Dear Justincredible...

[dextrek]

I know this is not a recent news, but after reading your chip comparison thread, I noticed that you ended up getting the JHM chip (which by the way wasn't on the comparison). On the thread, you gave APR your vote but you decided to go with JHM. What was your reasoning behind this? Did you actually do some testing on JHM chip or was is because the fastest V8 S4 has the JHM chip? Why the sudden change?

BTW, I am personally debating between APR and JHM chip myself and your input will be appreciated.

[Lugi20]

I'm not sure the JHM chip was available for testing at the time he made that review. I'm sure he'll chime in here.

[schmally]

I have no clue whats going on..... Hmmmmmmm :( disregard lol

[brownishwater]

Couldnt you just PM him?

[DuncanC]

I'm glad he didn't PM him. I'm sure Justincredible didn't just randomly decide that JHM are nice guys so he'll run their chip...

[dextrek]

Couldnt you just PM him?

Yes I could have. But I would like to clarify his choice to other S4 owners that have the same question as I do...thus the forum.

[ABT B7]

I'm glad he didn't PM him. I'm sure Justincredible didn't just randomly decide that JHM are nice guys so he'll run their chip...

+1

[sway]

Do u have a 6 speed? If anyone would chime in, I can swap chips with u. I have the ap
r and am going to get the jhm.

[EYE4SPEED]

When you swap chips, don't you have to reprogram the security system at the dealer or through VAG?

Also, just to clarify, are cars are flashed right? Or we just old schoolers referring to the days we actually soldered in a new chip?

[Justincredible]

Happy to answer.

I was looking for a very long time the chip for me. All the testing was done over several months. Every time I would log or look at someones car I would get feed back from people then I would share that feed back and the info I got from the people in the past. Several people were like."my chip dose what?" and then you could show them. Most people were wondering why there cars were no better then stock.

It was more about educating people about what the current chips do or don't do. Then to point people towards what I had

I figured I didn't want to do a thread about the JHM chip cause when its a good enough product,all the people that have switched or have gotten the chip will post there review and performance. There is no need for me to say much about something that works other then to say my chip works for me and addresses the issues of old. It was more about educating the people of what was out there then to promote something I thought was a great product.

So it was about education then promotion.

So why did I get a JHM chip. This is kinda LONG so I may need to post a continue to this as I have to go to work. But long story short, We don't just buy products from a company we kinda buy part of that company and if that company doesn't have a good rep or isn't customer focused there not getting my money. I saw this in the B5 crowd company with big claims and they were just there scamming the people with slick B.S. and FAKE (proven FAKE) Dyno info. In the B5 crowd there were several flyby night products that took your money and that was all they did. Then there are thoes company's that were TOO big for the customer and were just happy to take your money but not your call..

As for the chip and me getting turned on to JHM. I had a A6 with a TIP chip in it and was looking for more. Apposed to build up the A6 I gave it to my brother in law (cause he lost his job and needed a car for his family) and said Ill get this S4 its much faster then the A6...well I was in Mi for work and I was at the track with some friends. There was Dan from JHM and some VAST guys there with the audi A6 they built. A6's are about a 15 sec car in the 1/4 mile. After some talking I was so sure that My stock S4 would destroy the modified A6. Well that didn't happen... The A6 was a full second and 10 MPH faster in the 1/4 mile. I said dam if you can do that to the A6 what can you do to the S4...the JHM/VAST guys looked at me and said "well we can do the same thing, 10mph and 1 sec but you have to listen and do what we tell you" they told me I was just kicking rocks up listing to all the bad info on the net. I said ya right you can't get 10 mph and 1 sec out of my car with a chip and small SUPPORTING MODS. They said come back when you have a real exhaust

From there I started doing the Dp's on my car and I kept in touch with JHM/VAST crew. They said you need to do your Dp's this way and I said that's great you think that way but IM GOING TO TEST them (just like I did the chips)

