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Rosati
02-25-2007, 05:49 PM
whatll happen?

One of my good buddies has an "intaked" ($250 bw) 03 350z (low miles, babied)

swears that my Audi cant touch him.

So with that being said, Can a stage 2 audi (+?) take him from a dig? to say maybe 60-70?

Any Pc 16/J31 guys run them?

Heres a few stock dyno results for the Z: (stock supposedly)dragtimes.com

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13.822* 101.330 8.956 80.790 2.133 Yes Nissan 350Z performance 2003 AJ Pesce
13.854* 104.890 9.076 82.710 2.322 30.0 Yes Nissan 350Z fairladyZ 2003 Billy
13.915* 100.730 8.997 79.670 2.043 45.0 Yes Nissan 350Z 2003 Brian Gustafson
13.951 101.100 9.060 80.070 2.140 58.0 Yes

Dyno: (same site)

2003 Nissan 350Z Dyno Dynamometer Results Graph
Horsepower: 242.50 HP
Torque: 239.40 ft-lbs


Our Pc16's put out more hp and more torque right? almost 300 according to AWE Factor in the weight and AWD and id say we would be at a slight disadvantage


Im gonna say ill have him up to 50 and hes taking it after that....... what do you think? (when i do get the neseccary fmic, etc, what its only 60 bucks, my tax return will cover that and injectors and a test pipe, used though)

what do you think? never made a post like this so i dont wanna hear it! everyone is allowed one!

pac1085
02-25-2007, 06:04 PM
i doubt it pc-16 has a hard time running lower than 14.0

SeanF
02-25-2007, 06:16 PM
that puts almost as much power to the wheels as pc16 has at the crank...

sean1.8t
02-25-2007, 06:18 PM
350Z will eat you alive.. even from a dig

A4Rob
02-25-2007, 06:23 PM
that puts almost as much power to the wheels as pc16 has at the crank...

EXACTLY

300 that awe says is chp. not whp. the 350 showed whp

type911
02-25-2007, 06:23 PM
You quoted the 350 z wheel hp to pc-16 possible cranck HP. Your only shot is cold pavement for his street tires and a good launch for you along with a short area to run in.

Aliel
02-25-2007, 06:24 PM
350Z stock do about 14.3-14.5 in the 1/4 mile from what I've read, meanwhile I have ran a 13.9 with my PC-16 personally so I would say it would be really close and maybe the Audi can pull a little on it. HP is not always everything.

Re5pectThe_Cuz
02-25-2007, 06:25 PM
sorry to say it the 350z will own it

Rosati
02-25-2007, 06:27 PM
Nice time, Al was that w/ the boost machine? and at what psi ? do you remember? (compared to GIAC Pc16 w/o machine)

911 i agree w/ you but just as much as the other guys who'd say id get beat..

When i quoted awe i meant the torque rating, so i already know that part.

I drove his car plenty

For a 3.5, its got a SHITLOAD of low end torque for such a big engine, i was driving and we lost to an evo......

It was modded but you know what , if this is really gonna be a good race, then i cant wait, and most likely the pavement WILL be cold, but at the same time, i will still say that im not confident that i'll win

Aliel
02-25-2007, 06:30 PM
It was about 22-23 and I did up my boost with the Boost Machine. I had Sunoco 94 in it too.

Now I'm running 15-16 PSI because I am babying my motor and the Boost Machine is replaced with a Greddy Profec-B

Re5pectThe_Cuz
02-25-2007, 06:36 PM
what year is your buddy's 350z?

Rosati
02-25-2007, 06:41 PM
2003 (first year)

hes got the 18 inch rims as well which will help , not the nismo pkg i think its the luxury package

Lazer Viking
02-25-2007, 06:43 PM
its an 03 as previously stated

Re5pectThe_Cuz
02-25-2007, 06:57 PM
oh my bad must have missed it. The 03-04's have more low end torque and less Hp up top. 05+ has less torque, more HP and a higher rev. Intake wont do much for that car, if anything at all. Sometimes its been shown to lose hp in the lower rpms and gain in the higher ones. Only one way to know tho. Race and report back

Burntaudi
02-25-2007, 06:58 PM
You will get beat. I raced one at the track last summer. 1st race I beat him by a lot and I thought hey those aren't as fast as I thought. But then 2nd race I ran almost the same and he beat me by at least 3 car lengths. He either missed a shift or wasn't trying the first time.

Rosati
02-25-2007, 07:08 PM
Burnt, im sorry , what are your mods?

Don Supreme
02-25-2007, 07:15 PM
You will lose.........

Well hold a second there is one important thing you didn't mention.

Trans?

Are you both manual? Do they even make an auto 350z?

BranCKY3
02-25-2007, 07:18 PM
Video tape it please.

Rosati
02-25-2007, 07:22 PM
Damn Don, you didnt have to get all Ivan Drago on me..... :P

We are both manual, i am a better driver.

Yes they do make Auto Z's, Tip too

I prolly would Bran

Don Supreme
02-25-2007, 07:40 PM
Ivan Drago.... Good one.

Well good luck..

Burntaudi
02-25-2007, 07:45 PM
Burnt, im sorry , what are your mods?

I think similar to your setup K04,PC-16, Exhaust,Stage III clutch....

Aliel
02-25-2007, 07:47 PM
^^^^ What were your 1/4 mile numbers?

Rosati
02-25-2007, 07:50 PM
Don i was kidding bro....

Well burnt, i would be running stock exhaust and clutch (which both are in good condition for their age)

Im not too set on even getting an exhause unless i find one used, local

and clutch? hah I dont even want to think of one right now

Burntaudi
02-25-2007, 07:56 PM
^^^^ What were your 1/4 mile numbers?

High 13's- Low 14's.

BranCKY3
02-25-2007, 07:58 PM
If you can launch you'll probably have him beat up to 60 at least. IIRC they pull a mid 5second 0-60 time, with a pro driver. PC-16 should be under 6 seconds if you can launch good. Also, they only trap at 101mph stock, I believe Aliel? trapped at ~100mph with his k04 setup.

seank
02-25-2007, 07:58 PM
you will lose.

speedydragon
02-25-2007, 08:03 PM
good luck with the race ^^

Aliel
02-25-2007, 08:09 PM
I think it was 99 but I gotta double check the slips.


If you can launch you'll probably have him beat up to 60 at least. IIRC they pull a mid 5second 0-60 time, with a pro driver. PC-16 should be under 6 seconds if you can launch good. Also, they only trap at 101mph stock, I believe Aliel? trapped at ~100mph with his k04 setup.

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 08:21 PM
you guys are kidding me k04 Pc16 file should more then definetly hang with stock 350z .. hell i hung with 3 of them from dead stop up to 70-80 mph with me current setup
tuned cars usually perform better then stock cars..i seen Civic's type R(of course bolt ons ) about 150whp hang with some stock s4

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 08:25 PM
and yes 350z dont even get close to 13.8 in 1/4 m. usually is 14.4 to 14.6.. they raced it with E46 M3>>, the M3 did 13. 3 and 350z was no where near: best one i have seen my self was 14.2 they are slauches good for drifftin rofl

Don Supreme
02-25-2007, 08:30 PM
hey can do high 13s stock with a great driver...

Your friend will probably run mid 14s based on your description of his driving skills. :-)

Re5pectThe_Cuz
02-25-2007, 08:36 PM
youve got to be kidding. Best time that was achieved on 350z forums was a 13.5 or 13.6 with a very good driver of course. I used to be an owner of one and trust me they are quick. not fast. Quick.

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 08:38 PM
^^^^^^^^then how come they dont even get close to the M3 which does 13.3 usually some times even less

sean1.8t
02-25-2007, 08:38 PM
i seen Civic's type R(of course bolt ons ) about 150whp hang with some stock s4

that's cause they usually weigh half as much as an S4.. my buddy has a 2000lb civic hatch with 213 all motor whp. that thing is fast..

Rosati
02-25-2007, 08:39 PM
^^ waiting for a responce to GIAC

yes i know they arent too good in the quarter so id like to limit the run to a 1/4 or less , ive driven it myself on the highway and its no pushover

Plus im not a big street racer , or drag racer , i strive to be on the Autox circuit , Placed fourth in the Club class of the mazda rev it up tour

Ive seen a lot at a young age, id love to get his ass on the glen or something similar, i bet he'd be too afraid to track his car so id have to leave it to the street..... sorry dads out there.... ill be careful

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 08:45 PM
rosati>> i raced one with my current setup from dead stop. he chirped his tires i launched and took of 2 car max i ahd on him then he was gain top of 2nd gear ,, dead even until 3rd gear up to 70mhp then he just whipped me :)).. no biggei he got scared at first he told me .. with the k04 pc16 u shoudd hang on with him on a roll from dead stop i really think you could beat it .. i dont wonna rgue as to each has its own opinion but am talking from experience

Re5pectThe_Cuz
02-25-2007, 08:48 PM
^^^^^^^^then how come they dont even get close to the M3 which does 13.3 usually some times even less


B/c that was a very good driver with a lot of experience...not everyone and the average joe can do that. An M3 will be pretty consistent b/c its powerful but people have run high 13's in M3's just as they have run a 13.2...also trap speed is whats important as well not just the time

Rosati
02-25-2007, 08:53 PM
Thank you i appreciate it, im sure if you lost you would say so as well.

As i said it was your opinion, i didnt think i can win in the beginning , but remember
My Head was just rebuilt so it is running like new (compared to a regular high mileage head) My engine sounds like new might i add....

