 of an inch before it hits the inner suspension arm.

[flath12]

looks tight.. both literally and figuratively

[John1.8T]

255's are pretty big too.... I'm sure that would cause a few less problems [;)].

Looks good though - good luck.

[hachirokukid]

look how close it is to the muffler...siiick

[alex310]

Dam, I thought I was cool because I had 265/30/19 in the rear (19x10)

[evoic]

I'd consider the 255's....that looks damn tight.

[INTEGRATION]

Damn! That looks super good!

[DownUnderSLine]

What size and offset are the rims ?

[nadroj81]

stasis runs 255 on all corners i beleive with Work wheels.

[MAlby7]

Wow those things are wide. Just go with the 255's and call it a day. I hope you're not intending to use those tires in the rain though.

[FlashA4]

What size and offset are the rims ?

+1
gotta say that im loving the effort. thanks a lot.

[swoardrider]

stasis runs 255 on all corners i beleive with Work wheels.

Your right nadroj, they run them on their B5's and B6's. They are running 265's on their B7's!

I'm not going to disclose offsets and some other things that it takes to get these tires to fit at this time as a courtesy to Stasis. They are the one's who gave me some clues on how they are able to fit them on their Signature Series cars.

Stasis will be selling 19" custom rims soon that will fit 265's up front.

[A4_cabrio]

that is whack - in a good way.

my 245s look puny compared to the 265s

[slingblade]

Looks great - some tires, even though they are the same size seem to run wider/narrower than other brands - these could be a 'narrower' 265. Wheel/sidewall can also matter

Eg; I had some stock BFG 255/55/17s (horrible) on my '96 Impala SS. Bridgestone Potenzas @ 285/40/17 fit and were barely any bigger on the same wheel.

[eLusive]

youre gonna love those rt-615's !!

[quattshot]

Your right nadroj, they run them on their B5's and B6's. They are running 265's on their B7's!

I'm not going to disclose offsets and some other things that it takes to get these tires to fit at this time as a courtesy to Stasis. They are the one's who gave me some clues on how they are able to fit them on their Signature Series cars.

Stasis will be selling 19" custom rims soon that will fit 265's up front.

Umm, I dont get it?
Not trying to be an ass but whats the BIG secret? Is Stasis worried about other Audi teams in the series figuring out what the secret wheel size is? I dont think so. They would have figured it out as well. Plus there is no other Audis in the series right?
So I ask, whats the BIG secret?
Joy for the FEW who would like that 265 setup??

[ed@mtl]

Offset has to be at least 40mm. I have the BBS CH with 35mm and 245/35/19 and I rub in the rear when going over a big bump or fully loaded in the rear.

[Juliflex]

looks very good!

[swoardrider]

Umm, I dont get it?
Not trying to be an ass but whats the BIG secret? Is Stasis worried about other Audi teams in the series figuring out what the secret wheel size is? I dont think so. They would have figured it out as well. Plus there is no other Audis in the series right?
So I ask, whats the BIG secret?
Joy for the FEW who would like that 265 setup??

By "series", if you mean the Speedvision Challenge cars, all competitors have to run on 235 wide 17's in that particular class.

What I'm talking about is respecting their R&D to get 265's to fit. Because they will soon be selling a rim package where one of the key selling points is that with their rims, you will be able to run 265's.

Kind of like APR's software. Are they the only one's writing software for our cars? No, there are plenty of others. But they sure don't let their competitors like Revo or GIAC know what APR's software is all about. They make their competitors do their own R&D. [;)]

[Spidee]

Good try![up] Too bad they're rubbing. I say go with 255's if your offset is not 35 on those wheels. I had initially tried those rt-615's in a 255/40/18 on my 18x8.5 et35 rims and they rubbed. I'm pretty sure a et40 offset and raising the car .250" should make everything work well. My only concern is, these RT-615's do run bigger because of the autox design. Maybe another autox brand tire that's less bulky should fit, a la Michelin Sport Cup? [:D]

[quattshot]

By "series", if you mean the Speedvision Challenge cars, all competitors have to run on 235 wide 17's in that particular class.

