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HellasA4
02-16-2007, 12:59 AM
okay, so i almost have together my 1.8T t3/t4 setup. All i need is a manifold that is t3 flanged and external WG flanged. I have done some research and it seems to me that most members here are using the APR log style manifold. I have also heard many bad things on here about it and its performance. From experience with other boosted cars, cast iron is not at all favorable in high flow or performance manifold design on big turbo cars. So I would like to rule that out RIGHT AWAY!!! but there only one other manifold i can find... and that is the FULL RACE tubular manifold that WAY too expensive (1200dollars). I will not pay for a manifold that is worth more than my turbo. Plus i know it probably has greater flow and all but stil takes up a lot of space. So, i am left with EBAY as a last resort. I found this manifold here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/jetta-golf-audi-passat-1-8t-t3-turbo-manifold_W0QQitemZ120087363252QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3 3742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This manifold, according to the listing has TIG welds, is made of Stainless steel, ported and polished and warrantied (i doubt they would keep up with that though).

To me this is a decent well designed manifold of good material and contstruction.

Please, if anyone has had experience with this one or knows about it, please post your thoughts and experiences. I want to know if it cracks easy, welds break loose, materials used are falsely stated in listing, etc???/

******Also, if you guys are using anything other than APR or FULL RACE please fill me in (if it is cheaper than full race), and I would be glad to check it out.

Thank in advance for all your help.

k0mpresd
02-16-2007, 04:12 AM
junk

Don Supreme
02-16-2007, 04:38 AM
Besides not providing optimum flow, that ish will BUST open in less than a year.

Don R
02-16-2007, 05:14 AM
... I have done some research and it seems to me that most members here are using the APR log style manifold. I have also heard many bad things on here about it and its performance.

Perhaps you have the APR Inconnel Exhaust manifold confused with ATP's cast iron log manifold??? APR's individual divided cast runner manifold is a very high-end quality peice that would work very well. However, it comes only in a T25 flange configuration.

ATP's is not a bad option but it is a PITA to install, flow is not the greatest, leaves ample room and comes in a T3 Configuration.

Full Race, is a nice option tho expensive it comes with lifetime warranty.

Forget any e-bay exhaust manifold options...listen to the fellow audizine gents.

There maybe another option provided by Pagparts. It is a btm mounted cast-iron individual runner manifold that comes in both a T25 and T3 configuration. Easy to install, affordable and good quality high ductile material.

Here is a thread cross-posted from the vortex about a person who is interested in possibly using one on his A4: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3079533

This is what the T3 Pagparts exhaust manifold looks like.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/zemun2/PagPartsManifold.jpg

bitterchild
02-16-2007, 06:58 AM
I had a guy come in w/ one of those ebay manifolds last month and it cracked as soon as he left. The runners aren't sufficient to support the turbo/downpipe and there isn't a support bracket included.

jrodmk2
02-16-2007, 07:27 AM
that might as well be a cast manifold.
treadstone offers another option which is very close to the stubby tubular you showed in the link.
http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=127&cat_key=52&prodname=VW+1.8T+Cast+Turbo+Manifold

TQMB5
02-16-2007, 07:52 AM
their used to be a guy on ebay that sold a really nice custom exhaust mani. they were like 600 dollars but now i cant find him. My friends with a turbo honda had it and as far as i know it was really good quality. And I am positive someone on here used it. dont know if it was for the t3 flanged setup but im pretty sure he could put whatever flange you needed on it. Hopefully they will chime in.

mike-2ptzero
02-16-2007, 08:42 AM
their used to be a guy on ebay that sold a really nice custom exhaust mani. they were like 600 dollars but now i cant find him. My friends with a turbo honda had it and as far as i know it was really good quality. And I am positive someone on here used it. dont know if it was for the t3 flanged setup but im pretty sure he could put whatever flange you needed on it. Hopefully they will chime in.