So just for the engine being in good running order, plus pc16, is better off than a tired one being pushed w/ the high boost of the pc16 (aka K04 killer)

And to be honest, i have not mastered launching quattro

I am stock right now and can launch stock , but, dont practice bc it isnt worth it at all im guessing it would be different w/ S/W

BranCKY3
02-25-2007, 08:59 PM
Launching is really easy... keep the RPM's steady at like 2500 rpm, start to floor it on and off really quick, just so it exceeds around 3000rpm, then go WOT at 3000 and drop the clutch quickly around 3500-4000 rpm. I launched like that with my k04 on stock clutch and it was pretty damn quick off the line.

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 08:59 PM
true ..trap speed is very important but what am saying and M3 driver who gets high 13 in 1/4 is not worthy of driving that car you said it ur self M3 are consistent 350z with a good driver i have seen my self has gotten 14.2 i dunno mabe the one you seen was a better driver but this is the best 350z time i have seen to date

Rosati
02-25-2007, 09:02 PM
yeah bran thx i remember saving Mike hood's notes about two years ago on launching quatt

you had J31 before you sold right?

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 09:05 PM
best A4 with K04 Pc 16 file i i seen is 13.7(audiworld) best one i have heared is 13.4 (car magazine), worst one was 14.6 friend of mine disapponited me and he is in Vwvortex

Rosati
02-25-2007, 09:08 PM
^^lol

well as i said before, AW guys call the pc 16 setup the K04 killer

Id say that has me worried but I will be upgrading my oil to turbo line soon as a precaution

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 09:14 PM
yo rosati tu parla italiano? rofl
You in North jersey.. where? am i N. Jersey

Aliel
02-25-2007, 09:21 PM
yo rosati tu parla italiano?

It's: Tu parli italiano? LOL

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 09:24 PM
hahah yeah man

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 09:26 PM
Alieno ka boesh ti me lale si re nga tirona t'kemi ty

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 09:37 PM
for those who didnt understnad Aliel and me are from the same country and didnt even know it

b00st
02-25-2007, 09:39 PM
this is all bullshit....half the people are magazine racing here...going off what they know from someone else, seen, or heard.

let me tell you i've raced plenty of 350z....including a decent modded one...up to 120mph. we were dead even from 70. the 350z was beating the z28 with bolts and i went to play with my wife following behind in her G35. down low i would take this guy by .5 CL to 1 CL.

the stockers that i have raced which has been 3 350z's and 1 G35...i've beaten by 2 CLs. if your car is is good shape it shouldn't be an issue. they got no tq....for experience most drivers are running 14.3 - 14.5....and i've seen even decent people cut 15.1 to 15.x. i'd start it from 10mph though...unless you have a clutch.

Last year i tried to settle this with my friends G35 and my brother in laws turbo IS300. he's a good driver in the G35 (mods are Technosquare Reflash, Plenum, Y-Pipes, and Pop Charger, 275s out back with good trend for decent hook up outta the hole.) My brother in laws IS3 but down 300/300 to the tires....we were dead even. Mustang GTs in the same class. i used to beat my friends all the time...granted if he didn't spin so much it might be closer. I rained the day we were going to the track to settle who was fastest. then my friend crashed his G35 and my brother in law sold is IS300T. i guess i win be default now [:D]

but i think you would put up a great race.....IF...and i say...IF....your car is in proper order...i've seen plenty of PC16 cars with bad dynos and shitty results. ge the kinks worked out and you can take a 350z with a few bolts ons, with a decent driver. if you really want to snake him in....start the run at 2300rpms or so and hit it....should be prime for your car and not his. post results and let us know....enough of this discussion on maybe's. i've done it plenty of times and got proper from the guy who had some decent bolt ons...from the dig down low...i would own him from 10-70. from 70-120....nobody moved an inch on each other.

now i have seen some tear ass...but doesn't sound like your buddies is that type...and i'm not talking FI 350zs. just do it and post results!

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 09:44 PM
^^^^^^ yes exactly what i was trying to say

Aliel
02-25-2007, 09:47 PM
Alieno ka boesh ti me lale si re nga tirona t'kemi ty

GiacGrs4 nuk ma merrte menja qe do gjeja shqiptar tek ky forumi [:D] Une nga tirona jam. Nga je ti?

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 09:49 PM
Tirona me lale Tirona re biles.. ashtu thoja dhe une po ja ku dole. lol..
you got PM

BranCKY3
02-25-2007, 09:52 PM
yeah bran thx i remember saving Mike hood's notes about two years ago on launching quatt

you had J31 before you sold right?

I'm an 01, I had the regular k04 chip.

Rosati
02-25-2007, 10:05 PM
o my albanian neighbors..... your killin me :P

io parlo un poco , mezz' a mezz' shoulda payed attention in high school , maybe thats why my italian teacher hated me

Im from the fort lee area, how about you? come to edgewater


BOOST great post, i appreciate it , i was looking for experience, but , i would have known the answers if people posted about it more often,

havent seen anyone messin w/ the Z's on here (k04 at least)

You guys are giving me audizine HP ;) (car beer muscles)

derek2079
02-25-2007, 10:11 PM
sorry to say you will loose that is why my next car is going to be a 350z

Rosati
02-25-2007, 10:20 PM
well good for you bro

Good luck to you in the Utah winters w/ a 350z

Tiluleshpingen
02-25-2007, 10:21 PM
^^^ derek2079 meh moving on

b00st
02-25-2007, 10:22 PM
BOOST great post, i appreciate it , i was looking for experience, but , i would have known the answers if people posted about it more often,

havent seen anyone messin w/ the Z's on here (k04 at least)

You guys are giving me audizine HP ;) (car beer muscles)

search for some of my posts. I posted on that 350z (with bolts ons who was racing a Z28 with bolts ons). prolly goes into more detail. i think it was post AZ crash.

a good modded 350z has cams, y-pipes, exhaust, headers, JWT pop charger, plenum, reflash. now those are another story. most just have exhaust and pop charger...if they hang on a forum. the short ram air yields more HP on those cars than the longer ones. JWT pop charger being the most popular. cuz its cheap and yields better gains than the rest. last time i look they were on version 4 or 5 of the intake plenum. but most people don't do that on those. most go exhaust, some kinda heavy ass rims, and some kind of K&N filter deal.

sure some great drivers have gone into the 13s. but most i find hanging low to mid 14s for stock. so you should be able to be right there provided your car is running in order. decently running PC16 cars are doing low to mid 14s. great running pc16 cars are 13.8 or 13.9 to 14.1

but this should go down from a roll....again catch him at a low rpm...if you catch him at a high rpm...you will be out of your prime and into his. but thats if you really want to street race....or if you wan to keep it fair...roll from 10 and see what happens. then roll from 70 and see what happens or roll from 55ish and see. i pick all over the board to see what happens so i know where i can't run my car and where i should be.

b00st
02-25-2007, 10:27 PM
sorry to say you will loose that is why my next car is going to be a 350z


and you know that cuz what? you ran you PC16 vs a 350z and lost? [headbang]

Rosati
02-25-2007, 10:28 PM
^^^^^^ X2

Will do.

You would definately suggest the 310cc injectors though right?

Aliel lives right by me so i can test my setup w/ him , he took me for a ride in his car and i was lovin it (we threw my Gf in the back seat lol)

so three of us in the car and i was just lovin how hard and strong the boost hit and stayed until it just DIED all of a sudden around 6k it goes just as fast as it comes....

So gotta learn to shift around that -- Boost what are your stage 3 plans?

edit: ok i see Gt28rs huh, funny because i had the same thing in mind if pc 16 wasnt gonna do it for me

I might either stop at pc16 or get a FD (mazda rx7) to be my speed demon

b00st
02-25-2007, 10:34 PM
honestly i'd go with the USRT 315cc injectors. and then adjust the fuel pressure...might have to drop it down a tad. it has the factory correct dual spray pattern which should make things better for your. file is tuned on RC310s which yields a flow rate of 270cc. i have the bosch red top 310s...they didn't have the USRT's back when i ordered mine...at least not to my knowledge. so i went with the 310s.

my stage 3 plans are secret for now...could be stage 4...just a bigger turbo...nothing like a GT35R or anything like that...but somethin something [;)]

and you have FMIC, decent exhaust, good/fresh plugs in, fuel filter changed, MAF with 50k or less on it, O2 sensors with 50k or less.
all my stuff is new on my car. EVOMS FMIC and MILLTEK exhaust so i have 2.75" exhaust instead of the more common 2.5" but i may have to give it up when i go bigger and runn a full 3" front to back...at least to max out potential. DP right now is milltek at 2.5".

if i really want to max it out i would swap out my stock cat for a TP but i don't like the smell or the code and i do have emissions to go through. non-fouler mod is a PITA. Stage 3 SW will let me run a TP with no CEL [;)]

Rosati
02-25-2007, 10:39 PM
Nice, im sure ill see an eye catching post when you install it

so w/ adjustable fpr and 315's what should it be set at exactly?

b00st
02-25-2007, 10:44 PM
right now i'm doing cosmetics....interior stuff. microsuede inspired by A4ROB and install my stereo that has been sitting around forever. just one 10" PG sub. i don't want both in for weight savings. and i'm getting a CF hood. then going to pick up a B6 S4 and drop RNS-E in it thanks to PROXUS. then its onto the figuring out the parts to the BT kit. oh and doing a clutch this year first. OFE SS. i need a daily driver first before we start on tearing my car apart.

