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bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 05:46 AM
OKOK. Now before I start I do not wanna here the racing storries about how stupid I am and blah blah blah. So about 60 minutes ago I'm on the freeway. about 430 AM racing a motorcycle which yes I was beating, on the freeway at about 155mph (freeway empty as hell for miles and miles) I just shut down. smoking like a train and noisy and shaky as hell. pull over at the closest offramp to hit the gas station to see this.
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/2298IMAGE_00097-med.jpg
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/2298IMAGE_00098-med.jpg
well there is a teaser. this looks expensive no matter what you do. what is your talk on what happened. and it was so much oil I have no clue where it came from. I hope its "just" the turbo that went. Poor GTRS

js0ne
02-11-2007, 06:03 AM
anytime i've see that much oil, I'm afraid you might just find a hole somewhere

94jedi
02-11-2007, 06:15 AM
WOW!!!! I don't even know where to start. if you're lucky it's just the turbo but like the guy above said, there might be a "hole" somewhere. That tune was going to kill your motor sooner or later anyway. now you can build a motor.

Don Supreme
02-11-2007, 06:25 AM
I don't see how the turbo going would cause all that oil IN THE ENGINE BAY. Unless, you blew a hole in the housing, which I doubt.

My bet is you either
A. Blew a whole in the block (where you able to drive home?) ----MIKA?
B. Blew some hose or valve in the engine bay.

turbo kraut
02-11-2007, 06:51 AM
does the oil cap fight tight?

i would clean it up and go from there, but with that much oil gone, you probably froze something up inside, from friction

agree, turbo shouldn't shoot taht much oil out


how does the underside look?

superman_006
02-11-2007, 07:45 AM
Isnt that a hole in your valve cover? Between the oil cap and the back of the valve cover

Lazer Viking
02-11-2007, 07:53 AM
that is alot of oil....

and yes, that does look like a hole in the valve cover

Quattrocket
02-11-2007, 07:56 AM
It looks to be centralized at the back of the motor, maybe it has something to do with oil filter flange. I hope its not blown.
I guess there would be a tonne of pressure at higher RPMs and could cause a huge oil blow like that. Does the car run at all?

fred2ka4
02-11-2007, 07:59 AM
Sounds like someone might be getting a built motor .......... or a new one ......... or a newer B5 with Quattro? I'm sorry for your loss and I know you'll come back from this but just look at this as a positive and a starting point to something better.

If nothing else, at least you have a very good looking teachers pet at home that will now have to stay after class a little longer to keep you happy .......... [:D]

A3my
02-11-2007, 08:02 AM
sorry to hear Booooooooosted [:(]

A4pilot
02-11-2007, 08:20 AM
Wow! Looks like my engine did about a week ago when I blew the engine. I hope that its just the turbo in your case. Sorry man- i feel the loss

mike-2ptzero
02-11-2007, 08:49 AM
that is alot of oil....

and yes, that does look like a hole in the valve cover

Looks like a hole to me.

SeanF
02-11-2007, 08:58 AM
agreed, bOOOOsted, did you not notice that hole in the valve cover? that could have shot oil everywhere it did...

Tiluleshpingen
02-11-2007, 09:32 AM
OMG ZEE shitty F***ing luck man..did it had to do with MIka? anyhow i feel for your loos man..wow thats a big hole in ur valve cover.. i hope is just that maybe you could get a racing one.

superman_006
02-11-2007, 09:47 AM
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p276/superman_006/b9_1.jpg
Here is a pic of a 1.8T head, If I had to quess I would say you camshaft locked up and blew the third cam top cap off (into the valve cover) But the only way to really know if to pull the valve cover off....... Let us know

sean1.8t
02-11-2007, 10:28 AM
sorry to hear bOOOOsted [:(]

get here up and running soon... with unitronics

maxspeed
02-11-2007, 10:32 AM
yikes, think it has anything to do with running like 30 pounds of boost?

best of luck with the repairs

JaVa
02-11-2007, 10:39 AM
bummer..........[=(]

goody6691
02-11-2007, 11:29 AM
that sucks....................but maybe now you will have some downtime to take some new picks of your girl.....................


j/k ...................if the motor is screwed, there is nothing left to do but build it........bigger ,stronger, faster, you can doooooooo it

1.8G
02-11-2007, 11:53 AM
sorry to see that man, how many miles did she have? What you just described is one of my biggest fears...

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 12:10 PM
Well the car does run still just horribly. And yes this is one of the bigger fear when it comes to our cars but you guys are really being cool about it. im going to go take some pics of it right now but in the mean time I do not have anywhere for it to go being that its sunday and my shop has no fucking room due to other POS huge bentlys and jags.

BJC
02-11-2007, 01:08 PM
Mika FTL...

I would look around the crankcase and oil pan to find a fat hole. I'm guessing that smaller hole on top of the valve cover is not the only problem, but I may be wrong.

Militant-Grunt
02-11-2007, 01:08 PM
Well the car does run still just horribly. And yes this is one of the bigger fear when it comes to our cars but you guys are really being cool about it. im going to go take some pics of it right now but in the mean time I do not have anywhere for it to go being that its sunday and my shop has no fucking room due to other POS huge bentlys and jags.