There are a few other tube manifolds out there, you can find them by doing a search for the BT setups on the B5 or search for Manifolds here on this site. Issam from Boost Factory has one and just not long ago someone posted one from a guy name Jay.

94jedi
02-16-2007, 08:47 AM
who was the guy from cardomain that was big into hondas but would build you a custom mani? Was that Jay? I know he came very highly recomended.

Don Supreme
02-16-2007, 08:55 AM
Yes thats Jay.... He built the mani on my car.

mike-2ptzero
02-16-2007, 09:09 AM
Dons manifold from Jay

http://www.wisptech.net/images/misc/maniinbox.jpg


Issam's (wizard-of-OD)

http://www.80tq.com/~wiz/gallery2/d/885-2/DSCN1077.JPG

His has the turbo angled like mine from full-race which gives you more room in front of the turbo.



Full-race manifold is welded by a Robot. Here it is with a vband flange for a 44mm tial.
http://www.full-race.com/catalog/images/audi%201.8t%20longitudinal%20prostreet2.jpg

HellasA4
02-16-2007, 09:15 AM
Your right, i wrote this last nite really late haha! I feel stupid now.. yes i meant ATP's. I wont be able to use apr unless i chop off my turbine flange and put a t25 lol! anyway, .. i want to know more about Pagparts. I like the individual runners. Is it an easier install? Also what makes the ATP log style a harder install?




Perhaps you have the APR Inconnel Exhaust manifold confused with ATP's cast iron log manifold??? APR's individual divided cast runner manifold is a very high-end quality peice that would work very well. However, it comes only in a T25 flange configuration.

ATP's is not a bad option but it is a PITA to install, flow is not the greatest, leaves ample room and comes in a T3 Configuration.

Full Race, is a nice option tho expensive it comes with lifetime warranty.

Forget any e-bay exhaust manifold options...listen to the fellow audizine gents.

There maybe another option provided by Pagparts. It is a btm mounted cast-iron individual runner manifold that comes in both a T25 and T3 configuration. Easy to install, affordable and good quality high ductile material.

Here is a thread cross-posted from the vortex about a person who is interested in possibly using one on his A4: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3079533

This is what the T3 Pagparts exhaust manifold looks like.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/zemun2/PagPartsManifold.jpg

HellasA4
02-16-2007, 09:17 AM
I really like ISSAM's... is that one for sale somewhere? I would need a normal 38mm 2-bolt flange for my turbosmart 38mm gate. I like issam's because it also carries the 2-bolt 38mm flange.

HellasA4
02-16-2007, 09:27 AM
I also just looked at the treadstone and i like it alot more than the ATP, although very similar. will i have decent amount of clearance from the engine with a t3/t4? also has anyone used this one? Is the casting of good quality?

http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/~treadstone/prod_imgs/img-127-0-large.jpg

Don R
02-16-2007, 10:31 AM
Jay does great work, however, he now works full-time at www.jrponline.com in the fabrication department.

mike-2ptzero
02-16-2007, 03:20 PM
I really like ISSAM's... is that one for sale somewhere? I would need a normal 38mm 2-bolt flange for my turbosmart 38mm gate. I like issam's because it also carries the 2-bolt 38mm flange.



Just pm him and I am sure he would be willing to sell you his or have one made for you.

Wizard-of-OD
02-16-2007, 05:34 PM
I am going to be running a GB very soon on the manifold.I dont always get time to respond to PM's right away but i know this manifold has sparked alot of interest.

Mine's an Outie
02-16-2007, 05:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in one of these?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/Jonhasthe/DSC_7834.jpg

its sched40 304 stainless, 1.4" ID

I built this for my car and its no where near up to the quality welding of Jay's or Isaam's but I would build some more if there's any interest.


