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kofoto
04-13-2007, 09:44 AM
hello! i wonder if some of you can share a little insight. i'm new to the forum and have learned a ton in a short while (mostly be searching and reading past threads).

for my 2000 A4 QTM, i'm looking to bump up the turbo from stock. i'm kind of torn right now between keeping it simpler and going with a k04 (although i don't think GIAC has the PC16 tune for a 2000?), or going with a BT (GT2X, GTRS, GT71R).

first i should explain what i want... this car is a daily driver for me. its my regular car and i use it for business so reliability is important. so far the car in general has been a very reliable car, but its still completely stock. as for goals, if i get up around 300 AWHP and 300 ft/lbs tq i think i'd be very very happy, but if i have to sacrifice a little bit of power for noticeably better reliability, i'm certainly willing to do that. i'm also willing to pay the extra cost to ensure i get the best reliability possible with my upgrades.

any good suggestions? i haven't bought the turbo yet or most of the upgrades that go with it. the only things i've done so far is upgrade to a stage 4 clutch, some upgraded mounts, and new suspension (bilstein shocks & h&r race springs). thanks for your help!

kristian

maxspeed
04-13-2007, 09:47 AM
your gonna need a pretty worked turbo setup for 300 ahwp.
you can immediatley cross k04, and GT2x off the list, and youd be pussing the limits of the GTRS eliminator at 300whp.

if you want something fast and reliable just get an apr s3 kit and call it a day

AudiRacerS4
04-13-2007, 09:55 AM
APR Stg 3 if you want a decently fast and reliable car

mike-2ptzero
04-13-2007, 10:06 AM
APR Stg 3 if you want a decently fast and reliable car

That and the 3+ still wont get him close to 300awhp. Only way to get that is to run race fuel on the 3+, RS/71r elims or have to end up with a built engine and a GT30.

kofoto
04-13-2007, 10:56 AM
ok. so maybe 300 awhp is pushing it a little. :) lets say maybe around 250 awhp. how does that sound? any strong considerations for greater reliability?

so the APR stage 3 kit is known for pretty good reliability? i was initially thinking of piecing together my own kit and going with Unitronic for tuning, but if APR has a good set i'm certainly willing to look at that.

btw, thanks everyone for your input so far, i really appreciate it!

Rosati
04-13-2007, 11:00 AM
TQMB5 ! Time to sell your ecu to this guy!

theskuh
04-13-2007, 11:24 AM
get a gtrs or gt71r elim.

my uneducated opinion

kofoto
04-13-2007, 11:32 AM
cool. thanks guys.

so are there any specific elements i should be taking into consideration with reliability being an important factor to me?

loustylez
04-13-2007, 11:41 AM
you can probably find more info on this, but simply put, if you're running the car hard on the freeway or something, you wanna let it cool down for a good minute or two drive of not boosting on the way home. you should probably get a boost guage when you upgrade your turbo. as long as you keep it maintained properly and try and let it cool down before shutting it off (driving, not sitting still), and letting the engine warm up in the morning on your way to work/wherever before boosting, all of that will keep your reliability up.

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
04-13-2007, 11:57 AM
more power = more problems... (sometimes...)

mike-2ptzero
04-13-2007, 12:15 PM
more power = more problems... (sometimes...)

Most of the time. Just the facts of pushing a 150-170hp stock engine to 2-4 times that. Things dont last long when making 350/liter.[:(]

Nor_Cal_Driver
04-13-2007, 12:19 PM
Get an S4 and baby the turbos.

killa
04-13-2007, 12:31 PM
Great tuning = reliability
However, dont expect 400whp to last you for 5 years on oem components, stock bottom ends are pretty strong but you can't be punishing them with bad tuning as they'll only put up with so much.
For example, i made 507whp on a stock ABA bottom end, but i understood that the tuning was what made the power and C16 helped keep everything in one piece.
hth
Paul

kofoto
04-13-2007, 02:35 PM
ok. so which is going to make for a more reliable car in the end would you say:
a smaller turbo running higher boost or a bigger turbo running lower boost?

AudiA4_20T
04-13-2007, 02:40 PM
didnt you listen? Boost is not going to wear stuff out its the tune and maitenance stuff

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
04-13-2007, 02:51 PM
didnt you listen? Boost is not going to wear stuff out its the tune and maitenance stuff

***cough***

Insel Fohrer
04-13-2007, 03:06 PM
If you have the money I'd go with the APR Stage III kit. Should give you what your looking for. And I think they will or are running a special on this kit[:D]

Insel Fohrer
04-13-2007, 03:32 PM
And if you want to go for something at a lower price point and stay with a K04 as you mentioned, you could check-out Neuspeed or AWEtuning. They both make K04 kits which should be very reliable and get you close to the Hp your looking for.

killa
04-14-2007, 10:28 AM
Or you guys can just wait till the summer for what's coming out.....

soupie69uk
04-14-2007, 10:44 AM
So with say a gt2871 eliminator is it a case of reducing the servicing intervals and belt changes to say every 5k oil etc and 40k for belts. If you get that long before something else goes!!

sean1.8t
04-14-2007, 10:44 AM
Or you guys can just wait till the summer for what's coming out.....

[confused] [headbang] [=(]

theskuh
04-14-2007, 10:49 AM
every 5k oil

what? 2.5k?

soupie69uk
04-14-2007, 11:53 AM
Like 5k miles as i was talking about the service intervals.

kofoto
04-14-2007, 02:02 PM
Or you guys can just wait till the summer for what's coming out.....

ehh?? what's this you speak of?

theskuh
04-14-2007, 02:26 PM
I restate you are waiting 5k miles to change oil? instead of what 7k? seems a bit long to me

killa
04-14-2007, 02:36 PM
ehh?? what's this you speak of?

BF kit[cool]

Wizard-of-OD
04-14-2007, 04:13 PM
BF kit[cool]

[cool]
Who wants more options?[:D]

soupie69uk
04-14-2007, 04:39 PM
I restate you are waiting 5k miles to change oil? instead of what 7k? seems a bit long to me

Yeah I change my oil etc every 5k miles. The book says every 10k or each year (whichever comes first).

theskuh
04-14-2007, 06:40 PM
Cool,

With the sludge issues, turbo and this engine lots of people do 3k or less oil changes. Thats the first I have seen anyone do anything longer.

sean1.8t
04-14-2007, 08:57 PM
[cool]
Who wants more options?[:D]

oh man, there are so many new products comeing out lately that im sooner or later going to have to purchase some of them. im just so happy [:)]

and ygpm

soupie69uk
04-15-2007, 08:46 AM
Cool,

With the sludge issues, turbo and this engine lots of people do 3k or less oil changes. Thats the first I have seen anyone do anything longer.

Bloomin heck, my mate with a work shop would be sick of the sight of me if I reduced the intervals much further!! [:D]

mike-2ptzero
04-15-2007, 08:55 AM
Bloomin heck, my mate with a work shop would be sick of the sight of me if I reduced the intervals much further!! [:D]

Well sludge issues are only on dino oil not so much on synthetic oil which can go up to 7,500 miles without a problem.

soupie69uk
04-15-2007, 10:32 AM
Well sludge issues are only on dino oil not so much on synthetic oil which can go up to 7,500 miles without a problem.

Cool cheers for the info. I use Castrol SLX II oil so should be ok. The VW approved stuff (5w-30).