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Aliel
11-13-2006, 12:13 AM
I never seen or heard about this manifold before. It has a T3 flange and a 35 or 38 mm external wastgate flange.

http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=127&phot_key=160

What do you guys think? It doesn't look like a bad piece and how would it compare to the ATP one.

http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/~treadstone/prod_imgs/img-127-0-large.jpg

onemoremile
11-13-2006, 06:42 AM
Looks like it puts the turbo in a better spot than the ATP. Looks like you'll have to get a custom HFC or test pipe made too.

Aliel
11-13-2006, 07:18 AM
I know and from the picture the piece looks really solid. I wish somebody tried it.

k0mpresd
11-13-2006, 07:19 AM
custom downpipe [up]

and depending on the type of turbo making an intake might be a biatch

Aliel
11-13-2006, 07:34 AM
I could either get the ATP Manifold/Downpipe Combo or get this manifold and like k0mpresed said have a custom downpipe made.

To be honest though I like the design of this manifold. It looks like it would flow more and better distributed air. Also the price is not bad.

01'A41.8T
11-13-2006, 09:33 AM
I have seen it on ebay before, looks to be ok. But looks can be deceiving.

Sal R.
11-13-2006, 10:18 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you might run into some clearance issues on subframe w/ the turbo mounted on the side like that.

Aliel
11-13-2006, 10:22 AM
The ATP one is mounted on the side also and people are using them for big turbo applications all the time. This one looks to push the turbo towards the front some more so like k0mpresed said the intake might end up being the problem.

Wizard-of-OD
11-13-2006, 10:31 AM
As much as I like "log style" cast manifolds,I cant help but remember when bobqzzi showed a 40+hp? gain by switching from an ATP cast unit to a full race free flow unit.

Personally I like this one better....but I am biased.
http://www.80tq.com/~wiz/gallery2/d/885-2/DSCN1077.JPG

Aliel
11-13-2006, 10:36 AM
I like that one better too, but I am thinking about manifolds on a budget. If I had the money I wouldn't even doubt going with an equal length.

k0mpresd
11-13-2006, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Wizard-of-OD
Personally I like this one better....but I am biased.
http://www.80tq.com/~wiz/gallery2/d/885-2/DSCN1077.JPG
biased...why is that? :p

onemoremile
11-13-2006, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Wizard-of-OD
As much as I like "log style" cast manifolds,I cant help but remember when bobqzzi showed a 40+hp? gain by switching from an ATP cast unit to a full race free flow unit.

Personally I like this one better....but I am biased.
http://www.80tq.com/~wiz/gallery2/d/885-2/DSCN1077.JPG

That's a pretty paperweight. When is it going to start earning it's keep?[:D]

Has Bob tested any other manifolds?

Aliel
11-13-2006, 11:37 AM
k0mpresed if I'm not mistaken you have the ATP one right? How do you like it and has it ever cracked on you?

k0mpresd
11-13-2006, 11:39 AM
it works fine...ive never used anything else so i have nothing to compare it to though either

the top nuts can be tough to tighten..ask anybody w/ an atp mani and theyll say the same thing

no..its never cracked..its cast..im not expecting it to crack

Aliel
11-13-2006, 11:41 AM
That's good news [:D] because I've heard B6 people complain about them cracking.

I think I'll go with the ATP and get their downpipe that works with the manifold so I save myself the hassle of having a custom downpipe made.

k0mpresd
11-13-2006, 11:42 AM
atp = hassle

youll find out soon enough

onemoremile
11-13-2006, 11:43 AM
The ATP manifold also puts the turbo too far forward for a proper intake path. Everybody that runs that manifold has a compromised intake path and fought like hell to get it that good.

Aliel
11-13-2006, 11:46 AM
I'll have to fight too then because I can only afford the ATP manifold. I would get the manifold that I posted about but I am a little sceptical about it since nobody really heard about them or tried them.

onemoremile
11-13-2006, 11:47 AM
Try to find a used APR manifold. That is the perfect manifold for a 28RS or 2871R.

k0mpresd
11-13-2006, 11:47 AM
understandable

lots of other ppl have dealt w/ atp's hassles...we just learned to live w/ it :p

Aliel
11-13-2006, 11:52 AM
I need a T3 flanged one, that is why I'm selling my brand new PES manifold wich is a T25 flanged like the APR one...

onemoremile
11-13-2006, 12:12 PM
Did you already buy the new turbo? The PES manifold sounds better than ATP.