Why are you running the car with no oil [eek]

Ronnie@BSHFTW
02-11-2007, 01:38 PM
Dam man that sucks. Lools like you might have a hole in the block [=(] [headbang]

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 02:26 PM
Why are you running the car with no oil [eek]
I am not driving the car without oil. I ment it did not die when it started running weird thats when I smelled something odd and parked it.
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mike-2ptzero
02-11-2007, 02:38 PM
Well that wasn't a hole in the valve cover which is a good thing. If it was a hole in the block I dont think that much oil would be all over the top of the engine.

Did you check to see if a oil line might have blown off?


BTW why isn't there a vac line connected to that nipple on the turbo outlet adapter?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 02:44 PM
lolol that what i am wondering. could that have something to do with it?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 02:47 PM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/boooostedaudi/100_0973.jpg[/IMG]
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/boooostedaudi/100_0972.jpg
yea what the hell is going on here

mike-2ptzero
02-11-2007, 02:52 PM
Without that hose the wg isn't going to ever open which is most likely why you were seeing such high boost levels.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 02:57 PM
ok well what about these massive amount of oil. you think the turbo just blew out or what

e.van
02-11-2007, 03:44 PM
I could see it being a blown hose or something.. Definitely something at least halfway up the motor. I would almost bet that's what it is...

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 03:55 PM
well would you say thats a good thing? Im kinda hoping i blew the turbo or even the engine. My girlfriend has agreed to make it the certified race car and build the engine with me. shes great

SeanF
02-11-2007, 03:58 PM
no you probably have a hole in the block...

the turbo would shoot oil into the exhaust if it went, not all under the hood...

you have got to have a big chunk missing somewhere...

superman_006
02-11-2007, 05:48 PM
Hmm, that looked like a hole in the 1st shot... Where is that niple at? You might have just blow the oil feed hose for the turbo or the "T" fitting, it should be in the same place as the OEM oil pressure switch

k0mpresd
02-11-2007, 05:54 PM
your pictures dont really show anything

im failing to see why you havent checked your block for holes yet ?

or atleast looked around for anything obvious..a turbo just doesnt come flying apart and spew oil everywhere...something else is wrong

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 07:12 PM
ill be posting pics soon but it looks like the turbo has oil all over even in the intake side. i cannot fine any holes in the block. the turbo did shoot oil into the exhaust somewhat but it has a peace missing from the empellor.

ThirdStrike
02-11-2007, 07:27 PM
http://johnpreston.dyndns.org:2303/gallery/d/12112-1/P2110047.JPG
http://johnpreston.dyndns.org:2303/gallery/d/12103-1/P2110034.JPG
oil in the intake.. http://johnpreston.dyndns.org:2303/gallery/d/12110-1/P2110025.JPG
the brass elbow had nothing on it..
http://johnpreston.dyndns.org:2303/gallery/d/12108-1/P2110032.JPG
we still cant see where the oil came from. the turbo looks like its in fair shape. cant see any holes in the block. and there was still about 2/3 quarts of oil in the pan.[confused]

mike-2ptzero
02-11-2007, 07:37 PM
the brass elbow had nothing on it..


well it had something to do with the really high boost levels he was seeing which in turn will over spin that turbo big time and when that happens the turbo takes a shit in a hurry.

01'A41.8T
02-11-2007, 07:50 PM
well it had something to do with the really high boost levels he was seeing which in turn will over spin that turbo big time and when that happens the turbo takes a shit in a hurry.

here is my theory...yeah it would keep the wastegate from opening, but rather than seeing that 30+psi, that open fitting made for one nasty boost leak. So the wg was not opening and the turbo was actually spooling 30+ psi but you wern't reading that much due to the leak. So basically every time you got on it your were over spinning the crap out of the turbo and it finally shit.

PS: dont take this the wrong way, but why is your meth installed like that?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 08:18 PM
meth is stalled l;ike that because of lack of room from other stuff in my engine bay. here are some more pics
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bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 08:20 PM
i still cannot find out where the oil would be flying from. i have already decided im upgrading the turbo since it is already out amd that perpeller has a small peice missing.

k0mpresd
02-11-2007, 08:27 PM
still doesnt make sense...where all that oil came from..

01'A41.8T
02-11-2007, 08:28 PM
just out of curiosity have you taken the hose off the throttle body? i would be inerested to see how far that oil went.