What I'm talking about is respecting their R&D to get 265's to fit. Because they will soon be selling a rim package where one of the key selling points is that with their rims, you will be able to run 265's.

Kind of like APR's software. Are they the only one's writing software for our cars? No, there are plenty of others. But they sure don't let their competitors like Revo or GIAC know what APR's software is all about. They make their competitors do their own R&D. [;)]

I thought Stasis was using 19x9 Volk wheels?
Anyhow, once Stasis offers the wheel of choice to allow for 265 tires, won't it be easy for anyone who purchases them to take measurements of offset, width, and spoke design, to share with the public??? I mean, its not an ECU program where we need to break into codes and such, its a wheel. Once the wheel is chosen and sold to the public, people should be able to figure out the setup I would think.
Once again, I wasn't trying to sound like an ass.
It's just that I am so used to people sharing there setups on autocross and racing forums (Camber, toe, tire pressure, wheel width, tire sizes, etc)

[swoardrider]

I thought Stasis was using 19x9 Volk wheels?
Anyhow, once Stasis offers the wheel of choice to allow for 265 tires, won't it be easy for anyone who purchases them to take measurements of offset, width, and spoke design, to share with the public??? I mean, its not an ECU program where we need to break into codes and such, its a wheel. Once the wheel is chosen and sold to the public, people should be able to figure out the setup I would think.
Once again, I wasn't trying to sound like an ass.
It's just that I am so used to people sharing there setups on autocross and racing forums (Camber, toe, tire pressure, wheel width, tire sizes, etc)

Yes you are correct. Once they hit the market, all one has to do is measure and the secret will be out. I guess a little bit like Revo taking an APR chipped car and doing dyno runs and VAG. I'm sure they could get a pretty good idea of what APR's software is doing from those measurements.

I just don't want to be accused of letting the cat out of the bag. [;)]

I think we got each other both confused on the 2 different Stasis cars. Their race cars (Speedvision Challenge Series) have to run a 235 on a 17" rim. The Stasis Signature Series (street cars) run the 19" Volks with the 265's. [up]

[quattshot]

Yes you are correct. Once they hit the market, all one has to do is measure and the secret will be out. I guess a little bit like Revo taking an APR chipped car and doing dyno runs and VAG. I'm sure they could get a pretty good idea of what APR's software is doing from those measurements.

I just don't want to be accused of letting the cat out of the bag. [;)]

I think we got each other both confused on the 2 different Stasis cars. Their race cars (Speedvision Challenge Series) have to run a 235 on a 17" rim. The Stasis Signature Series (street cars) run the 19" Volks with the 265's. [up]

Ahhhchaa! I get it now. Damn, I really thought the race cars were 19'?? Hmm.
Ok wait. So if I call most Volk dealers and ask them what fitment for Audi B7 can I use to fit a 265 tire, they won't be able to tell me? OR is Stasis Volk wheels CUSTOM MADE for the B7???[confused]

[slimmj0k3r]

looks mean. if this works out i'd def be putting some of these tires on my b7

[swoardrider]

Ahhhchaa! I get it now. Damn, I really thought the race cars were 19'?? Hmm.
Ok wait. So if I call most Volk dealers and ask them what fitment for Audi B7 can I use to fit a 265 tire, they won't be able to tell me? OR is Stasis Volk wheels CUSTOM MADE for the B7???[confused]

Most if not all race cars use a 15-18" rim because that's what sizes race tires come in. The only tire that comes in a 19" that I'm aware of is the Michelin Sport Cups.

If you go to any wheel dealer, or wheel manufacturer, they will all tell you that you cannot get a 265 up front. That's Stasis' magic.