so CF hood, some interior stuff, stereo, and buying a B6 S4 are my mods for this year. plus i have to buy the wife a new car....07 G35...we are trading in the 04...i just couldn't resist when the gave me an 07 for the day. now i have to have it with out a doubt.

b00st
02-25-2007, 10:48 PM
Nice, im sure ill see an eye catching post when you install it

so w/ adjustable fpr and 315's what should it be set at exactly?


well with the red top 310s...its supposed to be 2.7-2.8 bar. but i run mine at 2.9, file tends to run lean. which is 42psi...or maybe i went down to 41psi...i'd have to start the car to see.

honestly you can do logs and see for your self where optimum is. its different on every car. but 2.7 should be fine...might run a little rich or just right since the file tends to run lean. i'd start at 2.7 and do some logs to see.

and make sure you can off the vac line before setting the fuel pressure. for mine to really take affect and ge the fuel trim to hold properly i had to take the negative off the battery terminal...cuz just adjusting it...the ECU will compensate. i let it sit off for about a day...once i got home from work till the next morning. so i set it to 41psi and then disconnected the battery....then next morning, i reconnected. it rode ruff for about 20 miles or so....then it went to all good. before i was just taking off the negative terminal for 20 minutes...and soon i had the fuel pressure at 52psi and still no difference i couldn't get it to run rich. then i just let it sit there over night...doesn't need to be that long maybe 2hrs....then the ECU took to my setting. at 41psi. it will go through its adjusting/learning period, then it will start running smooth....the beginning will be a lil rough...but it will learn.

Rosati
02-25-2007, 11:01 PM
looks like we gotta deal w/ some "fine print issues" for pc16 huh

well when i do get it (within the month) ill be posting about it , but great info

bookmarking now.

Yeah first i gotta get my ass a Vagcom [:p]


One more thing, how many miles have you had you Pc16 for, as i mentioned before, alot of the AW guys vote against it and say the file is too much for the turbo and its killed many k04s

Eurotuned_A4
02-26-2007, 12:44 AM
350z arent that fast. ive ridden in them a few times, and i wasnt that impressed. my pc16 felt like it had more power, but turbo cars give that feeling. just give it a try and see what heppens. it will be closer than you think....

Aliel
02-26-2007, 12:52 AM
Aliel lives right by me so i can test my setup w/ him , he took me for a ride in his car and i was lovin it (we threw my Gf in the back seat lol)

so three of us in the car and i was just lovin how hard and strong the boost hit and stayed until it just DIED all of a sudden around 6k it goes just as fast as it comes....

So gotta learn to shift around that --


Hahahaha yeah sorry about that. Hope your Gf didnt get scared that night. [:p] LOL

Aliel
02-26-2007, 12:55 AM
Nice, im sure ill see an eye catching post when you install it

so w/ adjustable fpr and 315's what should it be set at exactly?

I have the USRT 315's and my FPR is set around 39-40 psi, I'll take a look and double check or I can just come down and help you if you need me. We can have the cars side by side and just keep tuning it till they run about the same.

Militant-Grunt
02-26-2007, 07:50 AM
you will lose.

I doubt that. The 350z is not a quick car. I raced both a 350Z and a G35c with the 5000lbs ML55, dead even with till 60 at which point the ML55 pulls ahead. If you're saying that you have about 300 at the crank you can easily take him, not only that. The 350z is heavier than the B5 A4 at 3217 lbs. while the A4 is at 3130 lbs. (If you're 99 and below. Face lift is 100 lbs heavier for some reason.) I say go for it AWD + good shifts can take him.

Rosati
02-26-2007, 08:42 AM
I have the USRT 315's and my FPR is set around 39-40 psi, I'll take a look and double check or I can just come down and help you if you need me. We can have the cars side by side and just keep tuning it till they run about the same.

Nice bro, sounds great and dont worry abou her she follows me wherever lol my guys are always like why do u bring her everywhere, its great bc she never complains haha

I drove his car, its fast ,but yes after being in Al's car, the "turbo torque" definately felt a little stronger, but remember these cars have very wide power bands

i just think he'll choke on the launch becuase hell prob. rev too high and spin the tires knowing that im gonna launch high w/ quattro


So we shall see ................ Al do you wanna run him? Just so we dont have to wait for results? the main differences between him and I would be an exhaust an if hes running his rims, i would be on stock 16's w./ nice tread. But it did just snow today so we would have to wait regardless

Yo grunt, wtf did you do to that ML!? is it SC'd?

Militant-Grunt
02-26-2007, 08:53 AM
Nice bro, sounds great and dont worry abou her she follows me wherever lol my guys are always like why do u bring her everywhere, its great bc she never complains haha

I drove his car, its fast ,but yes after being in Al's car, the "turbo torque" definately felt a little stronger, but remember these cars have very wide power bands

i just think he'll choke on the launch becuase hell prob. rev too high and spin the tires knowing that im gonna launch high w/ quattro


So we shall see ................ Al do you wanna run him? Just so we dont have to wait for results? the main differences between him and I would be an exhaust an if hes running his rims, i would be on stock 16's w./ nice tread. But it did just snow today so we would have to wait regardless

Yo grunt, wtf did you do to that ML!? is it SC'd?

Just a custom Cai. Its @ 342hp 375 torque. It gets to the G's and the Z's everytime. I'm not full of it either. Esp at higher speed those v6's run out of steam.

seank
02-26-2007, 09:00 AM
the 3 people i know with 350z's all ran around 13.9's basically stock[confused]

b00st
02-26-2007, 12:33 PM
the 3 people i know with 350z's all ran around 13.9's basically stock[confused]


problem is there are too many factors. weather conditions, track conditions, elevation, driver, etc. there are plenty of stock Zs are rate around 14.1-14.3 per magazine.
lets see here....we have

Sports Compact Car: quoting the z doing: Quarter Mile time: 14.1 sec. this is the TRACK PACKAGE
Road and Track with a 2004 Roadster doing: 14.3 sec @ 99.6 mph
Road and Track with an 03 Track 350z doing: 14.3 again.
Road and Track 2004 Nismo 350z doing: 14.0
Car and Driver: 2004 Touring and 35th Anni doing: 14.3 seconds
Car and Driver: 2003 350z model not specified: quarter-mile in 14.1 seconds at 101 mph
Motor Trend: 2004 Enthusiast 350z: 1/4 mile, sec @ mph 13.9 @ 102.2
Motor Trend: 2003 Track 350z: 1/4 mile, sec @ mph 14.0 @ 101.2
Motor Trend: 2006 Roadster Touring: 14.3 sec @ 98.7 mph

all pro drivers. so the average drivers i see doing 14.3 to 14.7....seems in line to me. and i'm sure there are some who can turn the better time. but half the peeps i see turn 14.5....seems in line no?

seank
02-26-2007, 12:42 PM
yeh i understand that times can vary i'm just saying my 3 friends with 350z's, all track packages, ran 13.9's, stock, minor weight reduction, i.e remove spare and basic stuff like that. on a highway pull i think the 350z has it, 1/4 it comes down to luck and driver but i think the 350z will reward a worse driver more than a k04 a4 b/c of the the power. this just has to happen and we will see the outcome.

Don Supreme
02-26-2007, 01:09 PM
I just don't think he can win from a roll. A stop light to stop light race then hell yes, but a full 1/4 starting from a roll.... nope...

Please I emplore you... skip the ko4.... Get at very minimum a GT28RS.

You will thank me later... I hear things like 310 - 315cc injectors........ You cannot make power on that little fuel. I am not saying you should run 630cc injectors on your ko4, but gosh if all you need is 315 then you simply are not making any power. (Stock EVOS are QUICK, but not fast and they come stock with 550 cc injectors)

It will be cheaper to go BT the first time around.... I have seen FWD, 4 door maximas (2002-2005) with the vq35 engine (Same as Z) + mods and they run low 13s (13.3-13.4) in the 1/4. They have a few motor mods (exhaust, headers, etc).

I feel that kO4s are keeping our community back. Go and take a ride in AUDISNAPPERS (Sp*) car. He is running a full GT28RS kit. I have never riden in his car our met him, but I have been in Emils 2001 A4 when it was GT28RS equipped.

If you take that ride I am sure you won't think twice about skipping the KO4.

seank
02-26-2007, 01:13 PM
^very true, i had almost everything to go k04 minus the turbo and finally got a ride in a k04 setup and was def disappointed, so i decided to save more for a GTRS.

b00st
02-26-2007, 01:16 PM
yeh i understand that times can vary i'm just saying my 3 friends with 350z's, all track packages, ran 13.9's, stock, minor weight reduction, i.e remove spare and basic stuff like that. on a highway pull i think the 350z has it, 1/4 it comes down to luck and driver but i think the 350z will reward a worse driver more than a k04 a4 b/c of the the power. this just has to happen and we will see the outcome.

for me that wasn't the case....i've beaten them all when stock. and the modded one ran evens like i said. full exhaust, intake, chip, i don't recall if he had the new plenum or not. none the less he thought he had me cuz he had that camaro....gave me props...said thats a pretty quick a4 i got. honestly i was surprised that he didn't move an inch on me. especially since we were running to 120-125ish. so if the car is in order....you can keep up. i wish my video camera worked...its really a digi cam...so not a video cam....sucks at night. can't see anything.

but i will agree a 350z will reward a worse driver than a k04 powered a4. i know its not a lot of power....but a decently tuned a4 can do fairly well. pc16 can do low 14s...so can a 350z....powerband on an a4 will come on sooner than a 350z...so drive right and you can win. proper shifting in the a4 and keeping it in the powerband should yield a win. i only run up to about 80-85 from digs or 10mph rolls. highway normally i cut off at 110 or 115.

and as you said and i said....this just has to happen.