Also, I'd like to hear why you guys went with a certain manifold. In terms of design that is? For instance the APR and Full-Race manifolds are both high quality parts but the differences in them will make a huge difference in spool and maximum power.

solowb5
02-16-2007, 06:31 PM
depends on how much u would charge

HellasA4
02-16-2007, 06:52 PM
I am going to be running a GB very soon on the manifold.I dont always get time to respond to PM's right away but i know this manifold has sparked alot of interest.

whats a GB? anyway.. i would like to see maybe if you can conjure up a price for that one...

ALSO... for "Mine's an Outie" I would be interested, depending on price and if it was externally WG flanged. cuz this one that u posted seems that it doesnt have one. Also, would your welds hold as much pressure as all the rest of them (except for the ebay one that we have established as "crap")???

mike-2ptzero
02-16-2007, 07:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in one of these?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/Jonhasthe/DSC_7834.jpg

its sched40 304 stainless, 1.4" ID

I built this for my car and its no where near up to the quality welding of Jay's or Isaam's but I would build some more if there's any interest.


Also, I'd like to hear why you guys went with a certain manifold. In terms of design that is? For instance the APR and Full-Race manifolds are both high quality parts but the differences in them will make a huge difference in spool and maximum power.

I had Full-race build me a manifold because at the time(2003) no one made a equal length manifold for the A4 1.8t and I wanted one from a shop that knew exactly what they were doing.[:D]

Wizard-of-OD
02-17-2007, 01:06 AM
Also, I'd like to hear why you guys went with a certain manifold. In terms of design that is? For instance the APR and Full-Race manifolds are both high quality parts but the differences in them will make a huge difference in spool and maximum power.
APR makes a manifold?[confused] I think you mean ATP which is a good cast manifold but the problem is that its a PITA to get to.You need to bend spanners and all sorts of crap.Paul runs run with his GT3040
The Pag Parts manifold may not work in an A4 as the turbo will sit on the passenger side engine mount bracket.

Why did I have the manifold built?Because I was not a fan of the full race manifold and I wanted my wastegate to face up as well as wanting the turbo to sit like how all the turbo's sit on 034 cars.

94jedi
02-17-2007, 07:44 AM
Just out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in one of these?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/Jonhasthe/DSC_7834.jpg

its sched40 304 stainless, 1.4" ID

I built this for my car and its no where near up to the quality welding of Jay's or Isaam's but I would build some more if there's any interest.


Also, I'd like to hear why you guys went with a certain manifold. In terms of design that is? For instance the APR and Full-Race manifolds are both high quality parts but the differences in them will make a huge difference in spool and maximum power.

I might be interested in something spretty soon here. Still not sure if I want the hassle of ext wg but obviously for big power it's a must. A low cost high quality mani EL mani would be awesome. IS that too much to ask?!?!?!

mike-2ptzero
02-17-2007, 07:51 AM
APR makes a manifold?[confused] I think you mean ATP which is a good cast manifold but the problem is that its a PITA to get to.You need to bend spanners and all sorts of crap.Paul runs run with his GT3040
The Pag Parts manifold may not work in an A4 as the turbo will sit on the passenger side engine mount bracket.

Why did I have the manifold built?Because I was not a fan of the full race manifold and I wanted my wastegate to face up as well as wanting the turbo to sit like how all the turbo's sit on 034 cars.

APR manifold = manifold used in their stage 3 and 3+ kits.

un1ko
02-17-2007, 08:24 AM
If you're interested I have a used ATP Manifold in good condition that I can sell you. I think ATP's manifold is pretty good. I'll have admit, I’ve had many headaches trying to make a good air intake, just because of the space you have between the turbo and the fan. Now you can buy most of the stuff that you’ll need from them. I'm not sure if you're going to use an external wastegate or not. If you do use an external wastegate you'll have to buy a flange for it, so it won't touch the engine block. Let me know if you're interested and I can also guide you to buy the right things.

