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speedydtp247
01-06-2007, 07:07 PM
here are a few pics that my buddy took today. enjoy!



















nothing special........
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......and now for the money shot!


















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AUD-A4
01-06-2007, 07:19 PM
not fair, i want a blower!!!! nice shots b/c they just made me very jealous.

speedydtp247
01-06-2007, 07:24 PM
not fair, i want a blower!!!! nice shots b/c they just made me very jealous.
thanks. have you looked in the classifieds yet? there is a g1 for sale there.

tanklee
01-06-2007, 07:25 PM
aww...isnt that so cute! =D very nice s/c

AUD-A4
01-06-2007, 07:26 PM
thanks. have you looked in the classifieds yet? there is a g1 for sale there.

really??? im gonna go check that out right now!!!! [:D]

sean1.8t
01-06-2007, 07:27 PM
sooooooooooooooo.....


which one's faster? what psi is each car running?

ExpLlclT
01-06-2007, 07:29 PM
sooooooooooooooo.....


which one's faster?


nice rep the 2.8 well

a4cefed
01-06-2007, 07:48 PM
nice twins

AudiBoy808
01-06-2007, 10:43 PM
I wish I could get one of those I would be so much happier. Maybe one day I will find one I can afford.

AudiSeefu
01-07-2007, 02:11 AM
that is cool that you and your buddy are both blown. want to do that to my 2.8 but funds do not allow for it yet. which one is faster?

b5v6
01-07-2007, 02:36 AM
intercooled G1 has more low end torque. Stock pulley vs stock pulley, G2 has higher peak hp. Further tuned, it would probably be safer to use a smaller pulley with an intercooled G1 than with a G2. However, there is a intercooled G1 that blew a chunk off a piston at 12 psi. He said the rings were sticking at the top of the piston as a result of higher boost levels. At 250 whp, the 2.8 may be boosted too high. May be best to stick to the PES suggested level and deal with the 220-230 whp that doesn't amount to the PES claim of 295 bhp.

speedydtp247
01-07-2007, 11:48 AM
sooooooooooooooo.....


which one's faster? what psi is each car running?

we didnt get a chance to run. we will sometime.

i'm running 6-7 psi and spike 8 but with the colder weather i'm running 7-8 psi and spike 9. my buddy is running 6-7 currently. we completed his s/c install last sat.

speedydtp247
01-07-2007, 11:51 AM
intercooled G1 has more low end torque. Stock pulley vs stock pulley, G2 has higher peak hp. Further tuned, it would probably be safer to use a smaller pulley with an intercooled G1 than with a G2. However, there is a intercooled G1 that blew a chunk off a piston at 12 psi. He said the rings were sticking at the top of the piston as a result of higher boost levels. At 250 whp, the 2.8 may be boosted too high. May be best to stick to the PES suggested level and deal with the 220-230 whp that doesn't amount to the PES claim of 295 bhp.
true.

be on the look out cause 4Rings is rebuilding his motor with forged internals and lowering the compression and custom installing a whipple s/c unit

audispeed
01-07-2007, 12:45 PM
intercooled G1 has more low end torque. Stock pulley vs stock pulley, G2 has higher peak hp. Further tuned, it would probably be safer to use a smaller pulley with an intercooled G1 than with a G2. However, there is a intercooled G1 that blew a chunk off a piston at 12 psi. He said the rings were sticking at the top of the piston as a result of higher boost levels. At 250 whp, the 2.8 may be boosted too high. May be best to stick to the PES suggested level and deal with the 220-230 whp that doesn't amount to the PES claim of 295 bhp.


i debate this. there have been several people with the g2 that were making 250 whp without problems. heck, i made 235 whp with my original stock setup on what i would consider a conservative dyno (based upon what other cars were putting out, including some stock ones). i think that the most important things is getting it tuned properly and that some people are simply upping the boost and neglecting fuel and timing considerations. that said, i wont be pushing my g2 past 12 psi or so, but i think more then 250 whp can be made there.

sean1.8t
01-07-2007, 05:56 PM
true.

be on the look out cause 4Rings is rebuilding his motor with forged internals and lowering the compression and custom installing a whipple s/c unit

sick!

my buddy got tired of his G2 so now he's building his motor with forged internals, yada yada yada, and throwing on a GT42r.. 2.8's can be sick cars. but they ain't no cheap project

b5v6
01-07-2007, 09:31 PM
i debate this. there have been several people with the g2 that were making 250 whp without problems. heck, i made 235 whp with my original stock setup on what i would consider a conservative dyno (based upon what other cars were putting out, including some stock ones). i think that the most important things is getting it tuned properly and that some people are simply upping the boost and neglecting fuel and timing considerations. that said, i wont be pushing my g2 past 12 psi or so, but i think more then 250 whp can be made there.