Aliel
11-13-2006, 12:18 PM
I didn't buy my new turbo yet but I have my setup in mind. I already bought all the fueling components though and spoke to Chris Tapp about the software and decided that the T3 manifold is the way to go to get better air flow and more hp, especially since I'm going either GT3071r or GT3076r and I don't want to be limited to an internal wastegate which is another thing I don't like about the PES manifold.

pac1085
11-13-2006, 12:22 PM
That manifold would put the intake on my turbo half way through the headlight. The ATP one BARELY clears but it does clear. with a little bit of modding to the valve cover you can fit a pretty large turbo...

http://static.flickr.com/121/294630103_fb837a7fcc_o.jpg

And yes, it is almost impossible to get the nuts on on the ATP manifold!

I would upgrade to 10mm studs in the head while you're at it, my 8mm ones are starting to break since theres no brace for the turbo.

Aliel
11-13-2006, 12:29 PM
pac1085 thanks for the picture.

Do you have any pic of the intake setup of never put one on?

How about the downpipe is it custom?

Aliel
11-13-2006, 12:53 PM
The DV I am going to relocate it to the intake manifold side and also about the wastegate I'm thinking about running an open dump tube so I don't have to reroute it to the downpipe and do all that custom work.

Also I'm going to use a 90mm maf so for the intake it will be basically: 4" 90, another 4" 90, silicone reducer from 4" to 3.5" for the maf and just go with a 3.5" inlet K&N filter. It could be done. It's a b*tch but it could be done.

pac1085
11-13-2006, 01:02 PM
My downpipe was custom made by me because my turbo has an odd 2.5" V-Band on the turbine. The ATP downpipe wouldn't fit...if you're going with a Garrett turbo it'll fit. You will have to get the wastegate relocation kit as well, you can't just bolt it to the manifold it'll hit the motor mount bracket. ATP sells this as well...Here's a pic of GoldenRkt from AW's engine...I'm pretty sure hes using the ATP downpipe and wastegate adapter...

http://static.flickr.com/108/296693335_8a37da1e08_o.jpg

Intake is a nightmare!

k0mpresd
11-13-2006, 01:06 PM
thats an atp downpipe

custom wastegate set up

pac1085
11-13-2006, 01:08 PM
ATP sells those two pipes. I'm not 100% sure if the ones in the pic are the ATP ones. I'm assuming they are. I made my own,but ATP does sell them. (you can't get to them by browsing the website and there are no pictures) I've talked to them about em before.

Links:
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=SPCL-WG-ADPT-18T-LONG&Category_Code=BCS

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=SPCL-18T-DumpTube-Long&Category_Code=BCS

k0mpresd
11-13-2006, 01:10 PM
i never seen one of those from atp before for a long set up...guess i was wrong though

oh well...im using a wastegate adapter for a transverse set up

Aliel
11-13-2006, 01:31 PM
nice to know that ATP sells the adapter. I never saw that one either. thanks pac1085.

onemoremile
11-13-2006, 01:43 PM
You should be able to plumb the external wastegate's dump back into the downpipe. Otherwise it get dirty as hell and your car will sound like a rolling fart.

pac1085
11-13-2006, 01:47 PM
It does sound pretty bad, but only when it opens so I can live with it.

k0mpresd
11-13-2006, 02:02 PM
mine gets on my nerves sometimes...up next to a wall thats all you hear..the echo of the dump

Aliel
11-13-2006, 06:25 PM
hmmmmm isn't that going to be a lot of work to route it to the downpipe though?