SeanF
02-11-2007, 08:44 PM
or filled up the engine with more oil to possible see it leaking out?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 09:06 PM
after what happened last night i was scared to start it again at all. . some of the oil went all the way through. this is really fucking me up. what do you guys think about the small pieces of the propeller missing

Poopie
02-11-2007, 09:25 PM
it would have gotten sucked into your engine. a piece that small with your in infinity and beyond type boost would have no problem getting sucked in.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 09:29 PM
what are the odds that that messed up the engine and further more how will the integrity od my turbo be. I mean Im sitting on ATP site now about to order something bigger but not if my turbo is still good

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 09:31 PM
and is anyone noticing anything out of the ordenary here. just making sure my engine is not blown
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/boooostedaudi/100_0993.jpg

Ronnie@BSHFTW
02-11-2007, 10:14 PM
OK last time you were at my place you needed to changed the half moon seal and the cam tensioner gasket. Did you do both?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-11-2007, 10:19 PM
did both just recently. that is when my boost started acting crazy and going really high

Ronnie@BSHFTW
02-11-2007, 10:28 PM
K so no more leaks there but the nipple on the turbo was still open and leaking boost. What psi where you at? If you had the leak the whole time you were def overworking that turbo

Ronnie@BSHFTW
02-11-2007, 10:43 PM
Looks like the oil might have came from this open nipple. 30+ psi with it open?

http://johnpreston.dyndns.org:2303/gallery/d/12108-1/P2110032.JPG

sean1.8t
02-11-2007, 10:47 PM
at this point the only way you might see where the oil is coming from is to put it all back together, fill it full of oil and start it up. a bitch and kinda iffy but might not be any other way if you've checked everything else out

have you found the hose that connects, or did connect to that vacuum fitting?

CaSp3r9
02-11-2007, 11:38 PM
You probably sucked up a squirrel due to your high boost levels. Poor thing never had a chance with you heading straight for it. Did you find any nuts in your intake?

On a more serious note, this is really confusing... I have no clue where THAT much oil could have came from... Let us know when/if you ever figure it out haha.

94jedi
02-12-2007, 07:01 AM
how was your VC gasket when you took everything off the top? did you maybe blow the rtv seals on the VC gasket? Specifically towards the back of the bay near the FW? It seems like that area is the most drenched w/ oil.

goody6691
02-12-2007, 07:47 AM
after what happened last night i was scared to start it again at all. . some of the oil went all the way through. this is really fucking me up. what do you guys think about the small pieces of the propeller missing



when i blew my gt 28rs my intercooler caught all the pieces. take off the hoses and check for metal. my pieces were alot bigger. you may never find that little chunk.

mike-2ptzero
02-12-2007, 08:29 AM
what are the odds that that messed up the engine and further more how will the integrity od my turbo be. I mean Im sitting on ATP site now about to order something bigger but not if my turbo is still good


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/boooostedaudi/100_0986.jpg

Are you talking about the small spot missing on the center of the wheel near the nut? If so that is normal since they do that to balance the wheel.

If the wheel had damage it would be on the fins, if the shaft or bearings went then there would be damage on the ends of the fins and there would be marks on the housing near the wheel.

The oil on the compressor wheel just looks like blow by. Any chance you did a compression test before taking the motor apart?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 08:48 AM
On a more serious note, this is really confusing... I have no clue where THAT much oil could have came from... Let us know when/if you ever figure it out haha.

lol i was hoping you guys can help out in finding out what is wrong with it. ronnie@bshiftw is coming out to help sort this thing out.

thanks Mike for the input about the turbo. I promise this thing will be back with more of a scare then it already gives now. but in the mean time I am counting on everyones help(so happy we have other things to talk about other then girl friends).

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 09:05 AM
Looks like the oil might have came from this open nipple. 30+ psi with it open?

http://johnpreston.dyndns.org:2303/gallery/d/12108-1/P2110032.JPG
does that line just have air running through it only.

superman_006
02-12-2007, 09:13 AM
Here's a pic of a Head gasket from the 1.8t, I think the all small holes are the oil passages and the larger ones are the coolant passages, I would check the small holes close to the edges.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p276/superman_006/957b_1.jpg

ModifiedA4
02-12-2007, 09:30 AM
look at your oil filter.

Ronnie@BSHFTW
02-12-2007, 09:34 AM
The oil on the compressor wheel just looks like blow by. Any chance you did a compression test before taking the motor apart?


Already asked him on AIM last night. Dont think he has access to one


does that line just have air running through it only.

Thats your boost signal. If oil got past the compressor wheel oil will shoot from that and through the compressor outlet

BranCKY3
02-12-2007, 09:37 AM
does that line just have air running through it only.

Yes, unless the seals on your turbo blew and oil went into the compressor side, that would fling oil everywhere. I was thinking that the rubber part on the firewall side of the valve cover (the part that the pancake valve goes to) split a hole, because most of the oil seems like it is right next to that part. Just a thought, and I have no idea what the part is called sorry.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 09:43 AM
Yes, unless the seals on your turbo blew and oil went into the compressor side, that would fling oil everywhere. I was thinking that the rubber part on the firewall side of the valve cover (the part that the pancake valve goes to) split a hole, because most of the oil seems like it is right next to that part. Just a thought, and I have no idea what the part is called sorry.
anyone have a pic of the back. im thinking that a line back there blew out.

mike-2ptzero
02-12-2007, 10:07 AM
Yes, unless the seals on your turbo blew and oil went into the compressor side, that would fling oil everywhere. I was thinking that the rubber part on the firewall side of the valve cover (the part that the pancake valve goes to) split a hole, because most of the oil seems like it is right next to that part. Just a thought, and I have no idea what the part is called sorry.