I debate this. your comments suggest you feel a g2 would immediately show problems as soon as the boost is increased. The scaudi member who experienced this problem is far more concerned with his fuel map and proper tuning than you will more than likely ever understand. His conclusion, and I will trust his words over your inexperienced comments, are the 2.8 piston rings are sticking at the top of the piston as a result of the boost. Naturally aspirated pistons have rings that can move very close to the top of the piston. As a result, the top of the piston can be very weak. His conclusion is from dismantling his engine. What is your conclusion from? Dynos? You do not know what is going on internally!

Jereme
01-08-2007, 07:26 AM
you guys need to racceee!! That would be an awesome video.

Rosati
01-08-2007, 08:18 AM
220 whp?

I gurarantee ill get that out of my K04 when i dyno it (here i come modiefied :)

But it still must be fun in the V6 i know it was on the mazda kl series (2.5L)

as always, good shit fellas :) and speedy paint those lowers man!

audispeed
01-08-2007, 09:17 AM
I debate this. your comments suggest you feel a g2 would immediately show problems as soon as the boost is increased. The scaudi member who experienced this problem is far more concerned with his fuel map and proper tuning than you will more than likely ever understand. His conclusion, and I will trust his words over your inexperienced comments, are the 2.8 piston rings are sticking at the top of the piston as a result of the boost. Naturally aspirated pistons have rings that can move very close to the top of the piston. As a result, the top of the piston can be very weak. His conclusion is from dismantling his engine. What is your conclusion from? Dynos? You do not know what is going on internally!


wow, i guess we are attacking eachother personally now [rolleyes] . where do my comments suggest i think there will be a problem by immediately increasing boost? really, enlighten me. i have met 4rings, watched the car on the dyno, and seen the A/F on the car. I am not attacking him personally or the tuning he is doing on the car. I think his car went from heat, not simply high boost pressure. Yes boost pressure increases heat, but there are steps that you can take to mitigate this. Quite frankly i wanted to make some informative comments, but it is not even worth it anymore. i dont feel like arguing.

DRA4
01-08-2007, 10:20 AM
Very nice cars, i have been looking for a G2 for my car forever.

speedydtp247
01-08-2007, 07:41 PM
you guys need to racceee!! That would be an awesome video.
we will

speedydtp247
01-08-2007, 07:43 PM
220 whp?

I gurarantee ill get that out of my K04 when i dyno it (here i come modiefied :)

But it still must be fun in the V6 i know it was on the mazda kl series (2.5L)

as always, good shit fellas :) and speedy paint those lowers man!
imho its more rewarding to get 220+ awhp outta a 2.8 then the 1.8t cause its alot easier to do so in a 1.8t

i'm STILL WAITING on my side skirts that i ordered in the GB back in oct

Euro
01-08-2007, 07:47 PM
"hustl 247" HAHA...


Nice to see that your both running s/c'd A4's... I wasnt expecting that at the beginning of the thread.

My buddy has a 2.8 he really needs to supercharge his.

b5v6
01-08-2007, 10:59 PM
wow, i guess we are attacking eachother personally now [rolleyes] . where do my comments suggest i think there will be a problem by immediately increasing boost?
I don't know how else you'd come to the conclusion others are making 250 whp without problems. It is more recent that the S/C Audis have reached into the 250 whp, thus there is not sufficient time to determine how reliable it is. In other words, it is too early for your conclusion that these cars are fine at 250whp.

I have met 4rings, watched the car on the dyno, and seen the A/F on the car. I am not attacking him personally or the tuning he is doing on the car. I think his car went from heat, not simply high boost pressure.
That is great, cause then you'll be prepared for my response. I bet his intake air temperatures are lower than yours.

Yes boost pressure increases heat, but there are steps that you can take to mitigate this.
Are you sure it is not the heat from the S/C is heating the air forced into the engine? [rolleyes] Temperature affects density my friend. And yes, an intercooler would mitigate this, something your G2 is not designed for, unlike 4rings setup.

Quite frankly i wanted to make some informative comments, but it is not even worth it anymore. i dont feel like arguing.
Glad we agree on something.

Poopie
01-08-2007, 11:11 PM
220whp? good luck! Maybe you'll give my caps time a run =). I wish there was a super aggressive k04 chip.

2.8 sc is awesome. both cars look great.

speedydtp247
01-09-2007, 03:56 AM
Are you sure it is not the heat from the S/C is heating the air forced into the engine? [rolleyes] Temperature affects density my friend. And yes, an intercooler would mitigate this, something your G2 is not designed for, unlike 4rings setup.

ummm....did you look at his sig?

speedydtp247
01-09-2007, 03:59 AM
220whp? good luck!
you have a lot to learn my friend! you might want to do research before you make a statement like that!