//////// ok im running out of time here so I have to skip over some details ////// Bottom line I did the exhaust testing and the Dp testing to find the REAL results and why. They all lined up with what the JHM/VAST guys said. I was invited back to the track we last ran at. I ran my car stock with the supporting mods and it was a little faster. Then I got the JHM chip and ran the car again......As a side note the same day there was another JHM car there with the same mods as me. He ran down the 1/4 mile as well. But he did better then me. So that shows Constancy. Any way my car went down the 1/4 mile http://videos.streetfire.net/video/B...-M3_203342.htm ......... or about a sec faster and 10mph more

So that is it in kinda a nut shell Sorry I didn't get to go into details. Feel free to ask ALL they questions you want. Im walking out the door now and I know didn't get to cover all the info and explain everything indetial to have it make sence

If you listen to the others that know you will go almost as fast and or do as well as them. But if you listen to just your self and those that THINK they know it all you will only do as well as you THINK...thinking doesn't get cars anywhere and your only going to get as far as yourself can take you.

[...Mark...]

When you have time go back and fill in the blanks please. I want to hear about the exhaust and supporting mods.

[dextrek]

Thanks for the long story behind your decision. Seems like JHM's product stand behind their claims. I guess that's a good reason to choose them. However, the quarter mile results shows that the other brands are up to par as well. So I guess what I trying to say is what was the deciding factor of your choice? (I personally like the APR's program switching with cruise control)

Also questions about JHM chip.
1. Is it a chip or a flash to install the program?
2. Do they only make 93 oct mode or 91 as well (for Westcoast people)?
3. What is the new redline?
4. Can you do some comparison testing on JHM chip like you did on the other ones? (honesty test, timing test, A/F ratio, and Rev limit...etc)

[jfunkey]

However, the quarter mile results shows that the other brands are up to par as well. )

I would have to say. Not really. JHM seems to be the most consistant there is for this. APR has one representive that did good but nothing since then and that is only one car GIAC seems to be slower than stock in most cases.

I know we don't have a slew of chip #'s in the 1/4 mile list but. The JHM ones are the ONLY non SC #'s that are good MPH #'s

Thanks justin. Its cool that you put the info over the product that you have. That is deffinitely a stand up thing for sure. Good honist info that is what we need here

Do u have a 6 speed? If anyone would chime in, I can swap chips with u. I have the ap
r and am going to get the jhm.

Sway great Idea. but you have a Immob system in the car and APR programs the chip to that ECU and IMMOB system. They do that so you can't do what you are looking to do. Once you APR chip that ECU that ECU is only good for your car. You can chip over the APR file but you can't sell the ecu

[mad70sx]

you have a Immob system in the car and APR programs the chip to that ECU and IMMOB system. They do that so you can't do what you are looking to do. Once you APR chip that ECU that ECU is only good for your car. You can chip over the APR file but you can't sell the ecu

Interesting! That's good info.

So,if I were to pull an ECU out of a junker to send out to have flashed(my car is a DD,can't have much down time) it wouldn't work on my car once I got it back?

[Tek4ever]

I had the GIAC flash twice and I was never really happy with the performance. Bought the JHM tune (it is an actual chip replaced/added on the ECU) and it's awesome...more power through the whole RRM range.

If you can find another person in Chicago w/ the APR flash and willing to make the drive down here, I'm willing to install my ECU on your car so you can compare it to an APR flash or stock. I'm assuming we can do that w/o affecting anything??? All I ask is to follow JHM's ECU removal video so you can put notches into the bolts that hold the ECU in...this way it'll be easy to remove your current one.

[sway]

I wasn't trying to sell the APR (it was a flash), I wanted to trade him ecu for ecu for free. I didn't want the flash to go to waste (it was 400 bones). I would have sent him my ecu, and had him send his ecu to jhm, and have jay send it my way afterwards. That sucks you can't swap em' though.

