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b00st
03-01-2007, 07:14 PM
is either one better than the other?

Audi A4 OEM Carbon Fiber Hood by Seibon: A4 OEM Carbon Fiber Hood - OEM Styling based on the stock hood, made from Grade A carbon fiber with OEM latch, rolled edges, and gloss clear coat $599

Audi A4 OEM Carbon Fiber Hood by VIS :OEM style carbon fiber hood made frim high modulus carbon fiber with UV resistant clear coat, underbody skeleton, rolled edges and OEM latch $699

only difference i see is the UV coat on the VIS hood. and a $100 difference.

anyone got preferences?

type911
03-01-2007, 07:33 PM
The VIS is always on ebay for 499+140 shipping.

recognize408
03-01-2007, 08:00 PM
Their both name brand, and there both good. Gotta ask yourself if the uv coat is worth the extra $100 to you.

AudiRacerS4
03-01-2007, 08:21 PM
definetly get the UV coat

.aye four.
03-01-2007, 09:47 PM
UV coating will protect your clearcoat and resin for clouding over time due to exposure from the sunlight. So yes it is worth the extra money.

onemoremile
03-01-2007, 10:49 PM
Vorsteiner. [:D]

speedydragon
03-01-2007, 11:10 PM
I have a Vis...and you really need hood pins for it. not sure bout the other brand.

b00st
03-01-2007, 11:34 PM
Vorsteiner. [:D]


not a fan. i only want OE look...no vents or mesh or anything....just OE style.

and yes i know about hood pins. was kinda hoping the Seibon had UV coating...that they just didn't mention it. i figured they would all have that by now.

599 or 699 was shipped.

Eurotuned_A4
03-02-2007, 01:16 AM
Where did you get these prices? I'm gonna order one soon, but I hear fiber images are top quality so I might get one of those. I'm just not sure if I can justify if they are worth the extra money.

sushi_turbo
03-02-2007, 02:39 AM
Don't forget that Fiber Images as well as AWE-Tuning's oem and vented hoods are some other options you could look at.

mike-2ptzero
03-02-2007, 08:08 AM
Don't forget that Fiber Images as well as AWE-Tuning's oem and vented hoods are some other options you could look at.

Exact same thing, both AWE and APR are FI dealers.

mike-2ptzero
03-02-2007, 08:10 AM
not a fan. i only want OE look...no vents or mesh or anything....just OE style.

and yes i know about hood pins. was kinda hoping the Seibon had UV coating...that they just didn't mention it. i figured they would all have that by now.

599 or 699 was shipped.



Really doesn't matter if the hood has UV coating because you will want to have a body shop spray the hood you end up buying with a couple coats of clear which should already have a UV additive in it.

creechsa4
03-02-2007, 08:13 AM
mine's a vis, i also recommend hood pins. when i get on it, the hood shakes a little. kinda makes me nervous.

jrodpikap
03-02-2007, 10:38 AM
Why do you need hood pins for the VIS?

A4Rob
03-02-2007, 11:00 AM
Why do you need hood pins for the VIS?

ALL CF hoods require hood pins

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
03-02-2007, 11:11 AM
VIS should be $600 shipped on Ebay from any of the power sellers

UN-PIMP-Z-A4
03-02-2007, 11:37 AM
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2 F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=vis+a4+carbon+fiber+hood&category0=

b00st
03-02-2007, 12:52 PM
i'll look into it...thanks guys.

BJC
03-02-2007, 02:06 PM
Whatever you do... do yourself a favor and get hood pins.

http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/cars/slvrbullet_accident/front_oldhood.jpg

http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/cars/slvrbullet_accident/front_pre.jpg

http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/cars/slvrbullet_accident/kenny.jpg

http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/cars/slvrbullet_accident/DSC01465.jpg

That hood was designed without hood pins...

b00st
03-02-2007, 03:44 PM
no question about it....if the hood goes on....hood pins go with it.

Poopie
03-02-2007, 09:02 PM
what hood pins are you guys running?

mike-2ptzero
03-03-2007, 08:30 AM
what hood pins are you guys running?

I am running a set I bought from Summit Racing.

http://mysite.verizon.net/restdnlz/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/hood.jpg

xAUDIx
03-03-2007, 09:48 AM
How do hood pins work exactly?