Well for that much oil to come out of something back there it would have to be pressurized with oil, something like a oil feed line or the oil side of the oil cooler or if the oil pressure senser shot out. If it was the crank case breather there would have to be plenty of blow by(past the piston rings) to cause that much oil to come out since that doesn't happen while running just a catch can to the crank case.

94jedi
02-12-2007, 10:13 AM
based on how bad the f/w there is drenched I was thinking something in that area blew as well. I was thinking vc gasket originally but something in the pcv system could've also blown. That system is mostly plastic and it gets brittle over time.

Don Supreme
02-12-2007, 10:43 AM
Check the L hose......... The L hose goes out a lot on the 2000s. The dealer has an "updated" version of that hose.

mike-2ptzero
02-12-2007, 10:54 AM
based on how bad the f/w there is drenched I was thinking something in that area blew as well. I was thinking vc gasket originally but something in the pcv system could've also blown. That system is mostly plastic and it gets brittle over time.

I had a leak at the PCV tube right at the block because the O-ring was missing, even then it only dripped and nothing like we see in his pics.

konigwheels
02-12-2007, 11:14 AM
anyone have a pic of the back. im thinking that a line back there blew out.

i would think so. an oil feed/return line coming off will spray alot of oil!

and on a lighter note, if you would have blown your motor you wouldnt have had to shut it off, it would have done so for you with alot of noise and metal shavings. ive done it before many times (not in my audi[;)] ). you KNOW when you blow a motor.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 11:25 AM
Check the L hose......... The L hose goes out a lot on the 2000s. The dealer has an "updated" version of that hose.
where is the l hos. isnt that under the intake manifold? pics?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 11:26 AM
i would think so. an oil feed/return line coming off will spray alot of oil!

and on a lighter note, if you would have blown your motor you wouldnt have had to shut it off, it would have done so for you with alot of noise and metal shavings. ive done it before many times (not in my audi[;)] ). you KNOW when you blow a motor.

thasnk good to here. still dont know if its the turbo that blew or a hose that I cannot see what so ever?

ModifiedA4
02-12-2007, 11:45 AM
its not the L hose, thats too much oil for it. check the PCV system and the oil cooler/filter/oil pressure switch

1 ate T
02-12-2007, 11:46 AM
The "L" hose is to the top right of the Intake manifold. Between that and the coolant reservoir.

Audi Team Steeg
02-12-2007, 11:57 AM
Hey Man.

Sorry About your car!!

Id have cried.

Hope its good as new soon and faster than it was.

Oh if it helps? Congrats on whippin the bike!! Much Respect!


Looking forward to have you back on the road

Re5pectThe_Cuz
02-12-2007, 12:07 PM
I know you love to work on your own car (from the looks of it) but why not get it towed to a nearby shop? maybe yuo can put it back together, do a compression test and so forth just to make it a bit easier for you?? Not doubting your skills at all lol (so don't take it that way) but it may make life easier since you will have more tools to figure this out and more than one person looking at it, since things in pictures arent the same as in person

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 02:55 PM
I Have People Comiong Down From Outta State To Help Out

marcini
02-12-2007, 03:43 PM
did you check your oil supply hose, that one is usually under high pressure, plus i've seen one pop, and the car got fried, very unpleasent view, it was a golf 1.8t i believe, so you got lucky with all this oil under the hood spraying all over the place.

Good Luck

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 03:45 PM
did you check your oil supply hose, that one is usually under high pressure, plus i've seen one pop, and the car got fried, very unpleasent view, it was a golf 1.8t i believe, so you got lucky with all this oil under the hood spraying all over the place.

Good Luck
where is that located

k0mpresd
02-12-2007, 04:05 PM
im not trying to be a d*ck

but you run the ish out of your car and dont know how any of the systems work and/or where they are located?

and then you try to do diag on it??

marcini
02-12-2007, 04:14 PM
where is that located

i wont be a dick and I will reply. This is the thin stainless steel hose going to the turbo from behind the block from the oil cooler right where the filter is mounted.

Tiluleshpingen
02-12-2007, 04:25 PM
^^^^ wow.. harsh treatment kompresed

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 04:34 PM
im not trying to be a d*ck

but you run the ish out of your car and dont know how any of the systems work and/or where they are located?

and then you try to do diag on it??

i personally use the actual terms for the parts name not what u guys call them. when someone say the oil line blew of coarse im going to say wher because from what i remeber there is oil feed line, oil return line (turbo), and a few other lines with oil in them. would you like me to pull out the part numbers for you. lol ok fine. 058 145 771C, 058 145 735E, anything else smart to say?

k0mpresd
02-12-2007, 04:37 PM
there is no oil cooler line

the only lines w/ oil are the oil feed line and the oil return line

all other oil passages are self contained in the block/cyl head

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 04:44 PM
yueah i fixed that

mike-2ptzero
02-12-2007, 04:46 PM
there is no oil cooler line

the only lines w/ oil are the oil feed line and the oil return line

all other oil passages are self contained in the block/cyl head



Actually there are "oil cooler lines" but they have coolant flowing thru them.[:p]


BTW if he has a "aftermarket" oil cooler then yes he would have "oil cooler lines" which have oil in them at high pressure. Maybe the person should have asked if he checked his "turbo oil feed line".