[EYE4SPEED]

I had the GIAC flash twice and I was never really happy with the performance. Bought the JHM tune (it is an actual chip replaced/added on the ECU) and it's awesome...more power through the whole RRM range.

If you can find another person in Chicago w/ the APR flash and willing to make the drive down here, I'm willing to install my ECU on your car so you can compare it to an APR flash or stock. I'm assuming we can do that w/o affecting anything??? All I ask is to follow JHM's ECU removal video so you can put notches into the bolts that hold the ECU in...this way it'll be easy to remove your current one.

So the JHM tune is a chip that is installed on the factory ECU / it is not a flash? That was news to me - the APR and GIAC are just flash. What about Unitronics and REVO and the others? Why solder/install versus flash?

I was planning on going to see Prince in Ferndale for piggies and JHM/Vast tune. Did you get the 93 octane program or is it a 91 octane program?

I wish they didn't need my car for a few days to get it done - I want to reuse my own dp's.

[Tek4ever]

I'm pretty sure has different tunes for 91, 92, or 93. He did ask me if I used 93 octance before sending back the ECU.

[jfunkey]

I know with a flash it ups the counter in your ECU. That is bad to some.

I like the old chip style cause they can just send you a chip in the mail for you to install as aposed to a new or nother flash.

I thought Justin said he had a flash?

[cabracco85]

So the JHM tune is a chip that is installed on the factory ECU / it is not a flash? That was news to me - the APR and GIAC are just flash. What about Unitronics and REVO and the others? Why solder/install versus flash?

I was planning on going to see Prince in Ferndale for piggies and JHM/Vast tune. Did you get the 93 octane program or is it a 91 octane program?

I wish they didn't need my car for a few days to get it done - I want to reuse my own dp's.

They use your DPs to make them into piggie pipes. I think they can flash the ecu if you are local. But i am not sure 100% on this. We would have to wait for either j or another person from the jhm crew to verify this. Or if the people from vast can confirm it too. Well with their tune.

[Tek4ever]

They use your DPs to make them into piggie pipes. I think they can flash the ecu if you are local. But i am not sure 100% on this. We would have to wait for either j or another person from the jhm crew to verify this. Or if the people from vast can confirm it too. Well with their tune.

Didn't know that...thought my answer was accurate. Sorry if it wasn't - hopefully J can chime in soon.

[FarmerBob]

Jay will have to chime in b/c I haven't talked with him for a while, and I know he's always busy with new products coming out for the B6 S4. My car was a JHM chip and not flash. I believe he's working on flash technology, but haven't seen a release yet so for now, probably just chip.

Other questions:

Also questions about JHM chip.
1. Is it a chip or a flash to install the program?
2. Do they only make 93 oct mode or 91 as well (for Westcoast people)?
3. What is the new redline?
4. Can you do some comparison testing on JHM chip like you did on the other ones? (honesty test, timing test, A/F ratio, and Rev limit...etc)

1. Chip
2. I think they have a 93 octane tune for the guys outside of CA.
3. he can reset the redline, but I think Jay discovered that optimum shift points for our 6 spds is right about 6K and no need to shift much higher than that b/c not much more power being created - at least for a quick 1/4 mile time;
4. Have to ask Justin about that.

I can say that when I picked up my 2005 S4 from Jay, after chip/dps/rotors, it felt like a different car altogether. I did a review here several months ago when I got it back from him.

[Justincredible]

First guys always feel free to ask me. As for the PM. Na just feel free to ask. I do all these dam write ups and stuff to help those that might be able but just don't have the time. So I'm happy to share. I have been reading on the net for years to get info on company's and parts LONG before I got an audi. So I feel its my time to give back

Also questions about JHM chip.
1. Is it a chip or a flash to install the program?
2. Do they only make 93 oct mode or 91 as well (for Westcoast people)?
3. What is the new redline?
4. Can you do some comparison testing on JHM chip like you did on the other ones? (honesty test, timing test, A/F ratio, and Rev limit...etc)

1 you can get both. I have a flash. But I'm close to Vast when I work in Mi so if I ever need an update I can go there. Most people get a chip. This way they are not stuck and you can be send updates when you change something or upgrade and a chip revision is needed.