Eurotuned_A4
03-03-2007, 11:12 AM
Whatever you do... do yourself a favor and get hood pins.

http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/cars/slvrbullet_accident/front_oldhood.jpg


That hood was designed without hood pins...



off topic, but do these front brakes have audi rings on them? i might do that to my brembo calipers before i put them on.

fred2ka4
03-03-2007, 12:29 PM
not a fan. i only want OE look...no vents or mesh or anything....just OE style.

OEM style is the best in IMHO, but make sure that you have the hood cleared no matter which one you get because the UV protection will be better if you have a few good coats of clear put on and then buffed out. I have been running my hood for about a year now without hoodpins and no problems but I will be adding some shortly. FI also reinforces their fiberglass frames with CF to make them stronger.



http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j91/fred2ka4/Audiwithnewwheels012.jpg

A4Rob
03-03-2007, 01:03 PM
Sparco hood pins here

mike-2ptzero
03-03-2007, 06:24 PM
How do hood pins work exactly?

Secure the hood to the radiator support. This way there are 3 places that hold the hood to the car. Problem is that the stock latch location on the CF hood isn't strong enough to hold the hood down as the air gets under which acts like an airplane wing causing lift.

b00st
03-04-2007, 10:14 AM
Secure the hood to the radiator support. This way there are 3 places that hold the hood to the car. Problem is that the stock latch location on the CF hood isn't strong enough to hold the hood down as the air gets under which acts like an airplane wing causing lift.

is this creating more drag then?

b00st
03-04-2007, 10:17 AM
OEM style is the best in IMHO, but make sure that you have the hood cleared no matter which one you get because the UV protection will be better if you have a few good coats of clear put on and then buffed out. I have been running my hood for about a year now without hoodpins and no problems but I will be adding some shortly. FI also reinforces their fiberglass frames with CF to make them stronger.



http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j91/fred2ka4/Audiwithnewwheels012.jpg

i'ma paint mine too...so they will be clearing it. painting the sides, leaving the middle for CF look. i'm not really a fan of white/black. its too much contrast...so i'ma paint the sides to tone it down a bit...instead of one giant CF hoof.

mike-2ptzero
03-04-2007, 10:22 AM
is this creating more drag then?


Do you mean is the hood pins adding more drag or the fact that the air gets under the hood?

I dont think hood pins add drag and the fact is that the air still gets under the stock hood, you just dont see it move as much since it is more of a solid piece vs a CF or FG hood.

onemoremile
03-04-2007, 10:25 AM
is this creating more drag then?

Air is supposed to get under the hood. That is where the engine air intake is.

xAUDIx
03-04-2007, 01:01 PM
Secure the hood to the radiator support. This way there are 3 places that hold the hood to the car. Problem is that the stock latch location on the CF hood isn't strong enough to hold the hood down as the air gets under which acts like an airplane wing causing lift.

Anyone got a diagram? Im not sure i understand..

mike-2ptzero
03-04-2007, 04:49 PM
Anyone got a diagram? Im not sure i understand..

Are you asking how to install the hood pins on the B5?

onemoremile
03-04-2007, 04:54 PM
There is a vid here: http://www.hoodpins.com/ that shows how these work. This particular brand has a spring loaded pin. Most either have removable pins or a key lock.

This link shows you how to install hood pins.
http://www.venommotorsports.com/library/hoodpins.asp

xAUDIx
03-04-2007, 04:57 PM
Are you asking how to install the hood pins on the B5?

More or less..If a hood is designed without pins is it best to just stay away?

xAUDIx
03-04-2007, 05:00 PM
This link shows you how to install hood pins.
http://www.venommotorsports.com/library/hoodpins.asp

good stuff, but its for vw

onemoremile
03-04-2007, 05:16 PM
good stuff, but its for vw

Is there really that big of a difference? We both have radiator supports and hoods..

onemoremile
03-04-2007, 05:18 PM
More or less..If a hood is designed without pins is it best to just stay away?

No hood is designed with pins since every car (or owner) will have them in different locations. Once you find the spot on the radiator core support to mount the pins you just double check that spot on the hood and start the process of marking and drilling.

mike-2ptzero
03-04-2007, 05:23 PM
More or less..If a hood is designed without pins is it best to just stay away?