Don Supreme
02-26-2007, 01:23 PM
^ I disagree about the powerband. The 350z has a 3.5L v6 for gods sake.... You think it doesn't have a wider powerband?

The KO4 spikes and then drops off quickly....... Thats just a spike.

Rosati
02-26-2007, 01:30 PM
I mentioned before that after driving his , its got an extremely wide powerband for such a large engine.

B6 a4's are heavier than ours. butttt

Funny you should say that Don, in the back of my mind i knew the Pc16 is going to be a month to month stepping stone to BT.

And when i say Bt the only thought that came to my head was the 28RS.

Affordable and reliable. So i always told myself this: if the Pc16 isnt up to par or strong enough for me, because , lets face it , im a guy, i want a FAST car , ok. and one that i can put girls in at the same time.

But with that being said, I could sell my future setup right and get what? almost $1000 for it? and then id only need how much more for a 28Rs setup?

im hopin one of the guys who said the had a good connect on here, can hook me up as well :) hehe i think you know who you are.....

so yes i do agree w/ you but im workin with what i have here , plus im starting a new job and just like my sig implies, ALL YOU NEED IS MONEY RIGHT!??!

Don Supreme
02-26-2007, 01:33 PM
Yes I agree all we need is money and all I am saying is save the money until you can do it right.

Shoot you could probably do a t3/t4 setup for almost the same price as a ko4. Those turbos are dirt cheap and can make big power.

Rosati
02-26-2007, 01:40 PM
yeah but i wouldnt have the resources or software for (fine) tuning T3/T4's

who tuned Audisnapr's? i should IM him..

Don Supreme
02-26-2007, 01:50 PM
The Unitronic BT file for 2001s should do the trick.

seank
02-26-2007, 01:55 PM
def wait till you can go BT man. I'm glad i got a ride in one before i bought the most important part of the setup, the turbo. you WILL get bored of it very fast.

b00st
02-26-2007, 01:56 PM
^ I disagree about the powerband. The 350z has a 3.5L v6 for gods sake.... You think it doesn't have a wider powerband?

The KO4 spikes and then drops off quickly....... Thats just a spike.

I remember I raced a KO4 powered, MTM tuned B6. He wouldn't even look me in the face after the run.


so a 1973 NOVA with a chevy 350 made 170Hp whats your point. and i have a G35 already with a 3.5L....big deal.

ummm....any NA car typically has to run to peak rpms to make peak HP. max TQ around 4xxx rpms. its not a race car or viper, or vette, just a car with 287hp, 260 or 274 TQ.....not impressive.

check my dyno....show me when mine spikes up and drops off.....let me save you from that. it doesn't both my curves are flat. TQ spikes at 2200rpms and pretty much holds to 6000 and then starts to barely decrease....my HP maxes around 5600 rpms and does a little taper off after that. its not up and down....and thats when my car ran like crap. sorry don...i disagree with you.

point being...both cars being a pc16 a4 and 350z....run low 14s on average.

Rosati
02-26-2007, 02:05 PM
Unitronic for 01's Im AEB DBC ....

Boost be easy man [up]

Compared to something like a 28rs and bigger, K04 is still known as inferior
and i agree w/ him when it comes to holding us back, but there just arent that many 100 percent reliable/straight forward BT setups for us.

ibew5audi
02-26-2007, 02:10 PM
Get up off of the forum chair and just do it. This isn't "Pinks". This is like that Tootsie Roll commercial with the owl. Why ask about something you can do just as easily in 15 seconds on an empty street at night? Your car won't even break 100 in the quarter.

Don Supreme
02-26-2007, 02:19 PM
Unitronic for 01's Im AEB DBC ....

Boost be easy man [up]

Compared to something like a 28rs and bigger, K04 is still known as inferior
and i agree w/ him when it comes to holding us back, but there just arent that many 100 percent reliable/straight forward BT setups for us.

Sweet... You have tons of tuning options then.

94 jedi is running a t3/t4 with CTAPP tuning.

Rosati
02-26-2007, 02:20 PM
Get up off of the forum chair and just do it. This isn't "Pinks". This is like that Tootsie Roll commercial with the owl. Why ask about something you can do just as easily in 15 seconds on an empty street at night? Your car won't even break 100 in the quarter.

Thanks douche.

I cant because if you read the whole thread, youll see that i DO NOT have a full pc16 setup yet [rolleyes]

which is why we are discussing other possible setups

and what will your car do in the quarter?

Don, im aware of Jedi and i watch his logs and posts all the time, but i do not know how much Mr. Tapp wants for his programming....

Id rather go 28rs because i believe it would be more simplified and straight forward, which is why i want to start w/ the pc 16

ibew5audi
02-26-2007, 02:28 PM
Read forum rules on the "douche". All I'm saying is if it's your "good buddy" then go race him as a "good buddy" now. Then determine how bad you got schooled and go from there. I read enough in the first three pages. Minimum of elim. to beat him consist.

b00st
02-26-2007, 02:48 PM
sorry i'm getting tired of this....lots of magazine racing going on.

so i interjected with my personal experience. since i have both a friend with what was once a stock 350z which is now going for 500whp now. APS TT kit on there. at any rate...i have a PC16 k04'd car and i have raced 4 of the now. so i know the outcomes already. 95% of the people here are just going by potential or what they saw at a track or in a magazine. what their friends run. 287HP/274TQ is not that big of a deal. if IIRC when i used to hang on the 350z forum. and chicagoland350z.....they were dynoing around 230-235 to the rear tires. and around 210-215tq. its not that great. so when everyone jumps on and says you'll lose....thats from what...personal experience? and i happen to have a G35 granted its auto but its a lot slower than me. and to make up the difference all i need to do was add the JWT pop charger which gains more on the sedan the coupe. so at this point....HP is the same. so i have personal experience with all the vehicles.

ROSATI...you need the full PC16 components to make it work though....FMIC...good exhaust, and all that stuff i mentioned before.

nothing really directed at any one person....but speculation doesn't help. but since your not quite at the full pc16 setup...i would say you...you will have a hard time.

Don Supreme
02-26-2007, 02:49 PM
so a 1973 NOVA with a chevy 350 made 170Hp whats your point. and i have a G35 already with a 3.5L....big deal.

ummm....any NA car typically has to run to peak rpms to make peak HP. max TQ around 4xxx rpms. its not a race car or viper, or vette, just a car with 287hp, 260 or 274 TQ.....not impressive.

check my dyno....show me when mine spikes up and drops off.....let me save you from that. it doesn't both my curves are flat. TQ spikes at 2200rpms and pretty much holds to 6000 and then starts to barely decrease....my HP maxes around 5600 rpms and does a little taper off after that. its not up and down....and thats when my car ran like crap. sorry don...i disagree with you.

point being...both cars being a pc16 a4 and 350z....run low 14s on average.

Well I searched to try and find a pc16 dyno, but most were dead links (picture wise). My point is your powerband statement is misleading/incorrect. I didn't mention anything about peak power, which if you want to mention peak power the ko4 and pc16 are still WEAK. I bet that chevy 350 has a wide power band, still slow, but wide.

I didn't say the Z was impressive, but neither is PC16.

In reality its a drivers race, but it will be harder for the pc16 driver.....[drive]

P.S. I used to own a supercharged maxima, which was faster than my 71r setup, so I know a little about the VQ series motors.

Rosati
02-26-2007, 03:19 PM
Read forum rules on the "douche". All I'm saying is if it's your "good buddy" then go race him as a "good buddy" now. Then determine how bad you got schooled and go from there. I read enough in the first three pages. Minimum of elim. to beat him consist.

I take it back. sorry. Trust. I would have raced him already my man. Im not a talker.

it would do me no good, since i am K04 running stock software.

My software should get to me next week and soon after that i will be adding pc16 , fmic, and injectors.

Don once you go BT you dont go back, so i can see why your against the pc16, but , i just learned that i will be having money coming to me very soon from a court case. I want to put most of it away and invest. at the same time, go 28rs soon, but i dont think it will kill me to go Pc16 to start out with. Can anyone say how much GT28Rs costs realistically plus Ctapp?

So if the race is harder for me, then im sure as hell up to the challenge (w/ stock exhaust too)

I dont like magazine racers as you said, i really was asking based on facts, what would happen and WHAT DID happen? when pc16 guys raced z's.....

Thats all thank you all for your input i think i have as much info as i need.

Greatly appreciated

Don Supreme
02-26-2007, 03:25 PM
I didn't even realize you already had a ko4.............. Get the pc16 software then.

and then just buy a good FMIC, and exhaust to support your BT power goals.

b00st
02-26-2007, 03:30 PM
Well I searched to try and find a pc16 dyno, but most were dead links (picture wise). My point is your powerband statement is misleading/incorrect. I didn't mention anything about peak power, which if you want to mention peak power the ko4 and pc16 are still WEAK. I bet that chevy 350 has a wide power band, still slow, but wide.

I didn't say the Z was impressive, but neither is PC16.