Mine's an Outie
02-17-2007, 06:08 PM
APR makes a manifold?[confused] I think you mean ATP which is a good cast manifold but the problem is that its a PITA to get to.You need to bend spanners and all sorts of crap.Paul runs run with his GT3040
The Pag Parts manifold may not work in an A4 as the turbo will sit on the passenger side engine mount bracket.

I was mainly just reffering to the difference in a short runner cast manifold and the longer equal length style. Theres a big difference in how they work.


And for those interested in the mani. Hows 400 for an internal gate and 500 with an external flange sound?

mike-2ptzero
02-18-2007, 11:06 AM
I was mainly just reffering to the difference in a short runner cast manifold and the longer equal length style. Theres a big difference in how they work.


And for those interested in the mani. Hows 400 for an internal gate and 500 with an external flange sound?

and replacement or money back if it ever cracks?

HellasA4
02-18-2007, 11:26 AM
yea i like that too if theres a good warranty on it.

Wizard-of-OD
02-18-2007, 08:10 PM
Theres a big difference in how they work.
Sometimes I wonder if you guys know who is who.

bitterchild
02-18-2007, 09:37 PM
Sometimes I wonder if you guys know who is who.

lol, don't expect any cred around here. maybe b5s4 but nothing like vortex or aw



I might be interested in something spretty soon here. Still not sure if I want the hassle of ext wg but obviously for big power it's a must. A low cost high quality mani EL mani would be awesome. IS that too much to ask?!?!?!

yes, it is.

Wizard-of-OD
02-18-2007, 10:42 PM
lol, don't expect any cred around here. maybe b5s4 but nothing like vortex or aw.
[confused] ...

Mine's an Outie
02-19-2007, 08:36 PM
and replacement or money back if it ever cracks?

If it breaks I'll fix it

Mine's an Outie
02-19-2007, 08:38 PM
Sometimes I wonder if you guys know who is who.

I dont know who is who. Perhaps you should explain

California Jay
02-21-2007, 12:29 AM
Yes, I'm still making mani's. Yes I'm at JRP. There are a small handfull of shops now that have access to ordering my work in the US.



http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_369_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_381_full.jpg

TQMB5
02-21-2007, 06:59 AM
hey whats the wait time for your mani's and whats your price?

Wizard-of-OD
02-21-2007, 07:45 AM
hey whats the wait time for your mani's and whats your price?
Contact one of his distributors.

pac1085
02-21-2007, 08:31 AM
Yes, I'm still making mani's. Yes I'm at JRP. There are a small handfull of shops now that have access to ordering my work in the US.




Heh, could you make a split pulse equal length T3 manifold?

Don R
02-21-2007, 09:20 AM
Right-on Jay

Mine's an Outie
02-21-2007, 03:09 PM
Yes, I'm still making mani's. Yes I'm at JRP. There are a small handfull of shops now that have access to ordering my work in the US.



http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_369_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_381_full.jpg


[hail] good stuff there. On that B5 manifold do you use any bracing? Looks like there could be alot of stress at the flange welds. and would you like to teach me how to weld?[:D]

badassb5
02-21-2007, 03:54 PM
There are a small handfull of shops now that have access to ordering my work in the US.

And what shops might these be?

California Jay
02-21-2007, 07:46 PM
The manifolds of the IMSA style for the b5/b6 chassis or any other "in-fender" design piece can use this to aid in stress releif. It replaces the center cartridge brackets and uses a helm joint to hang the turbo, from usually three joining points on the block. I can also supply that kit if need be.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_343_full.jpg


The shops that can carry/order these items are :
http://www.034efi.com
http://www.usrallyteam.com
http://www.boostfactory.net

theskuh
02-21-2007, 08:42 PM
^^^ awesome work!

Wizard-of-OD
04-05-2007, 10:00 PM
Just letting you guys know the IMSA style manifolds are ready for ordering.Expect a full write up over on the fourtitude forums tomorrow morning...

ki11switch
10-21-2007, 10:12 PM
anyone still making these manifolds?