k0mpresd
02-12-2007, 04:47 PM
058 145 771C, 058 145 735E, anything else smart to say?
just because you can look up part #'s doesnt prove you know how the system works

and knowing how the system works is most important when it comes to diag

i look @ etka everyday..i could post a part # for anything on the car

yueah i fixed that
[;)]

k0mpresd
02-12-2007, 04:48 PM
Actually there are "oil cooler lines" but they have coolant flowing thru them.[:p]
i wasnt even going to go there [:p]

i was waiting for someone to post that though :p

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 05:06 PM
just because you can look up part #'s doesnt prove you know how the system works

and knowing how the system works is most important when it comes to diag

i look @ etka everyday..i could post a part # for anything on the car

[;)]

Your right. Thats why I posted for help and have help coming.

F16HTON
02-12-2007, 05:08 PM
Blowby like that is usually the byproduct of a hole in your piston or piston rings in the oilpan.

Pull your sparkplugs and see if they are clean.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 11:31 PM
pull spark plus and # 2 was pretty dirty with oil. did a compression test and cylinder 3 was low but cylinder 2 was done. 0 compression. hold somewhere in #2. new engine time.

sean1.8t
02-12-2007, 11:34 PM
now that is a step in the right direction.. sorry to hear but it seems like this is what you wanted anyways.. do an ABA/AEB build

bOOOOstedAudi
02-12-2007, 11:45 PM
yeah sure at first it was but now i am hella sad. like i feel like something died, technically it did.

Don Supreme
02-13-2007, 04:42 AM
Well the really good news is at least the block is intact, usually we seem to throw rods. I guess thats the AEB bottom end at work!

Anyway, no compression huh............ I wonder...... Super HIGH heat from a lean condition (from tune)?

94jedi
02-13-2007, 07:19 AM
pull spark plus and # 2 was pretty dirty with oil. did a compression test and cylinder 3 was low but cylinder 2 was done. 0 compression. hold somewhere in #2. new engine time.


Where was the oil? On the threads or on the top of the plug (ground strap area)?

JMaxx93
02-13-2007, 08:04 AM
Almost four pages till a plug was pulled????

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 08:20 AM
Almost four pages till a plug was pulled????

funny you say that look at the date on when i posted it. i blew it Sunday morning pulled them Monday night. would say that is a resonable time considering i had to work. if you think i was going to get out there at 5 am and start working on my car your trippin.

94jedi
02-13-2007, 08:36 AM
funny you say that look at the date on when i posted it. i blew it sunday morning pulled them monday night. would say that is a resonble time considering i had to work
lol, I would say that's more than reasonable. I'd be in shock for at least a week.

mike-2ptzero
02-13-2007, 08:36 AM
Well the really good news is at least the block is intact, usually we seem to throw rods. I guess thats the AEB bottom end at work!

Anyway, no compression huh............ I wonder...... Super HIGH heat from a lean condition (from tune)?

What did you mean by "thats the AEB bottom end at work"? You do know he is ATW right?


No compression in a cylinder can point at many different things.

Hole in cylinder
Hole in the cylinder wall
Bad rings(but that usually doesn't cause it to go down to zero compression)
Dropped a valve(if all the valves dont seal the cylinder wont get pressure)
Blown head gasket which could cause all of that oil spray

Time for him to have someone do a Leak Down test to find exactly what went or take the head off.

Don Supreme
02-13-2007, 08:56 AM
Yeah and the ATW has the same bottom end internals as an AEB.

94jedi
02-13-2007, 09:00 AM
Yeah and the ATW has the same bottom end internals as an AEB.

right. as far as I know, ATW is the bastard/frankenstein engine - small port AWM head, AEB bottom end complete w/ 20mm wrist pins.

mike-2ptzero
02-13-2007, 09:13 AM
Yeah and the ATW has the same bottom end internals as an AEB.

Yeah that would be right, but the ATW and AEB just tells you want head it has while the block has its own part #. The block and internals were changed in 2001+ which IIRC uses a internal water pump.

SeanF
02-13-2007, 09:42 AM
funny you say that look at the date on when i posted it. i blew it Sunday morning pulled them Monday night. would say that is a resonable time considering i had to work. if you think i was going to get out there at 5 am and start working on my car your trippin.


while i realize thats a short time period, you did alot of other things before doing a compression test and checking the plugs... that, and finding your oil hole (because it sure as hell isnt a leak [:p]) should have been done first...

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 10:00 AM
Yeah! Well at this point I am very sad. I am debating what to do. This is extremely expensive no matter what way I go. I am actually thinking about parting out the whole car but, please do not call dibs on anything right now because I am really not in the mood. Anyone have any idea about what this can cost? Should I go ahead with a leak down test? What should my next course of action be?

SeanF
02-13-2007, 10:04 AM
can you say quattro?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 10:14 AM
That depends, If you can say,"funds are not provided" then we should be squared away.

mike-2ptzero
02-13-2007, 10:39 AM
Yeah! Well at this point I am very sad. I am debating what to do. This is extremely expensive no matter what way I go. I am actually thinking about parting out the whole car but, please do not call dibs on anything right now because I am really not in the mood. Anyone have any idea about what this can cost? Should I go ahead with a leak down test? What should my next course of action be?