This is the same thing I went through with my M3 and Dinan Engineering years ago. Everyone said I couldn't get wide tires on them, so I went to Dinan and they said "no problem, we do it all the time" and they made them fit for me.

The A4 is way easier to get wide tires under than the M3. No cutting of the fender required, no plastic liner cutting and relocating, none of that crap. Just the right tire, rim, and offset. [race]

The rest of the tires are going on tonight, so I will take some more pics. [wrench]

[quattshot]

Most if not all race cars use a 15-18" rim because that's what sizes race tires come in. The only tire that comes in a 19" that I'm aware of is the Michelin Sport Cups.

If you go to any wheel dealer, or wheel manufacturer, they will all tell you that you cannot get a 265 up front. That's Stasis' magic.

This is the same thing I went through with my M3 and Dinan Engineering years ago. Everyone said I couldn't get wide tires on them, so I went to Dinan and they said "no problem, we do it all the time" and they made them fit for me.

The A4 is way easier to get wide tires under than the M3. No cutting of the fender required, no plastic liner cutting and relocating, none of that crap. Just the right tire, rim, and offset. [race]

The rest of the tires are going on tonight, so I will take some more pics. [wrench]

Sounds great. I sure wish I could get those specs. Though it does seem like your a top line Stasis customer as far as product purchases is concerned. Yah eat at a restaurant often enough, you get the secret recipes.lol
Still sounds like you need the correct ride height obviously and some 3mm spacers for inner rubbing. So maybe a bit of tweaking is in order still.

[alex310]

Sounds great. I sure wish I could get those specs. Though it does seem like your a top line Stasis customer as far as product purchases is concerned. Yah eat at a restaurant often enough, you get the secret recipes.lol
Still sounds like you need the correct ride height obviously and some 3mm spacers for inner rubbing. So maybe a bit of tweaking is in order still.

I do not think it is that big of a secret, you can use the "Wheel offset calculator" posted on this thread "http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49433" then all you gotta figure out is the spokes on the wheels not hitting our large brake caliper, but I'm guessing the last of your problems is the brake caliper since your pushing the wheel so out.

Good luck!

[A4_cabrio]

I'd like to see a picture from the front with the wheels straight - i wonder how much do they stick out.

[swoardrider]

So all 4 tires are on, and I'm happy to say that there is very little rubbing. I tracked the car today at Laguna Seca and the only rubbing was a little bit on the inner suspension upright arm, and some on the inner fender well. The well rub was enough to burn a hole in the plastic liner, but the tires show no signs of a problem. This was tested at extreme suspension compression, being that it was on the track all day, so on the street the rubbing might not be as bad??

Here are some quick pics. There was a photographer at the track, so maybe I'll get some pics of me on track soon.

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[Spidee]

Cool.....thanks for the update. I was going to send you a PM to find out how it went with the new setup. Also, any plans to post up your review of the track day at Laguna in the rain? One more thing, did you feel a substantial improvement in the new mods over the previous mods?

[ravenmadx]

Those rims are wicked! Nice beef man!

[alex310]

Wear out the plastic liner, I did, not rubbing now, haha

[flaudia402]

wow...looks awesome bro. props for some quality mods on your car.

[Grassmonkey]

Those rims look sweet on your car!

Im interested in the re-machining of the wheels you had done?
Can most places do this??
How much did that cost? and how much time?
Cause then I broaden my spoke for rims.

[swoardrider]

Cool.....thanks for the update. I was going to send you a PM to find out how it went with the new setup. Also, any plans to post up your review of the track day at Laguna in the rain? One more thing, did you feel a substantial improvement in the new mods over the previous mods?

Good news is that it rained on the way to the track, then it stopped right before the first group went out. By the time I hit the track, it was damp with puddles, not soaking wet. So my first run was the wettest. The rest of the day was pretty much dry with a few wet spots.

New Ohlins' are amazing. Dampening over bumps like the inside of turn 6 hardly unsettled the car at all.