In reality its a drivers race, but it will be harder for the pc16 driver.....[drive]

P.S. I used to own a supercharged maxima, which was faster than my 71r setup, so I know a little about the VQ series motors.

2200 to 6000 is a decent power band, not sure how its misleading or incorrect...and i can go past 6k but then when i shift...it puts you above your powerband on that next shift. by shifting at 6k i'm keeping my car in the powerband more. i see more k03s that are up and down like ^ and vanilla k04 or J31 is a hard spike.

its all weak don. i can say 500whp is weak to...thats all relative. perhaps we should be looking at trap speeds and ETs. all of which are close to each other.
a 350z on AVERAGE runs low to mid 14s. and PC16 k04 runs low to mid 14s. better people run better times. is that fair?

when renn-art gave you back your A4...i know it was lacking exhaust, fmic, IIRC. i was supposed to go to your dyno day with EMIL. but i think they ran out of time. i cant recall how much you added after that or what. but the 71r is capable of a 12.9 and better i think, i forgot who ran that at the moment. i don't remember if yours had all the kinks worked out. but EMILs is damn fast...if the poor boy could only drive. [:p] so your S/C maxima was faster. most of the S/C 350z i've seen only hit low 13s. i also have vids of an S/C 350z losing to a mildly modded NA 350z. i don't know your track times of your 71r or dyno numbers....whats the stats on your maxima and what year? maybe this can be taken to PM since it has nothing to do with it.

b00st
02-26-2007, 03:43 PM
Rosati,

PC16.....and FMIC is a most...the program was really designed around that fact plus exhaust. get milltek or something 3" of your going BT.

do not upgrade the file until you
a) have an FMIC
b) exhaust
c)injectors
d)adj. FPR

would be nice if fuel filter was new
plugs new
O2 sensors
MAF
to ensure max potential.

look realistically at spending 4k for the BT kit. which includes a software, clutch, turbo, hardware. exhaust and FMIC should already be acquired. otherwise add 1000 for exhaust. 1000 for FMIC. renn-art has a RaceTec FMIC for 900...milltek is 989 for resonated.

b00st
02-26-2007, 03:51 PM
oh and now that i know your not PC16 already...you won't win.

the pc16 file with supporting mods will get you to beat or hold even with a 350z and some simple modded ones.

replacing all that stuff i mentioned will ensure that max potential.
sure AWE says 260/300...it was for a FWD car. and thats at the crank. sure the numbers are different for quattro...but the goal is still the same. if you really want to one up me...run a TP.

Aliel
02-26-2007, 04:23 PM
I would run him bro but my car is in the bodyshop and it is not coming out till 2-3 weeks later so your car would probably be finished before my car is out.

I'm getting a custom 3" exhaust made after my car is out so if you want my Borla shoot me a PM. I'll hook you up [:D]



Nice bro, sounds great and dont worry abou her she follows me wherever lol my guys are always like why do u bring her everywhere, its great bc she never complains haha

I drove his car, its fast ,but yes after being in Al's car, the "turbo torque" definately felt a little stronger, but remember these cars have very wide power bands

i just think he'll choke on the launch becuase hell prob. rev too high and spin the tires knowing that im gonna launch high w/ quattro


So we shall see ................ Al do you wanna run him? Just so we dont have to wait for results? the main differences between him and I would be an exhaust an if hes running his rims, i would be on stock 16's w./ nice tread. But it did just snow today so we would have to wait regardless

Yo grunt, wtf did you do to that ML!? is it SC'd?

94jedi
02-26-2007, 04:29 PM
Don, who's MTM k04 B6 was that??? Jared's? And did you race him with your 71r Elim?

I feel this is turning into a k04 vs BT war. Here's my take on this even though we're getting off-topic here.

A car is only as good as its driver. to settle the debate quickly, Have Aliel race him. It should be a drivers race. either one can take it.

K04 Vs BT:

Our cars should've come k04 w/ basic k04 s/w stock. They should've come from the factory like that. There's no appreciable increase in lag when going to a k04 from a k03 and the car still drives totally "stock like". "Chipping" should've come in two stages....one basic more aggressive file, and then a max out file such as pc-16 or j31 calling for injectors, exhaust, and a fmic. The next basic BT upgrade should've been the APR stg3 or at least a GT28R based kit. A GT28R powered car still feels close to stock in the "power-on-demand" category. Hell, I could argue the A4 should've come stock w/ a gt28r lol. Anything bigger than GT28R is just gravy. Audisnapr's Full GT28RS/Unitronic equipped car is monster. Seriously, that level of power is more than enough for most people on this forum. There are a few that still crave more power though...that's where things get interesting.

I consider myself a reasonable person so I'm not going to tell anyone what to do and what not to do. What I can do is give advice based on my own personal experience. Rosati, I was in your shoes at one point. I just wanted as fast a car as I could afford at that moment. I went so far as to buy a k04 used but other circumstances (thank God because it worked out for the better) made me ditch the k04 in favor of the T3T4 I currently have. I would've been happy with the k04 for about a week judging by the fact that I got bored of the GIAC k03 setup in about 2 days. My T3T4 still puts a smile on my face when I mash the pedal. that said, I still want more power. If you find yourself relating to my experience even the tiniest bit, I suggest you wait and save up for at least a GT28R based kit. Heck even one of the elims would be great since you can get very good tuning for your DBC car. The pc-16 is great if you're disciplined enough to stay there. think about it, you're changing injectors, FPR, adding a FMIC, that's pretty darn close to a BT if you ask me. You would even be better off getting a GTRS and running a ATP Test pipe, stock SMIC and Uni or CTapp tuning. You'll murder stock 350's and G35's w/ that setup.

I tend to agree w/ Don that the k04 has pretty much become obsolete for the serious enthusiast. That has only happened in the last year or so. some people like b00st purchased their k04's waaaaay before there were even rumors of the ATP Elims. As it stands now, the k04 IMHO is just a "factory replacement upgrade" mod. If your k03 dies and you need to throw a turbo in there, just toss in a k04 w/ the proper support and you have a nice little extra pep. That should be aimed at the enthusiasts who only plan on a few years of ownership. If you don't plan to have your car for too long then go for the k04. If you plan on keeping your car for a while (as i do) then sacrifice a bit now and save some money for a better turbo solution.

Rosati
02-26-2007, 05:10 PM
lol jedi you know my deal man, they dont. Im sorry i had all my mods in my Siggy pic and theyr gone, i have to relist them.

i would love to tinker w/ tuning and a T3/T4 but i cant right now.

The only reason i have the k04 is bc i bought the car w/ a Fvckd turbo. cant afford clutch right now

Found a K04. Bought it. put it in. Had major engine drama, car was down 2 months.

Car is in great running shape now. Rebuilt head. I have a GIAC K04 Ecu lined up right now and i should have it next week (from A4cefed)

When the software goes in. Like i said before, i will be piecing the kit together, within a month, give or take.

It is ALMOST like going Bt, but like don said, 315cc injectors are not monsters of any kind. But i will have the kit together. Ebay intercooler, PSI Test pipe from the group buy, 315cc inj's from USRT.com and finally the chip upgrade from AWE.

It should hold me over for a while. My main goal as mentioned before is not to beat his 350z. It is to perform on the circuit. I want to be at the track every chance i get. Autox has been on my mind for a while.

I would just go 28rs , no settling for the GTRS

Don Supreme
02-26-2007, 05:14 PM
^ Hey man don't call out any names.... not my intention.

I want a ride in that t3/t4........

Good job laying it out Pat. I am not trying to force people to do anything, but trying to teach them so they don't make the same mistakes I did.

Going Pc16 is like going BT (just like Ian said and I have been trying to say).

They both need
1. New injectors
2. FMIC
3. Turbo
4. Exhaust
5. Clutch (to use all the power)
6. Tune

If not going elim then you will need a few other items
1. Manifold
2. Downpipe
3. coolant + oil lines
4. Intake setup

If you stay with a "SMALL" BT (lol) such as GT28RS then you will have less custom fabrication type headaches (like I am going through).

94jedi
02-26-2007, 05:38 PM
lol jedi you know my deal man, they dont. Im sorry i had all my mods in my Siggy pic and theyr gone, i have to relist them.

i would love to tinker w/ tuning and a T3/T4 but i cant right now.

The only reason i have the k04 is bc i bought the car w/ a Fvckd turbo. cant afford clutch right now

Found a K04. Bought it. put it in. Had major engine drama, car was down 2 months.

Car is in great running shape now. Rebuilt head. I have a GIAC K04 Ecu lined up right now and i should have it next week (from A4cefed)

When the software goes in. Like i said before, i will be piecing the kit together, within a month, give or take.

It is ALMOST like going Bt, but like don said, 315cc injectors are not monsters of any kind. But i will have the kit together. Ebay intercooler, PSI Test pipe from the group buy, 315cc inj's from USRT.com and finally the chip upgrade from AWE.

It should hold me over for a while. My main goal as mentioned before is not to beat his 350z. It is to perform on the circuit. I want to be at the track every chance i get. Autox has been on my mind for a while.

I would just go 28rs , no settling for the GTRS


Sounds like you have a short term goal and a long term goal, GT28RS being the long term. Rosati, If I were you I would do mods that are a foundation for your eventual 28RS setup. Get that GIAC k04 ECU (The standard K05 file I presume?) and be done with the motor/turbo. Then get your FMIC, clutch, vag com and a WB 02 sensor. Have all those things installed while still on your k04. Then you can start amassing your 28RS setup on the side; injectors, Mani, Intkae piping, MAF, ECU, Line's, Turbo, WG etc...Then one day you swap it all out, and sell your complete "standard" k04 package to someone.