I would do a leak down test to see where that cylinder is leaking and then go from there.

superman_006
02-13-2007, 10:47 AM
I would do a leak down test, you might luck out and come out with a just a head gasket only, and it looks like you can do it yourself, if thats all it is. If it is I would also run a solid head gasket if I was running that kinda boost, and still have the head checked. A head gasket seem the most logical to me is you havent found some gapping hole in the block (with all that oil)

If you have a air-compressor, you can take the valve out of the compression tester and just use the hose.... Hook the hose to the air pressure with the cam lobes up on that cyl#... you will find a leak real fast

94jedi
02-13-2007, 11:06 AM
I agree w/ the others; leakdown first. Then you can see what is salvagable. if it's just the head gasket, that might not be a "good" thing. The head surface might be warped. bottom line is you need to see how fubared your existing parts are to see what you need to replace/fix. At that point, you can decide where to go in terms of plans for the car. Until you know the exact cause and effect of the incident, we're all just guessing.

AB18
02-13-2007, 11:26 AM
Boosted. I have a aeb motor with only 10.5K mi on it. You may have to change some things around to work on your year, but this came out of my 99.5 that was totalled.I forget how all the years work with compatibilty. Its pretty much a brand new engine i can hook you up with it.


Hit me up on aim if you want some info.. rozbob1 8

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 11:40 AM
Thats may be something I need to look into. I never realized how much I love the car. I do think i am looking at a build.

ThirdStrike
02-13-2007, 11:51 AM
this is what 30 psi does to a 1.8T.. i hope boosted gets a new motor soon i need my parking place back.. HAHA j/k mang..
i hope you find a motor...

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 12:02 PM
this is what 30 psi does to a 1.8T.. i hope boosted gets a new motor soon i need my parking place back.. HAHA j/k mang..
i hope you find a motor...

You're not to damn funny right now.

ThirdStrike
02-13-2007, 12:09 PM
You're not to damn funny right now.
and ur too sensitive.. [rolleyes]

Rosati
02-13-2007, 12:38 PM
Sorry bro

and if you guys see from before, he didnt have a compression tester , which is why he couldnt do it right away....

Bent valves are my specialty BTW , if you need to pull your head, feel free to pm me as there isnt much info besides the bentley out there on pulling it

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 12:41 PM
Sorry bro

and if you guys see from before, he didnt have a compression tester , which is why he couldnt do it right away....

Bent valves are my specialty BTW , if you need to pull your head, feel free to pm me as there isnt much info besides the bentley out there on pulling it

Thanks man. I may be calling on you. Right now I am looking for a full replacement engine.[:(] [:(] [:(] [:(] [:(] [:(] [:(] [:(] [=(] [=(] [=(] [=(] [=(] [=(] [=(] [=(] [=(]

HighDesertAudi
02-13-2007, 01:08 PM
Just pull off the head its not that hard you just need the special Head Bolt tool.
http://i19.tinypic.com/2ebzwq0.jpg

Rosati
02-13-2007, 01:17 PM
^^ZDMak took 2 weeks to ship my tool

you can use mine if youd like , ill ship it out to ya today if needed.

But yeah it might make sense to get a whole engine, if you have the funds.....


again i feel your pain man, been there before w/ my Probe gt (klze)

HighDesertAudi
02-13-2007, 01:22 PM
ZDMaks a good seller but if you need it quick just get it from the Mac truck, it was around $60 for a set of them.

Eurotuned_A4
02-13-2007, 01:45 PM
sorry to hear man.

anyways, this is a perfect excuse to build your motor up. i would do it if i were you!

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 02:06 PM
Yeah that is what I'm looking into. I need a new motor first and build that one being its going to be out.

AB18
02-13-2007, 02:09 PM
Boosted, not sure if you saw my post. But i have a full aeb block.

dkeypunch1.8t
02-13-2007, 02:14 PM
while i realize thats a short time period, you did alot of other things before doing a compression test and checking the plugs... that, and finding your oil hole (because it sure as hell isnt a leak [:p]) should have been done first...

Wow.. This is what a guy gets for asking for help, huh?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 02:21 PM
Wow.. This is what a guy gets for asking for help, huh?

yeah i know right. thanks


Boosted, not sure if you saw my post. But i have a full aeb block.
hows that going to fit up in my situation. I have always heard AEB is the way to be.

SeanF
02-13-2007, 04:05 PM
you would at least need an aeb throttle body/cable and ecu...

dont take what i said as criticism, i think i would be in the same boat... its so easy to say what to do from an outside point of view, but when it happens to you, things are different...

mike-2ptzero
02-13-2007, 04:39 PM
yeah i know right. thanks


hows that going to fit up in my situation. I have always heard AEB is the way to be.


The AEB bottom end is the same as your ATW. If your ATW head is ok just mount it to the AEB bottom end.