The lighter weight of the new rims helped the suspension to it's job easier, especially over the gator strips. The A-holes at Laguna had no 100 octane, so I had to run their $4.50 a gallon 91. The better acceleration of the lighter rims on 91 was about equal to the old stock rims with the 100 octane that I'm used to.
This car is still really underpowered for it's 3700 lbs weight on the track. I'm pretty much floored way before the apex. It seriously needs another 100 more wheel HP. Still, I ended up being the fastest car in my group, primarily due to the ability to out brake everything and slightly better handling. Next mod might have to be the K04. I'm holding up high HP traffic on the straights. I should have rented a transponder to see my times. Slower cars told me they were doing 1:58's, so I think I was somewhere between 1:52's to 1.55's.

The new 615 tires were a lot better than the old Conti's. To my surprise there was very little wear on them after the day was over! The track really tore up the old Conti's. Almost every decent street prepped car was on 615's except the Porsche's. They seamed to like the PS2's. So for a 200 wear rated street tire, they did good, and the 265's definitely helped, but sometimes I'm not really sure if the tires gripped as good as I excected them to. Or, if I'm now spoiled, and want even more grip. So my next set will be some kind of race tire like the Yoko 048 or maybe I'll just go straight into a slick like the new BF Goodrich R1! Also my alignment is off, not corner balenced, and I set the car up pretty high at 25.5" as not to bash the fender lip. With the proper set up, the tires would probably stick even better.
A guy I met next to me in the pits was running 615's on an M3 and he had 5 track days and 5k miles on them and they had lot's of tread left. So if I get the same wear, I can honestly say the 615's are the best trackable street tire made. The only gripe would be that they have a loud hum on the freeway.

The biggest improvement though would have to be the balance of the car. It pretty much oversteers a little into the turn and understeers some coming out. This really helped the car rotate in the turn and made it funner to drive. You can really throw the car into the turn, and depending on how hard you throw it, determines how fast it will rotate. I don't know if it's the tires, tire size, or suspension that is doing this, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's the magic of the Ohlins. This really worked well for turns 3 and 11.

[INTEGRATION]

Yup, Falken 615's are good. I already loved the old 215's when I used to use them

[swoardrider]

Those rims look sweet on your car!

Im interested in the re-machining of the wheels you had done?
Can most places do this??
How much did that cost? and how much time?
Cause then I broaden my spoke for rims.


I just bought a set of Japanese made wheels in 114.3 pcd hole pattern and had them drilled out to fit the Audi.
"Most" places probably won't have a template. I would find a machine shop that has a template to drill out 114.3 pcd to 112 pcd and has done it before. Stasis Engineering's machine shop did it for me because they have the template. It was $75 per wheel.

[INTEGRATION]

I just bought a set of Japanese made wheels in 114.3 pcd hole pattern and had them drilled out to fit the Audi.
"Most" places probably won't have a template. I would find a machine shop that has a template to drill out 114.3 pcd to 112 pcd and has done it before. Stasis Engineering's machine shop did it for me because they have the template. It was $75 per wheel.

Any problems with drill out the holes for a different bolt pattern? I'm actually considering doing this to be different.

[swoardrider]

Any problems with drill out the holes for a different bolt pattern? I'm actually considering doing this to be different.

So far no problems going from 114.3 to 112 (knock on wood)

[Spidee]

Nice......we're doing similar lap times. I was doing 1:56 in the dry with the street sports, stock brakes, stock hp, and neuspeed rear sway. I was passing a lot in my intermediate(b) group except those random high hp cars that were in my group or would switch over from the advanced group. Now that I have the BBK and APR software, I'm hoping to be in the low 1:50's.

I can see you getting faster your next track day. Take this recent track day as "Test and Tune". Now you've become familiar with your new toys. Now it's time to dial them in better to see more improvements next time around. We have to do a track day together soon. I want to see a B7 holding it down. I don't get to see one because I'm usually the only B7 out there. [up]

[Grassmonkey]

Cool thanks for the info on the rims... I may do this if I find a rim that I thats not 120.

