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seatown88
04-13-2007, 11:57 AM
i have been trying to get my oil pan out for a day and a half now. the engine is lifted up and all. the oil pan wont budge loose as if there is a bolt still in it. i looked at the oil pan gasket that i bought and it has 16 little hole and four big hole for bolts. well i have 16 little bolt and 4 of the bigger bolts that mount vertically. then i took out 4 bolts with a hex head and allen head insde the hex head that were parrell to the drivetrain. they look like the go through the oil pan into the transmission. i also took off one nut and one big bolt that does the same. so if my math is right i have taken 26 bolts out. my question is do i have all of the bolts out

my car is a 97 1.8t auto

seatown88
04-13-2007, 04:38 PM
anyone know?

bOOOOstedAudi
04-13-2007, 09:40 PM
most likely there is still a bolt in there, triple check then keep in mind its not just going to fall off, you WILL have to pry it apart

seatown88
04-13-2007, 10:35 PM
there was one bolt still in it, and that stud i mentioned earlier was actually a bolt so after an hour messing around with that one bolt i dropped the oil pan but tomorrow after my test im gonna be lowering the subframe to get the oil pan fully out

ki11switch
08-19-2007, 12:49 AM
does anyone know how hard it is to lower the subframe?

audiness
08-19-2007, 07:32 AM
[mad] i wish dropping the oilpan was an easier task... more people should probably do it to clean their oil pickups

seatown88
08-19-2007, 10:54 AM
does anyone know how hard it is to lower the subframe?

to lower the front of the lower subframe?....its pretty easy, the tools you need are big breaker bar and a socket between 17-19mm i dont remeber which one. there are three large bolts by the front sway bar on each side. two next to each other, parallel to the front of the car and one 3-4 inches behind them. ill look for the write up i used.

seatown88
08-19-2007, 10:56 AM
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bronz
08-19-2007, 11:43 AM
i had the same problem on friends 97 1.8t. in order to remove the oil pan your gonna have to unbolt your trans. notice two holes where trans and oil pan meet about 4 inches in there are 2 more bolts that are pretty much impossible to be reached .

ki11switch
08-19-2007, 12:16 PM
thanks for the help!

are you sure you have to un blt the trans? should lifting the engine and dropping the subframe do it?

seatown88
08-19-2007, 01:12 PM
you are goin to have to loosen your transmission mounts.....
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if you are a manual you are going to have to turn your flywheel to reach some bolts as needed

SouRce4
08-19-2007, 01:27 PM
make sure that u got ever bolt out and u will have to tug a bit since it has been stuck on there with silicone for quite some time

ki11switch
08-19-2007, 11:47 PM
ok see lets see if im right

1) Lift engine a bit
2) lower sub frame
3) loosen tranny mounts
4) then remove all bolts holding pan in a pull out

seatown88
08-20-2007, 11:16 AM
1. remove torque support stop.
2. remove side brace from torque support brace.
3. remove torque spport bracket.
4. loosen motors mounts.
5. lift engine a bit.
6. lower the front of the subframe.
7. loosen tranny mounts
8. remove all oil pan bolts

sounds easy but it takes some time to do

darth tater
08-20-2007, 11:23 AM
loosen the trans mounts and also slightly loosn the rear subframe bolts that makes life much much easier..

also to hold the subframe down just pry down on the front of it and put sockets in between the frame rail of the car and the rubber mount for the subframe..

this usualy gives you plenty of clearance to get out the oil pan.

ki11switch
08-20-2007, 12:33 PM
1. remove torque support stop.
2. remove side brace from torque support brace.
3. remove torque spport bracket.
4. loosen motors mounts.
5. lift engine a bit.
6. lower the front of the subframe.
7. loosen tranny mounts
8. remove all oil pan bolts

sounds easy but it takes some time to do

whats the torque support?

kjgarreau
08-20-2007, 12:40 PM
Torque support stop = snub mount.

seatown88
08-20-2007, 12:44 PM
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onemoremile
08-20-2007, 12:56 PM
I loosened everything up as directed above and unbolted the motor mounts entirely. I wrapped a 2x4 with non-slip drawer liner and put it between the transmission and a bottle jack. The engine went up, the frame went down, and the pan finally wiggled free. It really wants to get stuck between the oil pump and the subframe. Some patience and wiggling it just the right way will pop it right out. The oil pump also has a hard time getting past the subframe since the pump is so tall.

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seatown88
08-20-2007, 01:30 PM
It really wants to get stuck between the oil pump and the subframe. Some patience and wiggling it just the right way will pop it right out. The oil pump also has a hard time getting past the subframe since the pump is so tall.



very true, i had to pry the subframe down with a 2x4 to get enough clearance

darth tater
08-20-2007, 01:34 PM
Just swing the swaybar down no need to take it all the way off like in those pics.

and take the front motor mounts all the way out.. not the rubber part but the part that the swaybar bolts too and also to the subframe.. I am not sure if those pics are just alter holding the subframe up temporarily but if you take those down.. you don't have to jack it up as far which risks damaging other parts.. up top.

ki11switch
08-22-2007, 05:00 PM
well i finally got it out after having to take off the front end. a couple of the bolts were very hidden and it took an hour or 2 to figure it out. now im just waiting on my oil pan to show up at my door step so can get this baby runnin again!

seatown88
08-22-2007, 05:07 PM
taking the front of made it so much easier for me to work on the car and it only takes me acouple minutes to do. glad to hear its off, good luck with the waiting, cant wait to hear about her running again

ki11switch
08-22-2007, 05:27 PM
thanks man