If you use the AEB bottom end and head you can port out your ATW intake manifold, ony thing is you wont be able to use your secondary air pump.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 04:48 PM
I want as little work as possible. there are a few atw engines on ebay with inde 70,000 miles but the want A L O T

94jedi
02-13-2007, 05:27 PM
I want as little work as possible. there are a few atw engines on ebay with inde 70,000 miles but the want A L O T
it sounds like you're going to have to deal w/ shipping either way so if your block is trashed, the easiest thing to do is to buy AB18's bottom end and mount your head to it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it should be a simple swap. that would most likely be the cheapest way too.

Ross, pm me how much you want for the head and bottom end only (I'm already aeb). if bOOOOsted doesn't take it, I just might.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-13-2007, 07:26 PM
actually I will take it. as soon as i do a leak down to confirm what part is blown. but im thinking if i peace it together myself I will be sving money anyway so fuck it. I might as well start now.

TomRitt18944
02-14-2007, 07:22 AM
im not trying to be a d*ck

but you run the ish out of your car and dont know how any of the systems work and/or where they are located?

and then you try to do diag on it??

hahaha not to be a dick but I was actually thinking the exact same thing. And then i read the part where the op said "do u guys think its the turbo cause im on atp's site about to order a bigger one.

I don't wanna be a dick or anything but you seriously need to slow down, and figure out whats wrong before you go throwing parts at a car...if anyone knows it would be me who has ruined more stuff doing it that way than anyone else on here. Slow down, do some research, and goodluck!

bOOOOstedAudi
02-14-2007, 09:07 AM
tom your sigs not working, and i figured whats wrong. I guess I was hoping it was just the turbo but no suck luck. i was check for things I was hoping it would be first.
The last thing I wanted to do was check the compression because i was praying i would find something else first.

TomRitt18944
02-14-2007, 10:21 AM
Oh yea hahah i know the feeling there. It just pays to do it and get it over with, always saves money to do the diagnostic testing before any order...no matter how painful it may be!

Thanks! I'll try and fix my sig

Kievskiy
02-14-2007, 10:34 AM
just put 2.0T FSI in there.....
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seriously, i think that engine should be done first before any big turbo upgrade...bore, port, polish, pistons, rods and stuff like that before gaining big hp numbers.
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good luck and respect to your girlfriend!

maxspeed
02-14-2007, 11:11 AM
^ that engine is probably worth more than his car is (no offense)

bOOOOstedAudi
02-14-2007, 12:11 PM
that would be nice lol

turbo kraut
02-14-2007, 01:47 PM
yeah, i know this is a little off topic, but i had an s-10 with all externals done, intake, throttle body spacer, larger maf, blah blah blah, no s/c, started getting a cel, misfires like crazy, changed plugs/wires, numerous times,/and coil, nothing, took it to a few shops, nothing, finally traded the thing with a jacked up motor cause all i did was throw parts at it

got the audi, got a cell, took it to the shop right away, need a new maf and thrust sensor, put those on and it runs like gold

lesson learned, never throw parts at a car, cause you might dent it, take it somewhere and get it professionally diagnosed

bOOOOstedAudi
02-14-2007, 01:51 PM
Im not throwing parts at it at all. im going to have a leak down done to see exactly what the problem is. I was hoping it was the turbo so I was ready to buy a larger one. turns out my hope were empty handed. I am going about the whole thing the right way and doing my research. My girl as opted to build the engine with me ($) so the parts that need to be replace will be the best version I can get and the parts that are obvious/in the same area will be also. So far I have not put a penny into it. Amd do not plane to untill I have it propelly diagnosed

bOOOOstedAudi
02-14-2007, 03:26 PM
...but this would be nice lol
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-AUDI-1-8-TURBO-20V-NEW-ENGINE-LONG-BLOCK-L-K_W0QQitemZ280082770011QQihZ018QQcategoryZ33615QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

mike-2ptzero
02-14-2007, 03:57 PM
just put 2.0T FSI in there.....
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seriously, i think that engine should be done first before any big turbo upgrade...bore, port, polish, pistons, rods and stuff like that before gaining big hp numbers.
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good luck and respect to your girlfriend!



Wouldn't that be a down grade from the power he made with the 1.8t and elim combo?

mike-2ptzero
02-14-2007, 03:59 PM
...but this would be nice lol
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-AUDI-1-8-TURBO-20V-NEW-ENGINE-LONG-BLOCK-L-K_W0QQitemZ280082770011QQihZ018QQcategoryZ33615QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Too bad you dont have a 06A trans which is a transvers tranny setup.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-14-2007, 04:58 PM
Too bad you dont have a 06A trans which is a transvers tranny setup.
LOL YEAH DIDNT EVEN READ

bOOOOstedAudi
02-15-2007, 08:51 AM
ok I did some looking around and found an engine with under 30,000 mile on it. the guy wants about 2gs for the engine. my question is should I get that engine and just do a straight swap and deff get some new/better tuning or should I have my engine rebuilt with forged stuff. btw my engine has almost 170,000 miles on it so it was about time

Don Supreme
02-15-2007, 09:31 AM
170K!! holy smoke............

I think you got your moneys worth considering you run the piss out of that engine.

If it were me, I would build the motor....... Thats not even worth thinking about. If you want to race, then a stock engine can only take you so far.