[swoardrider]

Nice......we're doing similar lap times. I was doing 1:56 in the dry with the street sports, stock brakes, stock hp, and neuspeed rear sway. I was passing a lot in my intermediate(b) group except those random high hp cars that were in my group or would switch over from the advanced group. Now that I have the BBK and APR software, I'm hoping to be in the low 1:50's.

I can see you getting faster your next track day. Take this recent track day as "Test and Tune". Now you've become familiar with your new toys. Now it's time to dial them in better to see more improvements next time around. We have to do a track day together soon. I want to see a B7 holding it down. I don't get to see one because I'm usually the only B7 out there. [up]

Yes I'll PM you when the next track day is. Now that the springs are settled and I know where the rubbing is, it's time for alignment and corner balance. Do you know a good shop in the south bay that corner balances and knows Audi's?

[Spidee]

Yes I'll PM you when the next track day is. Now that the springs are settled and I know where the rubbing is, it's time for alignment and corner balance. Do you know a good shop in the south bay that corner balances and knows Audi's?

I called a shop I go to in San Leandro, which I'll leave nameless, and told me they couldn't do it. I asked if they knew Roger Krause Racing in Castro Valley does corner balancing and custom alignments on Audi's. My shop said they couldn't. If you want, give Roger Krause a call. Find out if they can work on Audi's. My shop said that there's special tools needed to align our car. To get more negative camber up front, something needs to be done with the subframe. I say call Stasis and ask where you can get it done. Worse case scenario is get the dealership to do the alignment and have them give you more negative camber.

[swoardrider]

I called a shop I go to in San Leandro, which I'll leave nameless, and told me they couldn't do it. I asked if they knew Roger Krause Racing in Castro Valley does corner balancing and custom alignments on Audi's. My shop said they couldn't. If you want, give Roger Krause a call. Find out if they can work on Audi's. My shop said that there's special tools needed to align our car. To get more negative camber up front, something needs to be done with the subframe. I say call Stasis and ask where you can get it done. Worse case scenario is get the dealership to do the alignment and have them give you more negative camber.

The front only has toe adjustment. Rear has toe and camber. I can have Stasis do it, but I don't want to drive all the way up to Sonoma if I don't have to.

[swoardrider]

Little side note with the 265's. Even though the whole set up is 4-6 lbs lighter than my old set up, I've noticed a 2-4 mpg loss now on the freeway when going on long trips. I'm assuming it's from the added rolling resistance of a wider/stickier tire. Also maybe some loss in aerodynamics due to the tire sticking out more from the body??

[Spidee]

I'd say rolling resistance is the main player. However, I don't know if it could cause that much loss in mpg. Try to check that you're definitely back to 91 octane program.

I made a mistake after my last track day of not properly setting the car back to 91 octane. I was still on 100 octane. Hopefully I didn't cause any engine damage. I didn't know I was on 100 octane until I noticed I was getting 16mpg. Now I'm at 22mpg.

[swoardrider]

I'd say rolling resistance is the main player. However, I don't know if it could cause that much loss in mpg. Try to check that you're definitely back to 91 octane program.

I made a mistake after my last track day of not properly setting the car back to 91 octane. I was still on 100 octane. Hopefully I didn't cause any engine damage. I didn't know I was on 100 octane until I noticed I was getting 16mpg. Now I'm at 22mpg.

Yes, I will double check just to make sure. I don't remember ever switching it at the track though because they didn't have 100 oct available that day.

I did get an alignment and corner balance done. Their is a place in Mountain View called Custom Alignment. They are not cheap, but very professional. One thing I found out though is that since puting on the Ohlins and new rims and tires, the front end camber is not even. Left tire is -1.7 and right is -1.3. I may have bent somehing, but I don't recall ever hitting anything.

[Spidee]

Interesting....I'd like to know what is causing that when you find out.