Done deal lol.

94jedi
02-26-2007, 05:42 PM
^ Hey man don't call out any names.... not my intention.

I want a ride in that t3/t4........

Good job laying it out Pat. I am not trying to force people to do anything, but trying to teach them so they don't make the same mistakes I did.

Going Pc16 is like going BT (just like Ian said and I have been trying to say).

They both need
1. New injectors
2. FMIC
3. Turbo
4. Exhaust
5. Clutch (to use all the power)
6. Tune

If not going elim then you will need a few other items
1. Manifold
2. Downpipe
3. coolant + oil lines
4. Intake setup

If you stay with a "SMALL" BT (lol) such as GT28RS then you will have less custom fabrication type headaches (like I am going through).

Believe me Don, I know exactly where you're coming from. I fought Tony(bitterchild) tooth and nail for the longest time. I wanted k04, he wanted me to try the t3t4. At the time, there were only a few others that had done it. I'm so greatful I caved and went t3t4. The reality is there's only a few people that crave even more power than a 28RS setup. Most will be happy there, others like Mike, k0mpressed, bitterchild, yourself and me will need even more.

seank
02-26-2007, 06:22 PM
I'm very happy i went for a ride in a pc-16 car before i actually bought a k04. it def opened my eyes to what you guys already posted about amassing all the stuff to basically go BT, so that is what i'm doing now. spending a bit more cash now will def make me much more happy in the end. and since this is my daily i'm going to eventually purchase the GTRS elim and hopefully run a conservative CTAPP tune that will keep me happy on my way to work.

Rosati
02-26-2007, 06:25 PM
yeah but i can always sell my setup, There will always be a demand for K04 i think. Shit, were only talking a few months from now

The turbo itself has only 4k that i put on it and they were all at stock 5-8 psi levels,
so i can get almost 900 for my future setup which will go straight to The gt28rs and hopefully by then ill be prepared and have a new clutch in.

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 04:52 AM
Unless you already have a buyer, you have to take into account the losses you will take on selling used parts.

Rosati
02-27-2007, 08:06 AM
Its almost even when buying used Don...

Plus everyone knows ive put hardly any mileage on the turbo with the car being down for two months and when it has been running , its only been at 5-6 Psi

I have a beater and when the weather isnt nice i just slap the dealer plate on the other car (honda accord) But i think the difference in buying used and then selling isnt that far from each other., or at least compared to when buying new

So if my future buyer is reading this, then you know its been taken care of [up] [;)]

b00st
02-27-2007, 09:23 AM
I tend to agree w/ Don that the k04 has pretty much become obsolete for the serious enthusiast. That has only happened in the last year or so. some people like b00st purchased their k04's waaaaay before there were even rumors of the ATP Elims. As it stands now, the k04 IMHO is just a "factory replacement upgrade" mod. If your k03 dies and you need to throw a turbo in there, just toss in a k04 w/ the proper support and you have a nice little extra pep. That should be aimed at the enthusiasts who only plan on a few years of ownership. If you don't plan to have your car for too long then go for the k04. If you plan on keeping your car for a while (as i do) then sacrifice a bit now and save some money for a better turbo solution.

yeah i'd much prefer a BT over my k04 with out a doubt.

when i started this....my turbo blew. I had called Jordan who worked at EVOMS at the time and I had asked for a PES T28 kit...he told me they were on 5-6 week backorder. doesn't help me when i needed it now. then i ask for the E05...and he told me you don't want that. I said...I NEED A TURBO NOW. k04s during that time were sold out across the country....huge shortage. he found one through his contacts. got it sent from canada. so thats what i was stuck with if you will. my choice was really nothing at the time. APR S3 or nothing. i said the turbo is toast and i'm not putting another k03 on. after a month or 2 of driving on the k04...i wanted more....and i got wind of some secret PC16 file. Jordan got the file from AWE who got it to my local GIAC dealer as they were unaware of it either. so i've been tweaking on that for 3yrs now. i'm not a k04 advocate....i just have a lot of experience with it, driving it, learning what works and what doesn't. and i learned based on faster cars. like running my brother in laws is300 turbo like a million times. at all rpms, gears, speeds....i learned what works and what doesn't. he dyno's 300/300. and i can take him, the less wheels spin he does off the line...the more competitive he makes it, since i do not have a clutch. i run on a knife's edge when i do it from the dig. but if i can take him or my buddies 02 STANG GT. then i can do a 350z as well. and i have. i post up my experience...you can take it or leave it. sure a BT would make it a ton easier to beat these people...its much more of a challenge and i go in expecting to lose. if i win i'm [:D] , if not...no biggie cuz i did't think i could. but i'm done with this. think its been covered now.

oh but only do things once....its much cheaper in the long run...if the goal is BT and k04 is something to hold you over...then just wait and get a BT....cuz there is still time/labor involved. i don't know about you guys...but i'm tired of dicking around with the cars. i enjoy the stuff i got out of it...but now its time to pay people to do that for me. i no longer need to cut costs and do it myself. 4yrs of turbos in and turbos out and DPs and hoses and other shit....its old now. to me. time is money....and that applies to anyone.

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 10:52 AM
^ I hear you man.... drop the car off @ renn-art and go pick up a monster in a few days.

94jedi
02-27-2007, 11:07 AM
i don't know about you guys...but i'm tired of dicking around with the cars. i enjoy the stuff i got out of it...but now its time to pay people to do that for me. i no longer need to cut costs and do it myself. 4yrs of turbos in and turbos out and DPs and hoses and other shit....its old now. to me. time is money....and that applies to anyone.

b00st I soooooo hear you on that bro!!! That's why it takes me so long to do shit. Unfortunately, I'm a poor working-class bastid so I'll have to deal with scraped up knuckles and test pipe burns on my forearms at least until I hit the lottery lol.

Eurotuned_A4
02-27-2007, 12:03 PM
Pat, don't forget me on the list of guys who want more power. I'm satisfied for now, but I should have gone more custom and bigger to begin with. My problem is that I get bored. After I do a few things(new rims, my BBK, CF hood, and sparco seats) ill upgrade to a gt30 series turbo.but that will take some time. I spend way to much on my car!

b00st
02-27-2007, 12:14 PM
Pat, don't forget me on the list of guys who want more power. I'm satisfied for now, but I should have gone more custom and bigger to begin with. My problem is that I get bored. After I do a few things(new rims, my BBK, CF hood, and sparco seats) ill upgrade to a gt30 series turbo.but that will take some time. I spend way to much on my car!

GT30 isn't that big from what i remember, might even be very similar to your current setup. i know street geek tuning used that setup....i thought he said it really wasn't that big.

and robert why haven't you gone to the dyno yet? lets see a baseline....i bet you can get some more refinement outta the uni tuning. but won't know without logs/dyno sheet/lets see that a/f, timing and all. you've had that setup far to long and no dyno and no time slip. lets get those and see where your at!!!!!!!!!!!!!

94jedi
02-27-2007, 12:38 PM
Pat, don't forget me on the list of guys who want more power. I'm satisfied for now, but I should have gone more custom and bigger to begin with. My problem is that I get bored. After I do a few things(new rims, my BBK, CF hood, and sparco seats) ill upgrade to a gt30 series turbo.but that will take some time. I spend way to much on my car!

haha....it's an ever growing list. I hear ya on the getting bored thing. I get bored too.

94jedi
02-27-2007, 12:40 PM
and robert why haven't you gone to the dyno yet? lets see a baseline....i bet you can get some more refinement outta the uni tuning. but won't know without logs/dyno sheet/lets see that a/f, timing and all. you've had that setup far to long and no dyno and no time slip. lets get those and see where your at!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good point b00st. I'm giong to get to a dyno soon and to the track this season and really wring out the most from this setup before switching to a larger turbo/rodded motor. I really think I'm leaving alot on the table as well. As soon as this damn winter is over, I'll get my ass in gear. [wrench]

Eurotuned_A4
02-27-2007, 12:44 PM
Haha, I know I know. Not many places here for a dyno. Once its nicer out I plan on hitting the dyno and track though.

I haven't taken logs yet. That vag com confuses me, but ill figure it out. Ill yet to get them this weekand, but some family stuff is going on so I'm not sure if ill have time. I'm aleaft missing this entire week of school.

When I get a bigger turbo, it will be the full size not like an elim. Plus a tubular mani and a 3" exhaust and all the works. That's what I mean. I plan on running something like kompresed which u thought was a gt30 series turbo...just a big one

Man this takes long to type on a cell phone!

Rosati
02-27-2007, 12:56 PM
Im sorry guys ill never get tired of modding. You can hold me to that.

Turbos , etc are the fun part. I can get sick of Fixing things/making repairs, but not turbos, exhaust, fmic's and things like that..... its what ive always wanted since i was young

And Boost i have to stay in contact with you because it seems I am on your path.
,K04 PC 16 w/ the intention of going GT28Rs for the summer.

Eurotuned, your running 28rs right?