Doing the hood pins on the B5 is very simple and I ended up spending maybe an hour doing the ones on my car. The funny thing is that there is a spot marked on the radiator support that makes a perfect spot for doing hood pins. Just look right around where the head light is, you will see 2 lines that run front to back. Those lines are 2 support pieces that connect the 2 parts of the radiator support. Once you install the pins into the radiator support you can then mark the spots on the bottom of the hood where you need to drill out, when you drill out the holes just drill them so they angle back slightly.


Sorry I dont have pics of my pins installed into the support and if I had my car I would take pics but I dont have it at this time.

JaVa
03-04-2007, 05:25 PM
mount them in the hood first by measuring where the core support is. put the pins in and put grease on the bottoms of the pins, colse the hood till they toutch the core support and drill the holes for the pins in the core support where is grease marks are.

mike-2ptzero
03-04-2007, 05:40 PM
mount them in the hood first by measuring where the core support is. put the pins in and put grease on the bottoms of the pins, colse the hood till they toutch the core support and drill the holes for the pins in the core support where is grease marks are.

Only problem with installing them into the hood first is you could put them in the wrong spot and end up missing the radiator support completely.


Here is a picture showing my hood pin location on top of the hood
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/2716Hood_Pins_02.jpg

picture of the pins located on the support
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/2716Steering_Cooler_02.jpg

JaVa
03-04-2007, 05:48 PM
[QUOTE=mike-2ptzero;1461911]Only problem with installing them into the hood first is you could put them in the wrong spot and end up missing the radiator support completely.

duh sorry not thinking, i meant install them into the core support then grease the tops, and drill the hood.

xAUDIx
03-04-2007, 06:01 PM
Mike: Got any picture closer to the pins?

Also, how do the pins stay in place?

onemoremile
03-04-2007, 06:16 PM
Shoe polish also works great for transferring the pin locations to the bottom of the hood.

mike-2ptzero
03-04-2007, 07:03 PM
Mike: Got any picture closer to the pins?

Also, how do the pins stay in place?



1 nut and washer on either side of the rad support.

Cant seem to find any other pics at this time.

b00st
03-05-2007, 12:18 AM
Air is supposed to get under the hood. That is where the engine air intake is.

granted. i guess i was trying to say that would this cuz more air to get under than stock and is that really a good thing...i guess for engine temps....but if more is getting in then i'd assume more drag. i can be wrong...just wondering.

b00st
03-05-2007, 12:22 AM
Doing the hood pins on the B5 is very simple and I ended up spending maybe an hour doing the ones on my car. The funny thing is that there is a spot marked on the radiator support that makes a perfect spot for doing hood pins. Just look right around where the head light is, you will see 2 lines that run front to back. Those lines are 2 support pieces that connect the 2 parts of the radiator support. Once you install the pins into the radiator support you can then mark the spots on the bottom of the hood where you need to drill out, when you drill out the holes just drill them so they angle back slightly.


Sorry I dont have pics of my pins installed into the support and if I had my car I would take pics but I dont have it at this time.

good info on the hood pins and install mike. i think i'll just have the shop install them and let them worry about messing it up. since it has to be painted and cleared.

i think i'll roll with VIS over the SEIBON or FI...i found FI for 820 shipped. which is at a shop in south bend....i'd drive over but its a lil dangerous. hood would only be 645 then for an FI hood. but since i'm slapping on hood pins...i guess it really doesn't matter and having the hood hit with a few hits of clear on it. should be solid...hopefully the weight savings is all the same. FI says 13lbs. have no idea about the others.

Euro-Tuner
03-05-2007, 09:21 AM
http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/cars/slvrbullet_accident/front_oldhood.jpg



that is the ugliest fucking hood I've ever seen....

xAUDIx
03-05-2007, 11:34 AM
that is the ugliest fucking hood I've ever seen....