SeanF
01-09-2007, 04:49 AM
you have a lot to learn my friend! you might want to do research before you make a statement like that!

i may be wrong, but i think his comment was geared towards rosati, who is goin for 220awhp out of a k04 1.8T

b5v6
01-09-2007, 07:59 AM
ummm....did you look at his sig?

yea, but I think his "chemically cooled" comment is in regards to the engine being watercooled. I'm pretty sure his supercharger is not chemically cooled. Further, I don't think the M62 can be chemically cooled. Maybe a spacer between the superchargers intake manifold and the engine, but I'm confident enough to feel the hot coolant isn't going to cool intake temperatures more than an intercooler.

b5v6
01-09-2007, 08:02 AM
i may be wrong, but i think his comment was geared towards rosati, who is goin for 220awhp out of a k04 1.8T

I think speedy is suggesting modifieda4's dyno. However, his dyno from AWE Tuning yields 195whp, which I would conclude is more accurate than the 220whp dyno from another shop. However, I do not know if any changes were made between runs, or if there is a significant reason for the 25whp difference in results. Further, peak hp is one thing compared to the curve and powerband. modifieda4's cap numbers should improve with a full exhaust due to lowered spool times for the turbo.

audispeed
01-09-2007, 12:15 PM
chemically cooled: http://www.snowperformance.net/

speedydtp247
01-09-2007, 02:41 PM
i may be wrong, but i think his comment was geared towards rosati, who is goin for 220awhp out of a k04 1.8T
if so, i dont recall just upgrading to a k04 will get you into 220awhp

Rosati
01-09-2007, 03:02 PM
Yea speedy, Poopie was referring to my comment

Yeah i know modified ran on the mustang dyno that has a reputation for being generous

But you guys knows what i meant ;)

But i believe my engine is now in such good running order that , after the rebuild, hopefully i can put out more than a normal higher mileage engine can w/ the K04

b5v6
01-09-2007, 09:38 PM
chemically cooled: http://www.snowperformance.net/

know what it is, just haven't seen anyone on SCAudi with it.

SHARKBITEATTACK
01-09-2007, 10:34 PM
I'd be interesting to see a performance comparison between SC 2.8, BT 1.8 and chipped 2.7.

But Yeahh, those are some sweet sleepers

EuroA4
01-10-2007, 10:39 AM
Wow...haven't heard about PES in a while. What are they up to?

Nice SCs...but from what I remember there was a problem with carbon building up in the engine...and causing havoc.

sean1.8t
01-10-2007, 04:51 PM
I'd be interesting to see a performance comparison between SC 2.8, BT 1.8 and chipped 2.7.

But Yeahh, those are some sweet sleepers

depends on what turbo the BT A4 is running but anything like GT28RS and higher i would definately go with the BT A4..

chipped(and only chipped) S4 is faster than G2 2.8.. seen it myself

aaronsautowerks
01-16-2007, 11:13 PM
I just purchased a used G2 for under a $1000. Only catch is the blower is locked up. I sent it to a company in OK that is going to overhaul it so we'll see. I should be able to be into the kit for $2000 when it's done. I just purchased my 2.8 last month. I was originally going to get a 1.8 and KO4 it but I stumbled upon the supercharged V6 and it got my attention. Everyone has a 1.8t with a fmic (boring)[rolleyes] but how may blown Audi's are out there!?!?! Did I mention NO turbo lag and what about the sound of a uncorked V6 - music!

Sorry to hijack this thread.....

Jereme
01-17-2007, 06:23 AM
yeah its def gonna be a sweet setup man.

HellasA4
03-04-2007, 04:07 PM
has anyone thought of a centrifugal s/c setup? it would have to be custom right? Also, you said that one of these cars is INTERCOOLED? were you referring to the snow performance water/methanol injection or is there actually a front mount or side mount that would fit in our engine bays?>

docurley
03-04-2007, 04:14 PM
Ahhh memories

Mattgfx
03-04-2007, 04:20 PM
mm 2.8 power :)

ProOnThaSnow
03-04-2007, 04:29 PM
Shit, I'd take either setup. I keep telling myself I'm not gonna spend the money, but every time I see either setup, I want it that much more. Wheels gotta come first though.

coyote24mn
03-04-2007, 07:08 PM
I was originally going to get a 1.8 and KO4 it but I stumbled upon the supercharged V6 and it got my attention. Everyone has a 1.8t with a fmic (boring)[rolleyes] but how may blown Audi's are out there!?!?! Did I mention NO turbo lag and what about the sound of a uncorked V6

Same thing happened to me... there are so many turbocharged audi's that there's really nothing special unless they have the KO4.

I have a used kit on the way off a 2000 passat tip. i have a 98 a4 5 spd manual. Do i need to get the chip re-flashed for my transmission, or is it a seperate chip altogether? thanks in advance.

audispeed
03-04-2007, 08:12 PM
you can reflash for the tranny but 2000 is when the A4 went to DBW. PES will change your DBW chip to a DBC chip for $200 (last time i checked).

coyote24mn
03-04-2007, 08:19 PM
i believe he is sending me the non-DBW chip, i guess he had on from when he originally got the G2?

so if i have the non-DBW chip all i need to do is send it to PES to re-flash it for my manual tranny? Do they do this free? THANKS!

audispeed
03-05-2007, 05:09 PM
you should be able to re-code the chip for the manual tranny via vag-com. call PES if you have any questions. they are busy and may not answer the phone the first call, but they are very helpful.