Eurotuned_A4
02-27-2007, 01:25 PM
2871r elim with ATP mani and testpipe with unitronic.

b00st
02-27-2007, 01:49 PM
oh don't get me wrong....i'll never stop modding ever.
i'll love turbo schwing...can't get enough of it. lets just say i jumped from the 28% tax bracket to the 35% tax bracket now. i make in 2 months what i could make in a year. but this just happened so i have to grow into my checks...and i have a business loan to pay back. so i won't see 100% of my paycheck for a while...but when i do....ouch. that portion alone i can buy cars with.

if it were my way and i had a say and my wife didn't....
AA S2 E46 M3
350z APS TT
my audi A4
my Audi S4 V8(stock programming, but milltek, co's, rims, RNS-E) <---i am currently in pursuit of this now. so i'm just missing the E46 M3 and 350z....which eventually will happen, only thing that held me back is that i live in chicago and winter sucks. but my current focus is now house modding. time for some granite countertops throughout, this includes bathrooms. and hardwood...noting against laminate flooring. i prefer hardwood...but i digress.

ROSATI....yeah...i'm on the upgade war path i need/want quick spool, but i'ev talked to alot and alot of people have a lot of different ideas of how i should get there. i don't care as long as it quick off the line.....but i have my eye on some ATVs too. they are 5k ea. my dad got some...i love them. so i'm scattered everywhere with my money...but the real deal is i need to continue to invest into my business.

Eurotuned_A4
02-27-2007, 02:02 PM
Boost, get an atv. I just got a suzuki z400 last summer and its fun.

b00st
02-27-2007, 02:16 PM
bombardier 400 rated tops....
i personally like the 800....it was supercharged ;)

so i'ma get a bombardier 400....maybe 1 800 for myself. but then everyone will want to ride mine. so if i just get 2 400s...then its all even. my dads got 2 and i got 2. we have these super long trails in at our other house in WI....we can spend hours up there. it hits 55mph...and 60 on downhills....plenty fast for an ATV. i can only go about 30ish on the trails anyway. not unless i want to become part of the trees. [;)]

there are dedicated snowmobile trails, autox trails, and ATV. some intersect. but they are monitored. my cousin has the snowmobiles. 900 bored out to 1249 (1300) and a 600.

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 02:18 PM
GT30 isn't that big from what i remember, might even be very similar to your current setup. i know street geek tuning used that setup....i thought he said it really wasn't that big.

and robert why haven't you gone to the dyno yet? lets see a baseline....i bet you can get some more refinement outta the uni tuning. but won't know without logs/dyno sheet/lets see that a/f, timing and all. you've had that setup far to long and no dyno and no time slip. lets get those and see where your at!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HUh? A GT30R is much bigger than a 2871r elim; both in size and power output.

The power difference is 100 HP at least!

94jedi
02-27-2007, 02:23 PM
b00st, what do you do for a living and let me know if you need somone to work remotely from the east coast!!!!!

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 02:28 PM
i don't care as long as it quick off the line......

Mr. Boosted you seem like a man of means. You love cars and have driven in many fast cars, but I have to ask. How you actually DRIVEN a BT 4 banger?

Lag is overated!!!!!! We have quattro for gods sake. We are quick of the line because we can DROP THE CLUTCH!!!!

Chris Tapp cut a 1.5 60 ft on a GT35r with no launch control...

The thing that takes the cake in my mind about you is that you RACE. Your A4 is slowly being reserved for street brawls... When you shift @ 7500 RPM you are going to land in your powerband after each shift (if you have a big turbo).

If you had FWD or RWD then you would have problem launching BT because of all the tire spin.

To end this rant, I have included a video of an EVO running a GT37R / PT67 Dual BB turbo.

More power than a gt35r and MORE LAG!!!!! Regardless, look at the accelaration on the street.

Additionally, the guy ROLLS out of the hole, he does not launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTlyL89RoGg

b00st
02-27-2007, 02:28 PM
i'm thinking of a different turbo...something from street geek back in the day.

i know this K26/GT30R Dual BB Turbo is a 500 whp turbo or 600chp. but as i recall for 2.0s to 2.3s. EVOs run this turbo. the one for the 1.8L wasn't as powerful....i don't remember if it was here or on AW that the owner of street geek...i think the name changed.....and it was not even close to 500 anything.

and this one is K26/GT3071 Dual BB Turbocharger 500chp. which is a simply a GT30R with smaller wheels. i'm thinking of some kit that street geek had...PT30 maybe i dunno...at any rate....yes i understand what you are saying...i could be off on the name of the kit. i thought it was some SGT GT30 kit. wasn't a 500chp.

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 02:29 PM
b00st, what do you do for a living and let me know i you need somone to work remotely from the east coast!!!!!


I think he has an insurance business.

94jedi
02-27-2007, 02:35 PM
Mr. Boosted you seem like a man of means. You love cars and have driven in many fast cars, but I have to ask. How you actually DRIVEN a BT 4 banger?

Lag is overated!!!!!! We have quattro for gods sake. We are quick of the line because we can DROP THE CLUTCH!!!!

Chris Tapp cut a 1.5 60 ft on a GT35r with no launch control...

The thing that takes the cake in my mind about you is that you RACE. Your A4 is slowly being reserved for street brawls... When you shift @ 7500 RPM you are going to land in your powerband after each shift (if you have a big turbo).

If you had FWD or RWD then you would have problem launching BT because of all the tire spin.

To end this rant, I have included a video of an EVO running a GT37R / PT67 Dual BB turbo.

More power than a gt35r and MORE LAG!!!!! Regardless, look at the accelaration on the street.

Additionally, the guy ROLLS out of the hole, he does not launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTlyL89RoGg

Don, I agree about lag. it's all about knowing how to drive your setup. Keep in mind he's coming from a torquey quick spooling k04.

That Evo is out of control!!!!!

b00st
02-27-2007, 02:47 PM
Mr. Boosted you seem like a man of means. You love cars and have driven in many fast cars, but I have to ask. How you actually DRIVEN a BT 4 banger?

Lag is overated!!!!!! We have quattro for gods sake. We are quick of the line because we can DROP THE CLUTCH!!!!

Chris Tapp cut a 1.5 60 ft on a GT35r with no launch control...

The thing that takes the cake in my mind about you is that you RACE. Your A4 is slowly being reserved for street brawls... When you shift @ 7500 RPM you are going to land in your powerband after each shift (if you have a big turbo).

If you had FWD or RWD then you would have problem launching BT because of all the tire spin.

To end this rant, I have included a video of an EVO running a GT37R / PT67 Dual BB turbo.

More power than a gt35r and MORE LAG!!!!! Regardless, look at the accelaration on the street.

Additionally, the guy ROLLS out of the hole, he does not launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTlyL89RoGg

here is my point...i don't like people to get ahead of me...i don't want to wait for my powerband. from the hole i want to be ahead. and from a roll...i want to be ahead...sure i have this video of a twin turbo cobra running one of AMS's EVOs. GT42R....i think jedi posted it up here on the board. i'll look for it in a bit. at any rate...the EVO can take the cobra...he comes back...but he lags behind...has to build up in 2 gears....then he rockets forward....thats not my style. sure some of the lexus guys i hand with put down 650whp....but they are only highway beasts...the fool i raced who drops 420whp....gots nothing down low from the dig. he needs to go from 55+ or even 70 for him to "be fast". he has a GT35R on his 3.0L IS300.

strictly street. i don't really care about 1/4 mile. i care only about the street light.
not even highway.

b00st
02-27-2007, 02:49 PM
I think he has an insurance business.

correct. i just purchased my own. agent was 40yrs in the biz. i was the office mgr at my dads office....waiting my turn to purchase an agency. well i just landed the deal of a life time.

b00st
02-27-2007, 02:54 PM
b00st, what do you do for a living and let me know if you need somone to work remotely from the east coast!!!!!


no but i honestly need to hire some staff. licensed only though. they need p&c and life and health licenses. hopefully one day i find the right guy and becomes my "protege"...where either i pay him a 1/3 of my salary or sell to him....if my kids don't want to do what i do.

this was never my intention....i went to school and graduated with a Major in Graphic Design and Minor in WEB DESIGN. my whole family is in the insurance biz. i can make more doing this. and if i do good....my bonus....hahahaha....lets say i know guys who have made 250k for a bonus....this doesn't count our regular monthly checks. if i get 60 or 80....i'll be happy...i'm not greedy...and i'll spread the wealth to my staff. this not a glorious job...or even fun. but i can pay well. but enough of this.

b00st
02-27-2007, 03:06 PM
for me and my goals...i don't need to be the fastest....there is always someone faster. the AMS EVO over here runs 8's. half the kids now have GT35R's or GT42R and honestly the kit is less than an APR S3 with the exception of the GT42R. but the GT35R is and runs 10s.

http://www.amsperformance.com/store/index.php?cPath=22_56

what I personally like is quick outta the hole stuff. some of these come close...some don't.

here is a nice video...hard to say who won...but the EVO can take it any day....its just toying with the cobra. but its 650rwhp vs 850awhp.
http://media.putfile.com/TT-Cobra-vs-EVO

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 03:13 PM
^ Good luck on your business. It seems like you are doing very well, keep up the good work and take some spare change and make the A4 into a beast.

Regarding the IS300s, don't you think they are slow because they are RWD.... 400+ RWHP in a front engine/tranny car is going to roast tires in 1st and 2nd and maybe even part of 3rd.

Thats why they aren't quick down low and not because of turbo lag/boost threshold. You Mr. Boosted simply don't have that problem.

I bet that EVO vs Cobra race was from a roll and not a dig. On the street AWD rules. Its time you take full advantage of it.

b00st
02-27-2007, 03:28 PM
^ Good luck on your business.

thanks, i really appreciate it.



keep up the good work and take some spare change and make the A4 into a beast.


without a doubt...i'm never selling her....its only going to get nuttier.