Wizard-of-OD
11-15-2006, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Aliel
hmmmmm isn't that going to be a lot of work to route it to the downpipe though?
Gotta pay to play buddy...
If your not looking to invest the time & $$ to get anything other than a K03/K04 in your A4 then its not worth it.
The ATP manifold belongs on the Golf's/Jetta's...not the A4[;)]

To everyone who has sent me PM's about the 034 manifold.As usual with everything produced by 034,once it goes through its usual testing then a full kit (turbo bracing,feed and return lines,etc) will be presented to the public.

pac1085
11-15-2006, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Wizard-of-OD
As much as I like "log style" cast manifolds,I cant help but remember when bobqzzi showed a 40+hp? gain by switching from an ATP cast unit to a full race free flow unit.

Personally I like this one better....but I am biased.
http://www.80tq.com/~wiz/gallery2/d/885-2/DSCN1077.JPG

Is that the one 034 is developing? It looks like it would put the turbo through the hood though

Aliel
11-15-2006, 11:29 AM
I remember that was some guy who was making equal length manifolds for Audis on car domain. I can't seem to find his info though.

Wizard in what price range is the manifold expected to be in?

onemoremile
11-15-2006, 12:18 PM
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/280589/4

onemoremile
11-15-2006, 12:30 PM
This is how an external wastegate is plumbed correctly.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_151_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_209_full.jpg


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_255_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_251_full.jpg


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_295_full.jpg

Aliel
11-15-2006, 12:50 PM
Thanks alot onemoremile.

I just emailed him and I am waiting on his response on the pricing and other information.

mike-2ptzero
11-15-2006, 02:09 PM
Only problem is that the welds on the dump tend to let go over time even with a flex section between the exhaust and the WG.

marcini
11-15-2006, 02:47 PM
mike, are you dumping to the atmosphere or back to the downpipe?

Wizard-of-OD
11-15-2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by pac1085
Is that the one 034 is developing? It looks like it would put the turbo through the hood though
Think about that logically...
who would develop a manifold that puts the turbocharger through the hood?
Yes thats a prototype piece from 034.You will have to contact Javad for a price.
If you want I can organise an introductory group buy...who is in?

Aliel
11-15-2006, 03:21 PM
I would be interested in the group buy depending on the price and downpipe availability with it.

marcini
11-15-2006, 03:36 PM
i might be inetersted, and one other guy from this forum

mike-2ptzero
11-15-2006, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by marcini
mike, are you dumping to the atmosphere or back to the downpipe?


Atmosphere, the dump tube ends just above the down pipe and pointing just behind the front right axle.

marcini
11-15-2006, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
Atmosphere, the dump tube ends just above the down pipe and pointing just behind the front right axle.


does it get really loud at 30psi?

mike-2ptzero
11-15-2006, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by marcini
does it get really loud at 30psi?

Actually it is louder at lower boost since there is more exhaust flowing thru the WG and less exhaust at higher boost levels.

marcini
11-15-2006, 04:14 PM
true that makes sense

k0mpresd
11-15-2006, 04:16 PM
mine gets loud [eek]

mike-2ptzero
11-15-2006, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by k0mpresd
mine gets loud [eek]


Turn the boost up then[;)]

k0mpresd
11-15-2006, 04:23 PM
very good response [cool] [:D]

xr4tic
11-17-2006, 01:32 PM
My ATP manifold cracked, BUT, I had also port matched it to the gasket, and had to remove a bit of material, and it cracked close to the wastegate area. A friend of my dad's was able to fix it for free :)

As it came from ATP, the exhaust port would have been slightly covered up, and we can't have that, can we?

Also, the ports are all tied together, they are not cut like the factory, so the individual runners can't expand/contract like they should. When I pulled my manifold off, I had to have it machined flat again. It wasn' way off, but I didn't want to have to pull it off again later (those nuts are a #@$^& pain)

the ATP manifold does put the turbo closer to the headlight than I prefer. For me, at the time, it was pretty much the only option, and the price was decent. I have no doubt there is more power in an equal length tubular manifold though. If/when I get my tuning sorted out, I'll be upgrading to tubular.

Wizard-of-OD
02-01-2007, 10:10 PM
Hey guys,sorry for the late replies to the pm's/emails.
If you want to get a group buy organised your going to have to come to the motorgeek forums and request for it as I am not allowed to organise GB's on AZ.Dont want to be breaking forum rules.