2 They make 91 and 93 and 93+ from what I understand 93+ is if you are in a NON emissions area (emissions areas always have additives to the fuel that cause low anti knock)
This is the best part for me. Cause you don't just get a chip and that's the end of it. They will look at your logs and if you can be SAFELY given more power they will give it to you and make adjustments. But my 93+ is about as good as its going to get. So you don't just get a chip and the cold shoulder.

3 the red line is from what I understand autos its up to 7000 in S mode only and in 6 speeds you would have to ask Jay. In the end the car makes no more power after 7200 so I would think its no more then 7500 just to say they bumped it for the sake of bumping it.

4. The honesty test is dead on. Its actually different then stock. the JHM actually gives you after 1800rpm (for take off I would assume, stock is the same way) its right on 25 percent is 25 percent. It actually seems more accurate then stock. It opens the throttle the same distance as your pedal is pressed

Timing I have 0 correction on the 94 oct gas here in Mi. Back in Chicago I see about 4-7. I actually like that cause when I have in good gas you can tell and when I don't have in good gas the car is safe

The A/F ratio is like some one drew it with a ruler after 3500 RPM its dead on holding strong from bang to bullets.

But PLEASE REMEMBER the best chip for your car is a set of Dp's with no PRE cat with a quality cat back going no smaller then 2.5. Some exhausts go to 2.25...this is not good.

dextrek,

What I have found is that MOST performance company out there make there money making claims and using there dyno to try and convince you to get there part. From what I have found. ALMOST NONE of them is honest. Lets take a quick look

We then waited for the dyno room to cool off. The dyno room has an A/C unit and a venting system to pull exhaust gases out. We vented it for a while, then cooled the room back down and dynoed again.

What do you think I did to achieve the "magical" numbers?

MMMMM I wonder how they got the magical #'s hell let me take a stock car and use a A/C unit to control the temps in the dyno room I can get 10hp with just the temps in the room. Sure that's stand up NON bias info.

Then on the other end of the spectrum there was the APR Autospeed "dyno" this is ONE more sham that keeps this chip thing from having any honest ground. the totally typical B5 tricks of the Autospeed company that has been shamming people for years tried to say they dynoed a APR car that made NO more power then stock.They have been doing this to ANY company that was not them on there dyno. Same tricks new audience. This is why I don't believe in the dyno for a source of info.

Depending on what your looking to do. All the chips are good. I'm WAY more performance minded so the JHM option was (after being proven) they way for me to go. I like the support and the fact that they are committed to the platform. I still stand by what I said in the chip write up. APR is a great chip but for me the JHM chip is just WAY better and suited better to my needs

[dextrek]

Whoa, I just read this thread...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289982
This sorta throws my opinion about APR out the window.

Thanks for the input, Justin. I'll give a JHM a call. BTW, does Vast have JHM chips? because I don't live too far from Vast. and do you live in Michigan? If you do, we should definitly meet up.

[Justincredible]

Whoa, I just read this thread...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289982
This sorta throws my opinion about APR out the window.

I would completely discredit ANY thing that comes out of that shop as complete B.S.. This is actually one of the things I'm talking about. That shop is notorious from pulling stuff like this. Only trying to bash and skew the results of anyone else tune to try and sell there tune as a result. This is a scam they have been pulling for years. People here need to know more about them. But watch over time. They will con him into doing work and he will end up with some unbelievable dyno #. Only to find out later that his car has less power then it did when he had just the APR CHIP LOL watch its coming.

[Mr. Corey]

APR has a 6 hour trail version of their flash, I tried it out last year at H20. If anyone's considering the APR flash they should look into the 6 hr trail. I couldn't tell a difference, but i wasn't at the drag stripe either.