Regarding the IS300s, don't you think they are slow because they are RWD.... 400+ RWHP in a front engine/tranny car is going to roast tires in 1st and 2nd and maybe even part of 3rd.


actually the guy i raced had 255s with some real nice rubber...he doesn't spin. honestly i think his tuning sucks...but the other half is the IS300s suck in 0-60. they are horrible down low....thats the plain truth....they excel on the highway.
so my setup was better at the light than his...if he took me on the highway...i would be a dot in his rearview.




I bet that EVO vs Cobra race was from a roll and not a dig. On the street AWD rules. Its time you take full advantage of it.

soon enough i shall. and good luck with your GT35R project, i look forward to the results!

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 03:35 PM
Thanks man....

Unlike you, I have to take the project slow due to financial reasons and because I think in some aspects its smarter to go one step at a time.

My project is planned and written down on paper. It is essentially a 3 phase project.

I am hoping to complete phase 1 within the next two weeks (God willing). Phase 1 I don't expect the car to be very fast. It will have the limited power band of the 35r and not enough boost to make it worth it (Stock engine). I don't plan to run anything higher than 15 psi.

I think I can take my chances at 300-330 AWHP.

Phase 2: Rods + headwork (cams,springs, blah blah blah blah)

I hope to crack 400 AWHP at the end of that phase

Phase 3: Really concentrate on tuning and maximizing the setup
Custom tune or stand alone
WAI
blah
blah
blah.

2007 should be and exciting year.

type911
02-27-2007, 03:44 PM
They did a race from a dig but the Evo just couldn't get traction. Ill take the streetable 650rwhp over the non streetable 850awhp anyday. Thats why anything can happen on the street. My cobra although rear wheel drive with just over 500 at the rear hooks very hard with almost No spin whatsover on BFG DR's. Very light bog but right back in the power band. I agree with Boost. I went the GTRS root so I might have some lag but hardly worth mentioning. I hate roll races and love to go from a stop. The Audi should prove to be quite fun.

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 03:58 PM
^ I already had an eliminator in my A4 so I know first hand what its capable of. My issue is when I pull up against a 500 RWHP Cobra I don't want to already know in my head that I don't stand a chance!!!!!

type911
02-27-2007, 04:29 PM
^I wasn't implying you didn't...I was simply stating my preference. Anywho.. Your build sounds like it would be hella fun as well.

Don Supreme
02-27-2007, 05:16 PM
^Do you drive around on drag radials everday? I am guessing the Cobra is your toy car.

b00st
02-27-2007, 05:43 PM
They did a race from a dig but the Evo just couldn't get traction. Ill take the streetable 650rwhp over the non streetable 850awhp anyday. Thats why anything can happen on the street. My cobra although rear wheel drive with just over 500 at the rear hooks very hard with almost No spin whatsover on BFG DR's. Very light bog but right back in the power band. I agree with Boost. I went the GTRS root so I might have some lag but hardly worth mentioning. I hate roll races and love to go from a stop. The Audi should prove to be quite fun.

agreed its like these 1000hp supras....what good is it...if you can't put it to the ground.


on another note....
a GTRS might be my route or a full GT28RS, built motor, 2.0L, iono yet. my concentration is trying to find an B6 S4 thats manual and in my color choice, with 30k or less on it, and all options, oh and reasonably priced [headbang] i'll see some for 46k on them for 42k....for an 2004....i don't think so. some are around 32k with 30k on the clock...but in imola yellow or whatever the yellow is now for B6s or Laser Red. Right price and features....wrong color. i'm sure more will be come available later in the year...its winter still and nobodys really looking. so i shouldn't be. i don't need the car till right before it snows.

other options i was kicking around was a USP B6 A4...RNS-E....and BT kit for my B5 A4. which is about the same as me spending 32k on a B6 S4. i think the BT kit was around 4k when we were piecing it together. 1600 for the RSN-E for the B6 A4. so i can get all of it done now...get some ATVs next year. iono. i like the USP B6 A4 a 3.0 though....i want something reliable. i already have unreliable in the garage [;)] [:D] i think i only want to spend about 32k for the car which comes out of pocket...their is no cars to trade in. so however you wack it up...B6 S4 and RNS-E. USP B6 A4 + RNS-E + TURBO KIT FOR B5 A4. dunno what to do.

type911
02-27-2007, 05:45 PM
^Yes I do, It was my daily driver for the past 2 years. I go extra carefully in the rain and swap out for all seasons for the winter. I don't even have the Audi on the road yet. I just make sure I stay out of boost. The roads in boston are really well taken care of. Pot holes aside LOL.. The only problem to date was getting out of my drive way after a storm last week. Had to actualy shovel the drive to get up it. But all in all it has been a very good DD. My mother has driven it while visiting and had no problems. She does have a feather weight foot though. I just needed something to cart two kids around in. One is 17 mo and one is due in sept. Carseats just don't fit well in the Cobra. I also need to have something that satisfies my driving habits and hold its own. So the Cobra will keep its DR's and The Audi will keep my kids safe and a smile on my face.

type911
02-27-2007, 05:47 PM
agreed its like these 1000hp supras....what good is it...if you can't put it to the ground.


on another note....
a GTRS might be my route or a full GT28RS, built motor, 2.0L, iono yet. my concentration is trying to find an B6 S4 thats manual and in my color choice, with 30k or less on it, and all options, oh and reasonably priced [headbang] i'll see some for 46k on them for 42k....for an 2004....i don't think so. some are around 32k with 30k on the clock...but in imola yellow or whatever the yellow is now for B6s or Laser Red. Right price and features....wrong color. i'm sure more will be come available later in the year...its winter still and nobodys really looking. so i shouldn't be. i don't need the car till right before it snows.

other options i was kicking around was a USP B6 A4...RNS-E....and BT kit for my B5 A4. which is about the same as me spending 32k on a B6 S4. i think the BT kit was around 4k when we were piecing it together. 1600 for the RSN-E for the B6 A4. so i can get all of it done now...get some ATVs next year. iono. i like the USP B6 A4 a 3.0 though....i want something reliable. i already have unreliable in the garage [;)] [:D] i think i only want to spend about 32k for the car which comes out of pocket...their is no cars to trade in. so however you wack it up...B6 S4 and RNS-E. USP B6 A4 + RNS-E + TURBO KIT FOR B5 A4. dunno what to do.

The B6 S4 sounds like a great car to keep stock and the B5 sounds like a good modder. Thats How I would handle it.

Rosati
02-27-2007, 06:57 PM
Boost, Thats funny. Im taking my New york life and health insurance certification on Friday.

I'll be working for Axa advisors

Ill let ya know if i pass or not


Good luck

b00st
02-27-2007, 10:33 PM
cool. good luck rosati. life insurance is a tough gig or group health.

i've been with allstate for 4yrs now. 2 inside home office. and 2 in sales (selling all insurance). and now its onto my own office. state exam in IL was easy i thought...if you actually study for it. i'm on to my series 6 & 63 licensing now. you only need 70&#37; to pass. focus and you'll gett'er done [;)]

b00st
02-27-2007, 10:37 PM
The B6 S4 sounds like a great car to keep stock and the B5 sounds like a good modder. Thats How I would handle it.

those were my thoughts....i just get tempted cuz i could do a B6 A4 and then get everything and have a decent dd. plus a modded out A4. i'm hoping to get my CF hood in the next few weeks. well whenever chicago lets up on the weather...i'll commit to the purchase. i see no reason now....car never makes it outside....i never get to drive it. the S4 was my original plan...but sometimes i get sidetracked....but i shouldn't settle.

Rosati
02-28-2007, 10:41 AM
yeah man same here for NY, but ill be certified in 2 states NY NJ

i think to pass its 70 percent as well but tons of questions

Series 6 and 7 is up next for me (variable annuities)

b00st
02-28-2007, 10:45 AM
then you'll need the 63 to go with the 6 since that is the state law section. 6 is products for your state. 7 is stocks. which i have no need for.

good luck though. as i recall....about 50&#37; of the people who take the 6&63 fail. so your starting off with a 50% shot right off the bat.

Rosati
02-28-2007, 03:37 PM
Thanks man, im just focusing on my life and health for friday, thats no pushover either....

At $70/test and a 3/4 fail rate, im a little shaken

but let me get back to studying!

b00st
02-28-2007, 03:53 PM
life and health here is 110 a pop to take the test.

i don't think the life&health part is that bad....you'll be fine. know the concepts, stay off AZ,....with the state law part....if your good at memorizing...then your fine.

if you don't need a series 7 then don't do it, unless you want another headache.....plus maintaining your licenses....just a PITA. its all cool till you have to take the state exams. and i think the 6&63 are 120/ea. here. so you don't want to take it more than once.

when i first started with allstate at home office....firs thing they did was get me licensed in P&C....i had 3days to know everything and take the test. tookthe crash course passed. once you've take one state test...you kinda know how to take them....passed my life&health same way. spent a week studying took the test on a saturday and finished in 1hr 10min.

Rosati
02-28-2007, 04:19 PM
Nice boost, thats dedication, good luck w/ the new firm

I ve been studying a week but i must say AZ is the biggest distraction, not even girls or myspace lol [az]

1 hr 10 mins! good shit , its a 2.5 hour test here

thanks for the tips