Additonally, its not like you threw a rod so you still have a good block.

Eurotuned_A4
02-15-2007, 10:15 AM
build the engine!!

bOOOOstedAudi
02-15-2007, 10:34 AM
i was thinking maybe buy the 30k engine put it in and build my motor that i blew slowly. when i blow the new engine i will have one to put in. bad idea? im not a genius that why im asking your guys oppinion

Rosati
02-15-2007, 11:48 AM
Bro do what they said

Take the block from the guy on here and pop your head on it. It will cost you less in the long run and youll have fun doing it along the way, trust me

B18b1ex
02-15-2007, 08:17 PM
There are ATW engines around from 1500-2800, mileage from 23k to 123k, look around check shipping. Also you have to consider if you build the motor how long are you planning on keeping the car. Is it worth it? Good luck

bOOOOstedAudi
02-16-2007, 09:34 AM
There are ATW engines around from 1500-2800, mileage from 23k to 123k, look around check shipping. Also you have to consider if you build the motor how long are you planning on keeping the car. Is it worth it? Good luck
That is what I am thinking. I went ahead and got the engine with 20k on it for $1900 shipped. I know everyone is saying I should build the engine but the car is paid off now so i might as well do it. the engine will be here on Wednesday and be put in next Saturday/Sunday. I will be upgrading all obvious part and doing ALL samco hoses. Also I am going to do a different tune to preserve the engine.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-16-2007, 09:44 AM
Where is a good place to get the whole silicon hose kit

mike-2ptzero
02-16-2007, 09:46 AM
Did you figure out what went wrong?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-16-2007, 10:27 AM
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/boooostedaudi/100_0994.jpg
yeah thats the only thing worth saving. i guess i got the life outta it though. cant complain with 170,000 miles on it

Daft
02-16-2007, 10:35 AM
Did you figure out what went wrong?

Same thing I was thinking. All the info I've seen so far is no compression on cyl #2. If it were me, I wouldn't spend a dime until I knew what was actually damaged.

Why spend $2k on a long block if you don't have to?

AnthraciteA4
02-19-2007, 07:50 PM
Shokan.com they are cool guys. I recommend talking to them on the phone because they take a while to respond in email.
Eurospecsport.com has your whole forged internal setup and a BAD@SS 2.2L stroked longblock for the low low price of ~6K LOL.
I am in the neighborhood, so if you need a hand just gimme a call. We'll get you back on the road in no time.

ModifiedA4
02-20-2007, 07:37 AM
skip shokan. search.

mike-2ptzero
02-20-2007, 04:18 PM
Shokan.com they are cool guys. I recommend talking to them on the phone because they take a while to respond in email.
Eurospecsport.com has your whole forged internal setup and a BAD@SS 2.2L stroked longblock for the low low price of ~6K LOL.
I am in the neighborhood, so if you need a hand just gimme a call. We'll get you back on the road in no time.

100mm crank into 1.8t block, now that is funny.

maxspeed
02-20-2007, 06:53 PM
That is what I am thinking. I went ahead and got the engine with 20k on it for $1900 shipped. I know everyone is saying I should build the engine but the car is paid off now so i might as well do it. the engine will be here on Wednesday and be put in next Saturday/Sunday. I will be upgrading all obvious part and doing ALL samco hoses. Also I am going to do a different tune to preserve the engine.

are you concerned about oil starvation to the turbo?

bOOOOstedAudi
02-20-2007, 07:43 PM
are you concerned about oil starvation to the turbo?

what do you mean?

maxspeed
02-20-2007, 07:46 PM
well, you lost a shitload of oil when that thing popped, have you discerened have that damaged your current turbo in any way? i know bearings dont like to go without lube for too long... just curious

bOOOOstedAudi
02-20-2007, 07:51 PM
oh ok yeah i wasnt sure what you werte talking about. the turbo is fine. i took it aparts just to make sure and the car wasnt run but a mile maybe after the oil started leaving the system.

JMaxx93
02-22-2007, 06:21 AM
What happened to make it spew oil?!?!?!??!?!?! did i miss it somewhere? Sorry I'm just a bit weary from reading all six pages.

8E1POINT8
02-22-2007, 07:30 AM
Yeah I just wasted the time so I'll fill you in. He doesn't know.

I would part out and scrap, your gonna have so much money in this car when its said and done, and it is getting pretty old.

mike-2ptzero
02-22-2007, 08:25 AM
Yeah I just wasted the time so I'll fill you in. He doesn't know.

I would part out and scrap, your gonna have so much money in this car when its said and done, and it is getting pretty old.


But if he likes the B5 body he cant really get anything any newer then his 2000 other then the 2001. Just because a car is old doesn't mean it isn't worth holding onto.

bOOOOstedAudi
02-22-2007, 08:41 AM
But if he likes the B5 body he cant really get anything any newer then his 2000 other then the 2001. Just because a car is old doesn't mean it isn't worth holding onto.

exactly and being that the thread hasn't been updated what make him think i don't know anymore? I like the B5 body and if I wanted something different I would have parted it out and gotten something new. Common sense I would think