[down] Sorry bro but that was uncalled for, the thread isnt about opinions on the hood

Euro-Tuner
03-05-2007, 11:43 AM
my bad...I dont really see the big deal, but whatever makes you feel important, I'll try to keep it more related...

mike-2ptzero
03-05-2007, 12:22 PM
good info on the hood pins and install mike. i think i'll just have the shop install them and let them worry about messing it up. since it has to be painted and cleared.

i think i'll roll with VIS over the SEIBON or FI...i found FI for 820 shipped. which is at a shop in south bend....i'd drive over but its a lil dangerous. hood would only be 645 then for an FI hood. but since i'm slapping on hood pins...i guess it really doesn't matter and having the hood hit with a few hits of clear on it. should be solid...hopefully the weight savings is all the same. FI says 13lbs. have no idea about the others.

FI is the lightest on the market. Even the one I have now is 22 lbs.

goody6691
03-05-2007, 02:33 PM
that is the ugliest fucking hood I've ever seen....



of course that was the silver bullit. it needed all the venting it could get. that thing put down some sick numbers.

mike-2ptzero
03-05-2007, 03:31 PM
of course that was the silver bullit. it needed all the venting it could get. that thing put down some sick numbers.

The forward facing vent is actually a inlet for the intake filter which sat in the stock battery spot. Function > Looks.

Euro-Tuner
03-05-2007, 03:55 PM
fair enough..I agree function over looks anyday, but I was more aiming my comment toward the gaps in the front and the odd looking portion that overlaps the headlights....the grill is another thing all together...but as far as the hood goes...it just seems like poor fitment, if the vents are funtional, then I consede on that part of my comment, no hard feelings

b00st
03-05-2007, 09:33 PM
FI is the lightest on the market. Even the one I have now is 22 lbs.
OK thats kinda what i recall...most of the hoods being 22 lbs for VIS, Seibon, and your Vort.

13lbs is pretty light....i might really have to look for an FI hood. since all i've really done is weight addition instead of weight reduction.

HEAVY RIMS, BODY KIT, STEREO now going in. milltek exhaust weighs more than stock alumin. so it would be nice if i could go find a nice FI hood not for 1000 bucks or 820. and maybe do a light weight battery to help combat all the additions i've done.

xAUDIx
03-27-2007, 02:07 PM
Whats a pair of good hood pins? Not sure i wanna spend $35 though

mike-2ptzero
03-27-2007, 05:52 PM
Whats a pair of good hood pins? Not sure i wanna spend $35 though

I have a set of Moroso lightweight hood pins from Summit Racing, cost me $12.88.
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mor-39000.jpg

benzteck
03-27-2007, 10:12 PM
Don't try and get a seibon hood right now mines been on back order since I ordered it the week after superbowl.

mikeyvuitton
03-27-2007, 10:15 PM
OEM latches FTW.
i have an ebay special VIS hood. i paid 410+ 140 ship.
when it arrives ill post pics!

mike-2ptzero
03-27-2007, 10:38 PM
OEM latches FTW.
i have an ebay special VIS hood. i paid 410+ 140 ship.
when it arrives ill post pics!

I sure hope you dont like your windshield when driving fast on the fwy. The VIS hood is the worst when it comes to the stock hood latch mounting spots.

mikeyvuitton
03-27-2007, 10:50 PM
I sure hope you dont like your windshield when driving fast on the fwy. The VIS hood is the worst when it comes to the stock hood latch mounting spots.

eh, we shall see. maybe its good? worst comes to worst. ill drill holes.

xAUDIx
04-09-2007, 12:14 PM
Is there a way to mount the windshield spayers on the Hood...I was looking at my stock hood and it looks impossible to get the sprayers out....

xAUDIx
04-09-2007, 12:18 PM
I have a set of Moroso lightweight hood pins from Summit Racing, cost me $12.88.
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mor-39000.jpg

How does the scuff plate stay?

mike-2ptzero
04-09-2007, 12:48 PM
How does the scuff plate stay?


I just slide it on, but you could always attatch it to the hood if you want. I did not want ones that used screws since I did not plan on putting screws into my CF hood.

tunerb5
04-09-2007, 01:43 PM
Only problem with installing them into the hood first is you could put them in the wrong spot and end up missing the radiator support completely.


Here is a picture showing my hood pin location on top of the hood
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/2716Hood_Pins_02.jpg

picture of the pins located on the support
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/2716Steering_Cooler_02.jpg


whats the diameter of the pin?

xAUDIx
04-09-2007, 02:30 PM
whats the diameter of the pin?

His are 3/8th but im thinkin bout going 1/2...

Do you think it makes a big difference?